oukewldave: Miami is pretty bad, unless you are a well-off cuban or dominican. From what I saw while my bro lived there for awhile, it is not a place for a white boy from Ohio. There are no jobs unless you speak fluent Spanish.

This. Learn to speak the language, and there's plenty of opportunity in Miami/Ft.Lauderdale

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: If it wasn't already obvious at a glance that Forbes' lists are BS, read the metrics to see how they come up with them, and you'll know. Just ignore these idiots.

Now, now, this is Fark...we don't allow logic and/or critical thinking in the threads, remember? Hell, most of us don't even read the articles let alone go citation surfing.

What else does Miami & Hartford have in common?
--Both have minor league hockey teams!

Guess they've never been to El Cajon.

/there's a reason it's the anus of San Diego
//El cajon de mierda

cookiefleck: Onkel Buck: I see Flint and The D made the list, would not have been a list otherwise. I grew up 45 minutes east of Flint and 50 minutes north of Detroit. If you were running, gunning, or hiding you came to PoHo.

I hear Detroit is becoming a Hipster mecca. Fixer upper houses for super cheap near a hotbed of music?

Makes sense, if any place on earth had the potential to get worse it would be Detroit..

So #6 is Chicago? And it's because of the weather?! This winter has been depressingly warm, an that picture was from a once a decade blizzard. For the vast majority of us who were not on Lake Shore Drive that night, it was a pleasant day off work the next day. Yeah traffic kinda sucks at certain parts of the day, but at least our public transportation is pretty good. The taxes are high too, but so are the wages, so there is that. Yay Chicago!

In CA the difference between the coastal areas, the central valley and the Sierras are so mind boggling drastic that it's hard to believe you're in the same freakin country. North to south I can understand but the west to east stratification is ... I don't know ... disturbing.

Been to FL a few times and my only complaint was not being able to get a steak medium rare. WTF? Just because you don't have cattle, does that mean you have to ruin bovine bliss for everyone in your state?

I totally agree with this article. Miami is a cesspool. If everything south of say, West Palm Beach suddenly fell into the ocean- good riddance.

Having lived in Miami for 20 years, there is an overwhelming and pervasive undertone to the city that practically shreiks 'ME! ME, First!'

I have never met a mass of sub-humans that are as unconcerned with their fellow beings as I have in South Florida. The lack of common courtesy, decency, and integrity is disgusting. This happens in big cities all over I know, but in Miami there's literally no escape. Everyone is out to rip everyone else off by whatever means possible.

Just a few of the lowlights from my stay: After Hurricane Andrew one of my neighbors broke in to another neighbors house and robbed it, including their big screen TV. When the daughter of the thieving family let it slip they had their TV, victim's family confronted them. Thief then smashed TV and said it was ruined in the storm, so they salvaged it, but daughter said they were watching it.

- Bear in mind these are middle class people and were friends and lived together for many years.

Elderly woman has a visiting nurse who had a criminal for a son. Son sees that old lady has a few nice things and breaks in and robs, rapes and kills her. Son then keeps coming back and raping the body. Mom then catches son in the act, and doesn't turn him in! She turns him in only after she is caught trying to use credit cards belonging to old lady.

Of course too many 'baby traded for crack money' stories to count. And mom/dad/sibling pimping out sister/daughter for money for drugs.

Oh, and practically half the elected government, including law enforcement, was caught buying stolen suits from a freight hijacking. And the former mayor the 2nd largest city is a felon convicted for corruption and embezzlement of public funds.


Then there's the Medicare Fraund Capital of the free world title. And Boca Raton with more financial crimes per capita than anywhere else in the country.

Not to mention my personal experience, I've been mugged once, held up at gunpoint twice, carjacked once, and had my car stolen 3 times. And I lived in a pretty decent area.

So if you don't mind those things you certainly won't mind the crumbling, asbestos laden schools, the dogshiat thrown in your yard by neighbors, your mail stolen by identity thieves, the scratches and door dings at every turn, the incessant panhandlers. The 40% of drivers without insurance, and 10% without a valid license.

So yeah the weather's nice and warm, I'm convinved it's because Miami is that much closer to Hell.

downstairs: Not saying zero, but very very little.

Clearly you've never lived in Rhode Island.

Loueloui: Having lived in Miami for 20 years ... Not to mention my personal experience, I've been mugged once, held up at gunpoint twice, carjacked once, and had my car stolen 3 times. And I lived in a pretty decent area.

WTF Dude... move to Oakland Ca.

gibbon1: Loueloui: Having lived in Miami for 20 years ... Not to mention my personal experience, I've been mugged once, held up at gunpoint twice, carjacked once, and had my car stolen 3 times. And I lived in a pretty decent area.

WTF Dude... move to Oakland Ca.

Seriously - I thought the stories that I heard about Detroit were bad.

I just got out of Miami a few months ago after living there for 7 years.


It's a cess pool full of completely miserable people. Like my old office mate said, those people really know how to ruin a wet dream.

Some politician called it a third world country a few years ago and everyone got upset.. but I think life in most third world countries is happier

tnpir: Miami named most miserable U.S. city by panel of judges who have never been to Hartford Shreveport

FTFY

I'll see your Shreveport and raise you a Morgan City

/Lived in Houma for a year
//Not a thrilling place either, but it was the light of western civilization after spending a day in Morgan City

Rik01: I don't know if I agree with the article or not. Miami has certainly changed over the decades -- since the Cuban Invasion began and pretty well you need to speak Spanish if you work there.

IMO, it was a crap place to be years ago and it's still a crap place. The first thing you notice is far too many folks jammed in a small space and the second is the 'beautiful beaches' are crammed shoulder to shoulder with condos and usually packed with far too many people.

The third thing is the prices of everything, especially housing, to be California high. There used to be a strong middle class there, but most of it was pushed out by the wealthy and the very poor. Crime has been pretty bad there for decades, just switching from Whites to Blacks to Hispanics.

Yeah, lots of pretty babes in bikini's, buff suntanned dudes strolling around, tropical climate, beautiful waters but you can barely see the skies off the beaches due to development, the place is full of Cuban restaurants and Cuban music and tons of Cubans who hate the US and are dreaming of the day they can return to Cuba. The business centers are crowded, like in any other major city and there's a constant fight to keep the place clean.

The traffic is a nightmare. Drug smugglers and illicit drug dealers are doing very well. Plus, Florida is Hurricane Central and the Lightening Capitol of the States.

Basically, like any other over developed, over crowded big city.

BTW. Florida seems like a tropical dream until you spend a few of the usually wet, steamy HOT summers here and go through winters which can barely even be called winter. Then, in the summer you have the usual tourist influx followed by the tourist exodus in the fall and the very high elderly population.

Personally, I've been considering Georgia or Virginia. At least they don't have alligators and, now, Big Dangerous Snakes in every mud puddle or pond in the state.

This, mostly. IMO, and I grew up there, I bet that every Cuban who has ever said they will go back once Fidel is gone, are full of shiat. They will never leave Miami.

gibbon1: Loueloui: Having lived in Miami for 20 years ... Not to mention my personal experience, I've been mugged once, held up at gunpoint twice, carjacked once, and had my car stolen 3 times. And I lived in a pretty decent area.

WTF Dude... move to Oakland Ca.

There are certainly worse places than Miami. But they don't have Miami's "nice beaches, warm weather, hot women" reputation. The real Miami where you end up living and working is rather shiatty. Also very much agree that there doesn't seem to be a middle class. They all fled to far outlying areas as far as I can tell. I stopped at a random Subway restaurant in Hialeah and literally could not order because the lady behind the counter didn't even speak enough english to understand "footlong club". I had to point to everything to get my sandwich assembled.

Also somewhat surprised that Tampa didn't make the list. Not because Tampa is a bad place, but it usually seems to end up on these kinds of lists.