yata hey.
Not really. that means hello. Don't think I've spelled It correctly. Nor am I sure I have the right language.

Apos: Wind Talkers is the one Nic Cage flick I still haven't seen. Mostly because it stars Nic Cage.

So you've seen all other Nic Cage movies except one, and you haven't seen that one because Nik Cage is in it?

How do you say, "Thank you for your service, sergeant. May you rest in peace," in Navajo?

Well, since you asked, I did it this way:

Hozo-go nay-yeltay to / A-na-oh bi-keh de-dlihn / Ni-hi-keh di-dlini ta-etin / Yeh-wol-ye hi-he a-din -- Jimmie Begay, 86, RIP

But that was redlt :(

It's the first part of the last stanza of the marine hymn, Navajo Code Talk

May we live in peace hereafter
We have conquered all our foes,
No force in the world we cannot conquer,
We know of no fear

Thank you for service kemosaby, May you restum in piece like great spirit eagle flying in land of ancients.

Begay was one of about 420 Navajos. Heh.

Also, I've noticed a lot of Navajos have the last name, 'Begay'. I wonder if the old pioneers and/or U.S. officials were trolling them when giving them their Anglo-American names.

R.I.P, Kimosabe ? ? ?











/Next question, derpmitter.

jingks: Apos: Wind Talkers is the one Nic Cage flick I still haven't seen. Mostly because it stars Nic Cage.

So you've seen all other Nic Cage movies except one, and you haven't seen that one because Nik Cage is in it?

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

Godscrack: Since it's Arizona, and he's native American, probably "You're under arrest".

The Ghost of Tom Ace: Begay was one of about 420 Navajos. Heh.

Also, I've noticed a lot of Navajos have the last name, 'Begay'. I wonder if the old pioneers and/or U.S. officials were trolling them when giving them their Anglo-American names.

Nah, Begay is a common name, like Smith for the honkies.

I came in here to say something insensitive but I can see all the bases are pretty much covered.

jingks: Apos: Wind Talkers is the one Nic Cage flick I still haven't seen. Mostly because it stars Nic Cage.

So you've seen all other Nic Cage movies except one, and you haven't seen that one because Nik Cage is in it?

To fully appreciate the non-breadth of character Nicholas is able to adopt one has to view the vast majority of his body of work. However, nausea and a sense of self-preservation will eventually require all but those who have before stared into the maws of madness to turn away. Way I see it, Apos is one film away from becoming immortal.

Heyhowareya! Heyhowareya! Heyhowareya!

And how many Japs did Nic Cage kill in that movie anyway? About 1,000?


/thought I'd take the racial insensitivity to a new area

I don't want to Be gay.

Lone Stranger: And how many Japs did Nic Cage kill in that movie anyway? About 1,000?

Only 136 according to this site.

dunklemeister: I came in here to say something insensitive but I can see all the bases are pretty much covered.

What insensitivity?

Is your vagina upset over the comments?

Some dot/feather indian died.

So what?

Is that some morally higher death than all of the honkies that have died?

Huh?



Answer the question!!!

/Cheers!

Hmm. I actually used to know some Navajo speakers but we lost touch after the call centre shut. ( we did online and over the phone interpretation/ translations ).

That said, idk. But, I will fly old glory on Sunday at half mast.
Rest in Peace, Marine .

The Ghost of Tom Ace: Begay was one of about 420 Navajos. Heh.

Also, I've noticed a lot of Navajos have the last name, 'Begay'. I wonder if the old pioneers and/or U.S. officials were trolling them when giving them their Anglo-American names.

Begay comes from the Navajo word biye' which means 'his son'. When we had to adopt Christian given and surnames for governmental purposes the census workers made up/translated names for us. Biye' was a common "last" name for Navajo men (e.g. Hastii' Dził Łibei Biye' 'Sir Gray Mountain's Son', while his father would simply be Hastii' Dził Łibei). It's very common to see last names such as Tsosi (Ts'oozi 'thin'), Nez (-neez 'tall'), etc (descriptors of a person's physical characteristics) that became the last names we see today.

Aheehee ntsaa nihaansinbaa'. 'Thank you greatly for warring on our behalf'. And nasal and high tone markings are not showing up...

/
//Shi naaki łichi'i

nveg: The Ghost of Tom Ace: Begay was one of about 420 Navajos. Heh.

Also, I've noticed a lot of Navajos have the last name, 'Begay'. I wonder if the old pioneers and/or U.S. officials were trolling them when giving them their Anglo-American names.

Begay comes from the Navajo word biye' which means 'his son'. When we had to adopt Christian given and surnames for governmental purposes the census workers made up/translated names for us. Biye' was a common "last" name for Navajo men (e.g. Hastii' Dził Łibei Biye' 'Sir Gray Mountain's Son', while his father would simply be Hastii' Dził Łibei). It's very common to see last names such as Tsosi (Ts'oozi 'thin'), Nez (-neez 'tall'), etc (descriptors of a person's physical characteristics) that became the last names we see today.

Aheehee ntsaa nihaansinbaa'. 'Thank you greatly for warring on our behalf'. And nasal and high tone markings are not showing up...

/
//Shi naaki łichi'i

Ask and ye shall receive. Interesting info - thanks!

Bazinga In My Pants: dunklemeister: I came in here to say something insensitive but I can see all the bases are pretty much covered.

What insensitivity?

Is your vagina upset over the comments?



Give her one of these ...

Hanta Yo, Brother.

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i don't know Navajo.



/Thank you, sir.

heh heheh heheheh heheh heheh

they said 420.


and begay.

I'm pretty sure it's, "Woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo!"

nveg: The Ghost of Tom Ace: Begay was one of about 420 Navajos. Heh.

Also, I've noticed a lot of Navajos have the last name, 'Begay'. I wonder if the old pioneers and/or U.S. officials were trolling them when giving them their Anglo-American names.

Begay comes from the Navajo word biye' which means 'his son'. When we had to adopt Christian given and surnames for governmental purposes the census workers made up/translated names for us. Biye' was a common "last" name for Navajo men (e.g. Hastii' Dził Łibei Biye' 'Sir Gray Mountain's Son', while his father would simply be Hastii' Dził Łibei). It's very common to see last names such as Tsosi (Ts'oozi 'thin'), Nez (-neez 'tall'), etc (descriptors of a person's physical characteristics) that became the last names we see today.

Aheehee ntsaa nihaansinbaa'. 'Thank you greatly for warring on our behalf'. And nasal and high tone markings are not showing up...

/
//Shi naaki łichi'i

My dad was a captain in the 1st Marine Division. He died when I was in my early teens. He was still having nightmares in the 60s. We have no idea what those guys went through, island hopping across the Pacific.

RIP, sergeant, with a nation's thanks for your service.

We ought to be saying it in English, since this IS America, after all.

I remember the first time I learned about the code talkers. It was in a burger king which also housed a mueseum somewhere east of the grand canyon.

Proving that not all fast food is empty and worthless I suppose.

I think I was 13 at the time.

Semper Fi.

Bless you, dear one. (God will translate. Actually, everyone understands each other in Heaven.)

In before someone claims that the rather simple Navajo code was unbreakable. It wasn't. In fact, it would have taken a competent SIGINT team not very long to break it. It's just that the Japanese were singularly *AWFUL* at signals intelligence during WWII.

Note that we didn't use code talkers in the European theater. That's because even the Italians could have figured it out.

/We used a machine called the M-209 in Europe instead.

nveg: The Ghost of Tom Ace: Begay was one of about 420 Navajos. Heh.

Also, I've noticed a lot of Navajos have the last name, 'Begay'. I wonder if the old pioneers and/or U.S. officials were trolling them when giving them their Anglo-American names.

Begay comes from the Navajo word biye' which means 'his son'. When we had to adopt Christian given and surnames for governmental purposes the census workers made up/translated names for us. Biye' was a common "last" name for Navajo men (e.g. Hastii' Dził Łibei Biye' 'Sir Gray Mountain's Son', while his father would simply be Hastii' Dził Łibei). It's very common to see last names such as Tsosi (Ts'oozi 'thin'), Nez (-neez 'tall'), etc (descriptors of a person's physical characteristics) that became the last names we see today.

Aheehee ntsaa nihaansinbaa'. 'Thank you greatly for warring on our behalf'. And nasal and high tone markings are not showing up...

/
//Shi naaki łichi'i

Thanks!

/RIP Marine. You earned your rest.

PsiChi: Bless you, dear one. (God will translate. Actually, everyone understands each other in Heaven.)

Well, except for that *ONE* language:

There were more language and anthropology experts in Europe. That line of study was discouraged in pre-war Japan for political reasons, and their higher learning institutions were not quite as developed as the European ones in liberal arts studies. So, while it was possible for the European Axis powers to find someone who had studied Navajo, it wasn't for Japan.

tatonka

Uncle Swamp Yankee: There were more language and anthropology experts in Europe. That line of study was discouraged in pre-war Japan for political reasons, and their higher learning institutions were not quite as developed as the European ones in liberal arts studies. So, while it was possible for the European Axis powers to find someone who had studied Navajo, it wasn't for Japan.

But Japan had actually *CAPTURED* a native Navajo speaker, Joe Kieyoomia. They had him listen to recordings, which shows that they had enough brains to figure out that it was Navajo, but when he answered that it was all gibberish to him, instead of being patient and saying "OK, just write down what you recognize" and letting the actual cryptanalysts figure out what it meant, they tortured him instead.

Had the Kempei Tai actually been a bit more flexible and thoughtful, it could have at least partially broken it. Not that it would have done much good: It was a low-level tactical code over short-range radio. Any messages in it lost their importance within hours, or at most a few days.

Bazinga In My Pants: Some dot/feather indian died.

This is inaccurate.

jso2897: dittybopper: Uncle Swamp Yankee: There were more language and anthropology experts in Europe. That line of study was discouraged in pre-war Japan for political reasons, and their higher learning institutions were not quite as developed as the European ones in liberal arts studies. So, while it was possible for the European Axis powers to find someone who had studied Navajo, it wasn't for Japan.

But Japan had actually *CAPTURED* a native Navajo speaker, Joe Kieyoomia. They had him listen to recordings, which shows that they had enough brains to figure out that it was Navajo, but when he answered that it was all gibberish to him, instead of being patient and saying "OK, just write down what you recognize" and letting the actual cryptanalysts figure out what it meant, they tortured him instead.

Had the Kempei Tai actually been a bit more flexible and thoughtful, it could have at least partially broken it. Not that it would have done much good: It was a low-level tactical code over short-range radio. Any messages in it lost their importance within hours, or at most a few days.

Wait - I have been repeatedly assured by the experts here on Fark that torture is a highly effective way of extracting information from people. You aren't actually suggesting otherwise, are you?
And if you are, why do you hate America?

Well, I don't think I've ever argued that torture is an effective way to get information.

And I hate America so much that I spent 4 years in uniform as a 'ditty bopper'.

dittybopper: Uncle Swamp Yankee: There were more language and anthropology experts in Europe. That line of study was discouraged in pre-war Japan for political reasons, and their higher learning institutions were not quite as developed as the European ones in liberal arts studies. So, while it was possible for the European Axis powers to find someone who had studied Navajo, it wasn't for Japan.

But Japan had actually *CAPTURED* a native Navajo speaker, Joe Kieyoomia. They had him listen to recordings, which shows that they had enough brains to figure out that it was Navajo, but when he answered that it was all gibberish to him, instead of being patient and saying "OK, just write down what you recognize" and letting the actual cryptanalysts figure out what it meant, they tortured him instead.

Had the Kempei Tai actually been a bit more flexible and thoughtful, it could have at least partially broken it. Not that it would have done much good: It was a low-level tactical code over short-range radio. Any messages in it lost their importance within hours, or at most a few days.

If you're suggesting that the Navajo language could have been deciphered by the Japanese if they were influenced by western linguists and anthropologists, you're wrong. The western linguists and anthropologists at that time had not studied enough of our culture and language to understand it completely. There were only a few white people during that time that could understand and speak fluent Navajo. The only people who had a decent grasp were the Jesuits who came to the reservation and spoke very bad Navajo.

Thanks for the land, here's your shiatty reservation, smallpox, alcoholism, and oh - we'll be reneging on every BS treaty we ever forced you to sign. And we bought off your leaders. But boy that play you guys do in Cherokee NC sure does remind me of how SPEERitual and 'brave' ya'll are. So you won't mind if every dumbass redneck claims that they're "1/16th Injun", do you?? OK, glad we're cool! See ya!