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(Talking Points Memo)   The new GOP talking point on the improving economy: "It's because of what Republican governors are doing in their states." So, economy up -- GOP governors. Economy down -- President's fault. Got it?   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 142
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2012-02-05 10:42:58 AM
these guys are hilarious. in a sane world, this would merit derision. in today's media landscape (i.e. the "balance" paradigm), this talking point will be repeated unchallenged for an entire news cycle.
 
2012-02-05 11:08:19 AM
Neither of them had anything to do with it. It was the "Job Creators". Got that?
 
2012-02-05 11:09:00 AM
To be fair, with a Congress that isn't exactly doing much, they can't bring those accomplishments to the table...
 
2012-02-05 11:11:53 AM
So, what's the reason the unemployment rate is dropping in states with Democratic governors?
 
2012-02-05 11:18:44 AM
Those governors are using those sweet sweet federal monies to get their states back up and running
 
2012-02-05 11:19:51 AM

GAT_00: So, what's the reason the unemployment rate is dropping in states with Democratic governors?


I'm not saying it was aliens...BUT IT WAS ALIENS
 
2012-02-05 11:22:24 AM
All they have is, "I'm not the Socialist Black Guy."

That's it.

I hope Newt stays in there until June/July, continues to bombast and position until the whole GOP electorate flames out in public disgust. Totally awesome.
 
2012-02-05 12:41:51 PM
Obviously more tax cuts are in order
 
2012-02-05 12:45:22 PM
The stench of terror coming off most of the GOP these days is just, well, sad. I would love to see a loyal opposition floating actual ideas and making a compelling case for their side. But all we get is the LCD. Every time.
 
2012-02-05 01:14:00 PM
State Unemployment take from http://www.bls.gov/lau/ and color coded by Gov (note RI is gray since their Gov is an independent)

i.imm.io
 
2012-02-05 01:30:21 PM

zedster: State Unemployment take from http://www.bls.gov/lau/ and color coded by Gov (note RI is gray since their Gov is an independent)

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I think an interesting preliminary analysis would be to look at each state's population as well, then to look at an overall average for states with democratic governors and states with republican governors.
 
2012-02-05 01:38:23 PM

zedster: State Unemployment take from http://www.bls.gov/lau/ and color coded by Gov (note RI is gray since their Gov is an independent)

[i.imm.io image 640x820]


I'd love for someone to try to find ANY pattern in that.
 
2012-02-05 01:42:32 PM

GAT_00: zedster: State Unemployment take from http://www.bls.gov/lau/ and color coded by Gov (note RI is gray since their Gov is an independent)

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I'd love for someone to try to find ANY pattern in that.


the numbers go from smallest to biggest, duh
 
2012-02-05 01:44:04 PM

GAT_00: So, what's the reason the unemployment rate is dropping in states with Democratic governors?


Reaganomics
 
2012-02-05 01:47:56 PM

Rain-Monkey: All they have is, "I'm not the Socialist Black Guy."

That's it.

I hope Newt stays in there until June/July, continues to bombast and position until the whole GOP electorate flames out in public disgust. Totally awesome.


Newt said he plans to take his campaign all the way to the RNC, which is in late August.
 
2012-02-05 01:53:29 PM

zedster: State Unemployment taken from http://www.bls.gov/lau/ and color coded by Gov (note RI is gray since their Gov is an independent)



FTFM
 
2012-02-05 01:54:25 PM

dustman81:
Newt said he plans to take his campaign all the way to the RNC, which is in late August.



Newt also said "until death do us part."
 
2012-02-05 01:55:27 PM

CapnBlues: I think an interesting preliminary analysis would be to look at each state's population as well, then to look at an overall average for states with democratic governors and states with republican governors.


well that and look at long term unemployment, change in average income and average wages of jobs lost vs jobs created. If the jobs lost made $20 and they are getting replaced with $8 jobs then the unemployment number would be hiding that fact.
 
2012-02-05 01:58:29 PM

FloydA: dustman81:
Newt said he plans to take his campaign all the way to the RNC, which is in late August.


Newt also said "until death do us part."


3 times

/so far
 
2012-02-05 02:05:39 PM
GOP math 101:
Republican Prez in charge + ^job #s + ^stocks = Republican Prez gets credit
Democrat Prez in charge + ^job #s + ^stocks = Republican Govs get credit
 
2012-02-05 02:06:05 PM

zedster: State Unemployment take from http://www.bls.gov/lau/ and color coded by Gov (note RI is gray since their Gov is an independent)

[i.imm.io image 640x820]


Why not just give us the Red & Blue average? Please.
 
2012-02-05 02:07:10 PM
Personally, I think we are seeing the Bush recovery that Obama can't hold back any longer.
 
2012-02-05 02:14:02 PM

zedster: CapnBlues: I think an interesting preliminary analysis would be to look at each state's population as well, then to look at an overall average for states with democratic governors and states with republican governors.

well that and look at long term unemployment, change in average income and average wages of jobs lost vs jobs created. If the jobs lost made $20 and they are getting replaced with $8 jobs then the unemployment number would be hiding that fact.


yeah. it's almost as if extremely simplistic analyses of economic ramifications of political power are potentially misleading. :)
 
2012-02-05 02:20:20 PM

hubiestubert: To be fair, with a Congress that isn't exactly doing much, they can't bring those accomplishments to the table...


They've done plenty. They've been obstructionist assholes in order to torpedo the economy just to spite Obama.
 
2012-02-05 02:20:27 PM
This from the group of people who don't even want to give Obama recognition as a citizen.

/Remember killing Osama was an American Victory, Obama had noting to do with it as the commander of our armed forces.

/Oh here's another juicy one going back to the Bush years. "We don't talk bad about the president. It would be unpatriotic. He's the elected official for our whole country."
 
2012-02-05 02:25:45 PM

zedster: i.imm.io


The graph is pretty misleading. I think it would be more interesting if low employment (suggesting "hot job creation") was signified by brighter shades of red and, as unemployment increases in the chart (suggesting "stagnant job creation"), is marked by deeper and cooler shades of blue. That would be more helpful in painting a true picture.
 
2012-02-05 02:33:39 PM

Makh: /Oh here's another juicy one going back to the Bush years. "We don't talk bad about the president. It would be unpatriotic. He's the elected official for our whole country."


"Criticizing the President during wartime is treason!" they once bleated.
 
2012-02-05 02:38:40 PM
My favorite: "the economy is improving precisely because of the Tea Party's presence in Congress."
 
2012-02-05 02:49:11 PM
The economy is improving despite the best efforts of the Republicans an all levels.
 
2012-02-05 02:58:10 PM

Mugato: hubiestubert: To be fair, with a Congress that isn't exactly doing much, they can't bring those accomplishments to the table...

They've done plenty. They've been obstructionist assholes in order to torpedo the economy just to spite Obama.


And they can't even manage to do that right.
 
2012-02-05 02:59:14 PM

CapnBlues: zedster: CapnBlues: I think an interesting preliminary analysis would be to look at each state's population as well, then to look at an overall average for states with democratic governors and states with republican governors.

well that and look at long term unemployment, change in average income and average wages of jobs lost vs jobs created. If the jobs lost made $20 and they are getting replaced with $8 jobs then the unemployment number would be hiding that fact.

yeah. it's almost as if extremely simplistic analyses of economic ramifications of political power are potentially misleading. :)


i2.listal.com
MIND BLOWN
 
2012-02-05 03:19:42 PM
"We are living in the Obama economy." - Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
 
2012-02-05 03:48:36 PM

zedster: CapnBlues: zedster: CapnBlues: I think an interesting preliminary analysis would be to look at each state's population as well, then to look at an overall average for states with democratic governors and states with republican governors.

well that and look at long term unemployment, change in average income and average wages of jobs lost vs jobs created. If the jobs lost made $20 and they are getting replaced with $8 jobs then the unemployment number would be hiding that fact.

yeah. it's almost as if extremely simplistic analyses of economic ramifications of political power are potentially misleading. :)

[i2.listal.com image 640x422]
MIND BLOWN


sorry. i hope you can pull yourself together. ;) Thanks for the table, by the way! That's actually a very helpful infographic.
 
2012-02-05 04:02:54 PM
well that is interesting. if i recall correctly, mitt romney was a republican governor. i bet he could bring those same job creating strategies to the white house. maybe obama should try being a republican governor before running for president again.
 
2012-02-05 04:06:53 PM
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I thought it'd be interesting to see the change in employment numbers between 2009 and 2011 for each state, colored by governor party. Yeah, I don't see a correlation.

Sorry it's in two halves, but I was too lazy to deal with resizing and worrying about it being legible.
 
2012-02-05 04:08:57 PM
oh, and Source (new window)
 
2012-02-05 04:09:39 PM
The only thing these idiots have done is polarize the populations of their states against all the extreme right wing shiat they've been pulling. Scott in Florida, Walker in Wisconsin, Kasich and that mummy in Arizona.

Yep. really good job.
 
2012-02-05 04:10:22 PM
So, economy up -- GOP governors. Economy down -- President's fault. Got it?

Don't worry if it doesn't make sense the first time, you'll be hearing it 10,000 more.
 
2012-02-05 04:10:42 PM
This is like saying the Scott Walker recall is a job creator.
 
2012-02-05 04:10:54 PM

GAT_00: So, what's the reason the unemployment rate is dropping in states with Democratic governors?


People are leaving Democratic states to go and live in a Republican utopia.
 
2012-02-05 04:11:26 PM
"I even saw, I'm not sure where because I was hustling here this morning, there's some news agency that reported that Obama is not facing a sinking economy. He's not facing a sinking economy. That's exactly right. He's causing it! He is causing the sinking economy. "

-Rush Limbaugh, before Obama even took office.
 
2012-02-05 04:13:32 PM
I have been waiting for the sound bite from some Republican that the economy is improving because people/businesses are excited about Obama getting voted out of office. Not because of anything the president might have done, but because the GOP is going to win the election in November.
 
2012-02-05 04:26:21 PM

Slives: I have been waiting for the sound bite from some Republican that the economy is improving because people/businesses are excited about Obama getting voted out of office. Not because of anything the president might have done, but because the GOP is going to win the election in November.


Can't wait to hear that come out of their mouths. It's the flipside to "the economy started becoming shiatty before Obama officially entered office because job creators were unexcited about Obama becoming president."
 
2012-02-05 04:26:46 PM
This is the sort of claim that can be disproven by a quick Google search. If Republican Governors are responsible for the economic recovery, Republican governed states will be over-represented in the recovering states list (or on a map of the economic recovery based on the data).

It ain't necessarily so.

Of course, the question is more complex than that, seeing as the recession, housing market collapse and financial sector problems hit Blue states harder in the first place, since most of the Red states are rural and low-population economic backwaters supported by Blue state tax dollars, but hey, you would be hard put to find any evidence that State Governors have any real effect on the economy of their states, let alone the country or the world.

Even Obama didn't cause the housing market problem (that was Bush, Clinton and Congress, plus Greenslade, Wall Street, etc.) or the recession (2007-2009) which started before Obama was elected (2009) and end before the Bush budget year ended (October, 2009). In fact, Presidents are very seldom totally responsible for anything. It's a system of checks and balances. Presidents don't have much power in economic matters. Making war, they may have more power, but Obama didn't start the wars and he is only slowly bringing the troops home, so the economic impact is slight.
 
2012-02-05 04:27:55 PM
The economy is not improving.

If the economy is getting better, why are a record number of people on food stamps?

How can there be 132 million jobs in December, and 130 million jobs in January, and the unemployment figures go down? Did two million people lose their job and not go on unemployment, and thus, not get counted as unemployed? You can attribute some to retirement and things of that nature, but the truth is we are taking an unprecedented number of people "off the book" and not counting them as unemployed, in particular the people who have given up looking.

And why are we doing this?

All for Obama, because no president has ever been reelected with an unemployment rate higher than 8% so you can be damn sure that no matter how much twisting and lying it takes, the unemployment figure will go down no matter how many people are actually out of work and no matter how many economic indicators scream in our faces that Obama's "getting better" economy is a myth.

The CBO's predictions the other day flew in the face of the lies liberals seem keen to tell us lately.

And if you want to play silly "Economy bad = Obama" "Economy good = State governors", I can play that game too.

You can't scream for three-four years that everything bad that's happening is "not your fault" and blame it on the last guy then suddenly turn around to take credit the second anything good happens.

Unless you're a Democrat of course, because it's not like the liberals are going to call you on your BS, they're not that intellectually honest.
 
2012-02-05 04:31:10 PM
You mean the same Republican governors that are finding themselves behind recall 8-ball?
 
2012-02-05 04:31:52 PM

GAT_00: So, what's the reason the unemployment rate is dropping in states with Democratic governors?


Obviously, it's because their unemployed are moving to red states, where everyone is swimming in a sea of jobs. Duh.

/surprised no republican has responded seriously with this idea
 
2012-02-05 04:32:37 PM
So if they want to claim GOP Governors are responsible for economic improvements in their states, then can I blame Walker for our economy slipping back into the toilet here in WI? No? How about if he's using bs statistics to claim that the economy is really improving and taking credit for said improvement, while in reality anyone with any understanding of empirical data can see that it's all a ruse? How about now?
 
2012-02-05 04:32:54 PM
I thought the GOP talking point was the economy is not up, it's still down and the only reason it seems up is because people are giving up on finding jobs and that the 243,000 new jobs had nothing to do with it and also Obama is a socialist.
 
2012-02-05 04:35:03 PM

GAT_00: zedster: State Unemployment take from http://www.bls.gov/lau/ and color coded by Gov (note RI is gray since their Gov is an independent)

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I'd love for someone to try to find ANY pattern in that.


Puleeeze. Grandma knits scarves like that every year.
 
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