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2012-02-05 04:07:17 AM

The Name: RowdyRough: Lansydyr: GAT_00: Lansydyr: the silent Christians

Words



Yeah, I completely agree, I think, honestly, it's money, megachurches make oodles of bucks telling people that being racist is christian, being intolerant is christian, being antiscience and progun and all manner of other moronic things is christian. The legalists were right when they attacked liberal churches in the 50's. The message of liberal churches isn't too exciting, go out and be good people, show people Jesus' love in your actions, etc.

There's no reason for them to change their message when, now, the masses are clamoring for it, and react very poorly to admonishment.
 
2012-02-05 04:07:45 AM
Smarmy F*ckwit Troll 2012-02-05 01:21:16 AM
(farky'd as: Hating Gays[6911485] AND Sex[6915987] AND Christianity[6923230]
it's about "helping" people live "better" lives)


so this thread will consist of blat blat blat Barrack Hussein N0bama
blat blat Bible blat justify his policies, blat blat blat conservatives
defending blat Congressman for blat fart blat out on it?

//we're through the blat blat here people.



i.imgur.com

I think it's time for you to STFU and leave, boy.
 
2012-02-05 04:10:06 AM

The Why Not Guy: Phocas: Viciously insulting a given demographic removes your right to complain when they retaliate.

Hi there. I'm a homosexual, or as your fellow Christians often - not at all viciously - call me, an abomination in God's eyes., a sinner, a degenerate. Nice to meet you.

It looks like you're feeling a bit persecuted over there. I can relate! Wasn't it just awful when they introduced that Constitutional amendment banning Christians from getting married? I mean, talk about... what's that? Oh right, it was the Christians who introduced the amendment to keep gays from getting married. Well, there's still the crowds of people standing outside churches and screaming at the scared, confused people trying to enter. Absolutely disgusting, wouldn't you... what's that? Oh yes, it was Christians screaming at young girls going into Planned Parenthood. My bad! Well, let's see... that still leaves the people who wish you happy holidays. Inhumane, I tell you!

From where I stand, Christians in the United States are on the giving end when it comes to persecution. And no, it's not fair to lump all Christians together, but if you get ticked off when I do that, imagine how I feel when a group of Christians is spending obscene amounts of time and money trying to prevent me from living my life as I see fit.


What color would your prefer your favorite tag to have? Because I think somebody just gave someone a nice heaping dose of reality.
 
2012-02-05 04:10:22 AM

Phocas: Viciously insulting a given demographic ("I refer to the lot of you as worthless bigots who are a stain on society" etc.) removes your right to complain when they retaliate


What does this mean?
 
2012-02-05 04:12:19 AM

Kittypie070: Smarmy F*ckwit Troll 2012-02-05 01:21:16 AM
(farky'd as: Hating Gays[6911485] AND Sex[6915987] AND Christianity[6923230]
it's about "helping" people live "better" lives)

so this thread will consist of blat blat blat Barrack Hussein N0bama
blat blat Bible blat justify his policies, blat blat blat conservatives
defending blat Congressman for blat fart blat out on it?

//we're through the blat blat here people.


[i.imgur.com image 500x243]

I think it's time for you to STFU and leave, boy.


Well spoken. And probably why I have you favorited.
 
2012-02-05 04:17:54 AM

Kittypie070: Smarmy F*ckwit Troll 2012-02-05 01:21:16 AM
(farky'd as: Hating Gays[6911485] AND Sex[6915987] AND Christianity[6923230]
it's about "helping" people live "better" lives)

so this thread will consist of blat blat blat Barrack Hussein N0bama
blat blat Bible blat justify his policies, blat blat blat conservatives
defending blat Congressman for blat fart blat out on it?

//we're through the blat blat here people.


[i.imgur.com image 500x243]

I think it's time for you to STFU and leave, boy.


I'm sure he wants millions of his countrymen to die and his President to fail because he just loves America so much. and he thinks it's perfectly fine for his betters to send millions of jobs overseas and stuff cash in their pockets as middle-class families lose their homes, as long as the men responsible are wearing flag pins and singing "America the Beautiful" as often as they can.
 
2012-02-05 04:36:03 AM
If only brainf*ckery like that was a lethal disease, like Captain Trips.

Maybe like Cap'n Trips plus leprosy.
 
2012-02-05 04:40:50 AM
A true Christian would never (mis)use scripture to blindside opponents at a bipartisan breakfast.
 
2012-02-05 04:51:13 AM

Kittypie070: Smarmy F*ckwit Troll 2012-02-05 01:21:16 AM
(farky'd as: Hating Gays[6911485] AND Sex[6915987] AND Christianity[6923230]
it's about "helping" people live "better" lives)

so this thread will consist of blat blat blat Barrack Hussein N0bama
blat blat Bible blat justify his policies, blat blat blat conservatives
defending blat Congressman for blat fart blat out on it?

//we're through the blat blat here people.


[i.imgur.com image 500x243]

I think it's time for you to STFU and leave, boy.


Oh wow, LOL...socialist domestic policies. So I suppose this retard is home schooled? Yeah I know it probably has not gone past the 6th grade, but still. Thats 6 grades of socialism. So about that study linking low IQ and conservatism....anyone still want to argue that one?

I bet there is a quite a lot of these retard right wingers who would love nothing more than to see 15 million dead to prove their point. And when it comes time to pick up their SOCIAL security checks and it doesn't arrive on time, I bet they will blame the liberals for that too.
 
2012-02-05 04:57:49 AM

Smelly McUgly:
That will take years and years and years, but it is happening. It's either that, or the religion dies out altogether when it isn't relevant to the sensibilities of a people who have culturally evolved. It's evolve or die for the churches.


This process has been going on for a few hundred years I think. It's a slow process. Each generation is typically less religious than the previous, barring the more volatile immigrants that refuse to assimilate in America or Europe. (those guys are doomed to suffer where ever they go as long as they hold on to the customs that made their original countries terrible)

There's interesting stories about the various Christian sects joining together to gain power in mid 20th century America. Right now atheists and agnostics outnumber the religious if you keep the sects separate. For example, Catholics and Protestants are both "Christian" in those pie charts. They share the common goal of hating the atheists and anything else that might limit their power.


Also, something of a tangent:
I have trouble respecting these "liberal, pro-gay rights, pro-choice" Christians/Muslims/etc when they say they're "not like the majority". They just ignore a different part of their rulebook. Religion does not evolve. They're as much "true Christians" as this joker of a congressman.
 
2012-02-05 05:16:07 AM

God-is-a-Taco: I have trouble respecting these "liberal, pro-gay rights, pro-choice" Christians/Muslims/etc when they say they're "not like the majority". They just ignore a different part of their rulebook. Religion does not evolve. They're as much "true Christians" as this joker of a congressman.



It's true. Right around the time I realized that I was pro-choice, pro-gay rights and socially liberal in general, I realized that any God opposed to these ideas was no God at all. Athiesm is the only way. As a once very devout catholic I revel in throwing scripture back in the face of prosperity doctrine "christians"

/Hey farkers, God loves Abortion. How's that feel?
 
2012-02-05 05:23:03 AM

Smelly McUgly: Satanic_Hamster:

Then you have to consider other Western countries with sizable of Christian practitioners that are waaaay over the non-issue of gay marriage, universal health care, etc., etc.



as someone who witnessed a 15,000+ strong pro-life protest two weeks ago in Paris, i'm getting a kick out of this reply
 
2012-02-05 05:34:46 AM
i'm a nonbeleiver these days, mostly for family reasons which i'm not getting into here.

i grew up in NYC in a liberal yet somewhat religious household. my church was Lutheran, where the message was always one of social justice. it was pro-life, but it was not the main concern. helping the poor and conserving the Earth was its goal.

I would also like to add that anyone who thinks that religion and politics should not be intertwined in this country is ignorant of US history. Until the 1920s the Evangelical movement in the US was a progressive movement. a lot of worker, consumer, and environmental protections we have today would not be possible without them.

the civil rights movement after world war two would not have been possible either without religion.
 
2012-02-05 05:35:55 AM
RandomExcess 2012-02-05 04:40:50 AM

[either trolling or an idiot]
 
2012-02-05 05:36:20 AM

Smelly McUgly: skepticultist: Phocas: How exactly would you recommend we "smack them down"?


Well, GAT is outraged by every Christian ever, to be fair.



No, he's outraged at every Christian living in America in 2012. Very big difference. Christianity in America in 2012 is something to be ashamed of. Don't like it? Change it. If the majority of Christians the rest of us bump into in our daily lives were decent people who supported the idea of treating others as you'd like to be treated yourself, then the reputation of Christianity in America wouldn't be so horrible.
 
2012-02-05 05:39:59 AM
I love my weapons. I have more.
 
2012-02-05 05:41:52 AM
We get it, he's black.
 
2012-02-05 06:15:48 AM

GAT_00: Hey look at this, yet another Christian acting as I expect them to. To the rest of you Christians, the ones who always get so mad when I refer to the lot of you as worthless bigots who are a stain on society - I point out yet another example, we get at least one daily, that proves this is the reality of your religion. You have no value. Maybe it really is what you claim, that there are millions of you out there who are good people, but I see no good from you on a daily basis. I see people like these, people like the ones in Michele Bachmann's district who were proud, PROUD, they drove teenagers to suicide in the name of Jesus. You are responsible for these people, because you have not smacked them down.

This is the face of Christianity. Bigotry, child molestation, and simple hatred of anyone who doesn't conform exactly to their ideals. The entire world would be better off without the lot of you.


Pot, meet kettle.
 
2012-02-05 06:23:24 AM
I hope all those Freepers who predicted the destruction of America when Obama was taking office are jumping off bridges in fear or using all those guns and ammo they stocked up on on themselves. These people still think what America needs is 8 more years of a George Bush administration. They're a bigger threat to democracy than any Iraqi or Afghani.
 
2012-02-05 06:31:29 AM

Animatronik: GAT_00: Hey look at this, yet another Christian acting as I expect them to. To the rest of you Christians, the ones who always get so mad when I refer to the lot of you as worthless bigots who are a stain on society - I point out yet another example, we get at least one daily, that proves this is the reality of your religion. You have no value. Maybe it really is what you claim, that there are millions of you out there who are good people, but I see no good from you on a daily basis. I see people like these, people like the ones in Michele Bachmann's district who were proud, PROUD, they drove teenagers to suicide in the name of Jesus. You are responsible for these people, because you have not smacked them down.

This is the face of Christianity. Bigotry, child molestation, and simple hatred of anyone who doesn't conform exactly to their ideals. The entire world would be better off without the lot of you.

Well according to you, kid, Obama is either worthless or a lying hypocrite who says prayers for show. I do wish you'd make up your mind.

And for TFA-
I don't think Jesus meant ppl should consider their duty done by paying higher taxes at the point of Caesar's sword.


No you idiot, he meant pay whatever Caesar demands of you to pay, it's his money anyway. Jesus was a communist.
 
2012-02-05 06:35:00 AM

iq_in_binary:
No you idiot, he meant pay whatever Caesar demands of you to pay, it's his money anyway. Jesus was a communist.


That's impossible. According to the Republican party, Fox News and the US military, Jesus is a believer in supply side trickle down economics, low taxes, little help for the poor, colonial wars for resources, and the worship of the rich ruling class.
 
2012-02-05 06:44:27 AM

iq_in_binary: Animatronik: GAT_00: Hey look at this, yet another Christian acting as I expect them to. To the rest of you Christians, the ones who always get so mad when I refer to the lot of you as worthless bigots who are a stain on society - I point out yet another example, we get at least one daily, that proves this is the reality of your religion. You have no value. Maybe it really is what you claim, that there are millions of you out there who are good people, but I see no good from you on a daily basis. I see people like these, people like the ones in Michele Bachmann's district who were proud, PROUD, they drove teenagers to suicide in the name of Jesus. You are responsible for these people, because you have not smacked them down.

This is the face of Christianity. Bigotry, child molestation, and simple hatred of anyone who doesn't conform exactly to their ideals. The entire world would be better off without the lot of you.

Well according to you, kid, Obama is either worthless or a lying hypocrite who says prayers for show. I do wish you'd make up your mind.

And for TFA-
I don't think Jesus meant ppl should consider their duty done by paying higher taxes at the point of Caesar's sword.

No you idiot, he meant pay whatever Caesar demands of you to pay, it's his money anyway. Jesus was a communist.


One sentence out of an entire book and you conclude that? Why not examine the entire book (new window)?

/agnostic
//don't care either way
 
2012-02-05 06:48:26 AM

DrPainMD: Pot, meet kettle.


True. But which side is acting on that hate? I don't recall spending time or money in an effort to take rights away from Christians. The worst thing I've done is wish them happy holidays, which they apparently consider an act of war. I was just trying to be friendly.
 
2012-02-05 06:58:52 AM

DrPainMD: One sentence out of an entire book and you conclude that? Why not examine the entire book (new window)?

/agnostic
//don't care either way


That article was hilarious.
 
2012-02-05 07:06:26 AM
Call me a cynic, but I suspect he may have planned to walk out before he even walked in.
 
2012-02-05 07:06:28 AM

DrPainMD: iq_in_binary: Animatronik: GAT_00: Hey look at this, yet another Christian acting as I expect them to. To the rest of you Christians, the ones who always get so mad when I refer to the lot of you as worthless bigots who are a stain on society - I point out yet another example, we get at least one daily, that proves this is the reality of your religion. You have no value. Maybe it really is what you claim, that there are millions of you out there who are good people, but I see no good from you on a daily basis. I see people like these, people like the ones in Michele Bachmann's district who were proud, PROUD, they drove teenagers to suicide in the name of Jesus. You are responsible for these people, because you have not smacked them down.

This is the face of Christianity. Bigotry, child molestation, and simple hatred of anyone who doesn't conform exactly to their ideals. The entire world would be better off without the lot of you.

Well according to you, kid, Obama is either worthless or a lying hypocrite who says prayers for show. I do wish you'd make up your mind.

And for TFA-
I don't think Jesus meant ppl should consider their duty done by paying higher taxes at the point of Caesar's sword.

No you idiot, he meant pay whatever Caesar demands of you to pay, it's his money anyway. Jesus was a communist.

One sentence out of an entire book and you conclude that? Why not examine the entire book (new window)?

/agnostic
//don't care either way


Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Provide proof that Jesus was not a Communist. Never was there a solicitation for proof that he wasn't Socialist.

The author you just tried to plug shamelessly takes advantage of the difference between the two to try and sell books while also pushing his ideology which conveniently ignores the most important part of Jesus' teachings.
 
2012-02-05 07:13:23 AM

Halli: DrPainMD: One sentence out of an entire book and you conclude that? Why not examine the entire book (new window)?

/agnostic
//don't care either way

That article was hilarious.


Article? North wrote a series of books, totalling 10,000 pages, analyzing the bible from an economic perspective. Available for free (follow the links). What's hilarious is concluding that jesus was a communist because he said to pay taxes.
 
2012-02-05 07:14:16 AM

Smelly McUgly: What you see right now is a party that is slowly marginalizing itself by letting the most radical Christian practitioners run the show.


What I see is someone using their prejudice against Christians for their own use, while purposely ignoring that Christians do not belong to just one political party of the United States. What these folks on the right propose is not even Christian, despite their use of the label. However, enough other people in the thread have posted to that subject, so just open your eyes.
 
2012-02-05 07:15:00 AM

iq_in_binary: Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Provide proof that Jesus was not a Communist. Never was there a solicitation for proof that he wasn't Socialist.

The author you just tried to plug shamelessly takes advantage of the difference between the two to try and sell books while also pushing his ideology which conveniently ignores the most important part of Jesus' teachings.


You've read the entire 10,000 pages? No? How about 1 page?
 
2012-02-05 07:16:34 AM
PS. The books are available for free as PDF files.
 
2012-02-05 07:40:04 AM

DrPainMD: iq_in_binary: Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Provide proof that Jesus was not a Communist. Never was there a solicitation for proof that he wasn't Socialist.

The author you just tried to plug shamelessly takes advantage of the difference between the two to try and sell books while also pushing his ideology which conveniently ignores the most important part of Jesus' teachings.

You've read the entire 10,000 pages? No? How about 1 page?


Which version? The "I don't want to put up with this biatch anymore" version? Or the "We would like to see a more efficient way with which to conscript an army" version? Or would you perhaps be referring to the "Let's figure out which books will get the polytheists and the Monotheists on the same page" bible. Of course only the latter two would even be possible considering I don't speak Greek or Aramaic or Biblical Hebrew.

Would you like an enumerated list of how many pages I've read of all the currently common distributed versions? I'll have to admit I've only broke the covers of 3 out of the current 15 in common circulation here in the US. All of which is pretty moot because the originals were in languages that maybe a dozen or so people can speak concurrently today.

"The Bible" in the end is a multimillennium game of telephone when it gets down to it. So I may be wrong when I say Jesus is a communist, everything that he is quoted as having been said has gone through so many god damned translations that it's really impossible to know. But I can look at the gist of things, and his actions as agreed upon by experts on the subject that go so far as to write their own translation and say with fair confidence that Jesus was indeed a communist.

You should be spending more time trying to prove he wasn't. When you can find it you can sell it to practically any museum in the world for a lot of money.
 
2012-02-05 07:46:30 AM

Mike_LowELL: GAT_00: Hey look at this, yet another Christian acting as I expect them to. To the rest of you Christians, the ones who always get so mad when I refer to the lot of you as worthless bigots who are a stain on society - I point out yet another example, we get at least one daily, that proves this is the reality of your religion. You have no value. Maybe it really is what you claim, that there are millions of you out there who are good people, but I see no good from you on a daily basis. I see people like these, people like the ones in Michele Bachmann's district who were proud, PROUD, they drove teenagers to suicide in the name of Jesus. You are responsible for these people, because you have not smacked them down.

Romney: 538
Obama: 0

Deal with it.


This is instance 2,538 of me being caught in mid-eyeroll by seeing "Mike_LowELL" and saying, "DOH!"
 
2012-02-05 07:47:26 AM

iq_in_binary: DrPainMD: iq_in_binary: Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Provide proof that Jesus was not a Communist. Never was there a solicitation for proof that he wasn't Socialist.

The author you just tried to plug shamelessly takes advantage of the difference between the two to try and sell books while also pushing his ideology which conveniently ignores the most important part of Jesus' teachings.

You've read the entire 10,000 pages? No? How about 1 page?

Which version? The "I don't want to put up with this biatch anymore" version? Or the "We would like to see a more efficient way with which to conscript an army" version? Or would you perhaps be referring to the "Let's figure out which books will get the polytheists and the Monotheists on the same page" bible. Of course only the latter two would even be possible considering I don't speak Greek or Aramaic or Biblical Hebrew.

Would you like an enumerated list of how many pages I've read of all the currently common distributed versions? I'll have to admit I've only broke the covers of 3 out of the current 15 in common circulation here in the US. All of which is pretty moot because the originals were in languages that maybe a dozen or so people can speak concurrently today.

"The Bible" in the end is a multimillennium game of telephone when it gets down to it. So I may be wrong when I say Jesus is a communist, everything that he is quoted as having been said has gone through so many god damned translations that it's really impossible to know. But I can look at the gist of things, and his actions as agreed upon by experts on the subject that go so far as to write their own translation and say with fair confidence that Jesus was indeed a communist.

You should be spending more time trying to prove he wasn't. When you can find it you can sell it to practically any museum in the world for a lot of money.


I wasn't asking if you've read the bible (it's not 10,000 pages... that should have been the first hint).
 
2012-02-05 07:49:49 AM
Hey I just had a brainwave. Maybe this congressman can get himself elected president, and then he can hold his own presidential breakfast prayers. Then he can decide what to say and not to say.

It just came to me, like a bolt from the blue.
 
2012-02-05 07:53:28 AM
Tough to say what political affiliation Jesus held because they hadn't been invented or formally described during His lifetime. He has been described as living his later years in a communal style and seemed to give high esteem to the idea of communion. In most parables He behaves like a liberal. It would be hard to categorize Him as a capitalist since the current economy was a rather free market yet he did not really participate in those activities whatsoever. He's kind of an anarchist.
Yet He explicitly and often refers to himself as a King. King of Kings in fact, and He claims to derive that title from His lineage. I have no reason not to take Him at His Word and believe politically He is a totalitarian genealogical autocrat. Which makes sense to me as it was the style of the time. But of course others may think He was just lying. He was after all convicted of this very crime by His peers.
 
2012-02-05 07:54:58 AM

DrPainMD: Halli: DrPainMD: One sentence out of an entire book and you conclude that? Why not examine the entire book (new window)?

/agnostic
//don't care either way

That article was hilarious.

Article? North wrote a series of books, totalling 10,000 pages, analyzing the bible from an economic perspective. Available for free (follow the links). What's hilarious is concluding that jesus was a communist because he said to pay taxes.


Yes a lot of nutjobs write a lot of things.
 
2012-02-05 07:59:30 AM

Ablejack: Tough to say what political affiliation Jesus held because they hadn't been invented or formally described during His lifetime. He has been described as living his later years in a communal style and seemed to give high esteem to the idea of communion. In most parables He behaves like a liberal. It would be hard to categorize Him as a capitalist since the current economy was a rather free market yet he did not really participate in those activities whatsoever. He's kind of an anarchist.
Yet He explicitly and often refers to himself as a King. King of Kings in fact, and He claims to derive that title from His lineage. I have no reason not to take Him at His Word and believe politically He is a totalitarian genealogical autocrat. Which makes sense to me as it was the style of the time. But of course others may think He was just lying. He was after all convicted of this very crime by His peers.


Of all the things in the gospels I would love to hear Jesus comment on, his "pedigree" in Matthew and Luke is my favorite. I think he would have "laughed it to scorn." I think he would have said, "Way to totally not get the point."
 
2012-02-05 08:08:21 AM
You go around telling poor people that they deserve a fair share, pretty soon the Gingriches and Romneys of the world will nail YOU to a tree too.
 
2012-02-05 08:10:45 AM

Halli: DrPainMD: Halli: DrPainMD: One sentence out of an entire book and you conclude that? Why not examine the entire book (new window)?

/agnostic
//don't care either way

That article was hilarious.

Article? North wrote a series of books, totalling 10,000 pages, analyzing the bible from an economic perspective. Available for free (follow the links). What's hilarious is concluding that jesus was a communist because he said to pay taxes.

Yes a lot of nutjobs write a lot of things.


I agree. Only a nutjob would conclude that jesus was a communist based on one quote about paying taxes.
 
2012-02-05 08:16:42 AM

GAT_00: Lansydyr: the silent Christians

You know, as best as I can tell, you don't exist. If there really are as many of you as the few who claim to represent a silent majority usually indicate, why don't you slap these people down publicly? That never happens. There is apparently a majority of Christians who are appalled by things like this, but simply can't be bothered to give enough of a fark to get it to stop. That makes you no better than them.

It's like the actual conservative Republicans. They don't exist anymore, and I have no reason not to treat the average Christian as being someone like this, because experience and all available evidence has told me the actual Christian is a very, very small minority.


Because Jesus already covered (new window) how to view the loudmouths.

(in particular Matthew 6:5 (new window))
 
2012-02-05 08:16:58 AM

DrPainMD: I agree. Only a nutjob would conclude that jesus was a communist based on one quote about paying taxes.


Who was saying he was a communist?

But how does his stance on bankers comply with a laissez-fare economy?
 
2012-02-05 08:18:40 AM
 
2012-02-05 08:22:01 AM
i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-05 08:24:58 AM

DrPainMD: iq_in_binary: DrPainMD: iq_in_binary: Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Provide proof that Jesus was not a Communist. Never was there a solicitation for proof that he wasn't Socialist.

The author you just tried to plug shamelessly takes advantage of the difference between the two to try and sell books while also pushing his ideology which conveniently ignores the most important part of Jesus' teachings.

You've read the entire 10,000 pages? No? How about 1 page?

Which version? The "I don't want to put up with this biatch anymore" version? Or the "We would like to see a more efficient way with which to conscript an army" version? Or would you perhaps be referring to the "Let's figure out which books will get the polytheists and the Monotheists on the same page" bible. Of course only the latter two would even be possible considering I don't speak Greek or Aramaic or Biblical Hebrew.

Would you like an enumerated list of how many pages I've read of all the currently common distributed versions? I'll have to admit I've only broke the covers of 3 out of the current 15 in common circulation here in the US. All of which is pretty moot because the originals were in languages that maybe a dozen or so people can speak concurrently today.

"The Bible" in the end is a multimillennium game of telephone when it gets down to it. So I may be wrong when I say Jesus is a communist, everything that he is quoted as having been said has gone through so many god damned translations that it's really impossible to know. But I can look at the gist of things, and his actions as agreed upon by experts on the subject that go so far as to write their own translation and say with fair confidence that Jesus was indeed a communist.

You should be spending more time trying to prove he wasn't. When you can find it you can sell it to practically any museum in the world for a lot of money.

I wasn't asking if you've read the bible (it's not 10,000 pages... that should have been the fir ...


Should have asked somebody who was ignorant of the subject, then.

The "Bible" you refer to has historically referred to over 300 "books" and is a compilation of so many scrolls, tablets, scribblings on cave walls, spoken word traditions and other methods of passing on history to future generations that 10,000 pages would be a conservative guess as to the actual depth of the "Document."

When you start to get serious about theological discussion, 10,000 pages is a pretty significant number, so much so that one of the most popular alternative rock bands with ties into the whole theological discussion decided to name a record 10,000 days to be ironic about the whole thing in truly douchebag fashion to be "Hip."

If you do not know of which I speak, you are clearly out of touch with the culture of the argument.
 
2012-02-05 08:29:11 AM
The gall here is just unbelievable. It is wrong, just completely wrong, to use religion to advance a political agenda. Who does Obama think he is?
 
2012-02-05 08:30:05 AM

iq_in_binary: DrPainMD: iq_in_binary: DrPainMD: iq_in_binary: Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. Provide proof that Jesus was not a Communist. Never was there a solicitation for proof that he wasn't Socialist.

The author you just tried to plug shamelessly takes advantage of the difference between the two to try and sell books while also pushing his ideology which conveniently ignores the most important part of Jesus' teachings.

You've read the entire 10,000 pages? No? How about 1 page?

Which version? The "I don't want to put up with this biatch anymore" version? Or the "We would like to see a more efficient way with which to conscript an army" version? Or would you perhaps be referring to the "Let's figure out which books will get the polytheists and the Monotheists on the same page" bible. Of course only the latter two would even be possible considering I don't speak Greek or Aramaic or Biblical Hebrew.

Would you like an enumerated list of how many pages I've read of all the currently common distributed versions? I'll have to admit I've only broke the covers of 3 out of the current 15 in common circulation here in the US. All of which is pretty moot because the originals were in languages that maybe a dozen or so people can speak concurrently today.

"The Bible" in the end is a multimillennium game of telephone when it gets down to it. So I may be wrong when I say Jesus is a communist, everything that he is quoted as having been said has gone through so many god damned translations that it's really impossible to know. But I can look at the gist of things, and his actions as agreed upon by experts on the subject that go so far as to write their own translation and say with fair confidence that Jesus was indeed a communist.

You should be spending more time trying to prove he wasn't. When you can find it you can sell it to practically any museum in the world for a lot of money.

I wasn't asking if you've read the bible (it's not 10,000 pages... that should have be ...


You do realize that this is a deflection about discussion on the foundations of Jesus' teaching about loving kindness, charity, and compassion, right? Ultimately, this is chasing the discussion away from the gist of the thread...
 
2012-02-05 08:37:24 AM

aselene: The gall here is just unbelievable. It is wrong, just completely wrong, to use religion to advance a political agenda. Who does Obama think he is?


***funny****
 
2012-02-05 08:44:31 AM
Matthew 6 pisses Republicans off. it totally destroys their blasphemous "prosperity gospel" they use to deify selfishness and greed.
 
2012-02-05 08:46:35 AM
Transcript:http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/2012/02/0 2/president- obama-speaks-2012-national-prayer-breakfast#transcript
Excerpt:
I'd be remiss if I stopped there; if my values were limited to personal moments of prayer or private conversations with pastors or friends. So instead, I must try -- imperfectly, but I must try -- to make sure those values motivate me as one leader of this great nation.

And so when I talk about our financial institutions playing by the same rules as folks on Main Street, when I talk about making sure insurance companies aren't discriminating against those who are already sick, or making sure that unscrupulous lenders aren't taking advantage of the most vulnerable among us, I do so because I genuinely believe it will make the economy stronger for everybody. But I also do it because I know that far too many neighbors in our country have been hurt and treated unfairly over the last few years, and I believe in God's command to "love thy neighbor as thyself." I know the version of that Golden Rule is found in every major religion and every set of beliefs -- from Hinduism to Islam to Judaism to the writings of Plato.

And when I talk about shared responsibility, it's because I genuinely believe that in a time when many folks are struggling, at a time when we have enormous deficits, it's hard for me to ask seniors on a fixed income, or young people with student loans, or middle-class families who can barely pay the bills to shoulder the burden alone. And I think to myself, if I'm willing to give something up as somebody who's been extraordinarily blessed, and give up some of the tax breaks that I enjoy, I actually think that's going to make economic sense.

But for me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus's teaching that "for unto whom much is given, much shall be required." It mirrors the Islamic belief that those who've been blessed have an obligation to use those blessings to help others, or the Jewish doctrine of moderation and consideration for others.

When I talk about giving every American a fair shot at opportunity, it's because I believe that when a young person can afford a college education, or someone who's been unemployed suddenly has a chance to retrain for a job and regain that sense of dignity and pride, and contributing to the community as well as supporting their families -- that helps us all prosper.

It means maybe that research lab on the cusp of a lifesaving discovery, or the company looking for skilled workers is going to do a little bit better, and we'll all do better as a consequence. It makes economic sense. But part of that belief comes from my faith in the idea that I am my brother's keeper and I am my sister's keeper; that as a country, we rise and fall together. I'm not an island. I'm not alone in my success. I succeed because others succeed with me.

And when I decide to stand up for foreign aid, or prevent atrocities in places like Uganda, or take on issues like human trafficking, it's not just about strengthening alliances, or promoting democratic values, or projecting American leadership around the world, although it does all those things and it will make us safer and more secure. It's also about the biblical call to care for the least of these -- for the poor; for those at the margins of our society.

To answer the responsibility we're given in Proverbs to "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute." And for others, it may reflect the Jewish belief that the highest form of charity is to do our part to help others stand on their own.

Treating others as you want to be treated. Requiring much from those who have been given so much. Living by the principle that we are our brother's keeper. Caring for the poor and those in need. These values are old. They can be found in many denominations and many faiths, among many believers and among many non-believers. And they are values that have always made this country great -- when we live up to them; when we don't just give lip service to them; when we don't just talk about them one day a year. And they're the ones that have defined my own faith journey.

And today, with as many challenges as we face, these are the values I believe we're going to have to return to in the hopes that God will buttress our efforts.

Now, we can earnestly seek to see these values lived out in our politics and our policies, and we can earnestly disagree on the best way to achieve these values. In the words of C.S. Lewis, "Christianity has not, and does not profess to have a detailed political program. It is meant for all men at all times, and the particular program which suited one place or time would not suit another."

Our goal should not be to declare our policies as biblical. It is God who is infallible, not us. Michelle reminds me of this often. (Laughter.) So instead, it is our hope that people of goodwill can pursue their values and common ground and the common good as best they know how, with respect for each other. And I have to say that sometimes we talk about respect, but we don't act with respect towards each other during the course of these debates.
 
2012-02-05 08:47:53 AM

GAT_00: Hey look at this, yet another Christian acting as I expect them to. To the rest of you Christians, the ones who always get so mad when I refer to the lot of you as worthless bigots who are a stain on society - I point out yet another example, we get at least one daily, that proves this is the reality of your religion. You have no value. Maybe it really is what you claim, that there are millions of you out there who are good people, but I see no good from you on a daily basis. I see people like these, people like the ones in Michele Bachmann's district who were proud, PROUD, they drove teenagers to suicide in the name of Jesus. You are responsible for these people, because you have not smacked them down.

This is the face of Christianity. Bigotry, child molestation, and simple hatred of anyone who doesn't conform exactly to their ideals. The entire world would be better off without the lot of you.


I cannot argue against this line of reasoning. So called "Christians" are the root of a lot of evil in this country. However, I would like to share something with you. I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic High School. All the old hard sell of religion turned me off to the entire idea and I thought I was atheist. My parents are good people who you would never even know where religious. They take that whole "pray to thy Father which is in secret" seriously. And I was never abused by a priest. But the hypocrisy ruined it all for me.

11 years after I stopped going to church my wife and I were going through a rough patch and she suggested we go to church. Something was missing in my life and I didn't know what, so I agreed more out of curiosity than anything else. We ended up going to a small, poor baptist church that was only a half mile from our house. I won't go into a lengthy sales pitch but I was shocked at how much charity work they did. The first 30 minutes of every mass is the pastor asking if everyone is alright and if not what the church can do to help them. This one guy lost his job and there were all these people offering help so his family would be taken care of. Needless to say I was blown away.

Now I know what you're thinking when I said Baptist. But I guess this is what you call one of those Northern Liberal Baptist churches. There is no hate in any sermon. In fact the pastor (a woman) has chastised those other "religious" people for their hate. All are welcome. No one is turned away. It is a place for good people. Where the more fortunate help the less fortunate. Every dollar you give the church you get to say where it goes and they do not question you. It is unlike anywhere I've ever been before. This was not about raising money so the Pope could buy a new hat. This was people genuinely living the teachings of Jesus.

And let's be honest, those teachings are universal. Forgiveness, compassion, honesty. So I found myself attending this church. Not every week but often enough. I still don't know if I believe in God. I'm not egoistical enough to think I have all the answers. But these people remind me of the person I should be. The person I want to be. And after every mass I feel better. I can however say that if all christian churches were like mine you would probably have a different tune. Now I'll be the first to say you do not need Jesus in your life to be a good and moral person. But hope everyone someday is lucky enough to find a place where at least for an hour a week turn your back on all the hate and bigotry in this world.
 
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