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(Washington Post)   Republican National Committee explains why this year's race has turned so ugly: Blame Florida   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 68
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2012-02-04 06:18:58 PM
Uh oh. Is Florida Gingrich wife 4.0?
 
2012-02-04 06:26:40 PM
Well I'm sure that will play nicely in Florida, where the entire Republican Party will converge in August for their convention.
 
2012-02-04 06:39:07 PM
So Florida was a fluke. Not like when McCain had his illegitimate black child...
 
2012-02-04 06:57:23 PM
"All they're doing now is standing in a circular firing squad," she said, especially given the number of sometimes vicious televised debates. "We've got three people, and they're all slugging it out. I don't know if that's hurting us or helping."

O'RLY?
 
2012-02-04 06:59:46 PM
So please explain why exactly we can't let the order of the primaries rotate to someplace a little more pertinent than Iowa and New Hampshire and South Frigging Carolina?
 
2012-02-04 07:09:51 PM
I'm not sure if I want to say "Gee, Republicans breaking the rules, what a surprise"
Or "Damn,The GOP is the gift that keeps giving" or something somewhere in between.
 
2012-02-04 07:51:21 PM
The GOP race was supposed to be spirited and exciting.

No it wasn't. It was supposed to be ugly, painful and ultimately futile.
 
2012-02-04 07:54:46 PM
They're not even a real state anyway.
 
2012-02-04 08:04:45 PM
The campaign is nasty and negative because that's the nature of people who identify as Republicans

/and particularly of their candidates
 
2012-02-04 08:09:12 PM
Marcus Aurelius: So please explain why exactly we can't let the order of the primaries rotate to someplace a little more pertinent than Iowa and New Hampshire and South Frigging Carolina?

Why does a 15 count give you 2 points in Cribbage? Why do you get $200 for passing Go? Why can you store a dozen assault rifles and 10 sets of power armor in a first aid kit in Fallout?
 
2012-02-04 09:02:25 PM
I'm confused. If the made a rule saying that if you hold you primary before a certain time, you have to award your delivers proportionally. Florida did that, and they Still awarded them all to romney? RNC can't do nothing?

Crap, they screwed up in Iowa- where Romney won but actually lost to Santorum! Why do we dare let them run the country when they can't run themselves?
 
2012-02-04 09:03:40 PM
mrshowrules: Marcus Aurelius: So please explain why exactly we can't let the order of the primaries rotate to someplace a little more pertinent than Iowa and New Hampshire and South Frigging Carolina?

Why does a 15 count give you 2 points in Cribbage? Why do you get $200 for passing Go? Why can you store a dozen assault rifles and 10 sets of power armor in a first aid kit in Fallout?


Who put the bomp in the bomp-a-bomp-a-bomp? Who put the ram in the rama-lama-ding-dong?
 
2012-02-04 09:38:02 PM
I know why conservatives hate Forida.

It looks like a big penar.
 
2012-02-04 09:49:39 PM
Florida cut ahead in line to have their primary ahead of everyone else.
 
2012-02-04 09:53:33 PM
dahmers love zombie: "All they're doing now is standing in a circular firing squad," she said, especially given the number of sometimes vicious televised debates. "We've got three people, and they're all slugging it out. I don't know if that's hurting us or helping."

O'RLY?


Well, yes. Either Romney is a robot or Newt Gingrich is a lizard-person. Or did you think they're not counting RON PAUL? Because that's probably it.
 
2012-02-04 10:01:13 PM
Florida farked shiat up royally
 
2012-02-04 10:01:53 PM
The reason why there is so much vitrol in the GOP nomination process is simple:

Republicans are hateful, small minded, bigoted, mean people. You might as well expect a snake to not bite you.
 
2012-02-04 10:02:02 PM
Godscrack: I know why conservatives hate Forida.

It looks like a big penar.


With how much the right talks about buttsecks, I wouldn't think they hate 'em.
 
2012-02-04 10:03:02 PM
Yea, it totally has nothing to do with candidate's surrogate organizations being able to make millions of dollars in wharrgarble ads without the candidates having to answer for them. Nothing at all.
 
2012-02-04 10:05:14 PM
zlackwar: They're not even a real state anyway.

Newt could have been a winner, oh yes it's true
Instead he burned up like a piggy on a barbecue
Should we blame the debates? Should we blame the ads?
Or could we even blame the hanging chads?

HECK NO
 
2012-02-04 10:15:09 PM
Florida is WAY more diverse then Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina.

Its much more representative of the country as a whole.

Why Iowa has traditionally been the first state to have the primary has always been beyond me, although Iowa has gotten much more diverse in the last 20 or so years.
 
2012-02-04 10:20:00 PM
cretinbob: I'm not sure if I want to say "Gee, Republicans breaking the rules, what a surprise"
Or "Damn,The GOP is the gift that keeps giving" or something somewhere in between.


I'll go for the latter thanx.
 
2012-02-04 10:20:47 PM
We Floridians sure do get a lot of credit for deciding who the President is all the time. I don't even know why the rest of ya'll even bother.
 
2012-02-04 10:24:00 PM
"Be like the boy! Be like the boy!"

"I do what I want, man."

Party of law and order, my ass.
 
2012-02-04 10:27:48 PM
It was ugly from the beginning because the current iteration of the GOP is full of ugly people with ugly ideas. There is no "turned ugly", though there might be a "turned uglier" at certain points.
 
2012-02-04 10:29:19 PM
It has nothing to do with the fact that a belligerent, hypocritical serial adulterer is running against a man that doesn't see a problem with putting the family dog on the roof during a road trip, then hosing the shiat off of it at rest stops. It has nothing to do with superPACs. It has nothing to do with this being endgame of years of the GOP pandering to hateful, ignorant, racist, uneducated people. Nope, it's all your fault, Florida. I hope you're happy with yourself.
 
2012-02-04 10:32:43 PM
Florida rigs the election for the GOP in 2000 and in 2012 the GOP throws them under the bus
 
2012-02-04 10:33:30 PM
BKITU: mrshowrules: Marcus Aurelius: So please explain why exactly we can't let the order of the primaries rotate to someplace a little more pertinent than Iowa and New Hampshire and South Frigging Carolina?

Why does a 15 count give you 2 points in Cribbage? Why do you get $200 for passing Go? Why can you store a dozen assault rifles and 10 sets of power armor in a first aid kit in Fallout?

Who put the bomp in the bomp-a-bomp-a-bomp? Who put the ram in the rama-lama-ding-dong?


that's easy. the answer is "that man whose hand I'd like to shake"
 
2012-02-04 10:34:01 PM
"My job as speaker of the House and a constitutional officer is to do what's best for Floridians - not what makes political party folks happy," he added.

That guy just got his "Fark you buddy, I got mine" merit badge. Maybe come 2016 we'll see him doing his own book tour disguised as a presidential run.
 
2012-02-04 10:38:45 PM
Or maybe the problem is that there was nothing but attack ads running in Florida for a month. That's purely the fault of the people in the race.
 
2012-02-04 10:39:49 PM
Anyone else humming Blame Canada when they read the headline?
 
2012-02-04 10:55:08 PM
Knowing what to expect from the liberals this fall, it would be foolish to not test the candidates it some negative ads now. Nothing to see here.
 
2012-02-04 10:58:16 PM
RandomExcess: Knowing what to expect from the liberals this fall, it would be foolish to not test the candidates it some negative ads now. Nothing to see here.

You make a really good point. In the past 20 years, the Democrats have fought particularly dirty. They're totally going to swiftboat the eventual Republican nominee.
 
2012-02-04 11:07:58 PM
RandomExcess: Knowing what to expect from the liberals this fall, it would be foolish to not test the candidates it some negative ads now. Nothing to see here.

They make a cream for that.
 
2012-02-04 11:11:36 PM
Zombie Butler: Anyone else humming Blame Canada when they read the headline?

First thing I thought of
 
2012-02-04 11:12:46 PM
RandomExcess: Knowing what to expect from the liberals this fall, it would be foolish to not test the candidates it some negative ads now. Nothing to see here.

Well, so far Gingrich has said that Spanish is the language of the ghetto, and said that black people should get off food stamps and that poor children should work as janitors. Romney has said that he's not concerned about poor people, and he pays 15% taxes on his Swiss and Cayman Island bank accounts.

I don't see what the Democrats could say to top that.
 
2012-02-04 11:18:40 PM
vernonFL: RandomExcess: Knowing what to expect from the liberals this fall, it would be foolish to not test the candidates it some negative ads now. Nothing to see here.

Well, so far Gingrich has said that Spanish is the language of the ghetto, and said that black people should get off food stamps and that poor children should work as janitors. Romney has said that he's not concerned about poor people, and he pays 15% taxes on his Swiss and Cayman Island bank accounts.

I don't see what the Democrats could say to top that.


Those darn Dems will probably point out Gingrich's ethics violations and the disgrace that forced him out of the House and the fact that Romney's fortune came from firing thousands of Americans and that he doesn't have the same opinion for more than 20 minutes.

Why do those lefties have to be so unfair by remembering stuff that happened and then telling other people about it?
 
2012-02-04 11:20:33 PM
Marcus Aurelius: So please explain why exactly we can't let the order of the primaries rotate to someplace a little more pertinent than Iowa and New Hampshire and South Frigging Carolina?

That's actually exactly why. It prevents the big states from just completely steamrolling the political process and making the little guys, rural concerns, and so on de facto irrelevant. Sort of similar to why the Senate has two reps per state instead a population-proportional scheme-- it forces various factions to play nice even when they're dramatically unequal in power, at least to an extent.
 
2012-02-04 11:36:06 PM
Running a bunch of has-beens and never-was-its for President and the whole debacle has turned ugly?


No shiat, Sherlock.


Jesus. I could run the Republican National Committee better than these clowns and I'm drunk.
 
2012-02-04 11:42:43 PM
Jim_Callahan: Marcus Aurelius: So please explain why exactly we can't let the order of the primaries rotate to someplace a little more pertinent than Iowa and New Hampshire and South Frigging Carolina?

That's actually exactly why. It prevents the big states from just completely steamrolling the political process and making the little guys, rural concerns, and so on de facto irrelevant. Sort of similar to why the Senate has two reps per state instead a population-proportional scheme-- it forces various factions to play nice even when they're dramatically unequal in power, at least to an extent.


They could very easily let every candidate campaign and then do a single vote to decide who the nominee was across the nation. The reason why they don't do this is because the drawn out process both allows the party leadership to manipulate voter sentiment as well as conserving resources for the eventual nominee by not dividing donor dollars across an entire pool of candidates for many months.

Legitimately, in a year like this, what the RNC wants, is to tell everyone to vote for Romney because they think he has the best shot, and then have every other candidate drop out after a few weeks so that they can funnel all donations to their chosen one.

That's why they run this system.
 
2012-02-04 11:54:48 PM
Jim_Callahan: Marcus Aurelius: So please explain why exactly we can't let the order of the primaries rotate to someplace a little more pertinent than Iowa and New Hampshire and South Frigging Carolina?

That's actually exactly why. It prevents the big states from just completely steamrolling the political process and making the little guys, rural concerns, and so on de facto irrelevant. Sort of similar to why the Senate has two reps per state instead a population-proportional scheme-- it forces various factions to play nice even when they're dramatically unequal in power, at least to an extent.


So a minority of extremist wingnuts decide the direction of the party, rather than the more moderate majority. That seems to be working well.
 
2012-02-04 11:59:02 PM
Zombie Butler: Anyone else humming Blame Canada when they read the headline?

Yes. Me.
 
2012-02-05 12:02:08 AM
There is one fair way to hold primaries. For both parties. In the order in which the states became states.
 
2012-02-05 12:07:20 AM
GAT_00: Well I'm sure that will play nicely in Florida, where the entire Republican Party will converge in August for their convention.

Florida. In August.

It'll be so hot & smelly that they'll think they're back at Home Sweet Home in Hell.
 
2012-02-05 12:11:50 AM
Fark, It is FLORIDA, can we just forget they exist?

I know Fark would implode, but wouldn't it be worth it?
 
2012-02-05 12:12:49 AM
Notabunny: Jim_Callahan: Marcus Aurelius: So please explain why exactly we can't let the order of the primaries rotate to someplace a little more pertinent than Iowa and New Hampshire and South Frigging Carolina?

That's actually exactly why. It prevents the big states from just completely steamrolling the political process and making the little guys, rural concerns, and so on de facto irrelevant. Sort of similar to why the Senate has two reps per state instead a population-proportional scheme-- it forces various factions to play nice even when they're dramatically unequal in power, at least to an extent.

So a minority of extremist wingnuts decide the direction of the party, rather than the more moderate majority. That seems to be working well.


Were there any 2012 candidates who weren't extremist wingnuts? (I'm thinking Romney and Huntsman, but Huntsman had no chance because he's comparably poor and speaks Communisty language.)
 
2012-02-05 12:13:58 AM
seventypercent: zlackwar: They're not even a real state anyway.

Newt could have been a winner, oh yes it's true
Instead he burned up like a piggy on a barbecue
Should we blame the debates? Should we blame the ads?
Or could we even blame the hanging chads?

HECK NO


Zombie Butler: Anyone else humming Blame Canada when they read the headline?

They were, apparently.
 
2012-02-05 12:16:09 AM
Republicans, in general, are just nasty people.
 
2012-02-05 12:18:49 AM
vernonFL: Florida is WAY more diverse then Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina.

Its much more representative of the country as a whole.

Why Iowa has traditionally been the first state to have the primary has always been beyond me, although Iowa has gotten much more diverse in the last 20 or so years.


Sez the goon with FL at the end of his name. Biased much?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLZZ6JD0g9Y
 
2012-02-05 12:20:11 AM
Curse of the Goth Kids: "My job as speaker of the House and a constitutional officer is to do what's best for Floridians - not what makes political party folks happy," he added.

That guy just got his "Fark you buddy, I got mine" merit badge. Maybe come 2016 we'll see him doing his own book tour disguised as a presidential run.


So the party of "Fark you, I got mine" got screwed over by someone in the party getting theirs? It's both ironic and expected.
 
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