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2012-02-05 02:05:32 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: pgh9fan: ExperianScaresCthulhu: gulogulo: Honest Bender: No it doesn't. But it might mean it wasn't rape. Regret != rape. TFA makes it sound like the guy didn't really know it was rape. Just a trashed girl with emotional problems.

Really? Like when he admitted she said "No, let's stop," several times and then became emotionally unresponsive? His regret and ignorance doesn't mean he is in the clear either.

'No. Don't. Stop.'

'No, don't stop.'


Did she hit him upside the head? Did she scratch him? Did she try to get away?
How good was his legal representation, versus hers?

No she didn't scratch him or try to get away. She was restrained and in handcuffs. And for all you morans who say she shouldn't have put herself in that situation: No matter where a woman (or guy) is at, they ALWAYS have the right to say "NO!" and stop. Once she said no, that should have been it. And she said no several times.

Her transcription of the phone call:

Me: You know, I got sober a couple years back-

D: Congratulations.

Me: And I have these memories, but a lot of it is hazy and there are pieces that are missing and some new pieces have come back to me since I got sober. And about this incident in particular with you and M*** and C*** and a group of guys who forced me to do some things.

D: So what do you want from me?

Me: I just want to know if all this really happened. Cause sometime s it feels like I'm going crazy.

D: OK. I remember. You're not going insane. You're not delusional. It happened. I remember. I was there.

My interpretation of this part of the transcript is that the man remembers that something happened..... but where the chick puts the emphasis on 'force', the man doing the remember does not, as evidenced in the following part of her transcription:

D: I was in the far corner from the door. Somebody told me that you wanted to come over and hang out. It was me and you and M*** and C***, J***. and S***. I was in the far corner from the door. I associate the song "Stupid Girl" by Garbage with the scene, so maybe it was playing. Somebody brought you over and told me you were going to give me head. I thought you were hitting on me. I had no idea there was anything non-consensual going on. After you left, they all gave me shiat about it. Said I was hogging all the head.

Me: I remember handcuffs, do you remember that?

D: I don't remember handcuffs. I remember a collar and a leash.

But that's all moot, because this woman -- and subby's title, as Chudogg as unsuccessfully tried to point out multiple times in this thread -- is an unreliable narrator. There is an awful lot missing. We don't know how much of the call was relayed, and how much was cut out. We don't know if she got his permission to tape record him (because if she got that permission, she would have included it in her transcript, yes? and if he gave that permission, I wonder if he would have been a lot more careful in his answers. As it stands, he sounds like someone who still thinks he's talking to a friend, not an accuser who's still angry at him and has an axe to grind with him).


She's unreliable, to me, because of this graphic:



It makes it look like she contacted him first. Why would she contact him first? Were there other contacts between them that didn't make this article? And regardless of who contacted who first........................ there's a lag of at least 3 and a half months between her saying she wanted to ask him something privately via google on September 20, 2010........ and what the article describes as a 'fast forward to 2011'.

There was no fast forward to 2011. The picture shows a date of 2010. When was the transcript of the recorded phone call made? If the phone call was made in 2011, exactly what types of conversations were going on between the September 20, 2010 conversation.............................. and when this article breathlessly proclaims that her rapist dared to send her a friend request in 2010?


I don't buy this biatch's story, and I sure as hell don't buy her presentation. If anything, the way this story is presented in the article, I believe that 'people don't change' comes into play, here. If she is pulling this crap, with the help of some baby feminists, on a blog site, why are we to believe that she was on the up and up as a 14 year old?

She gets to claim statutory rape. But lurid shiat trying to turn herself into some brave hero for confronting her rapist? I don't think so.

There's a motive here, and it has to do with the caption to this photo:


Emily McCombs, left, is now managing editor at xoJane.com. She also created the web series, "A Woman's Perspective" and has previously worked at LemonDrop.com and Asylum.com


Eww, that's her on the left? Gross. Who would rape that?
 
2012-02-05 02:05:44 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: pgh9fan: ExperianScaresCthulhu: gulogulo: Honest Bender: No it doesn't. But it might mean it wasn't rape. Regret != rape. TFA makes it sound like the guy didn't really know it was rape. Just a trashed girl with emotional problems.

Really? Like when he admitted she said "No, let's stop," several times and then became emotionally unresponsive? His regret and ignorance doesn't mean he is in the clear either.

'No. Don't. Stop.'

'No, don't stop.'


Did she hit him upside the head? Did she scratch him? Did she try to get away?
How good was his legal representation, versus hers?

No she didn't scratch him or try to get away. She was restrained and in handcuffs. And for all you morans who say she shouldn't have put herself in that situation: No matter where a woman (or guy) is at, they ALWAYS have the right to say "NO!" and stop. Once she said no, that should have been it. And she said no several times.

Her transcription of the phone call:

Me: You know, I got sober a couple years back-

D: Congratulations.

Me: And I have these memories, but a lot of it is hazy and there are pieces that are missing and some new pieces have come back to me since I got sober. And about this incident in particular with you and M*** and C*** and a group of guys who forced me to do some things.

D: So what do you want from me?

Me: I just want to know if all this really happened. Cause sometime s it feels like I'm going crazy.

D: OK. I remember. You're not going insane. You're not delusional. It happened. I remember. I was there.

My interpretation of this part of the transcript is that the man remembers that something happened..... but where the chick puts the emphasis on 'force', the man doing the remember does not, as evidenced in the following part of her transcription:

D: I was in the far corner from the door. Somebody told me that you wanted to come over and hang out. It was me and you and M*** and C***, J***. and S***. I was in the far corner from the door. I associate the song ...


I'm skeptical of her account on several fronts, but according to the article he initiated contact via a friend request prior to this exchange. There's no way to tell from the image if that happened or not; it doesn't really undermine her story.

The image has been photoshopped, though. I've seen a few photoshops in my day and I can tell from the pixels.

You know, the fat black pixels...
 
2012-02-05 02:07:31 PM

Pert: Troublesome Strumpet: When a victim is blamed, it's basically saying the perpetrator can't help themselves.

I agree with you entirely and it's the biggest issue for me in the whole "argument" (if you can call such utter nonsense an argument).

I don't give a flying fark if the woman walked naked through the park at midnight, the point is that each and every man who walks past her can either rape her or not.

As a man I am extremely indignant about the idea that only some of us can hold our rapey urges in check. Most men don't have rapey urges at all. We are NOT fighting a constant battle against raping the next girl who walks past in a miniskirt, it's just not something we want to do.

Those who commit rape do so because they want to and they will do it when they get the opportunity.

Of COURSE there is a good, practical argument for not walking through the park at night naked (you are putting yourself in a position where you are more likely to be attacked by a rapist) but being naked in a park at night does NOT CREATE A RAPIST.

"Oh man, I only went out to walk the dog but then this girl walked past naked and the next thing I knew I had attacked her........"

That's NOT HOW IT WORKS.


I realize that this is a RAPE RAPE thread and I am not supposed to laugh. but I did.

my first thought when I see a naked women walking the streets at midnight, is "ARE YOU OK, I AM CALLING 911 to get you HELP!"
"NO, I am not listening to you say that you dont need help"

she gets my jacket, I go with her to the hospital and answer what I can to the police ...

/then again, there are people who are CERTAIN that porn turns all men into rapists ... sigh
 
2012-02-05 02:07:34 PM
Jesus I can't believe how many rape-a-pologists are on here. Alcohol/drugs, age, dress, etc. ARE NOT mitigating factors. Rape is rape is rape.

Of course this website is infested with Assburger social retreads so I'm not surprised in the least there are rape-a-pologists here.
 
2012-02-05 02:07:47 PM

ChuDogg:
If you question the veracity of a rape claim: you are a rape apologist
If you question whether alcohol/drugs blurred her judgement: you are rape apologist.
If you question whether she has buyers remorse or next day regret: you are a rape apologist.
If you question why women cannot consent when under the influence of drugs or alchol, but men can: you are a rape apologist.
If you question hearing only one side to the story: you are a rape apologist
If you question why if didn't say no or refuse: you are a rape apologist.

And the only rational reason to be a rape apologist is because you are infact a rapist yourself. It doesn't have anything to do with false accusations of rape or smearing all men as potential rapists. And if you post anything reasonable, intelligent, logical, and rational deconstructive arguments, you're only met with howls of "ignore list filling up pretty quickly", "I'll never attend a fark party", lol

In her world, you would need a written contract of consent with witnesses, notarized, with a drug/alcohol test performed to determine sobriety, a court's advocate to determine she is not under threat of coercion, and signed well in advance of the heterosexual act with a white male. I'm sure lesbian sex would be OK though.


If you own a dick, you're a rape apologist.
If you like dick, you're a rape apologist.

As for the notarized statement, good luck with that. It's still rape. Consensual intercourse does not exist, and even when it does exist no woman can ever truly consent to sex with a man because she is not equal to him in society. Your last sentence isn't funny so much as 'that's what they really believe', to borrow a political forum phrase used by both libtards and conservatards.
 
2012-02-05 02:07:51 PM

Honest Bender: Her age has nothing to do with whether or not it was consensual. And I don't mean legally consensual because bla bla bla, she's underage, can't legally consent


errrr

Her age, AND the fact that she was trashed... very much means it was not consensual
There are reasons for those laws.
Throw in the fact that he admitted she said no

His being trashed does not forgive him
Her being trashed does not either

It was rape
He is a rapist

The mitigating circumstances do not improve that, they make it worse.
 
2012-02-05 02:08:24 PM

Pert: hicksfa2: The guy is a douche, and the girl sounds like a complete biatch, willing to blame anybody but herself for making piss poor decisions that have sure dire consequences.

Indeed.

God DAMN that woman to hell for blaming the people who raped her rather than herself.


No, I just don't have much sympathy for people (especially women) who willingly get themselves into precarious siutations; get drunk, high/stoned off their ass; don't have a clear memory of exactly what happened to them, but they know at some point in their night they had sex, and instantly revert to playing some kind of victim card to resolve them of having to admit the fact that they made some pretty piss poor decisions because they're having buyer's remose.

And from what I read- It appears the BOTH of them have a pretty hazy memory of the exact dialogue that occured which lead to the both of them having sex. Why? Because they were BOTH pretty f'ed up. The guy in essence already apologized for his actions that night- She's just trying to squeeze a rape confession out of him for whatever asinine reason...Most likely to feed her anger and aggression towards men with more of that 'passing the buck' kind of mentality a lot of women have when it comes to their actions.
 
2012-02-05 02:09:19 PM

tblax: sarah_t_s: tblax:
If a girl is getting raped and she says, "No," say it's pretty obvious what she means

Whilst BOTH parties are under the influence of drugs? Not so much.

So do you think that these boys wouldn't have acted like rapists if they were sober? Doubt it. From TFA it sounded as though they had a plan.


No it sounds like one of them had a plan and another guy was heavily drugged up and coerced it to performing an act. That's what I got FTA. Your making assumptions about motivations just like others have made assumptions about item availability.

That is a bad thing to do with an edited transcript. Unless you were there and were not intoxicated its all conjecture based on, at best, 2nd hand information.
 
2012-02-05 02:09:23 PM

danvon: Nem Wan: The perpetrator is at least as immature as the victim, considering that teenage girls mature sooner than boys.

Quoting an article about the Supreme Court decision that banned capital punishment for juveniles, 'An amicus brief filed by the AMA and seven others asserted that, in adolescent development, the frontal lobes of the teen brain-the region that helps curb impulses, make plans and weigh risks-are "one of the last parts of the brain to reach maturity.'"

That may be a mitigating circumstance in the penalty phase of the criminal case but it sure doesn't make it less of a rape as far as the victim is concerned.


This case will never go to trial at this late date. If we're talking about capacity to forgive or deal with the past, I think it's relevant that a juvenile can make an immature, evil decision that has devastating life-long consequences for a victim but still grow up to be an adult who would never do that. He might continue to be an asshole but at least he might make more mature risk vs. reward calculations. We're not talking about an adult perpetrator who is still out there acting on the same impulses and needs to be stopped before he strikes again.
 
2012-02-05 02:09:48 PM

shastacola: skoobx: . Now, if it was me, I'm done as soon as she says no

Really? You're not "done" as soon as she"s led to you on a dog leash and told to give you a blow job?

"Somebody brought you over and told me you were going to give me head."


I was speaking about the excerpt that detailed the vaginal intercourse. But keep cherry picking to fit your needs.
 
2012-02-05 02:09:57 PM

Julie Cochrane: It is what it is.


Odd. I would've thought Bill Belichick would be far too busy this afternoon to be on a Fark rape thread.

I kid, I kid. These are just jokes, Ma'am.
 
2012-02-05 02:10:19 PM

Primum: Jesus I can't believe how many rape-a-pologists are on here. Alcohol/drugs, age, dress, etc. ARE NOT mitigating factors. Rape is rape is rape.

Of course this website is infested with Assburger social retreads so I'm not surprised in the least there are rape-a-pologists here.


This site also seems to be filled with people who believe that an allegation of rape is proof of rape. It isn't.
 
2012-02-05 02:11:24 PM
To everyone insisting no means no,

Do you understand that historically, and very recently, that was not at all what boys and girls, men and women were taught, and few of these people were what you would call rape apologizers?

Also, if you insist that no means no, does that mean when your boyfriend, girlfriend, friends, mother, father, boss, teacher, brother, sister, cop tell you "no", do you always leave it at that first no?

You don't ask again, you don't negotiate, you don't try again in a few minutes or an hour or a day? You don't offer reasons why the answer should be yes, you don't try to wear them down, you don't give counter offers, or incentives?

You just leave it at that first "no", because no means no.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-05 02:12:05 PM
oh mon dieu,

this thread is making my very uneasy.

Or maybe its just the most brilliant trolling I've ever seen.
 
2012-02-05 02:12:17 PM

mongbiohazard: KiplingKat872: AndreMA: KiplingKat872: AndreMA: KiplingKat872: Your post failed because you *are* calling her a liar.

Questioning the accuracy of someone's recollection is not calling them a liar.

Especially when by her own admission her recollection of what was clearly an emotionally laden experience was spotty. Hardly surprising in light of that that her recollection of a phone conversation about those events might not be perfect either.

You can split hairs and dress it up in frilly clothes all you want, you are calling her a liar to excuse her rapists.

KiplingKat872: AndreMA: KiplingKat872: Your post failed because you *are* calling her a liar.

Questioning the accuracy of someone's recollection is not calling them a liar.

Especially when by her own admission her recollection of what was clearly an emotionally laden experience was spotty. Hardly surprising in light of that that her recollection of a phone conversation about those events might not be perfect either.

You can split hairs and dress it up in frilly clothes all you want, you are calling her a liar to excuse her rapists.

Actually I'm questioning your reasoning and debating skills, but whatever.

My debating skills are high enough to see through B.S. just fine.

There is no reason to assume she made up the, "it wasn't handcuffs, it was a dog collar." If she was projecting her version of events onto what this guy said, he would have agreed with her it was handcuffs.

There is no evidence to suspect this is a lie any more than any other rape survivor's testimony.

Unless you are calling all rape survivors liars.


There's also no evidence to suspect that it's true - that's an important point. All we have is her word on the matter. That's it. We don't even have his words... we have what she SAYS he said. Fark, we don't even know if the guy actually exists. We do know that she claims that even she wasn't sure what happened, she has an incomplete enough recollection that she wasn't even sure if she'd been raped, and that she was a troubled kid who was a substance abuser. Now it's many years later and she writes for a living.

Don't let your personal history stir up emotions that cloud your judgement. I think there are reasons to be skeptical, but where we stand right now there is no reason to believe or disbelieve her story. That's all it is as of yet... a story by a writer with a few details which are cause for concern. Could be true, could be BS.

A healthy skepticism in no way equates with "calling all rape survivors liars."


The guy admits it happened, agrees eith her on several pertainment points. You guys are just looking for a way to excuse him and blame her.

Which is the attitude that makes it more difficult for women, like myself, to come forward.
"They won't believe me, so why should I put myself through that?"

If this article is a repeat from months ago, if it was fabricated, wouldn't someone have shot it down by now?

You're dressing up sexism in a psuedo rationality. You are showing more bias than I am by refusing to aknowlege eyewitness accounts.
 
2012-02-05 02:12:19 PM

Primum: Jesus I can't believe how many rape-a-pologists are on here. Alcohol/drugs, age, dress, etc. ARE NOT mitigating factors. Rape is rape is rape.

Of course this website is infested with Assburger social retreads so I'm not surprised in the least there are rape-a-pologists here.


I haven't seem a lot of apologists. I've seen a lot of "we don't have the full farking story here."
 
2012-02-05 02:13:29 PM

John Buck 41:
Keep this up and I may delete the yellow. As long as we don't debate the (de)merits of raw milk.


Disagreeing doesn't get people on my ignore list. Ad hominem and other desperate debating tactics do. There are intentional trolls who also are on ignore. The signal to noise ratio demands it sometimes.

If we ever meet, the milkshakes are on me. Mine pasteurized, yours filled with deadly cooties.

/I keed, I keed
 
2012-02-05 02:13:34 PM
Newsflash: not all men are potential rapists....and not everyone that commits rape is male.

But yeah, lots of people like to ignore both those facts.
 
2012-02-05 02:14:08 PM

KiplingKat872:
/too many fake claims means i don't automatically buy the status quo

WTF does any of that have to do with this incident other than you grasping at straws to defend rapists? RTFA.


Thank you for your suggestion. It was worse than I thought it would be:
"There were two things that took my breath away in reading parts of their hour-long conversation. One was the absolute gall of this man, who tried to turn the tables on the whole ordeal and become Emily's friend. But more than that was Emily's absolute resolve and courage to ask impossibly difficult questions and hear devastatingly cruel answers."

Biatches, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!
 
2012-02-05 02:14:17 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: RaceBoatDriver: FanotherFA written by the same author:
I didnt talk about rape at all back then, because I didn't have the vocabulary. Each time that it happened to me, I felt that extenuating circumstances kept it from truly being rape. He was my boyfriend, I was drunk, I got in the car. I never believed that I had fought hard enough.

eyebrow

/link?
// there's a reason


Here it is, fifth paragraph...
http://www.xojane.com/issues/why-i-talk-about-rape

Not trying to belittle rape, but to build an identify on it, and claim multiple rapes, seems a little off. She also wrote an article about the reactions she got to "Sexy biatch" temporary BOOBIE tattoos. That article can be found here:
http://www.xojane.com/fun/tatatoos-breast-temporary-tattoos.

That's not to say she was "asking for it." More along the lines of "she likes attention."
 
2012-02-05 02:14:43 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: Newsflash: not all men are potential rapists....and not everyone that commits rape is male.

But yeah, lots of people like to ignore both those facts.




NEWS FLASH

We're talking about a group of males that raped a female
 
2012-02-05 02:15:17 PM

ChuDogg: If you question the veracity of a rape claim: you are a rape apologist
If you question whether alcohol/drugs blurred her judgement: you are rape apologist.
If you question whether she has buyers remorse or next day regret: you are a rape apologist.
If you question why women cannot consent when under the influence of drugs or alchol, but men can: you are a rape apologist.
If you question hearing only one side to the story: you are a rape apologist
If you question why if didn't say no or refuse: you are a rape apologist


Sadly, pretty much this.
 
2012-02-05 02:15:23 PM

MoronLessOff: Oznog: Chinchillazilla: John Buck 41: WTH is 'penguin head'?

Yes, I also need to know this.

/too much beak?

I, too, was wondering this. Urban Dictionary says:

1. penguin head
The act of performing oral sex on a man with an ice cube in your mouth and a vibrator against your cheek to imitate the cold and pecking sensation of a penguin's beak.
"Bro, I got got some mad penguin head last night." -Man 1

"Dude, that's wicked chill!" -Man 2

I... don't see how that even applies. I mean, it's not a likely assumption that the 14-yr-old girl has a vibrator and is keeping an ice cube cold somewhere.

Only the first part of that sounds fun. I propose that, henceforth, this act will be known as the Chilly Willy.


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1. Chilly Willy 211 up, 31 down
To injest alcohol through the nose via snorting, in order to get the alochol into your system quicker. Often done out of the concave bottom of a shot glass.
That chilly willy was fun huh? wait...get up, why are you passed out?
buy chilly willy mugs & shirts
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2. chilly willy 16 up, 7 down
The act of dipping one's penis into a bucket of ice water and without warning, jamming it into a female partner's gash.
So I was banging this chick down by the lake right, and the ice was frozen. So I dipped my stick in the frozen lake water, and gave her a chilly willy.
buy chilly willy mugs & shirts
chilly frozen cold bucket ice
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When one's sex partner sucks on an ice cube, drastically lowering the temperature of their mouth and tongue, prior to giving you oral sex.
LaFawnduh gave me a chilly willy in the bathroom on the bus to Detroit. That's when I knew I was gonna marry her.
 
2012-02-05 02:16:26 PM

olddinosaur: Hmmm, let's see:

She showed up at a place where low-life guys hang out.;
She was blasted to the gills on dope of some kind;
She was so blasted she does not remember what happened, but she says it was rape;
There are no details as to what they were charged with, where the trial took place, or whether they were convicted;
She cannot recall simple details even to this day;
She doesn't do what any sensible person would do, which is hunt down the bastards and kill them.


The whole thing does not ring true to me. I think there was a party, everyone was stoned to the armpits, and the whole thing got totally out of hand.


-She did remember details, just not all of them. Trauma has a funny way of farking with someone's memory
-Not a lot of victims go to the police because they fear backlash and being blown off, by the cops and others, and because it's very, very painful to have to go over what details they have over and over again
-Your definition of "sensible" scares me. Also, some people might have something to lose by going to prison for murder, like me for example. If I went and offed the shiatsack who raped me, I'd get thrown in prison and not get to watch my kids grow up, and it won't allow me the chance to move on and get my life together

How about you shut the fark up and not pull bullshiat out of your ass? You obviously have NO IDEA what trauma can do to a person; they're not always going to act how you think they should, people being individuals and not having the same life experiences that you do and all that.
 
2012-02-05 02:16:37 PM

Caelistis: I read this article and had absolutely no reaction to it. I wasn't stunned, shocked, appalled or sickened. I just didn't care.

I know several women in my life who have, at some age or another, been sexually assaulted. When they told me, I said I was sorry that it happened to them. Not that I actually was, because no part of me can relate to that experience and I had no reaction, but because it seemed to be the logical thing to do as I assume it significantly changed their life and perhaps their personality.

shiat happens and humans do horrible things to each other. "Awareness" and "discussion" hasn't changed that fact since the dawn of our existence and it isn't going to change it now.

/Waits for the ad hominems


alltheragefaces.com
 
2012-02-05 02:16:48 PM

Flagg99: Sorry but - it's time to take your friend's stories with a grain of salt. It really does sound like sex she regrets. People can indeed work themselves up into a frenzy with physical symptoms. In an earlier post I relayed a story of a friend of mine who was "raped" where even she didn't fully agree, and refused to cooperate with charges against the guy, because they were both drunk.

Well I have another friend who sounds a lot like yours. And between this friend, and one other girl who blatantly lied about rape to get out of admitting to cheating on her BF, it became a real eye opener as to how the word "rape" is used as a weapon.

This girl claims to have been raped - wait for it - 19 times. 19! Every time you talk to her, the number gets a little higher. Because it's pretty much the number of guys shes slept with. And every time one pisses her off, suddenly he's a rapist.

I specifically lost contact with this girl just to be safe; the friendship just was not worth it. But let me tell you - before all this happened, she was trying to get in my pants, and the same can be said of the other guys. It wasn't abusers choosing her, she was choosing guys. And one or two of them were legitimately abusive (borderline) but she would run right out and do that same thing. To the extent where, after ranting on about how she was "not a whore and no one's property" one night she tried giving me a strip tease moments after.

Beyond that, she could seem just as traumatized, and is even on meds for it. She's been to therapy, dropped out of school, and when we first met, I felt a lot of sympathy for her. Then I saw her in action. She would aggressively initiate sexual contact with guys then later claim rape when things didn't turn out the way she wanted it. She saw no problem with it, and was basically a serial victim, only it was a complete sham.

I get that there may have been an initial event that triggered this behaviour - but years or decades later, it is simple not acceptable to ...


hahaha no
her story is long, detailed, with huge amounts of real evidence.
I have watched the crazy BF threaten her (from afar, we live in different states)
there is only so much energy which goes into FAKING and lying and stories.
watching an abuse victim collapse in start terror from a panic attack. there are things which you can not fake. period.
this is not the crazy regret sex .... this is the abuse victim being abused ....

it was eye-opening and horrifying and educational to learn about.
lots of thought and energy went into "is this all just bullshiat"
but when you add in months of stories with details which are impossible to make up.
truth is stranger than fiction.
it is the details which create belief in truth.
stories and fiction are always missing little bits here and there
they dont FEEL right ...
her life, felt right.

if she wrote her story, no one would publish it.
the non-fiction people would say that it was all made up
the fiction people would say that it is TOO INSANE and could never have happened.

I wrote as much as I could, capturing the insanity.
Her brain was so broken, so compartmentalized.
NO ONE WORKS this hard JUST to avoid getting a job.
NO ONE WORKS that hard just to be "lazy".

if it was a CON, it was the greatest CON of all time ... and she could have gotten more??
why would you con someone out of 1000 dollars when you could have gotten 10,000 dollars? all that work for such a small pay off?

sigh
not my problem
 
2012-02-05 02:17:01 PM

KiplingKat872: This took some serious courage. I never saw the bastard who raped me again. I just wanted to run away like she said at the beginning of the article. We had been dating and he left a couple messages on my machine, pissed off that I was not returning his calls, but I never answered them and quit the place I worked at where we had met. It took me a long time to deal with what happened, and get closure on my own.


Are you one of those biatches who tells the same sob stories (different names) to the new White Knights in your life, leaving shiat out, and when your Bipolarism kicks in again, you start trying to 'recreate' history with the new White Knight who thought he was trying to help you and Be A Better Man Than The Ones Who Hurt You Before?
 
2012-02-05 02:17:03 PM

Teen Wolf Blitzer: This site also seems to be filled with people who believe that an allegation of rape is proof of rape. It isn't.


Exactly. In light of how much damage even a demonstrably false charge of rape can do to someone's life, I wonder how many of those who take an allegation as proof would be OK with withholding the identity of the accused (until conviction, if any) as well as the victim?

/not saying that's what's happening here or claiming the woman in the article has any malicious intent.
 
2012-02-05 02:19:01 PM

Oznog: Chilly Willy


1 is stupid, 2 is down right retarded. But 3? Yes, spot on!
 
2012-02-05 02:19:03 PM

Meesterjojo: FTFA: "Aside from the awfuldetails about what happened that day, what was hardest for me to stomach was the part where Emily stands up for herself and reminds this man that she said no, and that she said it repeatedly, and yet he passively tells that she didn't do enough to get him to stop."

What actually was said (also FTFA:) "I said no, but I didn't scream or bite or kick because that's not what I knew how to do. I just asked you nicely to stop."

"When I think of my own personal history, and that of my closest friends, I'm reminded of just how prevalent the does-NO-really-mean-no? mindset it with American males."

Too much hyperbole, too much manhate for me to take seriously, and it wasn't the author of this piece, the one so enraged, that was raped. Oh, and her quip about "American males", because of course we invented rape.

Olawdy, that's what I hate with these sorts of articles- the manhate. Always the manhate. It may not have happened to a woman, but there's always a close friend that was (and usually a dubious story, unlike this one), and now said woman will use this incident to attack men.

Then, if you don't come out and scream at the top of your lungs "rape is bad!" and question the situation, or the attitudes of people, folks will ask you "Why do you like rape? Don't you see how bad rape is bad? Rape rape rape rape rape bad". It's so old, so tired.


Thank you.
 
2012-02-05 02:19:15 PM

tblax: The more you eat the more you fart: Newsflash: not all men are potential rapists....and not everyone that commits rape is male.

But yeah, lots of people like to ignore both those facts.



NEWS FLASH

We're talking about a group of males that raped a female


Right....and this entire thread is full of "attention men: no means no" crap.

Thanks...i got that memo already. Perhaps a few women didnt.

1in 6 men are either molested or raped. Not all perpetrators are male.

This is fark...how many stories are there per week sbout some female teacher raping an underage student?
 
2012-02-05 02:19:17 PM
mikdeetx:

Surely it traumatized her but I wonder how much of her trauma was caused by suggestive therapy where the therapist injects bad memories.

WTF? Why would the therapist inject bad memories?

My gaydar went off when I looked at the author's photo. She's a lesbian now...and this also gave her closure for a bad hetero episode with multiple men.

Oh, I see. You're just a dumb, homophobic asshole.

Was it rape? IF she said no, it was. IF she was fantasizing about a sausage fest in a drunken stupor, not so much. She's definitely not a prude by any means.

Just in case you're not a troll - yes, it was rape. She said no, several times. She could not physically fight back, because she was wearing a collar with a leash and handcuffs. Nothing about this situation would indicate to anybody with an ounce of common sense that she gave consent.
 
2012-02-05 02:19:32 PM

KiplingKat872: The guy admits it happened


No, there is no such "admission" beyond a transcript after the fact. Did it happen as she claims? I don't know.

AND YOU DON'T EITHER.
 
2012-02-05 02:21:22 PM

John Buck 41: Keep this up and I may delete the yellow. As long as we don't debate the (de)merits of raw milk.


It's funny because you're farked in pink as: "Trolled Kennedy daughter thread", which you didn't need to do at all, you just felt like being a gratuitous asshole.
 
2012-02-05 02:22:00 PM

KiplingKat872: mongbiohazard: KiplingKat872: AndreMA: KiplingKat872: AndreMA: KiplingKat872: Your post failed because you *are* calling her a liar.

Questioning the accuracy of someone's recollection is not calling them a liar.

Especially when by her own admission her recollection of what was clearly an emotionally laden experience was spotty. Hardly surprising in light of that that her recollection of a phone conversation about those events might not be perfect either.

You can split hairs and dress it up in frilly clothes all you want, you are calling her a liar to excuse her rapists.

KiplingKat872: AndreMA: KiplingKat872: Your post failed because you *are* calling her a liar.

Questioning the accuracy of someone's recollection is not calling them a liar.

Especially when by her own admission her recollection of what was clearly an emotionally laden experience was spotty. Hardly surprising in light of that that her recollection of a phone conversation about those events might not be perfect either.

You can split hairs and dress it up in frilly clothes all you want, you are calling her a liar to excuse her rapists.

Actually I'm questioning your reasoning and debating skills, but whatever.

My debating skills are high enough to see through B.S. just fine.

There is no reason to assume she made up the, "it wasn't handcuffs, it was a dog collar." If she was projecting her version of events onto what this guy said, he would have agreed with her it was handcuffs.

There is no evidence to suspect this is a lie any more than any other rape survivor's testimony.

Unless you are calling all rape survivors liars.


There's also no evidence to suspect that it's true - that's an important point. All we have is her word on the matter. That's it. We don't even have his words... we have what she SAYS he said. Fark, we don't even know if the guy actually exists. We do know that she claims that even she wasn't sure what happened, she has an incomplete enough recollection that she wasn't even sure if she'd been raped, and that she was a troubled kid who was a substance abuser. Now it's many years later and she writes for a living.

Don't let your personal history stir up emotions that cloud your judgement. I think there are reasons to be skeptical, but where we stand right now there is no reason to believe or disbelieve her story. That's all it is as of yet... a story by a writer with a few details which are cause for concern. Could be true, could be BS.

A healthy skepticism in no way equates with "calling all rape survivors liars."

The guy admits it happened, agrees eith her on several pertainment points. You guys are just looking for a way to excuse him and blame her.

Which is the attitude that makes it more difficult for women, like myself, to come forward.
"They won't believe me, so why should I put myself through that?"

If this article is a repeat from months ago, if it was fabricated, wouldn't someone have shot it down by now?

You're dressing up sexism in a psuedo rationality. You are showing more bias than I am by refusing to aknowlege eyewitness accounts.


What eyewitness accounts? There are none. There is her account and no others, and no evidence. That's the point.

You are letting your own sexism cloud your judgement & also see sexism in others where it doesn't exist.
 
2012-02-05 02:22:12 PM

pgh9fan: ExperianScaresCthulhu: gulogulo: Honest Bender: No it doesn't. But it might mean it wasn't rape. Regret != rape. TFA makes it sound like the guy didn't really know it was rape. Just a trashed girl with emotional problems.

Really? Like when he admitted she said "No, let's stop," several times and then became emotionally unresponsive? His regret and ignorance doesn't mean he is in the clear either.

'No. Don't. Stop.'

'No, don't stop.'


Did she hit him upside the head? Did she scratch him? Did she try to get away?
How good was his legal representation, versus hers?

No she didn't scratch him or try to get away. She was restrained and in handcuffs.

And for all you morans who say she shouldn't have put herself in that situation: No matter where a woman (or guy) is at, they ALWAYS have the right to say "NO!" and stop. Once she said no, that should have been it. And she said no several times.


handcuffs, dog collar. could have been a scrunchy at this point. who the hell knows what happened. if they were all on substances, there's no telling what the fark happened. the only constant is that she was underaged. she gets a statutory rape accusation. but the rest don't stick.
 
2012-02-05 02:22:42 PM

RaceBoatDriver: ExperianScaresCthulhu: RaceBoatDriver: FanotherFA written by the same author:
I didnt talk about rape at all back then, because I didn't have the vocabulary. Each time that it happened to me, I felt that extenuating circumstances kept it from truly being rape. He was my boyfriend, I was drunk, I got in the car. I never believed that I had fought hard enough.

eyebrow

/link?
// there's a reason

Here it is, fifth paragraph...
http://www.xojane.com/issues/why-i-talk-about-rape

Not trying to belittle rape, but to build an identify on it, and claim multiple rapes, seems a little off. She also wrote an article about the reactions she got to "Sexy biatch" temporary BOOBIE tattoos. That article can be found here:
http://www.xojane.com/fun/tatatoos-breast-temporary-tattoos.

That's not to say she was "asking for it." More along the lines of "she likes attention."


Exactly. Seems like she had a drug-fueled, degrading yet voluntary sexual experience as a teen, and is now trying to portray herself as a victim in order to gain attention for her job.
 
2012-02-05 02:22:48 PM

RoyBatty: To everyone insisting no means no,

Do you understand that historically, and very recently, that was not at all what boys and girls, men and women were taught, and few of these people were what you would call rape apologizers?

Also, if you insist that no means no, does that mean when your boyfriend, girlfriend, friends, mother, father, boss, teacher, brother, sister, cop tell you "no", do you always leave it at that first no?

You don't ask again, you don't negotiate, you don't try again in a few minutes or an hour or a day? You don't offer reasons why the answer should be yes, you don't try to wear them down, you don't give counter offers, or incentives?

You just leave it at that first "no", because no means no.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x476]


You're seriously farking stupid.

"No means no" when it comes to sex because it is a violation of someone elses' bodily integrity. That's why rape, murder and assault are crimes.

The reason few people were taught that no means no before a certain point in time is because women and children were considered property until only last century (in most Western countries anyway).

There's room for negotiations in other situations because in those situations, you're not trying to physically harm another person against their will. That is the difference between trying to ask a boss for a raise and trying to violate someone's sense of self and safety for your own selfish desires.

If you can't tell the difference, maybe you shouldn't be allowed outside without a handler.
 
2012-02-05 02:23:01 PM

John Buck 41: PsiChi: Herb Utsmelz: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: is there an upper limit on the number of people you can put on your ignore list?

If there is a limit, it's higher than 216.

I hope there isn't. You'd think people would want to keep on having others read their posts. But if you post disgusting, unfunny stuff repeatedly, you will be ignored.

Assholes I get in a pissing match with? They go straight to yellow Favorite, only on the off chance they might post something intelligent someday.(Hey, it's happened, even earlier in this thread) That and the whole 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer' philosophy. I understand why some people use the Ignore feature, but I personally don't get it.

Not that any of you give a shiat.


I do. And, since you're favorited already, and I think it's good advice, I'm going to the three strikes rule, utilizing your "yellow favorites" guideline (maybe green, then yellow, then red, then out). I don't like ignoring Farkers - they're usually very funny - but everyone has to set their own limits, in their own way. Kind of relates to the rape topic, actually.

/Some will still be out immediately.
 
2012-02-05 02:23:12 PM

skoobx: Primum: Jesus I can't believe how many rape-a-pologists are on here. Alcohol/drugs, age, dress, etc. ARE NOT mitigating factors. Rape is rape is rape.

Of course this website is infested with Assburger social retreads so I'm not surprised in the least there are rape-a-pologists here.

I haven't seem a lot of apologists. I've seen a lot of "we don't have the full farking story here."


It's just really farking sad the number of people here who read that story (or DRTFA), and instead of being impressed with her courage, marturity, and forgiveness, immediately leapt to "biatches be lyin'."

And we wonder why this is still such a huge problem in our "enlightened society."
 
2012-02-05 02:23:51 PM
Fascinating this article is listed as 06.06.2011 but appears on Super Bowl Sunday morning.

I'm amazed there wasn't a link to a 5 year-old article about abuse of women increasing on Super Bowl Sunday.

Trolling means trolling, buster.
 
2012-02-05 02:23:53 PM

tblax: Guidette Frankentits:
Herp derp, you disagree so you're stupid

Okay, done talking to you


Enjoy your vacation
 
2012-02-05 02:23:55 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: KiplingKat872: This took some serious courage. I never saw the bastard who raped me again. I just wanted to run away like she said at the beginning of the article. We had been dating and he left a couple messages on my machine, pissed off that I was not returning his calls, but I never answered them and quit the place I worked at where we had met. It took me a long time to deal with what happened, and get closure on my own.

Are you one of those biatches who tells the same sob stories (different names) to the new White Knights in your life, leaving shiat out, and when your Bipolarism kicks in again, you start trying to 'recreate' history with the new White Knight who thought he was trying to help you and Be A Better Man Than The Ones Who Hurt You Before?


wow.

just.

wow.

I weep for humanity.

oh wait, this is fark, no humanity required.
 
F42
2012-02-05 02:24:54 PM

Troublesome Strumpet: People: No means no.


I was kissing a girl, she says (feebly) "no, stop" and pushes me away; I stop; she goes (angrily) "why did you stop!?!?!!" and pulls me back.

So, no, "no" doesn't always mean no, and lying about that is preventing 0 rapes.
 
2012-02-05 02:26:12 PM
anyone on Facebook is clearly asking for it

www.rositacortez.com
 
2012-02-05 02:26:24 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: KiplingKat872: This took some serious courage. I never saw the bastard who raped me again. I just wanted to run away like she said at the beginning of the article. We had been dating and he left a couple messages on my machine, pissed off that I was not returning his calls, but I never answered them and quit the place I worked at where we had met. It took me a long time to deal with what happened, and get closure on my own.

Are you one of those biatches who tells the same sob stories (different names) to the new White Knights in your life, leaving shiat out, and when your Bipolarism kicks in again, you start trying to 'recreate' history with the new White Knight who thought he was trying to help you and Be A Better Man Than The Ones Who Hurt You Before?


No.

But I do hope you warn your prospective partners you're an asshat who loves to make blanket assumptions.
 
2012-02-05 02:26:50 PM

Slartibartfaster: Honest Bender: Her age has nothing to do with whether or not it was consensual. And I don't mean legally consensual because bla bla bla, she's underage, can't legally consent

errrr

Her age, AND the fact that she was trashed... very much means it was not consensual
There are reasons for those laws.
Throw in the fact that he admitted she said no

His being trashed does not forgive him
Her being trashed does not either

It was rape
He is a rapist

The mitigating circumstances do not improve that, they make it worse.


How old was he? Perhaps she is a rapist.
 
2012-02-05 02:27:33 PM

my herniated disc: ExperianScaresCthulhu: KiplingKat872: This took some serious courage. I never saw the bastard who raped me again. I just wanted to run away like she said at the beginning of the article. We had been dating and he left a couple messages on my machine, pissed off that I was not returning his calls, but I never answered them and quit the place I worked at where we had met. It took me a long time to deal with what happened, and get closure on my own.

Are you one of those biatches who tells the same sob stories (different names) to the new White Knights in your life, leaving shiat out, and when your Bipolarism kicks in again, you start trying to 'recreate' history with the new White Knight who thought he was trying to help you and Be A Better Man Than The Ones Who Hurt You Before?

wow.

just.

wow.

I weep for humanity.

oh wait, this is fark, no humanity required.


Yeah, there's a reason I ignored him.
 
2012-02-05 02:27:38 PM

Honest Bender: But it might mean it wasn't rape. Regret != rape.


Yep, sounds like a slut that sobered up and realized what a slut she was. Easier to scream rape than deal with the fact that she did some slutty things.
 
2012-02-05 02:27:45 PM

F42: Troublesome Strumpet: People: No means no.

I was kissing a girl, she says (feebly) "no, stop" and pushes me away; I stop; she goes (angrily) "why did you stop!?!?!!" and pulls me back.

So, no, "no" doesn't always mean no, and lying about that is preventing 0 rapes.


This is why I'm single. I'm tired of the games.

Tell. Me. What. You. Want. From. Me. You. Psychotic. Silly. Person.
 
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