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(Some Guy)   Obama's Dilemma: how to dissuade Israel from bombing Iran without alienating pro-Israeli voters in November. So, the Obama admin has told Israel that the U.S. won't support an attack on Iran... quietly   (ipsnews.net) divider line 247
    More: Followup, Israelis, Iran, United States, Obama administration, CIA Director Leon Panetta, absence of evidence, Mark Regev, Bob Schieffer  
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MBK [TotalFark]
2012-02-04 07:07:43 PM
WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER GODDAMN WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST

fark.
 
2012-02-04 07:11:06 PM
Subby! Shhhhh!
 
2012-02-04 08:11:06 PM
OK, we attack Iran. Then what? The warmongers never mention what happens on day 2.
 
2012-02-04 08:33:32 PM

Bucky Katt: OK, we attack Iran. Then what? The warmongers never mention what happens on day 2.


Because nobody ever told them there would be consequences and they can't think for themselves.
 
2012-02-04 08:42:08 PM

Bucky Katt: OK, we attack Iran. Then what? The warmongers never mention what happens on day 2.


step 3 is profit.
 
2012-02-04 09:15:03 PM
Jesus will only come back after Armegeddon, so lets start a nuclear war in the Middle East.
 
2012-02-04 10:10:02 PM

Bucky Katt: OK, we attack Iran. Then what? The warmongers never mention what happens on day 2.



That's when Putin plays his hand.
 
2012-02-04 10:24:50 PM
FTA: "The message carried by Dempsey was the first explicit statement to the Netanyahu government that the United States would not defend Israel if it attacked Iran unilaterally. But Defence Secretary Leon Panetta had given a clear hint in an interview on "Face the Nation" Jan. 8 that the Obama administration would not help defend Israel in a war against Iran that Israel had initiated."

Okay, so what if Iran "attacked" FIRST?

Suddenly this seems quite relevant:

Exclusive: Israel Warns US Jews: Iran Could Strike Here

www.theflagshop.co.uk

See this flag? It looks real, but sometimes it's hard to tell if it really Isreal.
 
2012-02-04 10:36:03 PM
fark Israel. We don't owe them nothing. (At least, nothing good.)
 
2012-02-04 11:26:20 PM
Its very difficult to keep 60 year old technology from people who really want it.
 
2012-02-04 11:39:35 PM

vernonFL: Its very difficult to keep 60 year old technology from people who really want it.



Except that they aren't pursuing it, and haven't been pursuing it since 2003, and everyone farking knows it.


FTA: "But the Israeli government remains defiant about maintaining its freedom of action to make war on Iran, and it is counting on the influence of right-wing extremist views in U.S. politics to bring pressure to bear on Obama to fall into line with a possible Israeli attack during the election campaign this fall.

Obama still appears reluctant to break publicly and explicitly with Israel over its threat of military aggression against Iran, even in the absence of evidence Iran has decided to build a nuclear weapon. "



Panetta previously echoed these sentiments: There is no evidence that Iran is currently pursuing the bomb.

All of the aggressive posturing and action has come from the US (crippling sanctions) and from Israel (sabotage, assassinations, threats of imminent unilateral attack), with other nations drifting along.

Any move against Iran at this point by either Israel or the US is blatantly unjustified, and everyone knows it. Israel's best hope is that Iran will do "something stupid".


/Double check those flags, folks
 
2012-02-04 11:39:51 PM
DILEMMA
 
2012-02-04 11:44:35 PM
Obama-Netanyahu Relations
Tension between Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu may be complicating communications on the issue, a U.S. defense official said. "There's no love lost between the two of them, and there's a trust deficit," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak to the news media.
Defense officials have been concerned that Obama hasn't warned Netanyahu directly enough about the risks of a Israeli preemptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, including for U.S. interests in the region such as bases in in Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar, according to the official.

Point-Counterpoint
Israel Is Not Going to Attack Iran

Panetta report fuels concerns that Israel will attack Iran



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Source
 
2012-02-04 11:44:41 PM
Gets out ouija board and other seance paraphernalia. Starts to chant......bring us czarangelus........bring us czarangelus............bring him from the dark shadows of the banned and have his spirit join us in this thread.
 
2012-02-05 12:42:30 AM
b-b-but for the last 20 years Iran has been within a year of the bomb!!1!

Won't somebody please think of the Israelis??

/Fark you, Israel - if you start something, be prepared to finish it alone.
 
2012-02-05 12:53:21 AM

Bucky Katt: OK, we attack Iran. Then what? The warmongers never mention what happens on day 2.


The citizens greet us with flowers.
 
2012-02-05 12:53:51 AM
Israel never admitted how many nukes it has in its arsenal. Why the hell would anyone listen to them.
 
2012-02-05 12:54:37 AM
Look, we need to help Israel because if we do, then we get to ride the chariot made of chocolate and rainbows driven by Jesus. They did all the hard work by letting the Allies win World War II, they deserve a homeland of their choosing no matter what natives residing there might say.
 
2012-02-05 12:55:06 AM
If someone constantly screamed "Death to America, you will feel our wrath" how would you anti-Israel folks respond?

Really, the notion of self defense is older than, well, written history itself
 
2012-02-05 12:55:45 AM
I miss czarangleus... He was great fun once he got on a roll... But, what a flameout...
 
2012-02-05 12:58:07 AM
I have some news to those of you who have hopes that humanity will get off this rock:

We won't.

Why? Well, take a look at Israel and the warmongering being done. That's an example of why.

/Perhaps it's for the best.
 
2012-02-05 01:00:21 AM

cman: If someone constantly screamed "Death to America, you will feel our wrath" how would you anti-Israel folks respond?


not sure if serious.

/Iran has been screaming "Death to America" for 30 years.
 
2012-02-05 01:00:23 AM

cman: If someone constantly screamed "Death to America, you will feel our wrath" how would you anti-Israel folks respond?


Well, I don't think Americans would respond by demanding some other country to fight our wars for us.

Israel has the right to defend itself. It does not have the right to use American armed forces as a proxy for their own.
 
2012-02-05 01:00:23 AM
well of course Barrack HUSSEIN N0bama won't defend American interest in the Middle East.
 
2012-02-05 01:01:18 AM

cman: If someone constantly screamed "Death to America, you will feel our wrath" how would you anti-Israel folks respond?

Really, the notion of self defense is older than, well, written history itself


I'm a bit confused about the part where Israel is unable to defend itself.

It's got a pile of nukes in various places, including on cruise-missile armed subs which are effectively untouchable by Iran. A nuclear-based attack on Israel is a death sentence for the country that launched it.
 
2012-02-05 01:01:31 AM
inb4 tats
 
2012-02-05 01:02:18 AM

James F. Campbell: I have some news to those of you who have hopes that humanity will get off this rock:

We won't.

Why? Well, take a look at Israel and the warmongering being done. That's an example of why.

/Perhaps it's for the best.


I'm not saying it was aliens that developed that strategy to quarantine humans to earth...but, it was aliens.
 
2012-02-05 01:02:26 AM

Bucky Katt: OK, we attack Iran. Then what? The warmongers never mention what happens on day 2.


We'll be greeted as liberators? The war will pay for itself with cheap oil? We'll find those WMDs we know they have? Democracy will spread and peace will grip another nation?

Sorry. My right-wing talking point spewer malfunctioned there.
 
2012-02-05 01:03:29 AM

CitizensUnited: well of course Barrack HUSSEIN N0bama won't defend American interest in the Middle East.



Defend it against what?

Israel's unwarranted aggression against Iran?
 
2012-02-05 01:03:57 AM

BSABSVR: Bucky Katt: OK, we attack Iran. Then what? The warmongers never mention what happens on day 2.

The citizens greet us with flowers.


Actually, the Iranian people like America and Americans. Their government is out to lunch, but the people are pretty cool.
 
2012-02-05 01:04:00 AM

cman: If someone constantly screamed "Death to America, you will feel our wrath" how would you anti-Israel folks respond?

Really, the notion of self defense is older than, well, written history itself


How likely are they to be able to back up the threat? My neighbor's chihuahua goes apeshiat every time I get within about 10 feet of our shared fence. I don't give a shiat because chihuahua. Similarly, I don't lose sleep over what an Ayatollah 6,000 miles away says to appeal to the patriotism of the Iranians
 
2012-02-05 01:04:07 AM
The God Damned cake walk is a lie!
 
2012-02-05 01:04:07 AM

Amos Quito: vernonFL: Its very difficult to keep 60 year old technology from people who really want it.


Except that they aren't pursuing it, and haven't been pursuing it since 2003, and everyone farking knows it.




Then let's send up some recon drones to verify that. I'm sure that Iran would be glad to have their claims of innocence proven if they truly have nothing sinister to hide.

Oh, wait.......
 
2012-02-05 01:04:43 AM

Amos Quito: CitizensUnited: well of course Barrack HUSSEIN N0bama won't defend American interest in the Middle East.


Defend it against what?

Israel's unwarranted aggression against Iran?


Easy buddy, don't want to get labeled an anti-Semite.
 
2012-02-05 01:05:58 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: cman: If someone constantly screamed "Death to America, you will feel our wrath" how would you anti-Israel folks respond?

Really, the notion of self defense is older than, well, written history itself

I'm a bit confused about the part where Israel is unable to defend itself.

It's got a pile of nukes in various places, including on cruise-missile armed subs which are effectively untouchable by Iran. A nuclear-based attack on Israel is a death sentence for the country that launched it.


I didnt say that Israel could not take care of itself. I said that those who are anti-Israel dont really care about the threats that Iran is making.

vernonFL: cman: If someone constantly screamed "Death to America, you will feel our wrath" how would you anti-Israel folks respond?

not sure if serious.

/Iran has been screaming "Death to America" for 30 years.


I am serious

And this is what Osama bin Laden did. It took 3k lives for us to learn our lesson.

This is a country, a Government, who has significantly more resources then Al Qaeda. When someone makes a threat, it shouldnt be taken lightly (aren't I right, those who said 9/11 would not have happened under Gore because he would have taken it more seriously than Bush?)
 
2012-02-05 01:06:23 AM

TV's Vinnie: Amos Quito: vernonFL: Its very difficult to keep 60 year old technology from people who really want it.


Except that they aren't pursuing it, and haven't been pursuing it since 2003, and everyone farking knows it.



Then let's send up some recon drones to verify that. I'm sure that Iran would be glad to have their claims of innocence proven if they truly have nothing sinister to hide.

Oh, wait.......


bedazzled.blogs.com
 
2012-02-05 01:06:43 AM

BSABSVR: cman: If someone constantly screamed "Death to America, you will feel our wrath" how would you anti-Israel folks respond?

Really, the notion of self defense is older than, well, written history itself

How likely are they to be able to back up the threat? My neighbor's chihuahua goes apeshiat every time I get within about 10 feet of our shared fence. I don't give a shiat because chihuahua. Similarly, I don't lose sleep over what an Ayatollah 6,000 miles away says to appeal to the patriotism of the Iranians


19 men killed 3k citizens with box cutters. Given time they will come up with creative ways.
 
2012-02-05 01:06:46 AM

TV's Vinnie: Amos Quito: vernonFL: Its very difficult to keep 60 year old technology from people who really want it.


Except that they aren't pursuing it, and haven't been pursuing it since 2003, and everyone farking knows it.



Then let's send up some recon drones to verify that. I'm sure that Iran would be glad to have their claims of innocence proven if they truly have nothing sinister to hide.

Oh, wait.......



Oh, wait... Iran has been giving IAEA free run of the joint for years.

Just like Israel has.

Oh, wait.......
 
2012-02-05 01:07:27 AM

Notabunny: BSABSVR: Bucky Katt: OK, we attack Iran. Then what? The warmongers never mention what happens on day 2.

The citizens greet us with flowers.

Actually, the Iranian people like America and Americans. Their government is out to lunch, but the people are pretty cool.


Yeah, but that would change a bit once we start with the bombing and such.
 
2012-02-05 01:07:56 AM

cman: BSABSVR: cman: If someone constantly screamed "Death to America, you will feel our wrath" how would you anti-Israel folks respond?

Really, the notion of self defense is older than, well, written history itself

How likely are they to be able to back up the threat? My neighbor's chihuahua goes apeshiat every time I get within about 10 feet of our shared fence. I don't give a shiat because chihuahua. Similarly, I don't lose sleep over what an Ayatollah 6,000 miles away says to appeal to the patriotism of the Iranians

19 men killed 3k citizens with box cutters that helped them hijack airplanes. Given time they will come up with creative ways.


Fixed that so no one can make a personal attack against me and attempt to spin my statement
 
2012-02-05 01:09:10 AM

Brontes: Amos Quito: CitizensUnited: well of course Barrack HUSSEIN N0bama won't defend American interest in the Middle East.


Defend it against what?

Israel's unwarranted aggression against Iran?

Easy buddy, don't want to get labeled an anti-Semite.



www.progarchives.com

"Too late"
 
2012-02-05 01:10:09 AM

cman: I said that those who are anti-Israel dont really care about the threats that Iran is making.


I see. So you're either with Israel or you're against them, is that it?

Does that logic apply to every country -- or is it just Israel? I mean, if the United States is against fighting Namibia's wars does that mean we're against Namibia?
 
2012-02-05 01:12:19 AM

cman: BSABSVR: cman: If someone constantly screamed "Death to America, you will feel our wrath" how would you anti-Israel folks respond?

Really, the notion of self defense is older than, well, written history itself

How likely are they to be able to back up the threat? My neighbor's chihuahua goes apeshiat every time I get within about 10 feet of our shared fence. I don't give a shiat because chihuahua. Similarly, I don't lose sleep over what an Ayatollah 6,000 miles away says to appeal to the patriotism of the Iranians

19 men killed 3k citizens with box cutters. Given time they will come up with creative ways.


If you can't see the difference between a non-state group that actively has pursued a campaign of terror against the US for two decades and a state with sharp rhetoric designed to keep the populace under control, then I can't help you. But go on with the appeals to emotion though. Maybe a picture of ground zero next? An eagle weeping?
 
2012-02-05 01:13:43 AM

eraser8: cman: I said that those who are anti-Israel dont really care about the threats that Iran is making.

I see. So you're either with Israel or you're against them, is that it?

Does that logic apply to every country -- or is it just Israel? I mean, if the United States is against fighting Namibia's wars does that mean we're against Namibia?


I did not say that. I said those who were anti-Israel, I did not say those who sat on the fence.

/BTW, just to make myself and the world clear as to avoid any future attacks upon me, being anti-Israel is not always mutually exclusive as being anti-Semitic.
 
2012-02-05 01:15:32 AM

BSABSVR: cman: BSABSVR: cman: If someone constantly screamed "Death to America, you will feel our wrath" how would you anti-Israel folks respond?

Really, the notion of self defense is older than, well, written history itself

How likely are they to be able to back up the threat? My neighbor's chihuahua goes apeshiat every time I get within about 10 feet of our shared fence. I don't give a shiat because chihuahua. Similarly, I don't lose sleep over what an Ayatollah 6,000 miles away says to appeal to the patriotism of the Iranians

19 men killed 3k citizens with box cutters. Given time they will come up with creative ways.

If you can't see the difference between a non-state group that actively has pursued a campaign of terror against the US for two decades and a state with sharp rhetoric designed to keep the populace under control, then I can't help you. But go on with the appeals to emotion though. Maybe a picture of ground zero next? An eagle weeping?


No one seriously though Osama was a threat to the US until the embassy bombings. Just because they have not acted upon their own rhetoric does not necessarily mean that they will never do so.
 
2012-02-05 01:16:00 AM

eraser8: cman: I said that those who are anti-Israel dont really care about the threats that Iran is making.

I see. So you're either with Israel or you're against them, is that it?

Does that logic apply to every country -- or is it just Israel? I mean, if the United States is against fighting Namibia's wars does that mean we're against Namibia?



Call me when we're fighting Namibia's wars.
 
2012-02-05 01:16:17 AM
As an American, I feel more threatened by Israel than by Iran.

Maybe we should attack Israel first, then Iran.

Then we'll be safe.
 
2012-02-05 01:17:14 AM
If Iran does get nuclear weapons, and the missiles and planes to be able to bomb Israel, the fact remains that about 20% if Israelis are Muslims, and half of Jerusalem are Muslims.

If Iran bombed Israel, they would probably kill as many Muslims as Jews.
 
2012-02-05 01:17:57 AM

cman: I did not say that. I said those who were anti-Israel, I did not say those who sat on the fence.


Point to the people you're addressing who are cheering for Israel to be destroyed. If you can't do that, you are equating people who sit on the fence with people who are anti-Israel.

In other words, you're saying that a person can either be with Israel or against Israel. You don't seem to recognize a middle ground.
 
2012-02-05 01:20:16 AM

Amos Quito: eraser8: cman: I said that those who are anti-Israel dont really care about the threats that Iran is making.

I see. So you're either with Israel or you're against them, is that it?

Does that logic apply to every country -- or is it just Israel? I mean, if the United States is against fighting Namibia's wars does that mean we're against Namibia?


Call me when we're fighting Namibia's wars.


That's just the point, isn't it?

Being neutral in a conflict between foreign states does not mean you're anti one state or the other.
 
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