The wife looks ticked beyond belief

I was wondering, couldn't Irsay just re-negotiate with MAnning so that the $28 million bonus isn't paid but a much lower bonus and a different contract?

Just seeing his face tells me he's a bad alcoholic, so that explains his nuttiness

/Just read he was born in '59? He's a harder drinker than I thought

Really though if they drop Manning like that though I hope that they fail. Manning is one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game and they are just going to throw him out like yesterday's garbage. And if they do drop him it would be great to see the team that picks him up play Indy and completely wipe the floor with Luck.

Good thing I'm a Patriots fan.

skinink: I was wondering, couldn't Irsay just re-negotiate with MAnning so that the $28 million bonus isn't paid but a much lower bonus and a different contract?

The problem now seems to be that Peyton is upset all of his friends are getting fired and Isray seems to be cleaning house and starting from scratch. Even if Manning does come back, I imagine it's going to be tough for him to adjust to the new coaches and staff, not to mention the very likely short leash he has if he shows any signs of deterioration.

Fark-the-Fnord: Really though if they drop Manning like that though I hope that they fail. Manning is one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game and they are just going to throw him out like yesterday's garbage. And if they do drop him it would be great to see the team that picks him up play Indy and completely wipe the floor with Luck.

If I am correct they could easily have cut him before the start of last season when he failed a physical. He got paid very well for no return on the field this last season. If the Colts cut him loose I understand.

skinink: I was wondering, couldn't Irsay just re-negotiate with MAnning so that the $28 million bonus isn't paid but a much lower bonus and a different contract?

He can't do that because he pissed off Manning by firing literally everyone connected to the Manning era in the organization. Manning won't renegotiate under these circumstances and has all the power. He's going to get just as much, if not more, money from another team when he does get release. Irsay has been farking up for weeks now. He's never going to win a PR battle with Peyton.

Titans would be a good fit, if they could squeeze him under the cap. He already owns the state, and paired witj Johnson would make the offense pretty good.

redmid17: skinink: I was wondering, couldn't Irsay just re-negotiate with MAnning so that the $28 million bonus isn't paid but a much lower bonus and a different contract?

He can't do that because he pissed off Manning by firing literally everyone connected to the Manning era in the organization. Manning won't renegotiate under these circumstances and has all the power. He's going to get just as much, if not more, money from another team when he does get release. Irsay has been farking up for weeks now. He's never going to win a PR battle with Peyton.

I don't think he's farked anything up. I don't think he cares if Manning comes back or not.

The Colts have so many problems that have been papered over since 2007 primarily due to Manning's unique talents as an offensive coordinator, and the ability to execute that offense.

I have no idea if starting Andrew Luck on day one is going to magically turn around the Colt fortunes. If I was Manning, and I really needed to play, it would be in a city where they needed one more piece to put them in the Superb Owl contender group. Basically, a team that is competitive, but has an under performing QB.

So how long til Manning takes another team to the Super Bowl?

As coach?

LesserEvil: I love how people want Manning so badly for their team, forgetting that he's either retiring or staying (and he's probably never going to be healthy).

Every time Irsay makes a statement that seems to indicate they are looking beyond Manning, it's likely because he is close to the situation, and frustrated he can't get a straight answer from Manning - who wants to milk out his stay on the roster long enough to get the bonus (and then retire). Irsay probably believes this to be the case, but doesn't want to gamble. The only way Irsay will let Manning go is if he's sure he'll never play again... WTF would another team want to pick him up under those circumstances?!??

Manning's neck is more worked over than Uri Geller's bent spoon. I'd be surprised if Manning plays another game, and I'd probably watch him play out of morbid curiosity to see him end up paralyzed on a sack.

Beyond all that, the Colts' problems go way beyond QB. I'd be surprised if the Colts had won more than 4 games this past season with a healthy Manning.

This post means you A) Know nothing about football and B) nothing about Manning's injury

davidphogan: redmid17: skinink: I was wondering, couldn't Irsay just re-negotiate with MAnning so that the $28 million bonus isn't paid but a much lower bonus and a different contract?

He can't do that because he pissed off Manning by firing literally everyone connected to the Manning era in the organization. Manning won't renegotiate under these circumstances and has all the power. He's going to get just as much, if not more, money from another team when he does get release. Irsay has been farking up for weeks now. He's never going to win a PR battle with Peyton.

I don't think he's farked anything up. I don't think he cares if Manning comes back or not.

Yes because starting a scorched earth war with the most popular NFL player and essentially the savior of your franchise is always good business decisions, especially in a city that is partial to their sports heroes and fickle when success isn't there.

Harry_Seldon: If I was Manning, and I really needed to play, it would be in a city where they needed one more piece to put them in the Superb Owl contender group. Basically, a team that is competitive, but has an under performing QB.

The suspects (as identified by Adam Schefter):

-NYJ
-Washington
-Arizona
-Tennessee
-Miami

Not seeing many "one piece away" squads there.

Ken VeryBigLiar: Harry_Seldon: If I was Manning, and I really needed to play, it would be in a city where they needed one more piece to put them in the Superb Owl contender group. Basically, a team that is competitive, but has an under performing QB.

The suspects (as identified by Adam Schefter):

-NYJ
-Washington
-Arizona
-Tennessee
-Miami

Not seeing many "one piece away" squads there.

Ken VeryBigLiar: Harry_Seldon: If I was Manning, and I really needed to play, it would be in a city where they needed one more piece to put them in the Superb Owl contender group. Basically, a team that is competitive, but has an under performing QB.

The suspects (as identified by Adam Schefter):

-NYJ
-Washington
-Arizona
-Tennessee
-Miami

Not seeing many "one piece away" squads there.

You must have missed any info about the Cardinals last 9 games.

neuroflare: You must have missed any info about the Cardinals last 9 games.

Only reported what Schefter said. It would be difficult with the money they've plugged into Kolb and the play of Skelton to make it worthwhile.

relcec: if the jets weren't such a f*ckin mess they could be good. they gave up 6th least yards last year. still have some talent on the offensive line. they just have no cap room at all, and the team is full of headcases, and sanchize is due 9 million guaranteed this year I think.

Of all the candidates above they have the best line to keep Manning upright; I just don't see Peyton wanting anything to do with Rex Ryan and the sideshow he offers.

isn't it just slightly possible that they do keep Manning and draft Luck? The new CBA makes 1st Rnd Rookie salaries much more manageable. Most of the "rebuilding" that needs to be done is in the Front Office and Coaching sides, which don't count against the cap. Irsay knows (if only from just this season) that Peyton can pretty much take care of the offensive side of the ball, no matter who the coach is. So why not focus on building a solid core while Peyton is still serviceable since what you had obviously failed to?

I don't care what analysts say. Luck and every other draft pick ever says "I want to play right away". The Colts offensive scheme is very complicated. Kerry Collins couldn't learn it, Curtis Painter couldn't even try and run it. Luck can take a season or two to learn the playbook.

Manning should go into the HOF in a Chiefs uniform.

The suspects (as identified by Adam Schefter):

-NYJ
-Washington
-Arizona
-Tennessee
-Miami

Not seeing many "one piece away" squads there.



According to Dan Patrick, San Francisco would be his best option.

LesserEvil: Beyond all that, the Colts' problems go way beyond QB. I'd be surprised if the Colts had won more than 4 games this past season with a healthy Manning.

While the first part of your statement is true, it has been true for literally the majority of the Manning era. The Colts had the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to tie or take the lead in at least half their games this year, so this 4 game nonsense is just that. This is essentially the same roster that Manning dragged to a Super Bowl berth two years ago.

Shoop008: According to Dan Patrick, San Francisco would be his best option.

According to other reporters, they're sticking with Alex Smith. Kaepernick can also step if Smith has goes all Delhomme.

What's this about riots and SWAT teams?

Next season. Write it down. Bank on it.

Shoop008: The suspects (as identified by Adam Schefter):

-NYJ
-Washington
-Arizona
-Tennessee
-Miami

Not seeing many "one piece away" squads there.


According to Dan Patrick, San Francisco would be his best option.

That would be good but for the one of NFL's biggest draft busts is now showing life and not just a little but almost made it to the Super Owl. SF not making the Super Owl wasn't Alex Smith falt.

I think DP is wrong on this. If SF had just made it to the playoff and lost the first game in it than maybe.

Manning will never play again. The nerves aren't regenerating. He is also having issues feeling his fingers and hands and has lost a lot of velocity on his throws.

/I wish I was wrong

Really though if they drop Manning like that though I hope that they fail. Manning is one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game and they are just going to throw him out like yesterday's garbage.

It wouldn't be the first time an Irsay did that to a beloved Hall-of-Fame Quaterback

GimpyNip: The Big Game At The End Of The Season is only 30 hours away!



Sees what you did there.

relcec: Forecaster18: LesserEvil: Beyond all that, the Colts' problems go way beyond QB. I'd be surprised if the Colts had won more than 4 games this past season with a healthy Manning.

While the first part of your statement is true, it has been true for literally the majority of the Manning era. The Colts had the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to tie or take the lead in at least half their games this year, so this 4 game nonsense is just that. This is essentially the same roster that Manning dragged to a Super Bowl berth two years ago.

the defense has gotten progressively worse over the past 5 years. and remember that defense inexplicably turned it on 2 years ago to help get them to the superbowl. the talented players on the offensive line are now old to ancient.

2007 #3 16.3 pts per game
2008 #7 18.6 pts per game
2009 #8 19.2 pts per game
2010 #23 24.3 pts per game
2011 #28 26.9 pts per game

The offensive line was retooled. The defense has gotten wavered back and forth. Seriously the only substantive difference on the two teams was the QB play.

relcec: redmid17: relcec: Forecaster18: LesserEvil: Beyond all that, the Colts' problems go way beyond QB. I'd be surprised if the Colts had won more than 4 games this past season with a healthy Manning.

While the first part of your statement is true, it has been true for literally the majority of the Manning era. The Colts had the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to tie or take the lead in at least half their games this year, so this 4 game nonsense is just that. This is essentially the same roster that Manning dragged to a Super Bowl berth two years ago.

the defense has gotten progressively worse over the past 5 years. and remember that defense inexplicably turned it on 2 years ago to help get them to the superbowl. the talented players on the offensive line are now old to ancient.

2007 #3 16.3 pts per game
2008 #7 18.6 pts per game
2009 #8 19.2 pts per game
2010 #23 24.3 pts per game
2011 #28 26.9 pts per game

The offensive line was retooled. The defense has gotten wavered back and forth. Seriously the only substantive difference on the two teams was the QB play.

ridiculous.
you're too emotional about your colts to make an honest assessment.
the numbers show a straight decline. and I told you this was happening two years ago when the power rankings came out. I told you they would get beat bby the jets if they played them in the first round before the season even began:


relcec 2010-05-30 07:39:58 PM http://www.fark.com/comments/5352327/Another-preseason-NFL-ranking-sy s tem-another-list-on-which-defending-Super-Bowl-champions-somehow-find- themselves-behind-Colts-Patriots

The Colts were the second worst tacklers in the league, and they had the 24th worst rushing defense ahead of only the lowly Lions, Broncos, Rams, Browns, Raiders Bills, Chiefs, and Buccaneers.

the jets, and ravens are the up and coming teams of the conference and have good young Qbs, great running games, and great defenses. it's over for the colts. they'll never go back to the Superbow ...

Injuries absolutely *raped* the 2010 defense. We IRed 10 DBs that season. 2011 saw the defense on the field on average 10 minutes more than the offense. They were exposed to so many snaps there was no chance they could compete. Look at the defense for GB, NE, and NO. All MVP capable QBs with similar or worse defenses. Trust me, it was the QB play. We couldn't sustain drives to save our lives. I don't think you realize how much Manning covered that up.

And "calling" the Jets loss is disingenous. That was one of three playoff games with 2 lead changes in the last minute since the AFL/NFL merger. Take away Caldwell's retarded timeout and the Jets go home emptyhanded. Colts roster really hasn't changed that much since 2009. Starters lost from 2009 to the 2011 team: Charlie Johnson (worst LT in the league), Kelvin Hayden (perenially injured CB), Kyle DeVan (currently unsigned since early 2011), Bob Sanders (played 2 games in 2 years). There was no substantive difference in anything but the QB play. The core is aging -- that's indisputable; Peyton not being there was really the only significant difference.

redmid17: relcec: redmid17: relcec: Forecaster18: LesserEvil: Beyond all that, the Colts' problems go way beyond QB. I'd be surprised if the Colts had won more than 4 games this past season with a healthy Manning.

While the first part of your statement is true, it has been true for literally the majority of the Manning era. The Colts had the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to tie or take the lead in at least half their games this year, so this 4 game nonsense is just that. This is essentially the same roster that Manning dragged to a Super Bowl berth two years ago.

the defense has gotten progressively worse over the past 5 years. and remember that defense inexplicably turned it on 2 years ago to help get them to the superbowl. the talented players on the offensive line are now old to ancient.

2007 #3 16.3 pts per game
2008 #7 18.6 pts per game
2009 #8 19.2 pts per game
2010 #23 24.3 pts per game
2011 #28 26.9 pts per game

The offensive line was retooled. The defense has gotten wavered back and forth. Seriously the only substantive difference on the two teams was the QB play.

ridiculous.
you're too emotional about your colts to make an honest assessment.
the numbers show a straight decline. and I told you this was happening two years ago when the power rankings came out. I told you they would get beat bby the jets if they played them in the first round before the season even began:


relcec 2010-05-30 07:39:58 PM http://www.fark.com/comments/5352327/Another-preseason-NFL-ranking-sy s tem-another-list-on-which-defending-Super-Bowl-champions-somehow-find- themselves-behind-Colts-Patriots

The Colts were the second worst tacklers in the league, and they had the 24th worst rushing defense ahead of only the lowly Lions, Broncos, Rams, Browns, Raiders Bills, Chiefs, and Buccaneers.

the jets, and ravens are the up and coming teams of the conference and have good young Qbs, great running games, and great defenses. it's over for the colts. they'll never go back to the ...

Also forgot Clint Session. My bad.

Id be more impressed if you had done more than a cursory glance at a flawed roster. The 2009 team was better than the 2011 team bc of manning. Help the 2008 team was flawed even more. 2007 was the last balanced good team the Colts had outside of manning

relcec: redmid17: Id be more impressed if you had done more than a cursory glance at a flawed roster. The 2009 team was better than the 2011 team bc of manning. Help the 2008 team was flawed even more. 2007 was the last balanced good team the Colts had outside of manning

I knew exactly who was on your team. I knew your defense was getting worse and worse and the playoff performance in 2009 by the defense was an aberration and without that amazing series of defensive performances the colts wouldn't have sniffed the superbowl that year. all the numbers indicated that. you discounted those numbers. so did everyone else but one farker (whose name I can't remember that was around here at the time). ESPN had the colts as the preseason number 1. give me a little credit. now you are saying they haven't been balanced since 2007, but two years ago you were saying they were an amazing team while I was telling you if they even made the playoffs they would be bumped in the first round by the jets or ravens (which happened) and the year after that would be even worse.

I didn't say they were amazing. I said that they were beating everyone. Manning was the difference. He was then. He would have been this year.