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Kinda tough, Bret, when your AD and predecessor doesn't back you on this. Even as a Badger fan I realize Urban's going to snag some kids in the first few years here. Go back to taking two and three star guys from out east and Texas/Florida.

InB4 crying ass ohio state fans sill pissing and moaning about getting beat by florida.

bel4sucks: InB4 crying ass ohio state fans sill pissing and moaning about getting beat by florida.



/oblig

so what exactly did he do that was 'illegal'?

I get where he's going to be mocked endlessly but that still doesn't change the fact meyer is a douche.

Hey Big 10 coachesdettigersnw22: so what exactly did he do that was 'illegal'?

Nothing, but that doesn't make for a very interesting story.

There's a reason the SEC is consistently near the top....


/Bret 'should' concentrate more on winning Rose Bowls though.
// lose 2 in a row? c'mon man.
///winning the big games brings recruits dude.

steamingpile: I get where he's going to be mocked endlessly but that still doesn't change the fact meyer is a douche.

So much THIS. I don't understand how this guy has kept some sort of "clean" persona. The guy is an absolute bunghole.

/Not a Florida fan

These are the same coaches that can convince a kid to spend 4 years at "Brand X" university, and then leave for the next big job with minimal repercussions, griping about the kids who promised to come to "Brand X" leaving for "Brand Z", with no repercussions. Right?
I don't care.

dettigersnw22: so what exactly did he do that was 'illegal'?

There's nothing illegal about it but it's a dick move to go after a recruit after they verbally commit. It's not that uncommon for a kid to change his mind after verbally committing, but the coaches shouldn't be the ones influencing the change of heart.

Jack_Knopf: /Not a Florida fan

That means you can spell the word "alligator."

ihatedumbpeople: There's a reason the SEC is consistently near the top....


/Bret 'should' concentrate more on winning Rose Bowls though.
// lose 2 in a row? c'mon man.
///winning the big games brings recruits dude.

The biggest reason some of these SEC teams are on top is because they lie to kids and sign the maximum number every year by oversigning then working the numbers to allow for fark ups with injuries and players that don't measure up. Its a scumbag practice but nobody has stepped in to stop them from farking kids over on a yearly basis.

Mentat: 9beers: dettigersnw22: so what exactly did he do that was 'illegal'?

There's nothing illegal about it but it's a dick move to go after a recruit after they verbally commit. It's not that uncommon for a kid to change his mind after verbally committing, but the coaches shouldn't be the ones influencing the change of heart.

When did this become the standard?

It has been the standard in the B1G, and Urban didn't understand or had a change of heart about it if he did understand.

Whatever.

Urban will ruffle some feathers, just like RichRod did for Michigan when he first came in.

legion_of_doo: It has been the standard in the B1G, and Urban didn't understand or had a change of heart about it if he did understand.

Someone should've told Dantonio about that 'standard'.

Him and Bieliema are just whiny that they see their future, and its sponsored by Capital One, TicketCity, and TaxSlayer.com.

the biggest difference - the Big Ten actually provides the students (not athletes) with a real education. I know of several SEC players who went there just because the academics are much easier.

I'm sure Urban just convinced the kid that Ohio State had a better astrophysics program and that he would have a better chance of winning a Nobel prize. That's the secret to recruiting--academics.

chuckufarlie: the biggest difference - the Big Ten actually provides the students (not athletes) with a real education. I know of several SEC players who went there just because the academics are much easier.

Horse puckey. I've been a student at both Big Tenleventy and SEC schools and seen, in particular, the coursework the athletes take. There's little difference at most big, sports crazed schools anywhere in the country.

Insofar as anyone complains about SEC tactics..that's a laugh. There are plenty of coaches who start in some other conference, then go to the SEC. Les Miles, for example, spent a good deal of time at Michigan, where he developed a rep as a ruthless recruiter. I guess "SEC tactics" are only bad when the people who master them don't actually go to said conference to coach.

chuckufarlie: the biggest difference - the Big Ten actually provides the students (not athletes) with a real education. I know of several SEC players who went there just because the academics are much easier.

This coming from a fan of a conference that has trouble counting?

I don't follow college football very much, but didn't OSU beat Florida? I seem to remember hearing the game on radio when I was driving from Florida to Ohio, oddly enough. Maybe I've gone batty.

kukukupo: I don't follow college football very much, but didn't OSU beat Florida? I seem to remember hearing the game on radio when I was driving from Florida to Ohio, oddly enough. Maybe I've gone batty.

I don't think they have beaten an sec team in a while well except for when they cheated and beat crappy Arkansas.

Mentat: 9beers: dettigersnw22: so what exactly did he do that was 'illegal'?

There's nothing illegal about it but it's a dick move to go after a recruit after they verbally commit. It's not that uncommon for a kid to change his mind after verbally committing, but the coaches shouldn't be the ones influencing the change of heart.

When did this become the standard?

Its that unwritten rule for them, the best part is watching my friends who are OSU fans defend him after biatching about how dirty he was in the sec.

Karma biatches.

chuckufarlie: the biggest difference - the Big Ten actually provides the students (not athletes) with a real education. I know of several SEC players who went there just because the academics are much easier.

It's a name brand diploma. Brand recognition can help you get that job interview, I'll give you that, but it does not indicate superior education.

chuckufarlie: the biggest difference - the Big Ten actually provides the students (not athletes) with a real education. I know of several SEC players who went there just because the academics are much easier.

Same with big. 10 players, most of the big name kids just casually go to classes or take their shiat core classes until they can get drafted.

Let's not act like its much different in either conference, if you do that then you shine a light on your own ignorance.

steamingpile: ihatedumbpeople: There's a reason the SEC is consistently near the top....


/Bret 'should' concentrate more on winning Rose Bowls though.
// lose 2 in a row? c'mon man.
///winning the big games brings recruits dude.

The biggest reason some of these SEC teams are on top is because they lie to kids and sign the maximum number every year by oversigning then working the numbers to allow for fark ups with injuries and players that don't measure up. Its a scumbag practice but nobody has stepped in to stop them from farking kids over on a yearly basis.

So tired of the oversigning argument. The bottom 4 kids of a half a dozen or so SEC programs are hardly what's keeping other conferences/programs from success. It's the top 10 kids from those programs, that go SEC over other schools for whatever reason, that are what keeps the conference at a premier level.

9beers: There's nothing illegal about it but it's a dick move to go after a recruit after they verbally commit.

Dick move, yes, but anyone shocked that Meyer is a dick has a lot of catching up to do. I'd be more offended if Meyer oversigned recruits like the worst SEC schoo -- well, whaddya know, he DID oversign. Surprise, surprise.

I guess tOSU is so desperate to beat the SEC they're willing to become the SEC.

Jackdragna: There are plenty of coaches who start in some other conference, then go to the SEC. Les Miles, for example, spent a good deal of time at Michigan, where he developed a rep as a ruthless recruiter. I guess "SEC tactics" are only bad when the people who master them don't actually go to said conference to coach.

Except Les Miles was considered for the HC job at Michigan and NOT pursued because they found his standards lacking.

dettigersnw22: so what exactly did he do that was 'illegal'?

Nothing. Bielma is being a little biatch. He lost most of his offensive staff when Pitt hired his OC as their HC. Then he pisses and moans when an OL from Ohio decommits. That kind of stuff always happens when you have staff turnover.

The bigger issue is that OSU could sign 23 players and remain under the NCAA cap of 82 for this coming year (they lost 3 due to penalties). Meyer has 25 though and may sign one or two more. Watch for backups to get booted for team rules violations or the like. It isn't oversigning (you can take up to 28 if you backdate 3), but if he makes a routine of going over his total cap and then booting kids, the B1G had better step in.

Paul Baumer: So tired of the oversigning argument. The bottom 4 kids of a half a dozen or so SEC programs are hardly what's keeping other conferences/programs from success.

Of course they are; it's a numbers game. The issue is that not even the coaches can tell who's the "bottom 4" when they sign; the ratings aren't perfect. So you oversign, shake 'em up and fark over the kids who don't pan out.

And even if that part wasn't controversial, it's telling that you look at this strictly from the schools' point of view.

legion_of_doo: It has been the standard in the B1G, and Urban didn't understand or had a change of heart about it if he did understand.

Brady Hoke disagrees with that statement.

dragonchild: Paul Baumer: So tired of the oversigning argument. The bottom 4 kids of a half a dozen or so SEC programs are hardly what's keeping other conferences/programs from success.

Of course they are; it's a numbers game. The issue is that not even the coaches can tell who's the "bottom 4" when they sign; the ratings aren't perfect. So you oversign, shake 'em up and fark over the kids who don't pan out.

And even if that part wasn't controversial, it's telling that you look at this strictly from the schools' point of view.

Well I'm a UGA fan and know that its bullshiat, but you're right no coach knows who will step it up when they get on the field and the other problem is that they may have too much depth at a position so they have him sit until a spot opens up. These aren't even bottom 4 some of these are 3-4 star players who were promised a scholarship but got farked when they got on campus when they could have played elsewhere.

I actually like the big 10 giving 4 year scholarships the sec needs to do the same or the NCAA needs to make that the new norm.

steamingpile: dragonchild: Paul Baumer: So tired of the oversigning argument. The bottom 4 kids of a half a dozen or so SEC programs are hardly what's keeping other conferences/programs from success.

Of course they are; it's a numbers game. The issue is that not even the coaches can tell who's the "bottom 4" when they sign; the ratings aren't perfect. So you oversign, shake 'em up and fark over the kids who don't pan out.

And even if that part wasn't controversial, it's telling that you look at this strictly from the schools' point of view.

Well I'm a UGA fan and know that its bullshiat, but you're right no coach knows who will step it up when they get on the field and the other problem is that they may have too much depth at a position so they have him sit until a spot opens up. These aren't even bottom 4 some of these are 3-4 star players who were promised a scholarship but got farked when they got on campus when they could have played elsewhere.

I actually like the big 10 giving 4 year scholarships the sec needs to do the same or the NCAA needs to make that the new norm.

Four year scholarships are nice, but I don't think they solve it entirely. Every scholarship out there has the clause where can be dismissed for violation of team rules. So if you make Saban or Miles give 4 year deals, they'll just boot kids for "team rule violations". We also need some kind of "lack of control over your team" rule as well and if you boot X kids in Y years, you get some automatic penalty.

chuckufarlie: the biggest difference - the Big Ten actually provides the students (not athletes) with a real education. I know of several SEC players who went there just because the academics are much easier.

And tattoos, don't forget tattooos.

Jackdragna: Insofar as anyone complains about SEC tactics..that's a laugh. There are plenty of coaches who start in some other conference, then go to the SEC. Les Miles, for example, spent a good deal of time at Michigan, where he developed a rep as a ruthless recruiter. I guess "SEC tactics" are only bad when the people who master them don't actually go to said conference to coach.

Actually, no. The coaches are complaining about a very specific tactic that is common in the SEC but that has traditionally not been used in the Big 10. I'm not saying that using this tactic is right or wrong, just pointing out the fact that you are wrong. As usual.

Jackdragna: chuckufarlie: the biggest difference - the Big Ten actually provides the students (not athletes) with a real education. I know of several SEC players who went there just because the academics are much easier.

Horse puckey. I've been a student at both Big Tenleventy and SEC schools and seen, in particular, the coursework the athletes take. There's little difference at most big, sports crazed schools anywhere in the country.


Well if some anonymous guy on the internet says it, then it must be true.

/just kidding, I actually think you're full of shiat.

downtownkid: Jackdragna: Insofar as anyone complains about SEC tactics..that's a laugh. There are plenty of coaches who start in some other conference, then go to the SEC. Les Miles, for example, spent a good deal of time at Michigan, where he developed a rep as a ruthless recruiter. I guess "SEC tactics" are only bad when the people who master them don't actually go to said conference to coach.

Actually, no. The coaches are complaining about a very specific tactic that is common in the SEC but that has traditionally not been used in the Big 10. I'm not saying that using this tactic is right or wrong, just pointing out the fact that you are wrong. As usual.

The tactic of winning crystal trophies?

machodonkeywrestler: downtownkid: Jackdragna: Insofar as anyone complains about SEC tactics..that's a laugh. There are plenty of coaches who start in some other conference, then go to the SEC. Les Miles, for example, spent a good deal of time at Michigan, where he developed a rep as a ruthless recruiter. I guess "SEC tactics" are only bad when the people who master them don't actually go to said conference to coach.

Actually, no. The coaches are complaining about a very specific tactic that is common in the SEC but that has traditionally not been used in the Big 10. I'm not saying that using this tactic is right or wrong, just pointing out the fact that you are wrong. As usual.

The tactic of winning crystal trophies?


No, that would be a result not a tactic. As those two syllable words are beyond your grasp it's safe to assume you are an SEC fan.

downtownkid: machodonkeywrestler: downtownkid: Jackdragna: Insofar as anyone complains about SEC tactics..that's a laugh. There are plenty of coaches who start in some other conference, then go to the SEC. Les Miles, for example, spent a good deal of time at Michigan, where he developed a rep as a ruthless recruiter. I guess "SEC tactics" are only bad when the people who master them don't actually go to said conference to coach.

Actually, no. The coaches are complaining about a very specific tactic that is common in the SEC but that has traditionally not been used in the Big 10. I'm not saying that using this tactic is right or wrong, just pointing out the fact that you are wrong. As usual.

The tactic of winning crystal trophies?


No, that would be a result not a tactic. As those two syllable words are beyond your grasp it's safe to assume you are an SEC fan.

And your condescending tone tells me that you are an a$$hole.

Sabyen91: downtownkid: machodonkeywrestler: downtownkid: Jackdragna: Insofar as anyone complains about SEC tactics..that's a laugh. There are plenty of coaches who start in some other conference, then go to the SEC. Les Miles, for example, spent a good deal of time at Michigan, where he developed a rep as a ruthless recruiter. I guess "SEC tactics" are only bad when the people who master them don't actually go to said conference to coach.

Actually, no. The coaches are complaining about a very specific tactic that is common in the SEC but that has traditionally not been used in the Big 10. I'm not saying that using this tactic is right or wrong, just pointing out the fact that you are wrong. As usual.

The tactic of winning crystal trophies?


No, that would be a result not a tactic. As those two syllable words are beyond your grasp it's safe to assume you are an SEC fan.

It also sounds like he is ok with any tactic as long as it leads to National Championships. Mandatory juicing would be a great thing for the SEC.

I just like good football, something currently being provided best by the SEC. And since people in the thread seem to want to pigeonhole people as "homers"; full disclosure I went to Ga Tech.

rcf1105: Paul Baumer: The bottom 4 kids of a half a dozen or so SEC programs are hardly what's keeping other conferences/programs from success.

It's like playing poker with an extra card in your hand. You're not guaranteed to win - but it sure as hell helps a lot. And it's more than just 4 students - you look at some of the more egregious violators (Alabama, for example) and they basically are pulling in five recruiting classes over a four year period.

I love people defending this bullshiat, because they just never get it, Alabama had 13 or scholarships available this year but somehow they signed 26 players. Math must work different at bama or saban cheats...oh excuse me, bends the rules to get kids in. The NCAA needs to force schools to only be allowed to sign as many kids as they have spots and if they want to develop a couple more then they have to designated as such before they sign anything.

What pisses me off is that they lie to kids by saying they have a spot then yank the rug out from underneath them after its too late to go anywhere else. There are two kids this year finally speaking out against saban one is going to Kentucky and the other is going to Arkansas I think, if they knew earlier what saban had planned they could have had other offers but were stuck with who had room once saban farked them over.

machodonkeywrestler: Sabyen91: downtownkid: machodonkeywrestler: downtownkid: Jackdragna: Insofar as anyone complains about SEC tactics..that's a laugh. There are plenty of coaches who start in some other conference, then go to the SEC. Les Miles, for example, spent a good deal of time at Michigan, where he developed a rep as a ruthless recruiter. I guess "SEC tactics" are only bad when the people who master them don't actually go to said conference to coach.

Actually, no. The coaches are complaining about a very specific tactic that is common in the SEC but that has traditionally not been used in the Big 10. I'm not saying that using this tactic is right or wrong, just pointing out the fact that you are wrong. As usual.

The tactic of winning crystal trophies?


No, that would be a result not a tactic. As those two syllable words are beyond your grasp it's safe to assume you are an SEC fan.

It also sounds like he is ok with any tactic as long as it leads to National Championships. Mandatory juicing would be a great thing for the SEC.

I just like good football, something currently being provided best by the SEC. And since people in the thread seem to want to pigeonhole people as "homers"; full disclosure I went to Ga Tech.

Well I can see why a GT grad likes sec football, do they even have a Div I-A team any longer?

steamingpile: machodonkeywrestler: Sabyen91: downtownkid: machodonkeywrestler: downtownkid: Jackdragna: Insofar as anyone complains about SEC tactics..that's a laugh. There are plenty of coaches who start in some other conference, then go to the SEC. Les Miles, for example, spent a good deal of time at Michigan, where he developed a rep as a ruthless recruiter. I guess "SEC tactics" are only bad when the people who master them don't actually go to said conference to coach.

Actually, no. The coaches are complaining about a very specific tactic that is common in the SEC but that has traditionally not been used in the Big 10. I'm not saying that using this tactic is right or wrong, just pointing out the fact that you are wrong. As usual.

The tactic of winning crystal trophies?


No, that would be a result not a tactic. As those two syllable words are beyond your grasp it's safe to assume you are an SEC fan.

It also sounds like he is ok with any tactic as long as it leads to National Championships. Mandatory juicing would be a great thing for the SEC.

I just like good football, something currently being provided best by the SEC. And since people in the thread seem to want to pigeonhole people as "homers"; full disclosure I went to Ga Tech.

Well I can see why a GT grad likes sec football, do they even have a Div I-A team any longer?

They put some sort of track team out these days.

Sabyen91: machodonkeywrestler: Sabyen91: downtownkid: machodonkeywrestler: downtownkid: Jackdragna: Insofar as anyone complains about SEC tactics..that's a laugh. There are plenty of coaches who start in some other conference, then go to the SEC. Les Miles, for example, spent a good deal of time at Michigan, where he developed a rep as a ruthless recruiter. I guess "SEC tactics" are only bad when the people who master them don't actually go to said conference to coach.

Actually, no. The coaches are complaining about a very specific tactic that is common in the SEC but that has traditionally not been used in the Big 10. I'm not saying that using this tactic is right or wrong, just pointing out the fact that you are wrong. As usual.

The tactic of winning crystal trophies?


No, that would be a result not a tactic. As those two syllable words are beyond your grasp it's safe to assume you are an SEC fan.

It also sounds like he is ok with any tactic as long as it leads to National Championships. Mandatory juicing would be a great thing for the SEC.

I just like good football, something currently being provided best by the SEC. And since people in the thread seem to want to pigeonhole people as "homers"; full disclosure I went to Ga Tech.

Slimy tactics are ok as long as it leads to good football. Who cares whom it harms.

If your going to be honest with yourself, the NCAA, the so-called "governing body", is much worse offender than any of the teams are.

The only solution to over signing is to get rid of the 85 scholarship limit. It's because of that limit that schools have an incentive to cut the players who aren't performing. To keep player numbers about the same, you would then have to reduce the number of recruits a team can bring in a year to either 22 or 23, as a hard cap on the number of LOIs that they can accept a year. That puts you a bit above the 85 players a year, but there are always kids who legitimately break team rules, break the law, transfer for a chance to play, or have a career ending injury. If schools had a hard limit on the number they could recruit each year, then the coaches would have a vested interest in keeping their players around and keeping them in line.