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London's first "shared space" road is a misery for drivers, blind people, and cleaners, but at least it looks weird
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trappedspirit
2012-02-03 06:19:36 PM
That's a spot of brilliance, right there. But you can fix that with a dirty rag.
Spoon over Marin
2012-02-03 06:20:46 PM
Yeah. Driving on granite isn't a good idea in retrospect, huh?
Dee Snarl
2012-02-03 06:21:22 PM
People and cars sharing a thoroughfare? What could go wrong??
Fell In Love With a Chair
2012-02-03 06:21:37 PM
Okay uh... can someone please explain properly how the cars and the people peacefully mingle? This sounds like a clusterfark.
mongbiohazard
2012-02-03 06:23:24 PM
Why the hell do they need some special imported granite so that pedestrians and cars can share the road? Wouldn't, oh I don't know, putting up signs that said "Drivers and pedestrians can share this road" have served the same function without putting in some high-maintenance imported surface?
JonBuck
2012-02-03 06:23:27 PM
File this under "It seemed like a good idea at the time."
LeglessDog
2012-02-03 06:23:50 PM
FTFA: "
allows drivers and pedestrians to mix freely
"
. . . and this has been a good concept since when?
Mikey1969
2012-02-03 06:25:04 PM
"...but black cab drivers say they are less confident about driving on it."
Wow, they don't even try to hide the racism, do they? (Yes, sarcasm, it's what's for dinner)
"Maintenance teams have been seen cleaning off chewing gum and skid marks left on the granite bricks by cars stopping sharply."
How are the cars leaving chewing gum on the road? Sounds like they have A.I. cars over there. Skynet really IS closer over there...
Seriously though, what's the point of this thing? Is like a free-range road/sidewalk? Pedestrian and cars have no real boundaries, just kind of mingle wherever, and this has somehow been shown to "reduce accidents"? Only in the way it reduces traffic because nobody wants to drive through such a clusterfark.
four95
2012-02-03 06:25:33 PM
FTFA: "Many tourists back the redesign, but black cab drivers say they are less confident about driving on it."
What about the white cab drivers? Didn't they have anything to say about it?
LGeezer
2012-02-03 06:26:15 PM
Fell In Love With a Chair
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Okay uh... can someone please explain properly how the cars and the people peacefully mingle? This sounds like a clusterfark.
The theory -- and there's some evidence that the practice -- is that with less certainty about who has right of way, there's much more careful consideration about what other road users are thinking. Less "He's going to stay on the sidewalk because that's where pedestrians stay, so I can go faster" and more "She looks like she's wanting to park -- I best get my smug cyclist ass the way away from her rear end"
TheSignPost
2012-02-03 06:26:54 PM
Jesus Christ.
Do the math - at that rate the budget-cut roads will be filthy in 'x' months.
Tear it up, re-suface normally, give up the experiment. It has obviously failed.
four95
2012-02-03 06:27:14 PM
Mikey1969
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"...but black cab drivers say they are less confident about driving on it."
Wow, they don't even try to hide the racism, do they? (Yes, sarcasm, it's what's for dinner)
Beat me to it.
+1 to you sir.
itsfullofstars
2012-02-03 06:27:50 PM
form over function rarely ends frugally.
BumpInTheNight
2012-02-03 06:28:29 PM
AlwaysRightBoy
2012-02-03 06:29:04 PM
I was just at the Victoria & Albert Museum, Natural History Museum and Science Museum in December and did not see this coming.
/I would have to admit that London is a very dangerous city to try to cross the street
/try Rome
// the
Churchill War Rooms
was where it's at
itsfullofstars
2012-02-03 06:29:08 PM
TheSignPost
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Tear it up, re-suface normally, give up the experiment. It has obviously failed.
Or close it to traffic and make it a pedestrian only area. Its what they planners wanted anyway.
namegoeshere
2012-02-03 06:29:49 PM
Maintenance teams have been seen cleaning off chewing gum and skid marks left on the granite bricks by cars stopping sharply.
Stopping sharply causes drivers to spit their gum out the window. So the problem here is allowing drivers to chew gum with the windows down, obviously. A "Windows UP While Chewing" campaign will soon set things right.
LGeezer
2012-02-03 06:30:26 PM
And ...
here's the wiki article on it
(new window) including a reference to a similar project in Florida.
Osomatic
2012-02-03 06:31:08 PM
Does the shape of the road form the sigil *odegra* in the language of the Black Priesthood of Ancient Mu, and mean 'Hail the Great Beast, Devourer of Worlds'?
Nick Nostril
2012-02-03 06:31:17 PM
Limey problems.
thamike
2012-02-03 06:32:58 PM
a high-grade Chinese granite surface.
HellRaisingHoosier
2012-02-03 06:33:03 PM
We ain't no fancy Brits.
We just put up signs that says Pedestrian and Vehicle through-way. And the surfaces are dark and have high traction ratings.
Roxy Monoxide
2012-02-03 06:33:57 PM
Black cab drivers!?!
Black
? Cab drivers?! *thinks for a sec* ... Oh. Right.
Black cab drivers.
AliceBToklasLives
2012-02-03 06:34:17 PM
Fell In Love With a Chair
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Okay uh... can someone please explain properly how the cars and the people peacefully mingle? This sounds like a clusterfark.
I think part of the idea, from the point of view of drivers, is that if you're focused on lights, speed limits, speed traps, red-light cameras, etc., you may not be much have time left to focus on pedestrians. So just get rid of all that stuff.
/no idea how it works in practice - sounds confusing - I like rules
//but wasn't there a recent study claiming it's safer to jaywalk in NYC than use the crosswalk? 'Cause so much is happening at the damn crosswalk, not so much in the middle of the street?
Teen Wolf Blitzer
2012-02-03 06:34:17 PM
As a professional pedestrian, I have to say that while good in theory, this idea sucks.
sarah_t_s
2012-02-03 06:35:10 PM
LGeezer
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Fell In Love With a Chair: Okay uh... can someone please explain properly how the cars and the people peacefully mingle? This sounds like a clusterfark.
The theory -- and there's some evidence that the practice -- is that with less certainty about who has right of way, there's much more careful consideration about what other road users are thinking. Less "He's going to stay on the sidewalk because that's where pedestrians stay, so I can go faster" and more "She looks like she's wanting to park -- I best get my smug cyclist ass the way away from her rear end"
It doesn't factor in London though. It's a hell of a city. A dirty city. A city where people will throw you in front of a tube train rather than wait 2min for the next one. Cyclists are only worth 5 points. You get 5 bonus ones if it was both a courier and on a job, every where else a saddle bum is a minimum of 20 points; that should tell you about London.
Someone will do rolling burnouts up and down this simply because it looks fun.
mmnessa
2012-02-03 06:35:25 PM
What's so appealing about this? Why would I want to walk on some posh-floored road where there are no traffic regulations and cars can easily
mingle with
run over pedestrians?
This is either suicidal behavior, or New Delhi wannabe-ism
RoxtarRyan
2012-02-03 06:36:15 PM
Mikey1969
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"...but black cab drivers say they are less confident about driving on it."
Wow, they don't even try to hide the racism, do they? (Yes, sarcasm, it's what's for dinner)
Beat me to it as well.
Sass-O-Rev
2012-02-03 06:37:03 PM
It's a parking lot.
skyotter
2012-02-03 06:39:20 PM
Osomatic
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Does the shape of the road form the sigil *odegra* in the language of the Black Priesthood of Ancient Mu, and mean 'Hail the Great Beast, Devourer of Worlds'?
this post is the very first time i've ever hit both smart AND funny.
/never let you go (let me go)
quoinguy
2012-02-03 06:39:43 PM
Stupid Euro-trash idea is stupid.
No kerbs (because they can't spell "curb")
Driving on easy-to-stain granite
No defined line between sidewalk and road
I sense a death or fifty before this all plays out. Or the installation of a bunch of post barriers to define a sidewalk zone.
And then just paving over the center within a couple years.
Walker
2012-02-03 06:39:46 PM
What could possibly go JESUS CHRIST THERE'S A CAR ON TOP OF ME!
AliceBToklasLives
2012-02-03 06:40:05 PM
mmnessa
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What's so appealing about this? Why would I want to walk on some posh-floored road where there are no traffic regulations and cars can easily mingle with run over pedestrians?
This is either suicidal behavior, or New Delhi wannabe-ism
I'm pretty sure automobiles are central to the Indian government's efforts to keep population growth under control.
/One good thing about Americans - we drive safer than anyone else - the rest of the world is like the damn thunderdome
Mikey1969
2012-02-03 06:40:39 PM
Fell In Love With a Chair
:
Okay uh... can someone please explain properly how the cars and the people peacefully mingle? This sounds like a
clusterfark
.
Coincidentally, I used the exact same word to describe it.
LGeezer
2012-02-03 06:42:14 PM
sarah_t_s
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It doesn't factor in London though. It's a hell of a city. A dirty city. A city where people will throw you in front of a tube train rather than wait 2min for the next one. Cyclists are only worth 5 points. You get 5 bonus ones if it was both a courier and on a job, every where else a saddle bum is a minimum of 20 points; that should tell you about London.
Someone will do rolling burnouts up and down this simply because it looks fun.
I'm a Londoner, posting from London ... and I would pay good money to see cyclists thrown under a tube train. I'm willing to give this a chance if it slows the bastiches down!
Deacon Blue
2012-02-03 06:43:02 PM
This is the sort of street that encourages knife and sharp pencil crime. Possibly even taking the Queen's name in vain.
BumpInTheNight
2012-02-03 06:43:52 PM
LGeezer
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sarah_t_s:It doesn't factor in London though. It's a hell of a city. A dirty city. A city where people will throw you in front of a tube train rather than wait 2min for the next one. Cyclists are only worth 5 points. You get 5 bonus ones if it was both a courier and on a job, every where else a saddle bum is a minimum of 20 points; that should tell you about London.
Someone will do rolling burnouts up and down this simply because it looks fun.
I'm a Londoner, posting from London ... and I would pay good money to see cyclists thrown under a tube train. I'm willing to give this a chance if it slows the bastiches down!
I really hope that's some sort of british slang for a subway.
LeroyBourne
2012-02-03 06:44:00 PM
Roxy Monoxide
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Black cab drivers!?! Black? Cab drivers?! *thinks for a sec* ... Oh. Right.
Black cab drivers.
Jens Lekman?
/i think i see what you did there, but might have dug too deep?
sarah_t_s
2012-02-03 06:48:45 PM
LGeezer
:
I'm a Londoner, posting from London ... and I would pay good money to see cyclists thrown under a tube train. I'm willing to give this a chance if it slows the bastiches down!
Well if we increase them to 25 points that'll help but we're going to have to put a bag limit on or we'll send them the way of the Dodo and nobody'll have fun after that.
Shaggy_C
2012-02-03 06:50:30 PM
Sounds like a good spot for an open air market.
traylor
2012-02-03 06:50:39 PM
They should do the math: what is cheaper, cleaning chewing gums of skid marks? Then based, on the results, they should ban either pedestrians or vehicles.
People, it is that farking simple.
calbert
2012-02-03 06:52:11 PM
by leaving the gum on the road, you prevent skid marks by cars braking abruptly... the gum will catch the tires and stretch the car to a gentle stop.
it doesn't take a Roads Scholar to figure this out.
trentrockport
2012-02-03 06:54:41 PM
LeglessDog
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FTFA: "allows drivers and pedestrians to mix freely"
. . . and this has been a good concept since when?
Came here to say this. Imagining what a "mixed use aquarium" might look like.
ShawnDoc
2012-02-03 06:55:43 PM
LGeezer
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"She looks like she's wanting to park -- I best get my smug cyclist ass the way away from her rear end"
Since when have cyclists given a shiat about right of way or traffic laws?
namegoeshere
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Stopping sharply causes drivers to spit their gum out the window. So the problem here is allowing drivers to chew gum with the windows down, obviously. A "Windows UP While Chewing" campaign will soon set things right.
This is the UK. They'll just outlaw gum.
LGeezer
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And ... here's the wiki article on it (new window) including a reference to a similar project in Florida.
I knew something this stupid would be related to Florida somehow.
four95
2012-02-03 06:55:55 PM
Roxy Monoxide
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Black cab drivers!?! Black? Cab drivers?! *thinks for a sec* ... Oh. Right.
[images.mirror.co.uk image 450x292]
Black cab drivers.
logruszed
2012-02-03 06:56:29 PM
How much money are blind people spending at wax museums?
LGeezer
2012-02-03 06:56:30 PM
sarah_t_s
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Well if we increase them to 25 points that'll help but we're going to have to put a bag limit on or we'll send them the way of the Dodo and nobody'll have fun after that.
Bag limit works for me, as long as there stays no limit on septics in plus-fours. Except Drew, innit
TravisBickle62
2012-02-03 06:59:05 PM
I don't see color in cab drivers ... I tip them the same regardless.
jdbob
2012-02-03 07:00:26 PM
AliceBToklasLives
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/One good thing about Americans - we drive safer than anyone else - the rest of the world is like the damn thunderdome
Well, not quite.
The world's deadliest roads (2010)
1 Greece 113 deaths
2 Romania 111 deaths
3 United States 106 deaths
4= Bulgaria, Poland 102 deaths
5 Latvia 97 deaths
6 Croatia 96 deaths
7 Lithuania 90 deaths
8 New Zealand 87 deaths
9 Portugal 79 deaths
10 Belgium 77 deaths
18 Australia 60 deaths
30 Great Britain 31 deaths
Per million population.
MythRender
2012-02-03 07:07:05 PM
From TFA: "But charities for the blind said the redesign "alienated" people with sight problems."
Well, just tell the blind that they changed the road back to the way it was How will they know?
/your seeing eye dog wants steak?
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