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2012-02-05 08:26:13 PM

sunbird: Grobbley: [www.skepticmoney.com image 592x720]

suck it atheists

That is the most fantastic thing I have seen ever.


Fantastic (adj):
a : based on fantasy : not real
b : conceived or seemingly conceived by unrestrained fancy
c : so extreme as to challenge belief : unbelievable; broadly : exceedingly large or great

/ Clearly, religious fundamentalists don't pee or sweat.
// The Earth is, first and foremost, a filtration system of epic scale.
/// Love my well.
 
2012-02-05 08:27:02 PM

NewWorldDan: When, as a teenager, I announced that I was an athiest and not going to be confirmed at church, it caused some problems. In fact, I only had 2 people speak up in my defense - my Dad and my priest, so I at least I had that going for me.


Also, that they weren't the same man.
 
2012-02-05 08:28:18 PM

Danger Avoid Death: Pardon my throwing poop at you.


Yet more evidence of our simian ancestors.
 
2012-02-05 08:32:50 PM
I've always been interested in the generally accepted belief in a god; but belief in aliens is ridiculed. I dont see a difference.
 
2012-02-05 08:34:16 PM

Frederick: I've always been interested in the generally accepted belief in a god; but belief in aliens is ridiculed. I dont see a difference.


God is a local.
 
2012-02-05 08:35:52 PM
I think some of yall Bible Belt dwellers are being drama queens. You act like you're badgered about it at every turn. I've never once been even asked about my religion in the last 4 years and I live in an overwhelmingly religious area. It's not that hard to avoid the topic.
 
2012-02-05 08:37:59 PM

CitizensUnited: while atheism is pretty stupid, being gay is just about the worst thing a person can be -if they're even people.


You're not even trying anymore.
 
2012-02-05 08:42:57 PM
Reading that article makes me wonder how much of it is "OMG ATHEISTS!" and how much of it is "OMG ASSHOLE!"
Because reading one of those stories made me think, this is the type of person who shoves their beliefs down your throat whether you want to hear it or not.

That isn't exclusive to religious people.
 
2012-02-05 08:43:22 PM
While I do think it's a bit of hyperbole to say that being atheist is worse than being gay...if I had my druthers I'd certainly rather be atheist (which I am) in the south (where I've lived all my life) than be gay. I saw the out right persecution of gay students at my high school, and see them as far more targets for bullying than I ever felt. But it is hard. What's the hardest for me is the polite disagreement clause that is thus:

As a Christian (or religious person in general), you don't respect nor hold my opinion as valid and studied and rational. And as an atheist I certainly don't hold your faith as valid and studied and rational, and therefore don't respect your opinion. But as everyone who is from the south knows, the REAL religion is southern hospitality, which means you have to be polite to the extreme, and only bear aggression in the most passive forms. This leads to much play acting by all parties. We can never have honest, real debate about it because it's not polite.

I'm a university teacher, and I go way out of my way to be neutral in the religion category, and never state my opinions. I do this because I feel that alienating some of my students would be disastrous to my results as a teacher. What I'm teaching has very little to do with this. However, it feels so wrong sometimes. But I do it, and they do it, and we all just pretend. We have to make like we think all opinions are valid, which is simply not the case with human beings who've made a choice in one direction or another.

I could deal with conflict and arguments and discussion. It's this pretending that's the real hell. I'm doomed to be a Southern Gentlemen at the cost of my values.

/and that right there is a white people problem. I sound so whiny.
 
2012-02-05 08:43:32 PM

blondski: I think some of yall Bible Belt dwellers are being drama queens. You act like you're badgered about it at every turn. I've never once been even asked about my religion in the last 4 years and I live in an overwhelmingly religious area. It's not that hard to avoid the topic.


That's because everybody believes/assumes that you're religious. And so long as you remain closeted, it won't occur to anybody to question it.

/ But your silence has the secondary effect of tacitly reinforcing the dominant viewpoint, making it that much harder for other nearby atheists to exist in the open.
 
2012-02-05 08:44:42 PM
I work in an office and don't know who is religious or athiest. At home, I know one guy's religion just far enough to not keep offering him alcohol and pork. They don't preach me to me, I don't preach to them. No one is a dick about it.

The last time I discussed religion with someone was 15 years ago when a nun came around to my hospital bed and said "I noticed your chart said NRD (No Religious Denomination) and I wondered what your views are on religion?".

I said "Since your asking, I think it was a good historical tool to keep an illiterate and ignorant population in control."

She nodded and left.

No slinging matches, no insults, no raised voices. This is all pretty normal sort of stuff where I live.

Are bible belts different?
 
2012-02-05 08:45:23 PM

MooseUpNorth: Danger Avoid Death: Pardon my throwing poop at you.

Yet more evidence of our simian ancestors.


Or, as I call them, "Mom and Dad".
 
2012-02-05 08:45:53 PM
It isn't just the Bible Belt. I'm from Illinois, and people at my college would have the "Darwin fish" stolen off their cars. And the cars keyed.
 
2012-02-05 08:46:15 PM

MooseUpNorth: blondski: I think some of yall Bible Belt dwellers are being drama queens. You act like you're badgered about it at every turn. I've never once been even asked about my religion in the last 4 years and I live in an overwhelmingly religious area. It's not that hard to avoid the topic.

That's because everybody believes/assumes that you're religious. And so long as you remain closeted, it won't occur to anybody to question it.

/ But your silence has the secondary effect of tacitly reinforcing the dominant viewpoint, making it that much harder for other nearby atheists to exist in the open.


You do realize that blathering on and on about your beliefs is just as annoying as Christians that blather on and on about their beliefs right?
 
2012-02-05 08:47:32 PM

blondski: MooseUpNorth: blondski: I think some of yall Bible Belt dwellers are being drama queens. You act like you're badgered about it at every turn. I've never once been even asked about my religion in the last 4 years and I live in an overwhelmingly religious area. It's not that hard to avoid the topic.

That's because everybody believes/assumes that you're religious. And so long as you remain closeted, it won't occur to anybody to question it.

/ But your silence has the secondary effect of tacitly reinforcing the dominant viewpoint, making it that much harder for other nearby atheists to exist in the open.

You do realize that blathering on and on about your beliefs is just as annoying as Christians that blather on and on about their beliefs right?


I blather, therefore I am.
 
2012-02-05 08:47:53 PM

zzrhardy: I work in an office and don't know who is religious or athiest. At home, I know one guy's religion just far enough to not keep offering him alcohol and pork. They don't preach me to me, I don't preach to them. No one is a dick about it.

The last time I discussed religion with someone was 15 years ago when a nun came around to my hospital bed and said "I noticed your chart said NRD (No Religious Denomination) and I wondered what your views are on religion?".

I said "Since your asking, I think it was a good historical tool to keep an illiterate and ignorant population in control."

She nodded and left.

No slinging matches, no insults, no raised voices. This is all pretty normal sort of stuff where I live.

Are bible belts different?


No that's pretty much how it is everywhere if you don't try and force your beliefs on someone else. People just generally leave it alone.
 
2012-02-05 08:48:08 PM

Grobbley: suck it atheists


That landover baptist site gets me every time, I encounter it just infrequently enough to keep forgetting it's satire.

And that's a testament to just how crazy the religion situation is in America...that the crazy derp that comes out of that satire site is close enough to the real thing that so many are easily fooled by it.
 
2012-02-05 08:48:16 PM

MooseUpNorth: blondski: I think some of yall Bible Belt dwellers are being drama queens. You act like you're badgered about it at every turn. I've never once been even asked about my religion in the last 4 years and I live in an overwhelmingly religious area. It's not that hard to avoid the topic.

That's because everybody believes/assumes that you're religious. And so long as you remain closeted, it won't occur to anybody to question it.

/ But your silence has the secondary effect of tacitly reinforcing the dominant viewpoint, making it that much harder for other nearby atheists to exist in the open.


I never saw much point in being "in the open". We'd all be better off if everyone kept it to themselves, no matter what they are.
 
2012-02-05 08:48:46 PM

buckler: rebelyell2006: buckler: whatshisname: How would anyone know you're an atheist, unless you volunteered the information?

Every now and then, someone asks you about your religious views. You can say something vague about believing in God, which would be a lie, you can try to avoid the question, which raises suspicion, you can be honest, or you can tell them to go to hell, which would be simultaneously proper and rude. The only honest (and "moral") answer is the one that causes you to receive maximum grief.

The easiest thing to do is to say "I'm not religious", which is an honest answer, but people can take whatever they want form it. Religious people will think that statement is a statement of lapsing faith but nothing real bad and so they won't bother me further about it. Atheists will take that either as a lapsing faith or a lack of religion (i.e. atheism).

I've tried that. Most times, it's fine. In the Bible belt, the followup question is often, "but you do believe in God, though, right?" Then you're back to square one.


Or you can just shoot the nosy SOB. Then your only problem is where to bury the body.
 
2012-02-05 08:49:48 PM

Leeds: I piddled away too much time before responding.


You're in time to see if we can hijack the thread, though.
 
2012-02-05 08:50:13 PM

blondski: MooseUpNorth: blondski: I think some of yall Bible Belt dwellers are being drama queens. You act like you're badgered about it at every turn. I've never once been even asked about my religion in the last 4 years and I live in an overwhelmingly religious area. It's not that hard to avoid the topic.

That's because everybody believes/assumes that you're religious. And so long as you remain closeted, it won't occur to anybody to question it.

/ But your silence has the secondary effect of tacitly reinforcing the dominant viewpoint, making it that much harder for other nearby atheists to exist in the open.

You do realize that blathering on and on about your beliefs is just as annoying as Christians that blather on and on about their beliefs right?


Absolutely. Now let's take a look at the national political discourse shall we?
 
2012-02-05 08:50:28 PM
I can't believe so many people are still religious. It seems so obvious to me that everything living on earth evolved from the same single cell life through evolution over millions of years. Because that single cell life was present so soon after the creation of the earth, It was probably seeded by a comet, so it started elsewhere in the 10 billion years the universe existed before earth. Wherever that life started, I think it was a random occurrence, and there has been no outside influence on the universe since the big bang, and I'm guessing there is no way we were designed into the big bang, we are a result of random chaos since then.

What created the universe? I don't know, maybe a "god" or aliens in a lab created it, pretty much irrelevant to those in the universe, but would be interesting to find out someday. M-branes colliding is an interesting theory. I think that the thought that there is a god that designed us, cares about our lives and sins, or existence after death is just a crutch for the weak minded to deal with the insignificance of their tiny lives and fear of death, and a more ridiculous complicated unlikely notion than that we evolved through randomness. I don't have anything against religious people, I respect those that limit their religion to the creation of the universe unless they think gods original design vs randomness controls it, but I think those that think a god knows of their existence, cares about it, hears prayer, or there is an afterlife are mentally handicapped to have come to that conclusion, and I choose not to be around them as much as possible.

Best part is I'm guaranteed to know the truth about life after death, I assume when I die I'm done, and if that belief is wrong I'll know about it. All those believing in an afterlife will never get to know if they were wrong and when you die it's just like pulling the plug on your computer then having your hard drive disintegrate.
 
2012-02-05 08:51:29 PM
FTA: "We had met in a private room because Johnson worried that anywhere else in the town, people might overhear us and be offended by her godlessness."

Then, a little ways down, the article posts a photo of her.
 
2012-02-05 08:53:00 PM

blondski: MooseUpNorth: blondski: I think some of yall Bible Belt dwellers are being drama queens. You act like you're badgered about it at every turn. I've never once been even asked about my religion in the last 4 years and I live in an overwhelmingly religious area. It's not that hard to avoid the topic.

That's because everybody believes/assumes that you're religious. And so long as you remain closeted, it won't occur to anybody to question it.

/ But your silence has the secondary effect of tacitly reinforcing the dominant viewpoint, making it that much harder for other nearby atheists to exist in the open.

You do realize that blathering on and on about your beliefs is just as annoying as Christians that blather on and on about their beliefs right?


It depends on where you're at.

When I lived in Kansas, I never faced any religious discrimination. When I started a new job, two of the people who came by to introduce themselves and say hi very politely said something like, "I know you're kind of new in the area and I don't know if you'd be interested, but if you're looking for a new church home, I'd love to have you come to church with me & my family." And I graciously said, "Thank you for the offer, but I'm not really interested right now," and that was it. They invited me to a revival/picnic about six months later and that was it. They didn't push. They didn't force it. The attitude was very clearly not one of, "You MUST come to church with me!" but one of, "If you're looking for a good church, I'd love to invite you to join me." That's cool. No problems at ALL.

OTOH, when my husband went to a job interview to teach at a public school, the principal doing the interview said, "Around here, there's not much except for the churches and the schools. How are you going to become a member of the community?" My husband replied, "I'd love to help out with extra-curricular activities for the schools and whatever else I can help with." The principal said, "So what church do you go to?" and my husband replied with, "Well, I don't attend church regularly." This was in a JOB INTERVIEW for a PUBLIC SCHOOL! (Needless to say, he didn't get the job.)

I had a friend who attended a very highly-publicized pagan gathering in our town on Saturday night. After a local protest group contacted his employer, he was fired on Tuesday. The boss said, "I just can't have a devil-worshipper serving the customers. It wouldn't look right."

Two separate towns: both in the "Bible Belt", but with VERY different cultures regarding religious tolerance. You can't generalize everybody's experience just because you've been fortunate enough to not face that kind of discrimination.
 
2012-02-05 08:55:07 PM

blondski: You do realize that blathering on and on about your beliefs is just as annoying as Christians that blather on and on about their beliefs right?


Yes. Which is why I don't feel much need to lampshade my atheism. But I also won't "avoid the topic" when it's clear someone is making unjustified assumptions about my faith (or rather, my lack). I feel that's equally counterproductive.
 
2012-02-05 08:55:24 PM
If I didn't happen to mention it to my wife and one or two of my friends they'd never know. I'm not in the closet or anything but I'm not an evangelical atheist so it almost never comes up. On the rare occasion that I have to go to a wedding or funeral or something else in a church I just show up and don't pray and that's about all there is to it for me.

Being gay is a huge part of a gay person's life but I don't care to be defined by what I don't do and don't care about.
 
2012-02-05 08:56:36 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: CitizensUnited: while atheism is pretty stupid, being gay is just about the worst thing a person can be -if they're even people.

[images.wikia.com image 277x367]


what is that supposed to be, an angry Smurf?
 
2012-02-05 08:56:51 PM

milk_plus: If I didn't happen to mention it to my wife and one or two of my friends they'd never know. I'm not in the closet or anything but I'm not an evangelical atheist so it almost never comes up. On the rare occasion that I have to go to a wedding or funeral or something else in a church I just show up and don't pray and that's about all there is to it for me.

Being gay is a huge part of a gay person's life but I don't care to be defined by what I don't do and don't care about.


Awesome band name.
 
2012-02-05 08:57:24 PM

LDM90: I never saw much point in being "in the open". We'd all be better off if everyone kept it to themselves, no matter what they are.


Yup. But we don't live in that world.
 
2012-02-05 08:58:56 PM
evolution-theory
god-not even a hypothesis

I'm pretty confident aliens are out there, can't wait till we figure out how to communicate with them.
 
2012-02-05 09:02:14 PM
David Silverman, president of American Atheists, concurs: "We challenge the whole concept that you can't be good without God."

Bevets:

Theist: There is no prescriptive morality without God.
Atheist: Look at my description of morality.


cameroncrazy1984:

Congratulations, you just proved that it is ACTUALLY possible to be good without God. How does that feel?

Bevets:

You missed the point. Atheists may pat themseles on the back for following 'a code', but they have no coherent basis for the code, no reason not to cheat their own code, and no compelling reason for others to follow the code.

...

There are some cultures who believe it is right to love their neighbors, and others who believe it is right to eat them, both based on feelings. Do you have a preference? ~ Ravi Zacharias


macaddict0:

You don't have to believe in a god to believe that adherence to the golden rule makes for a more harmonious society. My desire for the world to be a better place is enough of a compelling reason to do my best to adhere to it.

There are many who dont care about the golden rule or a more harmoinious society. Will you impose your morality on them? If your answer is 'yes', then morality is merely the will of the strongest. If your answer is 'no', you are no better than the criminals whose crimes you choose to accept.

Mugato:

Bevets, you are basically saying that if you weren't religious and weren't afraid of getting your ass kicked after you die, you would be out raping and pillaging right now. You are both the scariest and most common type of religious folk.

The same atheists who would claim 'non judgmentalism' is the highest virtue often show themselves to be quick and severe in their judgment of others. On what basis have you determined the motives and actions of a stranger?

abb3w:

Yes, God (allegedly) says you ought to do this, that and the other. On what basis is this anything besides more description?

God is the Moral Law Giver. He is also the Moral Law Enforcer. People are free to deny prescriptions. No one is free to deny consequences.

Baryogenesis:

By the way, do you adhere to God's morality because God said so or because the morality is good for its own sake? If the former then you're nothing more than a moral relativist. Morality is just whatever God says. If tomorrow God said killing is okay then you would have to obey and kill to be "good". If it's the latter, then God is superseded by moral laws God can't change and is just conveying those laws to us. We could just as easily side step God and appeal directly to the independent moral code.

God is the foundation of essence of goodness. They are inseparable. Everything that is good comes from God.
 
2012-02-05 09:02:25 PM

CitizensUnited: Keizer_Ghidorah: CitizensUnited: while atheism is pretty stupid, being gay is just about the worst thing a person can be -if they're even people.

[images.wikia.com image 277x367]

what is that supposed to be, an angry Smurf?


A troll.
 
2012-02-05 09:03:58 PM

Person: Reading that article makes me wonder how much of it is "OMG ATHEISTS!" and how much of it is "OMG ASSHOLE!"
Because reading one of those stories made me think, this is the type of person who shoves their beliefs down your throat whether you want to hear it or not.

That isn't exclusive to religious people.


ZOMG! Wall-o-text... TLDR
 
2012-02-05 09:04:01 PM

stuffer: evolution-theory


Also a fact.
It happened.
The theory is in how it happened.
 
2012-02-05 09:05:50 PM

Makh: Weaver95: I've often wondered what a purely pagan township would look like.

Salem Mass. Large community grew out of people coming for miles around expecting to see them. Many of the houses have bind runes all over them. Most people are ok with it. Some non-pagans aren't too happy about the pagans. Commercials air on the local TV asking shouldn't Salem capitalize on Salem's nautical roots. Yeah, that would make the costal town unique.


Having lived in Salem for over 20 years, I can say with authority, you have NO idea what you're talking about.

We're basically a middle-class Boston suburb on the North Shore with a damn clever Board of Tourism. Nobody has 'runes' on anything, and except for a small (but welcome) minority of Pagans, Wiccans and New-agers (and no, those are not the same people - if you had any idea what you're talking about it, you'd know that), we're basically a bunch of boring New Englanders. We put on one hell of a Halloween party, though - you're all invited next year. And we still have a huge tourist draw for our historical tourism, and a world class art museum at the Peabody Essex.

Next time you visit our 'unique coastal town', visit something besides the tourist traps downtown.
 
2012-02-05 09:06:47 PM
hey gaiz what's this thread?
 
2012-02-05 09:10:02 PM

Bevets: God is the foundation of essence of goodness. They are inseparable. Everything that is good comes from God.


I've read the bible- I know your god and he's hardly the "essence of goodness" as you suggest. He's a homicidal masochistic creature who gets goaded into stupid bets with the devil.

So don't pretend that your "good book" backs you up- you're not preaching to illiterate folk, Little-B.
 
2012-02-05 09:10:15 PM

Bevets: God is the foundation of essence of goodness. They are inseparable. Everything that is good comes from God.


Everything evil came from God, too, because he created it to punish the entire universe when two individual creations of his became intelligent.
 
2012-02-05 09:10:28 PM

Bevets: Words...


.God is the foundation of essence of goodness. They are inseparable. Everything that is good comes from God.


So then God can make Atheists be "good" whatever their conscientious motivation. See, we can agree!
 
2012-02-05 09:11:55 PM
Hooray, douchebags come in all religions and lacks thereof. Other than arguments with my formerly ultra-religious grandmother (who renounced most of it during the week she died), I've never made a big deal about it to anyone. Ever. I never say "I'M AN ATHIEST!!!!!". If I were gay, I'd never hop into a great big rainbow gay pride parade either.

If I were Christian, or Muslim, or Jewish, I wouldn't go "I'M CHRISTIAN!" or "I'M MUSLIM!" or "I'M A JEW!!!!" and join their parades either.

My lack of belief in a god has nothing to do with anyone but ME, so I've never made a big deal out of it, and no one has ever persecuted me for it.
 
2012-02-05 09:13:30 PM

Bevets: Mugato:

Bevets, you are basically saying that if you weren't religious and weren't afraid of getting your ass kicked after you die, you would be out raping and pillaging right now. You are both the scariest and most common type of religious folk.

The same atheists who would claim 'non judgmentalism' is the highest virtue often show themselves to be quick and severe in their judgment of others. On what basis have you determined the motives and actions of a stranger?


Your actual words. You claim that people who aren't religion don't have any reason to follow any moral code. I took that to mean that your religion is all that's keeping you from doing bad things, which is what you're obviously saying.

Although I am quite shocked that you answered without a simple out of context quote. Kudos.
 
2012-02-05 09:15:43 PM

Bevets: God is the Moral Law Giver. He is also the Moral Law Enforcer. People are free to deny prescriptions. No one is free to deny consequences.


So essentially, if God said "go forth and rape and murder all you want", it would be perfectly morally correct to rape and murder. Got it.
 
2012-02-05 09:17:36 PM

Baryogenesis: By the way, do you adhere to God's morality because God said so or because the morality is good for its own sake? If the former then you're nothing more than a moral relativist. Morality is just whatever God says. If tomorrow God said killing is okay then you would have to obey and kill to be "good". If it's the latter, then God is superseded by moral laws God can't change and is just conveying those laws to us. We could just as easily side step God and appeal directly to the independent moral code.


celebslife.net

what if god said 1+1=4 is good? so then bevets, can god microwave a burrito so hot that even he cannot eat it???

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-02-05 09:17:41 PM

Bevets: David Silverman, president of American Atheists, concurs: "We challenge the whole concept that you can't be good without God."

Bevets:

Theist: There is no prescriptive morality without God.
Atheist: Look at my description of morality.

cameroncrazy1984:

Congratulations, you just proved that it is ACTUALLY possible to be good without God. How does that feel?

You missed the point. Atheists may pat themseles on the back for following 'a code', but they have no coherent basis for the code, no reason not to cheat their own code, and no compelling reason for others to follow the code.

...

There are some cultures who believe it is right to love their neighbors, and others who believe it is right to eat them, both based on feelings. Do you have a preference? ~ Ravi Zacharias


I'm an atheist, and I'm better than you. I'm good because I believe it is the right thing to do. You behave in a good way only because you want to be rewarded in an afterlife or because you fear being punished in hell.

Ergo I am better than you.
 
2012-02-05 09:19:42 PM

ekdikeo4: Hooray, douchebags come in all religions and lacks thereof. Other than arguments with my formerly ultra-religious grandmother (who renounced most of it during the week she died), I've never made a big deal about it to anyone. Ever. I never say "I'M AN ATHIEST!!!!!". If I were gay, I'd never hop into a great big rainbow gay pride parade either.

If I were Christian, or Muslim, or Jewish, I wouldn't go "I'M CHRISTIAN!" or "I'M MUSLIM!" or "I'M A JEW!!!!" and join their parades either.

My lack of belief in a god has nothing to do with anyone but ME, so I've never made a big deal out of it, and no one has ever persecuted me for it.


Hooray for you. Others have been, and many of them weren't flaunting or forcing either. People really need to stop with the "If it does/doesn't happen to me, it does/doesn't happen to anybody and anyone who says otherwise is wrong" mentality.

Rent is too damn high: Bevets: God is the Moral Law Giver. He is also the Moral Law Enforcer. People are free to deny prescriptions. No one is free to deny consequences.

So essentially, if God said "go forth and rape and murder all you want", it would be perfectly morally correct to rape and murder. Got it.


God works in mysterious ways. It is God's will.
 
2012-02-05 09:19:50 PM

Rent is too damn high: Bevets: God is the Moral Law Giver. He is also the Moral Law Enforcer. People are free to deny prescriptions. No one is free to deny consequences.

So essentially, if God said "go forth and rape and murder all you want", it would be perfectly morally correct to rape and murder. Got it.


Rapey-stabby is ok if you believe in Jesus as your personal savior. Not believing is unforgivable. Makes perfect sense.
 
2012-02-05 09:20:22 PM

doyner: milk_plus: If I didn't happen to mention it to my wife and one or two of my friends they'd never know. I'm not in the closet or anything but I'm not an evangelical atheist so it almost never comes up. On the rare occasion that I have to go to a wedding or funeral or something else in a church I just show up and don't pray and that's about all there is to it for me.

Being gay is a huge part of a gay person's life but I don't care to be defined by what I don't do and don't care about.

Awesome band name.



What are we, chopped liver?
lgoat.com
(the band's website (new window))
 
2012-02-05 09:22:26 PM

Rent is too damn high: Bevets: God is the Moral Law Giver. He is also the Moral Law Enforcer. People are free to deny prescriptions. No one is free to deny consequences.

So essentially, if God said "go forth and rape and murder all you want", it would be perfectly morally correct to rape and murder. Got it.


http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

/ Just sayin'.
 
2012-02-05 09:22:37 PM

morgantx: I had a friend who attended a very highly-publicized pagan gathering in our town on Saturday night. After a local protest group contacted his employer, he was fired on Tuesday. The boss said, "I just can't have a devil-worshipper serving the customers. It wouldn't look right."


Wow, how infuriating. It would take a really big person to walk away from that without blowing up.

Bevets: God is the foundation of essence of goodness. They are inseparable. Everything that is good comes from God.


Everything that is evil would also have to come from god.
 
2012-02-05 09:23:53 PM

G2V: Nothern Kentucky Atheist. I actually find that, while people might be surprised or a bit disapproving (I don't make any effort to hide it if it comes up), generally that's about as severe as repercussions get. It's rather refreshing, really.


THIS. Louisville native here. I was a bit shocked to see my hometown mentioned in the article. I've just never experienced the persecution I've read about. Just the opposite really... I've met a few Christians here that genuinely embody the teachings of Christ, and who don't shun or berate me for my lack of belief even when I'm being outwardly hostile about it (I was pretty vocal about Christian hypocrisy during that whole Harold Camping Rapture thing). If anything, I've grown to respect Christian belief and stopped ascribing stereotypes to anyone that self-applies that label.

Where are these nitwits? Must be the liberal media inventing new boogymen.
 
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