Los Angeles?

Four grand average ticket cost for two teams I hate? No thanks

rumpelstiltskin: Well of course the Super Bowl didn't help Dallas. Everyone already knows Dallas. But Indianapolis is different. No one has ever been there, but once they go, they'll come back. Indianapolis will charm them, and become a vacation destination. "Shall we go to the shore this year, or Indianapolis?", you ask your family. And the kids will yell "Indianapolis!". All it needs is a chance, and this is its chance.

Ray, people will come Ray. They'll come to Indiana for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your driveway not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. "Of course, we won't mind if you look around," you'll say. "It's only $1,000 per person." They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and peace they lack. And they'll walk out to the bleachers; sit in shirtsleeves on a perfect domed evening. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the sidelines, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been the Super Bowl. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But the Super Bowl has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.

Oh... people will come Ray. People will most definitely come.

I certainly hope that the small markets have a fighting chance against Los Angeles.

I hope LA was added by the writes, not Goodell.

Meh. It's not like it's the Olympics where cities actually lose money because they have to invest millions in infrastructure that ends up going to waste.

Yeah, that photo is ...



... distracting.

The zip lines are the most popular thing going on. People are waiting all day just to get a ride and countless others are being turned away because they can only do around 1000 people per day.

And in other Super Bowl related news, the MURRAY STATE RACERS remain undefeated! You'd think Fark would give them a thread since Murray State is in Kentucky and is right in the middle of a DRY COUNTY! Please fellow Farkers...help Murray change their liquor laws. In the spirit of the Super Bowl!

9beers: The zip lines are the most popular thing going on. People are waiting all day just to get a ride and countless others are being turned away because they can only do around 1000 people per day.

Zip line tickets cost $10. They are being scalped for as high as $500. No shiat.

I worked for a few companies that provided services to hotels, and our revenue would dramatically increase in Super Bowl host cities every year.

Not every business will see it, and it's a short spike for those who do, but is a hot cash injection ever bad for local businesses and tax revenues?

Di Atribe: zeppo: 8 home games vs. 81 for baseball.

That's an interesting point. But I can hit up a baseball game for $15. Football game is more like $250. So I don't wanna do math, does that even things out?

I doubt baseball fans spend nearly as much as football fans. I could have made lots of pretty graphs showing increased spending from Chargers home games. Padres games we didn't even notice.

thisisyourbrainonFark: Yeah, that photo is ...

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... distracting.

How dare women objectify themselves for grins and giggles.

In 2006, Detroit put up fake facades on hundreds of abandoned buildings.

It really made it beautiful like Paris...

jaylectricity: GardenWeasel: Zip line tickets cost $10. They are being scalped for as high as $500. No shiat.

Based on logic within my head, I don't believe that.

me either, but....

mc_madness: In 2006, Detroit put up fake facades on hundreds of abandoned buildings.

It really made it beautiful like Paris...

It really was a sight to see.

GardenWeasel: Counterpoint to the article

Both make very convincing arguments.

That JW Marriott wouldn't have been built at the fast pace as it did without the Super Bowl coming there. But it would've been built eventually.

For the record, Indy is a *perfect* town to host something like the Superbowl. It's a 'city' built for the influx of out-of-towners. There's a huge load of hotels within a fifteen minute radius and next to no rush hour traffic.

I've gone there annually for a 4 day convention, and can usually find 12 hour parking -- connected to the convention center -- for under $20. I can't do that in my home city of *Chicago*.

Whatever. I live in Indy and just came back from the Super Bowl village. There were a lot of people working different booths and areas and many of the restaurants that normally close at 5pm were open past 11pm.

It was a lot of fun and while Mitch Daniels can suck my big one, I'm proud of our city.

mialynneb: Whatever. I live in Indy and just came back from the Super Bowl village. There were a lot of people working different booths and areas and many of the restaurants that normally close at 5pm were open past 11pm.

It was a lot of fun and while Mitch Daniels can suck my big one, I'm proud of our city.

*fistbump*

FTFA

This year's Indianapolis Super Bowl Host Committee, which has a budget of $25 million, predicts the game will inject anywhere from $150 million to $400 million into the local economy, according to Dianne Boyce, communications director for the host committee.

Not so fast there. Most of those hookers are from out of town, you know?

davidphogan: Di Atribe: zeppo: 8 home games vs. 81 for baseball.

That's an interesting point. But I can hit up a baseball game for $15. Football game is more like $250. So I don't wanna do math, does that even things out?

I doubt baseball fans spend nearly as much as football fans. I could have made lots of pretty graphs showing increased spending from Chargers home games. Padres games we didn't even notice.

That doesn't go against his arguement. The idea is that baseball would bring in less per event, but has 10 times the events. Instead of big spikes you essentially increase the base level. Not saying that you are wrong, just flawed logic.

I would note that ticket price shouldn't matter because that isn't going into the local economy, it is the other spending that would need to be considered.

Because football averages a little over twice the audience of baseball and plays one tenththe games, if a person spends 5 times as much going to an NFL game, then they will spend more. And I would guess that is true as most of the people that go to ball games regularly aren't going to spend much for each game simply because there are so many (there are 81 with at least two on consecutive nights).

dywed88: That doesn't go against his arguement. The idea is that baseball would bring in less per event, but has 10 times the events. Instead of big spikes you essentially increase the base level. Not saying that you are wrong, just flawed logic.

I would note that ticket price shouldn't matter because that isn't going into the local economy, it is the other spending that would need to be considered.

Because football averages a little over twice the audience of baseball and plays one tenththe games, if a person spends 5 times as much going to an NFL game, then they will spend more. And I would guess that is true as most of the people that go to ball games regularly aren't going to spend much for each game simply because there are so many (there are 81 with at least two on consecutive nights).

My point was that people with a lot of disposable income are the type who go to football games, and they're the ones who can afford to travel around the country and rent hotel rooms, pay room taxes, eat out, pay sales taxes, rent cars, pay car rental taxes, fly in and out, pay airport taxes, etc. Baseball is more geared to the spontaneous crowd with less resources.

I get that baseball generates revenue for certain parts of the economy, but trying to compare them is like comparing apples and tacos. One gets high rollers motivated to spend a few times a year, and the other gets the thrifty middle class crowd who want something to do for a few hours. The rates of spending are difficult to compare, but football fans seem more willing to spend money (probably in part due to the rarity of the games) than baseball, basketball or hockey fans.

Major events, either a sporting event or major trade show, can boost local economies, but I'd be shocked if an event like the Super Bowl can't generate a little more revenue than even seven games of a World Series or Stanley Cup Finals. The Super Bowl gets more TV viewers, more international coverage, and can charge the event rates for at least ten days for one game. That's a lot cheaper than running seven games with lower attendance rates and locations that are determined at the last second.

rumpelstiltskin: Well of course the Super Bowl didn't help Dallas. Everyone already knows Dallas. But Indianapolis is different. No one has ever been there, but once they go, they'll come back. Indianapolis will charm them, and become a vacation destination. "Shall we go to the shore this year, or Indianapolis?", you ask your family. And the kids will yell "Indianapolis!". All it needs is a chance, and this is its chance.

Indianapolis has about 48 hours to clean up the 700 miles of construction and detours, then.

Did you guys hear? Josh Hamilton drank alcohol!

There is no way football fans pay nearly enough to make up the difference in the number of games.

Here an average Phillies ticket is $20-$40.

An eagles ticket is usually around $70.. though it's been a while.

Parking is $15 vs $20/$25

Plus you have all of the concession money. I think more people eat during Phillies games. It's kinda half the fun of going. Plus there're way more kids, and kids eat.

Stupor Bowl tickets are available as I type this but they cost $2,000 bucks.
Derp.

/Hardly a spur of the moment purchase for most people.
//That price doesn't leave much for beer and wings or a burger.

For what it's worth, I remember when the SB came to Tampa in '09, with the recession in full swing (Tampa eventually went on to be in the top 5 in unemployment in '10). There were businesses near the stadium that had been vacant--were opened and began selling stuff. Everyone within two miles of the stadium was charging $20-50 for parking all weekend. The hotels were full for 30+ miles, the bars/restaurants were packed for weeks (Gasparilla was the weekend before, I think). People were renting their crappy condos/townhouses out for $2000+/wk--it didn't make any millionaires, or eliminate unemployment/poverty, but it did bring ALOT of money to the area for a month or so.

Traffic sucked, and you didn't want to go out to eat for a while, but other than that, why wouldn't you want the SB in your town?

Dennis Coates and his colleagues have been proving Super Bowls are not an economic boon to a host city economy for over a decade now. Host cities always lose money on this, and hosting a Super Bowl does very little for small businesses. Despite that, for every article referencing Coates' work, there are lots of articles about how positive hosting is.

How many cities have lovely NFL stadiums and roads a few blocks away that have tons of potholes?

BiggityBanninated: rumpelstiltskin: Well of course the Super Bowl didn't help Dallas. Everyone already knows Dallas. But Indianapolis is different. No one has ever been there, but once they go, they'll come back. Indianapolis will charm them, and become a vacation destination. "Shall we go to the shore this year, or Indianapolis?", you ask your family. And the kids will yell "Indianapolis!". All it needs is a chance, and this is its chance.

Indianapolis has about 48 hours to clean up the 700 miles of construction and detours, then.

You notice the constant road construction too? Over 20yrs driving thru there and 3mos at Ft Ben and I hate that place!
But still not as bad as St Lou.
Oh,there are other places I hate worse.

/nevermind

puffy999:
Ray, people will come Ray. They'll come to Indiana for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your driveway not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children Ray Lewis, longing for the past three years ago. "Of course, we won't mind if you look around," you'll say. "It's only $1,000 per person hour." They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and peace common sense they lack. And they'll walk out to the bleachers nosebleed section; sit in shirtsleeves three sweaters on a perfect crappy domed evening. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the sidelines corners, where they sat when they were children had money and no responsibilities and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game thru binoculars and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters booze. The memories people will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been the Super Bowl consumerism. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But the Super Bowl has marked the time been a great excuse to eat wings and drink beer. This field, this game: it's a part of our past culture, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good brutal and it could be again.

Oh... people will come Ray. People will most definitely come. maybe

If you're going there with the family, Indy has a world class Children's Museum.

Interesting note:
Capacity of Lukas Oil Stadium: 63,000 - 70,000
Est. Attendance @ 2011 Indy 500: 300,000+

rumpelstiltskin: Well of course the Super Bowl didn't help Dallas. Everyone already knows Dallas. But Indianapolis is different. No one has ever been there, but once they go, they'll come back. Indianapolis will charm them, and become a vacation destination. "Shall we go to the shore this year, or Indianapolis?", you ask your family. And the kids will yell "Indianapolis!". All it needs is a chance, and this is its chance.

Yeah, it's too bad they don't have some kind of yearly sporting event, like lets see...Maybe a big race or something. Maybe they could have it on Memorial Day...naw, that's just crazy talk.