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(Daily Kos)   A study in how to ruin a brand in 48 hours. HP, Netflix and now the Susan G. Komen Foundation   (dailykos.com) divider line 98
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2012-02-02 01:30:02 PM  
Well, I guess the Susan G. Komen foundation has officially gone tits up.
 
2012-02-02 01:33:29 PM  
If Susan Komen found out that people were making money off her name instead of actually using money to donate it to services for the detection and treatment of breast cancer, I'm sure she would be less than happy and more than angry..

/Remove their non-profit status. Now.
 
2012-02-02 01:34:14 PM  
A study in how to ruin a brand in 48 hours.

Associate it with republicans or religious nuts?

Make all the excuses you want, you bowed to pressure from extremist wingnuts with virtually no pushback against them. That's political and it shows you're more than happy to put politics before the well-being of your benefactors.

Nobody who actually wants to help anybody should be giving you a dime because you've proven your primary goal isn't helping people anyway.
 
2012-02-02 01:34:55 PM  

Splinshints: well-being of your benefactors


beneficiaries, dammit...
 
2012-02-02 01:37:10 PM  
from TFA: "SGK seem to have become a foundation of, by and for the 1%. The 99% aren't buying it any more."

LOL
 
2012-02-02 01:38:09 PM  

mycatisposter: from TFA: "SGK seem to have become a foundation of, by and for the 1%. The 99% aren't buying it any more."

LOL


sweet. always nice to see a classic alt-troll account brought back.
 
2012-02-02 01:38:44 PM  
It's understandable why the Susan G Komen foundation would want to pull funding from Planned Parenthood, since abortions are like 105% of what they do.

/not intended to be factual
 
2012-02-02 01:39:13 PM  

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: Well, I guess the Susan G. Komen foundation has officially gone tits up.


(favorite: Straddles thin line between love and hate.)

/[Modified Bob Hope theme song.]
 
2012-02-02 01:42:54 PM  

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: Well, I guess the Susan G. Komen foundation has officially gone tits up.


Link (NSFW)
 
2012-02-02 01:45:27 PM  

hp6sa: It's understandable why the Susan G Komen foundation would want to pull funding from Planned Parenthood, since abortions are like 105% of what they do.

/not intended to be factual


I've heard that for every mammogram Planned Parenthood performs they also perform 3 abortions. That is not an estimate either--they literally go out and perform 3 abortions as soon as they are done with a mammogram. If they can't find the necessary people to perform abortions on, they pass three Sharia laws in their local municipality per Obama's orders.
 
2012-02-02 01:47:42 PM  
This should not be in the Business section. This is purely political and they deserve all the scorn they get. What a horrible group of people they have running that place.
 
2012-02-02 01:48:27 PM  

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: hp6sa: It's understandable why the Susan G Komen foundation would want to pull funding from Planned Parenthood, since abortions are like 105% of what they do.

/not intended to be factual

I've heard that for every mammogram Planned Parenthood performs they also perform 3 abortions. That is not an estimate either--they literally go out and perform 3 abortions as soon as they are done with a mammogram. If they can't find the necessary people to perform abortions on, they pass three Sharia laws in their local municipality per Obama's orders.


One of the abortions is obviously on the woman that got the mammogram.

"While you're here, let's take care of that babby".
"Wait, I'm pregnant?"
"Not anymore!"
 
2012-02-02 01:52:49 PM  
I heard they perform an abortion DURING the mammogram, whether the chick is pregnant or not ...
 
2012-02-02 01:53:25 PM  

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: Well, I guess the Susan G. Komen foundation has officially gone tits up.


Thread over, nothing more to see here. Everyone go home.
 
2012-02-02 01:57:33 PM  
It seems a bit soon to call the brand "ruined," but I'm keenly interested in how this calculated move (gamble?) plays out. When making this decision, all the way back to hiring their seriously-pro-life Corporate Communications director, they clearly weighed the PR (fundraising) boost they'd get among social conservatives as greater than the PR hit they'd take for denying cancer screenings to low income patients at PP. This was not an innocent "just following the rules in our charter, sorry" move... I'm wondering if there was any collusion between the Georgia GOP-candidate Karen Handel and the republican congressman in Florida that's heading the PP inquiry.

My question: was their reputation among social conservatives (a normally quite philanthropic group) something that needed improving? Everyone knows someone that has either suffered, survived, or been killed by breast cancer, and they're usually moms and/or grandmoms. Seriously: that's a group that is tied with Apple Pie on the "good, old American" charts!
 
2012-02-02 02:00:36 PM  
Maybe I'm just thick, but I don't understand. Less than 10% of their budget went to screening. So let's say last year I gave $10 to SGK. This year I give $9 to SGK and $1 to PP.

There, everyone's got the same amount of money (a little more actually cause it takes some of the administration to transfer and manage funds out) and life goes on.
 
2012-02-02 02:01:22 PM  
Yeah, this thing doesn't just smell funny, it straight-up stinks: The Atlantic (new window) has more. The "rule" in question was adopted to justify a killing blow to the PP program.
 
2012-02-02 02:03:20 PM  
Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood donations spiked (new window)
 
2012-02-02 02:03:59 PM  

rohar: Maybe I'm just thick, but I don't understand. Less than 10% of their budget went to screening. So let's say last year I gave $10 to SGK. This year I give $9 to SGK and $1 to PP.


A very fair response, and realistically what anyone that cares about this issue should do... or switch support to another solid charity like BCRF. The question, though, is how much politics do you want in your breast cancer screening/treatment/research/prevention/awareness? Many would say "very little." SGK has basically said "we'll go with A LOT."
 
2012-02-02 02:04:53 PM  

Splinshints: A study in how to ruin a brand in 48 hours.

Associate it with republicans or religious nuts?

Make all the excuses you want, you bowed to pressure from are ran by extremist wingnuts with virtually no pushback against them. That's political and it shows you're more than happy to put politics before the well-being of your benefactors.

Nobody who actually wants to help anybody should be giving you a dime because you've proven your primary goal isn't helping people anyway.


Ends up that SGK is ran by a lot of right wingers and is working to disavow the link between BPA and cancer due to Merck being a big donor
 
2012-02-02 02:06:06 PM  

Splinshints: Make all the excuses you want, you bowed to pressure from extremist wingnuts with virtually no pushback against them. That's political and it shows you're more than happy to put politics before the well-being of your benefactors.

Nobody who actually wants to help anybody should be giving you a dime because you've proven your primary goal isn't helping people anyway.


There's no reason they should even try to make excuses. Shutting down Planned Parenthood is the stated goal of Republican and former Georgia SOS Karen Handel, who is a new senior vice president at Susan G. Komen.
 
2012-02-02 02:06:47 PM  
www.komenindy.org

2011: a woman is in the yogurt aisle. It's Yoplait or Danon. One has a promotional tie-in for Komen donations. She chooses Yoplait. Yoplait increases revenue, Komen gets a donation, woman feels good about herself.

2012: a woman is in the yogurt aisle. It's Yoplait or Danon. One has a promotional tie-in for Komen donations. 60is% of women (who are primarily liberal and more likely to support Planned Parenthood) remember this and buy the Danon. Yoplait misses revenue projections, Komen gets a smaller donation, woman feels good about herself.

2013: a woman is in the yogurt aisle. It's Yoplait or Danon. Neither has a promotional tie-in for Komen donations
 
2012-02-02 02:07:28 PM  
Susan Komen personally performed 5 abortions on me.

im a dude, so they hurt pretty bad
 
2012-02-02 02:10:10 PM  
I think Planned Parenthood can make up the difference by adding a few more floors to their new AbortionPlex

o.onionstatic.com
 
2012-02-02 02:11:42 PM  
www.rufkm.net
 
2012-02-02 02:14:04 PM  

factoryconnection: It seems a bit soon to call the brand "ruined," but I'm keenly interested in how this calculated move (gamble?) plays out. When making this decision, all the way back to hiring their seriously-pro-life Corporate Communications director, they clearly weighed the PR (fundraising) boost they'd get among social conservatives as greater than the PR hit they'd take for denying cancer screenings to low income patients at PP. This was not an innocent "just following the rules in our charter, sorry" move... I'm wondering if there was any collusion between the Georgia GOP-candidate Karen Handel and the republican congressman in Florida that's heading the PP inquiry.

My question: was their reputation among social conservatives (a normally quite philanthropic group) something that needed improving? Everyone knows someone that has either suffered, survived, or been killed by breast cancer, and they're usually moms and/or grandmoms. Seriously: that's a group that is tied with Apple Pie on the "good, old American" charts!


I don't think anyone really made any connection with them & PP until recently. A friend of mine has organized fundraisers for SGK in the past and they have such a stellar reputation, she believes nobody really ever bothered to delve into all of their beneficiaries. She thinks the SGK/PP connection wasn't brought to light until late Oct/early Nov when that one Fundie church recalled their pink bibles. That story went through the media grinder for a bit & stirred up more of the anti-PP propaganda the GOP's been spewing lately.

She also says that the director of public relations elected in April is a Bible-thumping Fundie pro-lifer who was looking for an excuse to pull funding from PP, anyway.
 
2012-02-02 02:14:23 PM  

factoryconnection: A very fair response, and realistically what anyone that cares about this issue should do... or switch support to another solid charity like BCRF. The question, though, is how much politics do you want in your breast cancer screening/treatment/research/prevention/awareness? Many would say "very little." SGK has basically said "we'll go with A LOT."


Their answer has always been pretty much "Whatever makes the most things pink and gains the most attention for Susan G. Komen RACE FOR THE CURE ©"

/wouldn't want SGK suing me for using the phrase "FOR THE CURE" without their authnorization
 
2012-02-02 02:15:23 PM  
Its such a shame that an organization which spends 10 dollars on marketing and administration for every dollar spent on the actual cause they advocate is no longer in business. Now people might have to give to real charities, like their local food bank.
 
2012-02-02 02:16:28 PM  

factoryconnection: rohar: Maybe I'm just thick, but I don't understand. Less than 10% of their budget went to screening. So let's say last year I gave $10 to SGK. This year I give $9 to SGK and $1 to PP.

A very fair response, and realistically what anyone that cares about this issue should do... or switch support to another solid charity like BCRF. The question, though, is how much politics do you want in your breast cancer screening/treatment/research/prevention/awareness? Many would say "very little." SGK has basically said "we'll go with A LOT."


But BCRF has never funded PP. If funding PP for a while, then not is evil, wouldn't never funding PP be eviler?
 
2012-02-02 02:18:53 PM  
"We're an organization that is dedicated to fighting breast cancer so we will cut off funding that goes to a group that does thousands of breast screenings a year."

Makes perfect sense. fark you, Komen.
 
2012-02-02 02:21:19 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Its such a shame that an organization which spends 10 dollars on marketing and administration for every dollar spent on the actual cause they advocate is no longer in business. Now people might have to give to real charities, like their local food bank.


Uh, $283M in services rendered, $36M in total fundraising costs. Seems a bit much, but you suck at maths.
 
2012-02-02 02:23:37 PM  

rohar: But BCRF has never funded PP. If funding PP for a while, then not is evil, wouldn't never funding PP be eviler?


Johnny burned down his apple orchard, and we said that was bad. But Jamie grows oranges, she's never grown apples at all. She must be the meanest person in all the world!
 
2012-02-02 02:23:55 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [www.komenindy.org image 300x300]

2011: a woman is in the yogurt aisle. It's Yoplait or Danon. One has a promotional tie-in for Komen donations. She chooses Yoplait. Yoplait increases revenue, Komen gets a donation, woman feels good about herself.

2012: a woman is in the yogurt aisle. It's Yoplait or Danon. One has a promotional tie-in for Komen donations. 60is% of women (who are primarily liberal and more likely to support Planned Parenthood) remember this and buy the Danon. Yoplait misses revenue projections, Komen gets a smaller donation, woman feels good about herself.

2013: a woman is in the yogurt aisle. It's Yoplait or Danon. Neither has a promotional tie-in for Komen donations


Not too far from the truth. As I said in my earlier post, a friend of mine used to organize fundraisers for them and called the American Diabetes Assoc. to say that her Oct 2012 just opened up & if they needed any help. I did a "Pooches in Pink" walk for them (dog-friendly walk-a-thon) in October & canceled my reservation for this year. I have carried a pink "Breast Cancer Awareness" ledger on appointments for 5 years and tossed it in the trash yesterday. I and many women I know are seriously pissed. SGK was a great organization for a great cause but PP offers much more services to more women who actually need it. Cutting their funding, even if it was only $680K/year, is a slap in the face to the women SGK says they're trying to help.

F*ck SGK now. PP's getting my time & donations from now on.
 
2012-02-02 02:23:59 PM  
They really got their tit in a wringer this time
 
2012-02-02 02:29:20 PM  

rohar: Lost Thought 00: Its such a shame that an organization which spends 10 dollars on marketing and administration for every dollar spent on the actual cause they advocate is no longer in business. Now people might have to give to real charities, like their local food bank.

Uh, $283M in services rendered, $36M in total fundraising costs. Seems a bit much, but you suck at maths.


I was exaggerating, obviously. Still, the point is that they hover right at the 80% efficiency limit for charities. And that's counting direct donations, not "Bought a pink pin from a 3rd party retailer" style donations, of which probably less than 50% makes it back to the charity, which itself takes a 20% cut off of that.
 
2012-02-02 02:30:18 PM  
Nobody's pointing out that removing an unwanted growth from a woman's breast isn't any different, morally, from removing an unwanted growth from her uterus?

CANCEROUS TUMORS HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE TOO
 
2012-02-02 02:31:46 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Nobody's pointing out that removing an unwanted growth from a woman's breast isn't any different, morally, from removing an unwanted growth from her uterus?

CANCEROUS TUMORS HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE TOO


Agreed. All human cells are imbued with a Soul at the moment of Mitosis.
 
2012-02-02 02:33:33 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: "We're an organization that is dedicated to fighting breast cancer so we will cut off funding that goes to a group that does thousands of breast screenings a year."

Makes perfect sense. fark you, Komen.


i111.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-02 02:41:45 PM  

brigid_fitch: I and many women I know are seriously pissed. SGK was a great organization for a great cause but PP offers much more services to more women who actually need it. Cutting their funding, even if it was only $680K/year, is a slap in the face to the women SGK says they're trying to help.


Yep. My wife was on the phone with several of her friends last night and it's the only talk in the lunch room for two days straight now. Komen farked up.
 
2012-02-02 02:42:29 PM  
Salon: "Im pro-life and I support Planned Parenthood" (new window)


I want the abortion rate in this country - and every country - to plummet. That's a given.

But it's not going to happen by overturning Roe vs. Wade, or cutting funding for healthcare to low-income women and families. It's going to happen by expanding healthcare access, contraceptive use and sex education.

This is speaking from overwhelming international and historical evidence.

Russia has (and has had) one of the highest abortion rates in the world. But a RAND Corporation study that tracked the heavy drop in the late 1980s and 1990s in Russia observed that it was expansion of contraceptive access that curbed the practice.

Or take Uganda, where abortion is illegal and sex education focuses exclusively on abstinence: the abortion rate there is more than double what it is in the United States.

Researchers at the University of California saw a 46 percent decline in the odds of an abortion when low-income women had access to public healthcare (or any healthcare) that provided contraception in year-long supplies.

Where is the lowest abortion rate? The Netherlands - where abortion (and prostitution) are completely legal. What do they have that we don't? Accordingly to U.S. News & World Report and the Guttmacher Institute, their low abortion rate is credited to very comprehensive sex education and easy access to contraceptives.
 
2012-02-02 02:51:11 PM  
I donate to SGK because of the research and work they fund, not who they fund to do the work. As long as the money is spent how they promise me it is spent, I do not care who does the work. Neither should you if you really care about the cause.
 
2012-02-02 02:59:39 PM  

Inyego: I donate to SGK because of the research and work they fund, not who they fund to do the work. As long as the money is spent how they promise me it is spent, I do not care who does the work. Neither should you if you really care about the cause.


Then cut out the middleman, and donate directly to organizations that actually do the research or screening (like...Planned Parenthood). Don't donate to an organization that's going to take a not insignificant cut off the top, and whose grantmaking decisions are based on political and religious ideology, not on what's best for women and cancer survivors.
 
2012-02-02 03:01:11 PM  

rohar: But BCRF has never funded PP. If funding PP for a while, then not is evil, wouldn't never funding PP be eviler?


I think the give-then-take is probably going to impact an organization more, since they plan for programs to use those grants. I didn't say "don't give to PP;" I told you giving directly is a reasonable idea.

In fact: if you're mad, give to the people you think were slighted.
 
2012-02-02 03:02:56 PM  

Inyego: I donate to SGK because of the research and work they fund, not who they fund to do the work. As long as the money is spent how they promise me it is spent, I do not care who does the work. Neither should you if you really care about the cause.


Considering PP is the largest provider for breast cancer screening for underprivledged women, you should care.
 
2012-02-02 03:03:05 PM  
I can not wait to be 'accosted' by any type of Komen rep/volunteer/product or whatever, because it will be an accosting, because they are a member of a motivated political group. It is no longer group who I could see being altruistic and fighting a noble cause, they are a politicized group and the stink is so loud now, anyone who chooses to be attached to Komen knows their politics and accepts them.

See, because I'm done trying in any way shape or form being polite to god-botherers strictly because they're god botherers. In fact they get more vehemence now. They asked their messiah 'What's the most important law?" and he said love god with all your heart, mind, body (eradicated the first four commandments). Then he added without being asked "The second greatest law is to love your neighbor as you do yourself" (eradicating the last six commandments). Jesus also spoke on turn the other cheek, love your enemies, dont judge, who ever is without sin don't throw the first stone. And I don't see any Christians embracing or espousing these commandments from the most important person in their religion. They love the dogsbody rules that the holy beauracrat Paul loaded them up with, but the simple, loving message of their messiah is lost on them. So fark them. I wont feing niceties to be polite to a religion it's adherents could give fark all about. Come at me with some SGK requests for money, time or concern and you will get told in no uncertain terms "fark you, you bitter, hateful, hypcritical piece of shiat. As your master spoke on sepulchres, so you have become, pretty on the outside and full of dead men's bones" Or something like that. Farkers!

Atheist and disliking of fundies as I may be, in the words or their messiah is some good ideals. Just as Buddha, Lao Tzu, and Mohammed had. No god in my mind, but not bad ideas to live by.
 
2012-02-02 03:03:39 PM  
Or, a study in how to copy a story from Reddit, headline and all.
 
2012-02-02 03:04:03 PM  
Inyego
I donate to SGK because of the research and work they fund, not who they fund to do the work. As long as the money is spent how they promise me it is spent, I do not care who does the work. Neither should you if you really care about the cause.


Then you definitely don't want to see this film.
 
2012-02-02 03:09:04 PM  

TravisBickle62: I heard they perform an abortion DURING the mammogram, whether the chick is pregnant or not ...


A little D & C never hurt anyone--well, unless she's pregnant. They call it the "easy out mammogram." If you're serious about having a baby, go get knocked up again. Saves money on tampons, too, and gives us that fresh, clean feeling.

And don't call us 'chicks,'
 
2012-02-02 03:11:51 PM  

Inyego: I donate to SGK because of the research and work they fund, not who they fund to do the work. As long as the money is spent how they promise me it is spent, I do not care who does the work. Neither should you if you really care about the cause.


^This FTW
 
2012-02-02 03:15:06 PM  

Inyego: I donate to SGK because of the research and work they fund, not who they fund to do the work. As long as the money is spent how they promise me it is spent, I do not care who does the work. Neither should you if you really care about the cause.


SGK isn't the only game in town. And this "If you don't support SGK you support cancer" line isn't going to win them any friends.
 
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