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2003-10-21 02:45:00 AM
Got a question for the asshat liberals.. how come if someone is Conservative and from hollywood they are a tool for evil. and jokers like mr Susan sarandon and mike "MR DUMPY" Moore, are hailed as saints? Why is that? so to the liberals who are just ticked off that america is fed up with the antics of the left.... i have a nice hot steamy cup of STFU.

Pot, meet kettle.
 
2003-10-21 02:45:01 AM
ok, so what happens when these people become poor or become the aforementioned (somewhere in this thread) crackhead on the street in front of their home lowering property values. what do you do with them now? hope the churches kick in and help? hope cops arrest them on vagrancy charges so we have to build more jails? some people can pull up by their "bootstraps", some cannot for many reasons. should the richest country in the world ignore them? wouldn't that make us like calcutta?

social programs exist for a reason people. because we are a society.


Fark em. Seriously. I don't want society taking care of me, and I sure as hell don't think I should be obligated to take care of all the loosers out there. Let their families take care of them That's what families are for. If we weren't paying 50% or more of our incomes to pay for all this stuff people would be able to take care of themselves.

The only people who I would be willing to have society take care of are those with real disabilities. People who have no one and really can't take care of themselves.

Fark the crack heads, put them in jail. If some crack head is loitering in front of my house I'll go outside and run his sorry ass off.
 
2003-10-21 02:45:02 AM
fstop: "mr Susan sarandon and mike "MR DUMPY" Moore, are hailed as saints"

Really? That's news to me and I have tons of liberal friends. Some like Sarandon's acting and Moore's humor, but that's about the end of it.
 
2003-10-21 02:46:44 AM
I can see it now, everyone and their mother would run to the doctor for every little scrape and cold, bringing the whole system to it's knees and the people who really needed to see a doctor would get lost in the chaos.

not at all. that's like saying people would take their cars into the body shop for every door ding and paint chip since they have car insurance. having deductables in auto/health insurance cancels these scenarios out.
 
2003-10-21 02:47:46 AM
"Slogan sure to be some obscure comedic reference that no one gets"

Oh, no, you mean I'm the only one who gets him?
 
2003-10-21 02:48:22 AM
Then, Wil, I think you're mosty libertarian, rather than liberal.

Most liberals tend to believe that big government is not necessarily a bad thing, but rather abide by the old Progressive beliefs that government is the only possible way of fixing the problems of modern society.

But then again, I suppose you can call yourself whatever you want. :-)
 
2003-10-21 02:49:20 AM
Rant Part 2....
"2003-10-20 11:35:18 PM the_pgoat
It boggles the mind that the same republicans who are getting all excited about this, shun and ostracize certain liberal actors and actresses.

I want someone to tell me why it is deplorable for Tim Robbins to take a public political stance, yet it is celebrated for Republican actors to win elections with their entertainment value and high profile in the eyes of Americans....."

Ill tell you why. When libs do it. All they want to do is project doom and gloom. Oh its so sad that bla blla bllaaazzzzzz. Its ok that Tim gets up and flaps his liberal text book babble. But what else is he going to do. Nothing. Thats it.
Arnold, and other hollywood type that have stepped up to the plate and decided that they want to make a change. Thats what America is all about. WTF has that slob Michal moore contributed? oh i forgot a "documentary about guns" That movie is as much a non fiction documentary as Star Wars is about NASA.
I must say, that i do not agree that Aaarnold should be gov. I think the other republican was a much better guy for the job. Plus the morals thing.
I have to agree with what Glenn Beck said, with that campaign it was like the libs and the republicans swapped scripts one day. I though that was funny.
 
2003-10-21 02:49:40 AM
Jesus 2.0
anomaly


The systems that exist don't work like that. You report your condition, and they schedule an appointment with a doctor for you based upon the nature of the condition reported. Serious reports get top priority, minor conditions may have to wait very long periods of time for treatment. Depending on the amount of physicians able to work normal hours, treatment periods can stretch into the months.

And keep in mind this works off of PATIENT SELF-DIAGNOSIS. If you're not aware that getting "pins and needles" in your left hand often is a serious precursor to stroke, you're going to report it as something minor but nagging - and be placed way back in a queue, meaning you're not going to get the treatment you NEED until something very serious happens because of it. Many things, such as cancer, do not get the early treatments that greatly improve survival rates because their onset symptoms seem mild to the untrained observer.
 
2003-10-21 02:50:03 AM
WilliamWallace - "1. Abolish political parties."

Hm! That would be very satisfying, but I think they'd just be replaced by political party-like products.

"2. No multiple terms."

I like this idea as well.

"3. No soft money, no lobbying. If you want to contact your representative, you use the normal methods: mail, email, phone, fax. Only real humans can contribute to a campaign fund. Why should a rich guy/company get personal access to a politician? How is this not bribery?"

amen

"4. Implement a smarter voting method. We no longer rely on our 'representatives' to drive their horse and buggy to Washington to inform them of our vote. And if an area is rural and not highly populated, I'm sorry, they won't get as much personal attention from campaigners ... that is what you get when you decide to live in a rural area."

I'm going to assume this means that you'd like to get rid of the electoral college.

I do not like this idea. The electoral college is an artifact from a time when state's rights was held in higher esteem. Now, I know the phrase "state's rights" has some unfortunate associations, but if the concept were held in higher regard, we wouldn't see crap like DEA agents arresting California citizens for abiding by the laws of California.

I also don't want to see the east and west coast turn the central states into a giant garbage/nuclear power plant repository. Just something I'm paranoid about.
 
2003-10-21 02:52:49 AM
tostupidtocareit's been proven time and time again that illegal aliens take out of the system more than they put in.

prove it. maybe if companies didn't hire illegals to keep costs down and profit up, then we wouldn't have so many. and we wouldn't have them taking our social services. but then the INS needs to be shored up. and that costs money too.


The point is, if the are here illegally, they shouldn't get shat. They should get deported. I don't care if they put more in than they take or not, if they come here illegally they need to be treated as criminals. Maybe that's a harsh outlook, but they shouldn't be here unless they go through the proper channels.
 
2003-10-21 02:53:29 AM
No multiple terms? Yeah, nothing like a politician who can cater to the special interests that got them elected without fear of retribution form the populace next election cycle.
 
2003-10-21 02:55:32 AM
The systems that exist don't work like that. You report your condition, and they schedule an appointment with a doctor for you based upon the nature of the condition reported. Serious reports get top priority, minor conditions may have to wait very long periods of time for treatment. Depending on the amount of physicians able to work normal hours, treatment periods can stretch into the months.

And keep in mind this works off of PATIENT SELF-DIAGNOSIS. If you're not aware that getting "pins and needles" in your left hand often is a serious precursor to stroke, you're going to report it as something minor but nagging - and be placed way back in a queue, meaning you're not going to get the treatment you NEED until something very serious happens because of it. Many things, such as cancer, do not get the early treatments that greatly improve survival rates because their onset symptoms seem mild to the untrained observer.


In a perfect world it would work that way, but in reality it doesn't. Ask the Canadians and Jappanese who come here for treatment of serious illnesses.
 
2003-10-21 02:56:37 AM
Multiple terms? Nothing like one-stop representative shopping.
 
2003-10-21 02:56:43 AM
anomaly but you can't have it both ways. you can't say fark the losers and at the same time, expect a safe and clean society. you will pay one way or the other. social benefits or more cops, more prisons, etc.

personally, i think the whole system needs an overhaul, but politicians are too coward to cut what needs to be cut, because they need people's votes and everyone thinks their social service is special, ie - afterschool programs for kiddies, medicare for the old folks, a prescription drug benefit for the old...yadda yadda yadda.

anomaly nice to see you are still awake...
 
2003-10-21 02:58:08 AM
I want someone to tell me why it is deplorable for Tim Robbins to take a public political stance, yet it is celebrated for Republican actors to win elections with their entertainment value and high profile in the eyes of Americans....."

Because Robbins is an idiot. Listen to the junk he says. I'm not saying this because he's a liberal either; he's seriously an idiot.
 
2003-10-21 02:58:40 AM
"Nothing like one-stop representative shopping."

Care to elaborate?

BTW: If the electoral college is so important, why has it only differed from the poular vote twice (both times resulting in a huge legal battle)?
 
2003-10-21 02:59:38 AM
anomaly

Maybe you need sleep, or something. Read my postings on socialized medicine again. I was AGREEING with you. They are unfeasible as they currently exist. Just not for the reasons you gave.
 
2003-10-21 03:01:19 AM
personally, i think the whole system needs an overhaul, but politicians are too coward to cut what needs to be cut, because they need people's votes and everyone thinks their social service is special, ie - afterschool programs for kiddies, medicare for the old folks, a prescription drug benefit for the old...yadda yadda yadda."

I agree with you. I know my comment was simplified, but on a basic level that's how I see it.

I'm barely awake, getting dizzy! LOL everytime I go to close the lid on my computer I see something new I want to comment on :D
 
2003-10-21 03:02:17 AM
Just have to buy one.

It's the pretty much the last vestige of state's rights.
 
2003-10-21 03:02:42 AM
Maybe you need sleep, or something. Read my postings on socialized medicine again. I was AGREEING with you. They are unfeasible as they currently exist. Just not for the reasons you gave.
LMAO ! You got that right! I better quit before I start arguing with myself :D
 
2003-10-21 03:03:41 AM
i don't think any illegals should get services in theory. but in fact, they are here, and they are being employed. if people weren't hiring, they wouldn't be here.

and while it would be nice to get everyone who came here illegally deported, how are you going to fund that superprogram?


re: healthcare: instead of bashing canada, which some here seem to do well, and i am sure canada's healthcare has flaws, i don't see anyone proposing anything better than either system. raise your hand if you're happy with your healthcare now. no one? thought so.
 
2003-10-21 03:06:34 AM
Scrotar: So A bought politician who doesn't have to please the populace is better than a bought politician who does have to please the populace? You haven't even thought this out have you?


"It's the pretty much the last vestige of state's rights."

How would states have less rights without it, given that 99% of the time it mirrors the poular vote? Would it have been unfair to anyone if those 2 times it did mirror the popular vote? If so, how?
 
2003-10-21 03:09:34 AM
and while it would be nice to get everyone who came here illegally deported, how are you going to fund that superprogram?


re: healthcare: instead of bashing canada, which some here seem to do well, and i am sure canada's healthcare has flaws, i don't see anyone proposing anything better than either system. raise your hand if you're happy with your healthcare now. no one? thought so.


Actually I like bill O'Reilly's idea to use the national guard. Not to deport them, but to prevent them from getting here in the first place. Perfect/ No, but it's a good start.

My heath care sucks. Cost more every year and get less benifits.

I cut my hand with a chainsaw a few weeks ago and had to go to the ER. I got 14 stiches, was in and out in 2 hours and the bill was $1000. After my insurance paid their part I had to pay $160

The same thing 3 years ago would have cost me $50.

WHile I'm not happy with it, I would have probably lost my hand under government controlled healthcare :D
 
2003-10-21 03:10:38 AM
MikeWeath - OK, OK. Maybe it's just a picture of an old girlfriend I'm not able to throw away.
 
2003-10-21 03:11:16 AM
kitten_b:

raise your hand if you're happy with your healthcare now. no one? thought so.

I'm happy with my healthcare now.

I'm just not happy with the healthcare of the least of my brethren now.
 
2003-10-21 03:11:27 AM
kitten_b


tostupidtocareit's been proven time and time again that illegal aliens take out of the system more than they put in.

prove it.


prove it yourself by doing a "illegal aliens cost california" goodle search. some of the info garnered from the search:

The Los Angeles Times reports that 950,000 illegals live in the five counties comprising the greater Los Angeles area. Their economic activity is mostly underground, which means the employers pay low cash wages, no overtime, no benefits and no taxes.

John Chiang of the State Board of Equalization, California's tax oversight agency, estimates that the state loses $7 billion a year in unpaid taxes because of the underground sector.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said the cost of medical care provided to illegal aliens in California last year was $980 million.

California spends the most $2.2 billion to educate illegal immigrant children. Ranking second and third, respectively, are Texas and New York.


In the case of California, Urban Institute calculations for 1992 suggest that California spent $1.8 billion on prisons, education, and health care for illegal aliens, while California's Department of Finance estimated that $2.4 billion was spent on illegal aliens in 1993-94. The Urban Institute estimated that illegal aliens paid $732 million in taxes in 1992, while California estimated that they paid $528 to $1.4 billion in taxes.

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good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.
 
2003-10-21 03:14:17 AM
kitten_b

Remove the ability to sue doctors for anything more than direct cost of treatment/loss of pay, and you will vastly improve modern healthcare. So many incredibly skilled doctors have left the profession because it is getting to the point that treating people is too much of a monetary risk. There exists insurance against claims, but those policies have been raised to extreme levels of price by the nature of modern lawsuits and their million-dollar returns.

Health insurance as a for-profit industry has also ruined those people willing to treat difficult or rare illnesses, so a government INSURANCE program I would be in favour of, so long as it is run better than the ones we currently have. Medicare is too concerned with giving care to those who can't afford it to deal with giving care to those who can't find it - two highly different animals. Run it as a non-profit, but also NON-LOSS industry, and it will have my full support.

There, two ways to improve the American health-care system. And it's still better than the alternative without them, so there's still no reason to change over.
 
2003-10-21 03:15:48 AM
Scrotar: You drunk?
 
2003-10-21 03:17:54 AM
i don't argue that they cost plenty, but they still get hired, so why aren't you pissed off at corporations that hire them and benefit from them but you the taxpayer have to pick up the tab.

yeah, the price of your lettuce could be tripled, but i think people would biatch about that too. people want to blame illegals, but refuse to see the whole economic circle that makes their existence here possible.

sleep on that.
 
2003-10-21 03:18:04 AM
ToStupidToCare
i still haven't found any civil liberties the Bush administration has trampled over.


May I present to you
[cue trumpets]
CAPPS II
[cut trumpets]

CAPPS II
(That's Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System version 2.0)

CAPPS II will screen passengers before they board a plane to fly and if the government doesn't like what they see in your personal files, they will arrest and detain you, without due process or a hearing. The civil liberty that this infringes on is right to due process, the right to be able to travel within the country without governmental interference or spying, or even the presumption of innocence.

Additional Reading
 
2003-10-21 03:18:46 AM
Dear God
 
2003-10-21 03:18:52 AM
ToStupidTooCare:

i have four words for those who want government run health care: Department of Motor Vehicles. the next time you're in line at the dmv waiting for some side show drop out to take your car registration renewal paperwork, just remember... this is the same personnel that would be in charge of your health care issues.

Interesting example and a very popular one to bash on; coincidentally, though, it's one I have had a recent experience with. Had to do a title transfer on a car I bought last summer; I was 3 or 4 months late in dealing with it. I was in and out of the place in 15 minutes with my new registration. Got my new title in a week. In the brief time I had to wait to be helped, I had a chair to sit in until my name was called. I can't say that I can recall ever having had as easy a time dealing with the current health care system.
 
2003-10-21 03:21:09 AM
kitten_b


it seems from the history on this thread that many conservatives would like to cut benefits to people in our society, like illegal immigrants and their kids, or to cut investing in social security.
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social programs exist for a reason people. because we are a society.


No, they just want limits. I don't think someone of the conservative persuasion truely believes that illegals deserve no assistance and that their children are to be treated as pariahs. If that is indeed the impression left by this thread then it is simply comprised of a poor representation of conservatives.

I agree, social programs are a safety net. They are there to catch you when you fall, especially if you don't have family to lean on. I have used these services before and I see the important value of them, but I've also seen the abuse.

If you are on Welfare, is it not too much to ask to have the person attend training courses, or in return for helping them with tuition for schooling, so that they can find a higher paying job, that they pay the government back, similar to a student loan program. It is in the best interests of the government to have skilled, high paying jobs and we should help those who want help.

Welfare must switch from a long-term crutch for the hopeless and destitute into a short-term, temporary service that helps give back to people some sense of purpose, dignity, a plan for improvement, and to break the cycle of dependence and poverty.
 
2003-10-21 03:23:42 AM
I would agree DMV isn't a good example anymore. Last time I was there to renew my license i was in and out in 10 minutes, but I did have an appointment which makes all the difference.

DMV actually seems to have got their shiat together in the last few years. I think mainly because most stuff can be done by mail or online.
 
2003-10-21 03:24:35 AM
drakkenmaw just curious, if you had a son, say through some random accident, the doctor accidentally cuts off his penis, would you accept the cost of the the "treatment" ie - the birth, as enough of a reparation?

couple o' grand for your son's dick? you ok with that?
 
2003-10-21 03:28:46 AM
i too, had a good experience at the DMV as did my friend in CA this week. though the app't makes ALL the difference.
 
2003-10-21 03:29:34 AM
 
2003-10-21 03:33:19 AM
kitten_b

Well, first thing I'd do would be to laugh. Loudly. But that's just because I'm a bit of a bastard.

I'd then sue for the cost of the procedure, yes. And, once I got it, I'd indeed be satisfied with the money I got back.

I would then request that the doctor lost his license to practice medicine. For a long period of time, if not permanently. Medical review boards are an important part of the regulatory process, after all. The doctor may not have too much of a problem getting it reinstated after a while, but that would mean he has passed competency tests given to him - and I'd have no problem after that. In the meantime, he's been financially hurt and his record as a physician has suffered - probably losing him patients. The system is served, the person who erred is punished, and tests will be run through to make sure no one else gets hurt. All without damaging the ability for other doctors to practice in their chosen fields.

So, no. I'm not okay with just leaving it be. But I don't view money as the end-all and be-all of society. My supposed son's reproductive capacity is not worth money to me. It would transcend it. As all important things do.
 
2003-10-21 03:35:31 AM
I love this place.
 
2003-10-21 03:38:43 AM
couple o' grand for your son's dick?

Sounds like a pretty shady deal.
 
2003-10-21 03:44:24 AM
drakkenmaw just wait til you get the kid's therapist's bills.

"Dad, you didn't love me enough to sue for my johnson!!!"

"But, son, money is not the answer to everything."

"try telling that to my dick, dad and cough up $1500 this month!"

...i kid, i kid.
 
2003-10-21 03:46:02 AM
Slightly off-topic, but not too much so. And only because of the "actors should stay the f*ck out of politics (unless they agree with me)" rants...

I really, really hate listening to a sports program and, out of the blue, getting a blast of the host's political opining. If I wanted political talk, there's a zillion stations I could be tuned into. But for a break from all of that, I want to hear who won the baseball game, or whoever's doing what in whatever season it is. Fox Sports Radio is the worst for this... during the initial stages of the Iraq invasion, they were absolutely insufferable. And I don't think I would've been any less pissed off it they'd suddenly gone all Janeane Garofalo on me either (he said preëmptively). Stick with what you (purportedly) know...

My rant is done. Thank you for your kind indulgence.
 
2003-10-21 03:50:49 AM
My main problem with Dennis Miller is that he's just not funny. It's not that he's conservative; as any P.J. O'Rourke fan can tell you, great humor can cross all political lines. It's just that political humor per se is the same as talking about your family: it's one of those delicate subjects that only a gifted comedian can make funny. Dennis Miller is not a gifted comedian. He's an asshole.

By the way, I'm surprised no one has mentioned his appearance on "Family Guy":

"I don't wanna go on a RANT here, but our country's foreign policy makes about sense as Beowulf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first battle of Antietam. I mean when a neo-conservative defestrates, it's like Raskolnikov filibuster deoxymonohydroxinate."

[Peter: What the hell does "rant" mean?]
 
2003-10-21 03:52:46 AM
Miller was sort of funny up until 9/11, then he got REALLY right wing. Now he's about as funny as Henry Rollins.
 
2003-10-21 03:52:52 AM
*Shrug.* I plan to seriously screw up any kids I have, anyways. As a teen, most kids will rebel against those things they have always been taught to do. Thus, I will teach my kid the exact OPPOSITE of how I want him to turn out, so that then when he rebels I can admit that it's exactly the way I wanted him to be, then laugh.

I'd make one of the most terrible parents EVER.
 
2003-10-21 03:54:45 AM
kitten_b:

"couple o' grand for your son's dick?"


Angling for a new career as some sort of kinky auctioneer, are we?
 
2003-10-21 03:59:58 AM
some sick sick farkers out there...
but kinky auctions pay well and have great benefits, i could be into it.
 
2003-10-21 04:02:35 AM
Queen Mushroom:

Thank you for invoking the name of P.J. O'Rourke. That's a very good point that I wish had been made a lot earlier in this thread.
 
2003-10-21 04:09:46 AM
I like labels, they make life simple. It's easy to guage where you stand compared to someone else

I like labels too. You know what I like to label people who want classify someone's entire belief system with one word?

MORON
 
2003-10-21 04:10:44 AM
want TO classify rather
 
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