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casual disregard
2012-02-05 10:03:04 AM
Has to be fake.
NewportBarGuy
2012-02-05 10:08:12 AM
casual disregard
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Has to be fake.
Where the hell did you attend high school? Seems pretty normal to me.
JerseyTim
2012-02-05 10:20:12 AM
I nailed all those answers. BOO-YAH!
RexTalionis
2012-02-05 10:24:52 AM
JerseyTim
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I nailed all those answers. BOO-YAH!
Congratulations, you're smarter than a high school sophomore.
GAT_00
2012-02-05 10:46:38 AM
Woo selective editing!
Seriously, let me interview 50 high school students. I can give you two videos: one showing how smart they are by showing lots of right answers, and one showing how stupid they are by showing all the wrong answers.
NewportBarGuy
2012-02-05 11:02:23 AM
GAT_00
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Woo selective editing!
Seriously, let me interview 50 high school students. I can give you two videos: one showing how smart they are by showing lots of right answers, and one showing how stupid they are by showing all the wrong answers.
Not going to even go on the quality of the answers? "What war gave America her independence?" Really? Really?
You don't have to edit it. We dumb.
/Even though I'm sure they edited out correct answers the ones they got wrong were pretty indicative of their overall intelligence.
FloydA
2012-02-05 11:06:01 AM
GAT_00
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Woo selective editing!
Seriously, let me interview 50 high school students. I can give you two videos: one showing how smart they are by showing lots of right answers, and one showing how stupid they are by showing all the wrong answers.
There should not be
any
high school students who can't answer all of those questions correctly. The fact that even one student can't answer those questions is a sign that we are doing something wrong.
Doctor Funkenstein
2012-02-05 11:08:49 AM
I was really hoping to hear one kid drop a 'Fartbongo' because they waste their days on Fark and think that's his name.
GAT_00
2012-02-05 11:10:07 AM
NewportBarGuy
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Even though I'm sure they edited out correct answers the ones they got wrong were pretty indicative of their overall intelligence.
FloydA
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There should not be any high school students who can't answer all of those questions correctly. The fact that even one student can't answer those questions is a sign that we are doing something wrong.
Did your generation vote George Bush for President? Then shut up.
NewportBarGuy
2012-02-05 11:13:09 AM
GAT_00
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Did your generation vote George Bush for President? Then shut up.
Uhhhh... No, actually. That was the old, scared people. But, nice try.
GAT_00
2012-02-05 11:20:27 AM
NewportBarGuy
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GAT_00: Did your generation vote George Bush for President? Then shut up.
Uhhhh... No, actually. That was the old, scared people. But, nice try.
The only Demo Bush won in 2000 was the 30-49 group. In 2004, he won every demo above 30.
Link
Link
NFA
2012-02-05 11:21:30 AM
GAT_00
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Seriously, let me interview 50 high school students. I can give you two videos: one showing how smart they are by showing lots of right answers, and one showing how stupid they are by showing all the wrong answers.
Yes, but the video depicting the smarter students will be significantly shorter. I work with college students every single day of the week and I regularly encounter college Juniors who are incapable of looking at a picture of three parts and then simply laying the three parts out in the same order as the picture. There is no trickery just a basic instruction to place the parts in the correct order before beginning the experiment. I'm not talking about mistakes, I'm talking about students who literally cannot look a picture of three things and arrange three things to look like the picture. I also see college Juniors who are completely incapable of following very basic written instructions. In December 2011 I attended a meeting where one of Computer Science department instructors stated the following in a discussion about a new course which was offered during the fall semester. Again keep in mind these are college Junior's.
'We grossly over estimated the capabilities of the core students when writing our laboratory procedures. Initially we included a sheet with written commands where the student was asked to retype a specific command at the command prompt. We quickly realized they could not retype a single short sentence without errors so we switched to a method where they could copy and paste the command to the command prompt. Then we realized that they also couldn't copy and paste properly. Instead, they would copy a portion of the command and paste it at the prompt. Then would sit confused for 10 minutes or more before asking for help'
In a weird twist of fate I ended up working with one of my old college professors. He was my favorite professor when I attended college in the 1980's. I have taken a number of courses in recent years and they seemed amazingly easy compared to the classes I took in the 1980's. I asked him, are the courses easier or am I able to learn faster than I used to. He smiled and said, the course material is substantially easier than when I taught you. In the 1990's we discovered virtually none of our students could pass the courses so we had to dumb them down. It's been a down hill slide since. The students have less and less capability to learn as time goes by.
GAT_00
2012-02-05 11:23:16 AM
GAT_00
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NewportBarGuy: GAT_00: Did your generation vote George Bush for President? Then shut up.
Uhhhh... No, actually. That was the old, scared people. But, nice try.
The only Demo Bush won in 2000 was the 30-49 group. In 2004, he won every demo above 30.
Link
Link
Oh, and as you can see, Bush tied with the then 18-24 group. How old were you in 2000?
NFA
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The students have less and less capability to learn as time goes by.
Bullshiat.
FloydA
2012-02-05 11:26:41 AM
GAT_00
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Did your generation vote George Bush for President? Then shut up.
No, actually. My generation was more or less evenly split, but unfortunately the generation ahead of mine voted for Bush, and they outnumber us rather significantly. But that's irrelevant to my point.
My point is, it should be impossible for you to produce a video showing wrong answers because no high school student should be unable to answer those questions.
The failure here is
not
that the kids are dumb- they aren't any less intelligent than any other age cohort. It's the school system that is failing them, and that's a systemic problem. The US has under-valued education so much, and has been actively anti-intellectual for so long, that students don't think acquiring knowledge is actually important. And their attitude is reinforced every time the state cuts funding to education (which has happened a lot lately in Washington state, where this video was made).
GAT_00
2012-02-05 11:31:15 AM
FloydA
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My point is, it should be impossible for you to produce a video showing wrong answers because no high school student should be unable to answer those questions.
And I'm saying that no matter what generation I would check, there would be people at the same age unable to answer these questions. Your generation was just as dumb as mine, though these people are more than 10 years younger so it's probably a generation below mine now, but I categorically call bullshiat on the idea that this generation is dumber than yours. Just like every generation before it, the old people have decided the young people are stupid and have completely forgotten how dumb they were.
FloydA
2012-02-05 11:37:21 AM
GAT_00
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I categorically call bullshiat on the idea that this generation is dumber than yours.
I made no such argument.
GAT_00
2012-02-05 11:42:07 AM
FloydA
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GAT_00: I categorically call bullshiat on the idea that this generation is dumber than yours.
I made no such argument.
The argument that it shouldn't be possible to show wrong answers suggests that in the past, there wouldn't have been wrong answers.
NewportBarGuy
2012-02-05 11:43:32 AM
FloydA
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GAT_00: I categorically call bullshiat on the idea that this generation is dumber than yours.
I made no such argument.
Neither did I. In fact, I think I said "
We
dumb." As in our population as a whole.
RexTalionis
2012-02-05 11:46:59 AM
I think having this incredibly stupid argument online proves that you guys aren't much better off than the high schoolers in this video.
It's 11:45 on Superbowl Sunday. Why aren't you people drunk off your ass already?
GAT_00
2012-02-05 11:51:54 AM
RexTalionis
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Why aren't you people drunk off your ass already?
Well, I'm not an alcoholic for one.
NewportBarGuy
2012-02-05 11:51:56 AM
RexTalionis
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I think having this incredibly stupid argument online proves that you guys aren't much better off than the high schoolers in this video.
It's 11:45 on Superbowl Sunday. Why aren't you people drunk off your ass already?
Can't I do both?
I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey
2012-02-05 12:03:35 PM
As a high school junior, I am ashamed of my demographic.
FloydA
2012-02-05 12:19:12 PM
GAT_00
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FloydA: GAT_00: I categorically call bullshiat on the idea that this generation is dumber than yours.
I made no such argument.
The argument that it shouldn't be possible to show wrong answers suggests that in the past, there wouldn't have been wrong answers.
If I say "cars should be more fuel efficient than they are today," I am not implying that the Model-T or the '57 Bel Air were better; they weren't.
By the same reasoning, when I say "kids should be learning more in school than they are currently learning," I am not in any way suggesting that the situation used to be better. I am simply stating that the situation is not as good as it could be.
I'm comparing the current education system to what I think the system is capable of becoming, not to what I think it once was.
This generation is neither more nor less informed than previous generations. It is, however, less informed than it should be (and so were previous generations).
If you
really
want to make this argument about generational politics, rather than about the American tradition of anti-intellectualism, then I'm on your side, since it is my generation and the one ahead of mine that are currently employed as teachers, school administrators and government officials, and they are the ones most to blame for the failure of these kids to know basic information.
That's not my goal, however. I'm not interested in assigning blame, and I'm not interested in inter-generational competition. I'm only really interested in trying to find the cause of the problem and correcting it. If calling my generation a bunch of dumbasses would solve the problem, I'd do that in a heartbeat; a significant portion of them are. But casting aspersions won't solve the problem, so I won't bother.
Should high school students know the capitol of their state? Should they know who the vice president is? Should they know in which war the US gained our independence? Should they know how many stars are on the flag and why? The answer to all of those questions is yes. They should.
They don't all know these facts, and that is a problem. Previous generations were not any more intelligent or better informed, and that is also a problem. But the fact that my generation and the generations that came before me were not any better does not, by itself, justify allowing the problem to persist. (Unless we think that everything is just fine the way that it is, and neither of us think that.)
basemetal
2012-02-05 01:36:25 PM
Meh, I blame the parents for coddling their snowflakes and giving them excuses for their failures. Oh, little johnny has ADD/Asperger's/trend of the year diagnosis/excuse.
/and participation ribbons.
// But, but, but, parenting is haaarrrd
///and takes effort.
////snowflakes raising snowflakes
almandot
2012-02-05 03:10:03 PM
doglover
2012-02-05 03:10:44 PM
FloydA
:
There should not be any high school students who can't answer all of those questions correctly. The fact that even one student can't answer those questions is a sign that we are doing something wrong.
I assure you that many, many, MANY people can not and should not be able to answer all those questions.
For example, the state capitols. That's third grade information. If you've got shiat to do, you forget it in the intervening years. Give me the kid who knows two or more languages over the dork who still remembers all the state capitols any day.
Then there's just a percentage of people who will never get anything right. You mother, for example, talking about shiat you liked as a kid, will screw up ALL the names, amirite?
Drummer
2012-02-05 03:14:08 PM
Urope
.. (starts with a U) LOL.
cenobyte40k
2012-02-05 03:17:43 PM
doglover
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I assure you that many, many, MANY people can not and should not be able to answer all those questions.
For example, the state capitols. That's third grade information. If you've got shiat to do, you forget it in the intervening years. Give me the kid who knows two or more languages over the dork who still remembers all the state capitols any day.
You have a point and if he was asking all the state capitals I would totally be there with you. But he only asks about Washington State which gives the impression that they are in Washington State. I am going to assume you know the Capital of the state you live in.
I can't think of (And apparently you couldn't either) a single other example of a question he asked that normal people with real jobs and things to do shouldn't know. How many states? Who is the VP? What countries boarder the US? A country that starts with U? The name of our war for independence? Do you not know this stuff?
The Loaf
2012-02-05 03:22:29 PM
This country in which this was filmed's name starts with a 'T', not a 'U'.
/Just saying.
whatshisname
2012-02-05 03:22:41 PM
This Hour has 22 Minutes did this with American university students and politicians in their "Talking to Americans" segment. They got Mike Huckabee to congratulate Canada for saving their
National Igloo
(new window).
Apos
2012-02-05 03:22:52 PM
"I was...never taught that."
"Uuutopia?"
"The Korean War?
Yes!
"
"The Vice President? Bill Clinton."
*facepalm*
AirForceVet
2012-02-05 03:33:17 PM
That was fun.
Saw similar results way back in the late 70s USAF basic training. Recruits were asked who was the President, the Vice-President, their Congressional Representatives and Senators, etc. Everyone bombed. They did get the President right though mostly.
NobleHam
2012-02-05 03:40:07 PM
That's my High School.
Ugh.
Thoroughly With Foil
2012-02-05 03:42:28 PM
At least the title "Lunch Scholars" isn't misleading, and is, in fact, indicative of the fact that most of the interviewees appear to be aspiring Sandwich Artists®.
HellRaisingHoosier
2012-02-05 03:50:49 PM
We all have different skill sets.
My little cousins can ace me at world history, but they have no idea how to program a database.
My little cousins can name all 50 states and capitols, but they don't know how to build a fire.
My little cousins can paint amazing pictures, but they don't know how to run a screen-play
Look at our politicians, bankers, entrepreneurs. Most are extremely successful businessmen and women. But could most of them tell you the name of ONE computer language? Unlikely.
Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion
2012-02-05 03:58:00 PM
Good thing we put so much emphasis on sports over academics or this video wouldn't be as entertaining. I hope those interviewed were able to get home in time to catch the next episode of American Idol.
Uglybarnacle
2012-02-05 04:18:42 PM
this is what happens when you instil the 'you can be whatever you want to be when you grow up, snowflakeykins' mindset rather than showing your kids what is in demand and what is useful.
Snapper Carr
2012-02-05 04:20:08 PM
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
George Carlin
US comedian and actor (1937 - 2008)
Nothing to see here, folks: just the bottom of the curve.
clutchcargo2002
2012-02-05 04:27:28 PM
The Loaf
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This country in which this was filmed's name starts with a 'T', not a 'U'.
/Just saying.
Did you really just state that? Not sure if serious.
Any Pie Left
2012-02-05 04:30:26 PM
To me, the kid's poor answers reflect the fact that their value system doesn't value any of the information on which they were tested. I would say that their parents failed them first, and the teachers didn't or couldn't correct it. These kids are living in a consumerist bubble partly of their own making. They seem to lack fundamental academic curiosity, and like most kids their age, are much more concerned about hair, clothes, sex, music, drugs, cars, TV, movies, and computer games. Test them on their command of THOSE topics, you'd get high scores for everything. That's the information
they
value in their frame of reference, where the real world to them doesn't exist past the shopping mall, much less the library. They don't care about politics because they are too young to vote anyway and see their world as ruled by old people and rich people who have consolidated all the power, so the kids don't have any influence anyway. Historical facts mean little to them since history was not made by them, it was made by old people before them. What exists now may as well have always existed as it does now. They have little sense of deep time, since they live for three o'clock and the weekends.
The kids in the video that DID nail the test questions were raised better, bottom line. They were raised by parents with certain standards and a sense of accountability. And reinforced by teachers who were demanding and engaged.
Xai
2012-02-05 04:33:33 PM
U-rope ................ ROFL
Dialectic
2012-02-05 04:34:27 PM
"Are you smarter than a High School Senior?"
Somebody needs to haveit as a gameshow!
mrbach
2012-02-05 04:35:10 PM
Oh, now I see why everything has to made in China.
GilRuiz1
2012-02-05 04:48:19 PM
Any Pie Left
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To me, the kid's poor answers reflect the fact that their value system doesn't value any of the information on which they were tested. I would say that their parents failed them first, and the teachers didn't or couldn't correct it.
As long as we continue to blame teachers and budgets, we'll never fix the real problem. Sure, if we gave the largest budget in the world to the top teachers on the planet, things would improve
a little
. However, not even they could overcome the fact that parents don't care, and that today's society does not value knowledge and education.
Scruffinator
2012-02-05 04:49:13 PM
Apos
:
"I was...never taught that."
"Uuutopia?"
"The Korean War? Yes!"
"The Vice President? Bill Clinton."
*facepalm*
My favorite was the girl: "Canada....? No, wait, that's a state, nevermind."
I really want that to be fake.
FloydA
2012-02-05 04:57:34 PM
Scruffinator
:
Apos: "I was...never taught that."
"Uuutopia?"
"The Korean War? Yes!"
"The Vice President? Bill Clinton."
*facepalm*
My favorite was the girl: "Canada....? No, wait, that's a state, nevermind."
I really want that to be fake.
I think "vice president Bin Laden" has that one beat, but not by much.
mooseyfate
2012-02-05 05:05:50 PM
GAT_00
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FloydA: My point is, it should be impossible for you to produce a video showing wrong answers because no high school student should be unable to answer those questions.
And I'm saying that no matter what generation I would check, there would be people at the same age unable to answer these questions. Your generation was just as dumb as mine, though these people are more than 10 years younger so it's probably a generation below mine now, but I categorically call bullshiat on the idea that this generation is dumber than yours. Just like every generation before it, the old people have decided the young people are stupid and have completely forgotten how dumb they were.
If it makes you feel better, no one that interacts with you ever forgets how dumb you are.
Scruffinator
2012-02-05 05:09:22 PM
FloydA
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I think "vice president Bin Laden" has that one beat, but not by much.
The Canada one must of stuck out because it made me think of the Simpsons.
Marge: Half the students couldn't even locate Canada on the map
Homer: Who can blame them? Tucked away all the way down there.
I concede your point, though.
madden101
2012-02-05 05:17:47 PM
Scruffinator
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My favorite was the girl: "Canada....? No, wait, that's a state, nevermind."
This. Close second was VP bin Laden.
Apos
2012-02-05 05:23:26 PM
FloydA
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Scruffinator: Apos: "I was...never taught that."
"Uuutopia?"
"The Korean War? Yes!"
"The Vice President? Bill Clinton."
*facepalm*
My favorite was the girl: "Canada....? No, wait, that's a state, nevermind."
I really want that to be fake.
I think "vice president Bin Laden" has that one beat, but not by much.
Ok,that one
had
to be a joke. I refuse to believe that they're *that* ignorant.
Right?
Right
?
Heaven help us.
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