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(Politico)   Congressional Republicans are fiercely debating whether they should even try to formulate a policy agenda this year, or whether they should just keep going with "Obama sucks and we have nothing to offer"   (politico.com) divider line 108
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2012-02-03 11:30:15 AM
So, Mitch: What would you say you DO here?
 
2012-02-03 11:31:26 AM
 
2012-02-03 11:34:12 AM

Arctic Phoenix: Lost Thought 00: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It won them huge gains in 2010, I see no reason to expect the same tactics to win them a supermajority in both houses in 2012.

Only problem with that is that they've pissed off a large number of their constituents since then with various policies and tactics (or lack thereof). Ergo, I don't think it will continue to work. People are tired of the BS.


Not only that, but the Republicans ran on the economy in 2010. It was in their best interests to make sure the economy took off after that so they could have the compare and contrast to play with. Instead, 2011 proved to be one of the worst years for them. They grossly misunderstood why they were put into place in 2010 and then ran rampant over a lot of people. As a Midwesterner, I can tell because they alienated a bunch of older people who were desperate for any sort of change and made their situation that much worse. It's hard to see the Republicans gaining any ground with anybody who voted for them in 2010, not to mention the grandstanding that the Republicans lost in 2011.

The Republicans are pretty much floundering now. The fact that they're trying to decide on an agenda in an election year just makes them look like they're worried about keeping their jobs. If they had their shiat together, they would be in a better position with a better economy so they could keep playing their social conservative card. Instead, it's even more about the economy nowadays. And the Republicans have shown that they're not above lying to get into power, only to make Americans poorer.

The Republicans aren't playing this year to win. They're playing because they know they can't beat Obama, and that he's wise to their tricks and they've got nothing left.
 
2012-02-03 11:34:58 AM

NateGrey: Economy doing better? Alot of concerned and angry Republicans. (new window)


So basically, their strategy is to accuse the White House of being lying liars. That's brilliant!
 
2012-02-03 11:35:58 AM

NateGrey: Economy doing better? Alot of concerned and angry Republicans. (new window)


THE U3 NUMBERS ARE LOOKING GOOD BUT THERE ARE ALSO U6 NUMBERS LIBTARD

ALSO, DON'T TELL ME HOW THE U6 NUMBERS ARE DOING BECAUSE IT WILL SHIRLEY BE A LIE.
 
2012-02-03 11:36:01 AM

Leo Bloom's Freakout: I like that idea, and I think it would have worked a year or two ago when the message from them was purely defiance and contradiction. Unfortunately, they have matured (odd word choice I suppose) the approach to one of condescension which is appearing to be a little more nimble. It contains all the opposition without as many defined stances which gives them wiggle room.

Take for example the recent prayer breakfast. Now, obviously, the GOP CANNOT in any way shape or form come out against Christianity or prayer... so they do the next best thing: question his motives, call it political, and take away from it being religious TO OBAMA, while still leaving themselves room to appear pious. Same thing with the Iraq/Afghanistan withdrawals, universally loved by Americans, most will no longer say the wars can't end, that's a losing angle. Instead attack Obama for how he does it.

It's a nuanced change but makes them a whole lot more slippery to tackle. Fortunately for Obama, they did enough damage to themselves in the polarized comments phase that led up to this that they still appear slimy, but it's not going to be as easy as it could have been initially if he had recognized and played the opposite game early.


To be fair, mine was more a joke, but Obama is very much taking a play out of Clinton's book. He is forcing the GOP to more frenzied response, by taking middle ground, and doing it with calm assurance, and forcing his rivals to look like dicks to oppose those positions. To be fair, Newt and his crowd pretty much can't help that, though.

The Senate is going to have an easier time weathering the storm, but the House is a whole different story. They have to campaign near constantly, so reactionism is what they specialize in.
 
2012-02-03 11:37:42 AM

DeltaPunch: hubiestubert: To be fair, I think that the best thing that Barak Obama should do, is just say how much he supports football, NASCAR, and apple pie, and watch the Idiot Brigade howl at these Un-American-Commie-Pinko-Fascist-Mulimy inventions of the Anti-Christ. He needs to have photo ops taken at church, he needs to attend football games, and maybe even a couple of wrestling events, to watch the Crazy Train scream at his terminity to support such things, and the waste of time and resources, and how we need to invest in education and learning and science.

He just needs to drop hints of his support of things, and watch the GOP leap from them with alacrity.

Then take them up on it...

This is why I'm not even angry that Obama is more to the center than most liberals want. He's driving away the entire GOP from anything remotely moderate, even remotely right-of-center.

In every election cycle the candidates go far to the base in the primaries before coming back to the center for the general. If Obama plays his cards cleverly right now, he can force the candidates (read: Romney) to adopt more and more positions that will be impossible to walk back from in the general election.


Romney has a long walk as it is. Context doesn't matter to the general public. If it did, attack ads wouldn't work.
 
2012-02-03 11:38:18 AM

winterwhile: If the economy is getting better...


I would say it's because you lack an understanding of what 'getting better' means.
 
2012-02-03 11:39:15 AM

NateGrey: Economy doing better? Alot of concerned and angry Republicans. (new window)


To: SF_Redux
MSM's are going down with this administration .. count on it
The challenge is convincing the sheeple of the truth. The truth can be a harsh medicine, unlike the sugary MSM tripe they prefer.

45 posted on Fri Feb 03 2012 09:24:00 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.Oh, let me gues)
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I bet their tears taste like bacon.
 
2012-02-03 11:39:48 AM

NateGrey: Economy doing better? Alot of concerned and angry Republicans. (new window)


They cheered their asses off when Chicago lost the chance to host the Olympics. They can't handle good news for the USA while Obama is in charge.

I want to think that most sane Republicans would be happy with the economy improving.
 
2012-02-03 11:42:17 AM

hubiestubert: To be fair, mine was more a joke, but Obama is very much taking a play out of Clinton's book. He is forcing the GOP to more frenzied response, by taking middle ground, and doing it with calm assurance, and forcing his rivals to look like dicks to oppose those positions. To be fair, Newt and his crowd pretty much can't help that, though.

The Senate is going to have an easier time weathering the storm, but the House is a whole different story. They have to campaign near constantly, so reactionism is what they specialize in.


Totally understand on the joke part, but have heard it in more serious context too, and I think the GOP tried to take it on as such with this new approach. However, what you've stated is also very true, and to me illustrates that Obama knows these games so much better than anyone gave him credit for. I wonder how much is serendipity and how much is that he saw this coming from miles away and has been laying the groundwork for the latest approach.

This is also I think why the flailing has become more frantic on the other side, they can feel that he is moves ahead but can't seem to figure out why. The hubris of never admitting to a fault means they can't seem to see that they have underestimated him.
 
2012-02-03 11:42:30 AM

sprawl15: NateGrey: Economy doing better? Alot of concerned and angry Republicans. (new window)

THE U3 NUMBERS ARE LOOKING GOOD BUT THERE ARE ALSO U6 NUMBERS LIBTARD

ALSO, DON'T TELL ME HOW THE U6 NUMBERS ARE DOING BECAUSE IT WILL SHIRLEY BE A LIE.


I know you're joking about what Freepers are saying, but in all seriousness, the U6 rate was 16.4% in September, and it is now 15.1%. That's a pretty significant decline considering it includes all people who have looked for a job even once in the last calendar year.
 
2012-02-03 11:44:26 AM

hugram: I want to think that most sane Republicans


Became independents over the last 10 years. The Republican Party of 2012 is not for sane people. It's for insane Bible-thumping racists and faux libertarians, and a few hold outs who have a vested interest in the Republican Party. The crazies purged all the "RINOs" in the Tea Party putsch.
 
2012-02-03 11:44:39 AM
If 'Should we have a policy agenda?' is seriously a question worth asking, just tear the whole party down and start from scratch.

The entire GOP is completely trigg.
 
2012-02-03 11:45:26 AM
Upon reading the article, it sounds like they're just going to sit on their hands and let Mitt be the face and voice of the entire GOP.

Yeah, good luck with that. Talk about putting all of your money at the track on a lame horse.

Meanwhile, as the "Massachusetts Moderate" drifts further and further to the left during the general election campaign, I'm sure the reaction of the base is going to be ....... hold up, I'm going to go buy a year's supply of popcorn.
 
2012-02-03 11:46:47 AM

InmanRoshi: Upon reading the article, it sounds like they're just going to sit on their hands and let Mitt be the face and voice of the entire GOP.

Yeah, good luck with that. Talk about putting all of your money at the track on a lame horse.

Meanwhile, as the "Massachusetts Moderate" drifts further and further to the left during the general election campaign, I'm sure the reaction of the base is going to be ....... hold up, I'm going to go buy a year's supply of popcorn.


Screw the popcorn, buy ConAgra stock. Someone's gotta grow it.
 
2012-02-03 11:47:44 AM

hugram: NateGrey: Economy doing better? Alot of concerned and angry Republicans. (new window)

They cheered their asses off when Chicago lost the chance to host the Olympics. They can't handle good news for the USA while Obama is in charge.

I want to think that most sane Republicans would be happy with the economy improving.


Can you believe 0bummer?!? Trying to improve the economy and lower unemployment just so he can get reelected. What a partisan asshole!
 
2012-02-03 11:48:37 AM

Calmamity: New Republican motto: "Obstructionism and Racism: It's All We Got!"


They own huge segments of the media and controlled many state legislatures the last Census year. They have a history of winning national elections without the popular vote.
 
2012-02-03 11:48:40 AM

indylaw: NateGrey: Economy doing better? Alot of concerned and angry Republicans. (new window)

To: SF_Redux
MSM's are going down with this administration .. count on it
The challenge is convincing the sheeple of the truth. The truth can be a harsh medicine, unlike the sugary MSM tripe they prefer.

45 posted on Fri Feb 03 2012 09:24:00 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.Oh, let me gues)
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I bet their tears taste like bacon.


That reminds me, I haven't been to Freep Impact's blog in awhile.
 
2012-02-03 11:49:10 AM

indylaw: hugram: I want to think that most sane Republicans

Became independents over the last 10 years. The Republican Party of 2012 is not for sane people. It's for insane Bible-thumping racists and faux libertarians, and a few hold outs who have a vested interest in the Republican Party. The crazies purged all the "RINOs" in the Tea Party putsch.


conhomeusa.typepad.com

I wouldn't be surprised if the proportions of moderates and liberals in the GOP continued plummeting in 2012.
 
2012-02-03 11:51:11 AM

indylaw: hugram: I want to think that most sane Republicans

Became independents over the last 10 years. The Republican Party of 2012 is not for sane people. It's for insane Bible-thumping racists and faux libertarians, and a few hold outs who have a vested interest in the Republican Party. The crazies purged all the "RINOs" in the Tea Party putsch.


Not entirely, but it's getting harder and harder to stay in.

I'll put my vote in for Roemer, and then I suspect that I'll be out. The party leadership isn't interested in ideas or platforms, they just want to service their clientele, and damn just about anything else.
 
2012-02-03 11:56:08 AM

indylaw: NateGrey: Economy doing better? Alot of concerned and angry Republicans. (new window)

To: SF_Redux
MSM's are going down with this administration .. count on it
The challenge is convincing the sheeple of the truth. The truth can be a harsh medicine, unlike the sugary MSM tripe they prefer.

45 posted on Fri Feb 03 2012 09:24:00 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.Oh, let me gues)
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I bet their tears taste like bacon.


Yeah, that one got me too. What exactly does "sugary tripe" taste like? Low-rent brown sugar ham or what?

/wake up sheeple
 
2012-02-03 11:58:16 AM

Serious Black: indylaw: hugram: I want to think that most sane Republicans

Became independents over the last 10 years. The Republican Party of 2012 is not for sane people. It's for insane Bible-thumping racists and faux libertarians, and a few hold outs who have a vested interest in the Republican Party. The crazies purged all the "RINOs" in the Tea Party putsch.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-02-03 12:02:50 PM

HotWingConspiracy: And he laid out what to attack: the economic stimulus, the health care law, the failed Solyndra project and the cash-for-clunkers auto program - on top of an economy the GOP will argue has become "worse" under the president.

People want additional stimulus, people like the health care law, nobody cares about Solyndra, nobody cares about cash for clunkers, and the economy is better in every meaningful measure from when he started.

Might as well just stick to attacking him on the imaginary shiat.


The fact that they still think cash for clunkers is some albatross around Obama's neck shows how deeply isolated in the echo chambers even the politicians of the right are.

They really don't need to bring up anything to do with the automotive industry .... ever.

"Just let GM die. Bailing them out of bankruptcy is going to do absolutely nothing they're doomed."

......

"Okay, so their stock got a slight up tick thanks to billions in a bailout. It won't last"

.....

"Okay, they're stock has skyrocketed. It's all speculation, it's not based on any fundamentals.

....

"Okay, they've retaken the #1 market share in America. But, just wait, you'll see. Taking that government money didn't change their bad practices, it only re-inforced them. When government gets involved with the market, ingenuity is always stiffled."

....

"What? GM was just declared the automotive industry's top innovator by an independent study for the fourth consecutive quarter? Yeah .... but still.
 
2012-02-03 12:09:03 PM
The only fair thing for Republicans to do is to cooperate with the Democrats to the same extent Democrats cooperated with GWB from 2001-2008. After all, it wasn't like the Dems at that time were trying to obstruct him ...
 
2012-02-03 12:11:48 PM
I suspect the GOP has already lost a lot of voters.

I know I'll never vote for another Republican politician again. They've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they don't give a flying fark about people like my family, so why should I give a fark about them?

I'm sure I'm not the only American who has come to that conclusion, either.
 
2012-02-03 12:13:29 PM

General_Kala: The only fair thing for Republicans to do is to cooperate with the Democrats to the same extent Democrats cooperated with GWB from 2001-2008. After all, it wasn't like the Dems at that time were trying to obstruct him ...


Compared to the current GOP, the Democrats under Bush were amazingly cooperative. A quick google search should provide you with ample evidence of that if you care to look.
 
2012-02-03 12:13:53 PM

keylock71: I know I'll never vote for another Republican politician again.


Yeah, like you've ever voted for one before.
 
2012-02-03 12:15:49 PM

keylock71: Compared to the current GOP, the Democrats under Bush were amazingly cooperative.


Amazingly cooperative? Have you just returned from an alternate dimension?
 
2012-02-03 12:17:32 PM

General_Kala: The only fair thing for Republicans to do is to cooperate with the Democrats to the same extent Democrats cooperated with GWB from 2001-2008. After all, it wasn't like the Dems at that time were trying to obstruct him ...


Yeah, I mean, Dubya hardly got any of his Pet Projects at all passed during that time. Aside from No Child Left Behind, Two Land Wars, Medicare Part D, The Patriot Act, 7 raises to the debt ceiling, etc.

No, actually, the only thing the Democrats ever tried to really obstruct were his massive tax cuts, because they knew they had to actually pay for all of these expensive pet projects. Then the GOP used reconciliation to bypass the Democrats so they could put all these big spending items on the credit card. You know, the "party of fiscal responsibility".
 
2012-02-03 12:18:36 PM

General_Kala: keylock71: I know I'll never vote for another Republican politician again.

Yeah, like you've ever voted for one before.


Many, in fact. Especially on the local level.

General_Kala: keylock71: Compared to the current GOP, the Democrats under Bush were amazingly cooperative.

Amazingly cooperative? Have you just returned from an alternate dimension?


Again, do your own homework. I have.
 
2012-02-03 12:22:17 PM
The bills are starting to pile up on the Senate floor. We were something like 800 bills passed in the house and 150 picked up by the Senate last session? You guys obviously confuse doing nothing with doing with the Democrats want.
 
2012-02-03 12:27:13 PM

EWreckedSean: You guys obviously confuse doing nothing with doing with the Democrats want.


They certainly do seem a bit confused and out-of-touch with reality.
 
2012-02-03 12:39:05 PM

keylock71: General_Kala: The only fair thing for Republicans to do is to cooperate with the Democrats to the same extent Democrats cooperated with GWB from 2001-2008. After all, it wasn't like the Dems at that time were trying to obstruct him ...

Compared to the current GOP, the Democrats under Bush were amazingly cooperative. A quick google search should provide you with ample evidence of that if you care to look.


They kinda had no choice. After 9/11 if you disagreed with anything Bush said or did, you were an un-American traitor.
 
2012-02-03 12:39:40 PM

keylock71: General_Kala: The only fair thing for Republicans to do is to cooperate with the Democrats to the same extent Democrats cooperated with GWB from 2001-2008. After all, it wasn't like the Dems at that time were trying to obstruct him ...

Compared to the current GOP, the Democrats under Bush were amazingly cooperative. A quick google search should provide you with ample evidence of that if you care to look.


Michael Tomasky reviewed the level of minority support for the majority's four biggest legislative accomplishments in the first terms for George W. Bush and Barack Obama. For Bush, he looked at the first Bush tax cut, No Child Left Behind, the vote to begin military operations in Iraq, and the Medicare Part D bill. For Obama, he looked at the stimulus, the health care reform bill, Dodd-Frank, and the DADT repeal.

The Democratic Party had an average of 41.1% of their Senators and Representatives voting for Bush's four bills. The Republican party had an average of 5.75% of their Senators and Representatives voting for Obama's four bills.

Cited article.
 
2012-02-03 12:40:08 PM

NateGrey: Economy doing better? Alot of concerned and angry Republicans. (new window)


That was pretty funny and yet exactly what I expected. The ones who can form complete sentences all seem to be saying that the lower jobless rate is due solely to people exiting the labor pool. Assuming their graphs aren't cooked, I'm sure some of this has to do with a down economy but wouldn't more of it have to do with 'boomers retiring?
 
2012-02-03 12:42:57 PM
 
2012-02-03 12:49:06 PM

Serious Black: Michael Tomasky reviewed the level of minority support for the majority's four biggest legislative accomplishments in the first terms for George W. Bush and Barack Obama. For Bush, he looked at the first Bush tax cut, No Child Left Behind, the vote to begin military operations in Iraq, and the Medicare Part D bill. For Obama, he looked at the stimulus, the health care reform bill, Dodd-Frank, and the DADT repeal.

The Democratic Party had an average of 41.1% of their Senators and Representatives voting for Bush's four bills. The Republican party had an average of 5.75% of their Senators and Representatives voting for Obama's four bills.

Cited article.



Did this also take into account the Republicans who tried to fillibuster the bills and then switched sides and voted for it when the fillibuster broke and it looked like it was passing anyway?

Serious Black: Michael Tomasky reviewed the level of minority support for the majority's four biggest legislative accomplishments in the first terms for George W. Bush and Barack Obama. For Bush, he looked at the first Bush tax cut, No Child Left Behind, the vote to begin military operations in Iraq, and the Medicare Part D bill. For Obama, he looked at the stimulus, the health care reform bill, Dodd-Frank, and the DADT repeal.

The Democratic Party had an average of 41.1% of their Senators and Representatives voting for Bush's four bills. The Republican party had an average of 5.75% of their Senators and Representatives voting for Obama's four bills.

Cited article.


That's a crude way to measure cooperation, considering the multiple instances of Republicans who voted for bills after previously attempting to fillibuster them, after the fillibuster had been broken and it became apparent the bill was passing anyway.
 
2012-02-03 12:51:22 PM

Jake Havechek: keylock71: General_Kala: The only fair thing for Republicans to do is to cooperate with the Democrats to the same extent Democrats cooperated with GWB from 2001-2008. After all, it wasn't like the Dems at that time were trying to obstruct him ...

Compared to the current GOP, the Democrats under Bush were amazingly cooperative. A quick google search should provide you with ample evidence of that if you care to look.

They kinda had no choice. After 9/11 if you disagreed with anything Bush said or did, you were an un-American traitor.


The facts still speak for themselves in regards to the level of obstructionism during the Bush Administration and the Obama Administration.
 
2012-02-03 12:57:25 PM

InmanRoshi: Serious Black: Michael Tomasky reviewed the level of minority support for the majority's four biggest legislative accomplishments in the first terms for George W. Bush and Barack Obama. For Bush, he looked at the first Bush tax cut, No Child Left Behind, the vote to begin military operations in Iraq, and the Medicare Part D bill. For Obama, he looked at the stimulus, the health care reform bill, Dodd-Frank, and the DADT repeal.

The Democratic Party had an average of 41.1% of their Senators and Representatives voting for Bush's four bills. The Republican party had an average of 5.75% of their Senators and Representatives voting for Obama's four bills.

Cited article.

That's a crude way to measure cooperation, considering the multiple instances of Republicans who voted for bills after previously attempting to fillibuster them, after the fillibuster had been broken and it became apparent the bill was passing anyway.


Sure, I'll freely admit that it's crude, but for these four bills, the only one that had people vote against cloture and for the bill was the DADT repeal, and that was a grand total of two Senators (Richard Burr and John Ensign). The other three bills required all the GOP support it got to break the filibuster, and nobody switched their vote to aye in those cases. Also, one of the GOP Senate votes for the stimulus was Arlen Specter, and he switched parties soon after the vote.
 
2012-02-03 01:10:17 PM
Nothing to offer? What, like the debt ceiling deal?

Republican: Here's a plan

Democrats: No!

Republican: Here's another plan

Democrats: No!

Republican: Here's yet another plan

Democrats: No!

Republican: I don't think we can work with you

Democrats: Why are you refusing to work with us!? You're holding America hostage!

In the meantime, where was Obama's plan? Anyone? Hello?

Remind me again who had "nothing to offer"?
 
2012-02-03 01:17:21 PM

EWreckedSean: The bills are starting to pile up on the Senate floor. We were something like 800 bills passed in the house and 150 picked up by the Senate last session?


Go look at the bills that passed the House and see if you can draw any conclusions.

hint: you're being manipulated
 
2012-02-03 01:20:13 PM

EWreckedSean: The bills are starting to pile up on the Senate floor. We were something like 800 bills passed in the house and 150 picked up by the Senate last session? You guys obviously confuse doing nothing with doing with the Democrats want.


And about 400 of them related to changing the definition of rape and preventing federal funding for abortions I bet.
 
2012-02-03 01:25:25 PM
Totally unfair, subby. I bet the Congress can overcome their differences and pass all sorts of non-binding resolutions.
 
2012-02-03 01:26:04 PM

randomjsa: Nothing to offer? What, like the debt ceiling deal?


You seem very upset libby.

Are you a Newt or Romney supporter?
 
2012-02-03 01:27:33 PM

keylock71: I suspect the GOP has already lost a lot of voters.


I'm as hopeful as anyone that Republican extremism is going to fade. Let's keep it real though - they still control the House and it's more likely than not that they'll keep it in 2012. They also have a better than even shot of winning the Senate. And Romney is close to Obama, if not ahead, in the national polls. There's still a LOT than can go wrong here.
 
2012-02-03 01:41:03 PM

winterwhile: SNIP


I haven't seen you for a while trolly. Nothing really juicy cropped up?

I'm still curious exactly who's alt you are, you gotta be someone's with how scarce you've been.
 
2012-02-03 01:51:43 PM

Edsel: keylock71: I suspect the GOP has already lost a lot of voters.

I'm as hopeful as anyone that Republican extremism is going to fade. Let's keep it real though - they still control the House and it's more likely than not that they'll keep it in 2012. They also have a better than even shot of winning the Senate. And Romney is close to Obama, if not ahead, in the national polls. There's still a LOT than can go wrong here.


Of course... I'm not saying this is the death of the GOP, but they are pushing away a lot of moderates and independents and that's where elections are won. Energizing the base is one thing, but Romney has a couple of problems to overcome, too. First, obviously, is the image of him as the super wealthy, out of touch stereotypical Republican. At the moment, he's not doing very well with that. Second, he's having to pander to the GOP base, which still isn't overly excited about him. The pandering he's doing now is going to be a liability in the general election with moderates and independents.
 
2012-02-03 02:00:29 PM

randomjsa: Nothing to offer? What, like the debt ceiling deal?


Yeah, what a completely rational deal that was.
 
2012-02-03 02:06:57 PM

keylock71: I suspect the GOP has already lost a lot of voters.

I know I'll never vote for another Republican politician again. They've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they don't give a flying fark about people like my family, so why should I give a fark about them?

I'm sure I'm not the only American who has come to that conclusion, either.


Same here. I have voted for R's in the past. I can't picture it ever happening again unless some serious changes occur within that party. I also speak for my sister, father, mother, uncle, cousin, and both remaining grandparents, many of which were solid R voters.
 
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