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Gingrich/Cain 2012 - "Let's lay some pipe!"

Nothing says GO USA! quite like a pipeline built by the Chinese and Indians to pump Canadian oil to a Saudi refinery for export to Southeast Asia.

This is the central part of their 2012 economic platform that they're selling to voters? Sounds like a newer spin on the "Drill Baby Drill" chant that went over like a fart in church in 2008. Further, the pipleline wouldn't go through a single "purple state", so the prospect people getting ditch digging jobs in Kansas, Nebraska and Oklahoma is rather irrelevant to them.

As if we need any more reason why the GOP is out of touch with America and its romantic notion that gasoline should be dirt cheap and that driving is a right, not a privilege..

keylock71: If it's such a great thing for the country, why do they constantly inflate the number of actual jobs it will create?

If it's such a great thing for the country, why did they try to force Obama's hand before all the studies had been conducted?


These bastards are shameless liars. This has nothing to do with helping the American people.

To counter that, the gop will now wear twice as many flag pins, and their base will see that THEY love America, unlike Fartangobama.

The real sad thing is how the gop constantly gets away with it.

the kystone XL pipeline is bad for America environmentally, financially and in terms of our national security.

By now TransCanada and the Nebraska legislators must be just itching to tell the GOP in Washington to STFU.

It is also fairly easy to explain to voters, and it hits on the key concerns of many Americans: jobs, energy independence and fear of economic competition with China, which Republicans have said will be the recipient of the Canadian oil without the Keystone plan.

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the public.

"We are on the other side of the Ping-Pong table here," said J. M. Bernhard Jr., president of the Shaw Group, a supplier of fabricated piping systems that had begun to do work for the project.

"It's hard to understand why we would allow pipelines through the marshes of Louisiana, which I dearly love, and not have other states participating in something for the betterment of the entire United States," said Mr. Bernhard, a supporter of Mr. Obama who donated to his 2008 campaign.

It's not hard at all. The Ogalla Aquifer supports agriculture significantly more than the marshes of Louisiana do. Oh wait, you know that. You're just being intentionally obtuse.

Sen. Lindsey Graham wants to lay some pipe on your teenaged son.

tlchwi02: the kystone XL pipeline is bad for America environmentally

LOL, that's pretty much a selling point to the GOP base. A) they can stick it to "the man" and tell those libs to fark off. B) They're all getting raptured soon anyways, so who cares what gets left behind for the heathens?

financially

Not their strong suit, it involves dealing with numbers, facts, and this is the "Obama economy" as I heard it put a GOP senate candidate this morning. It's not the American economy, just Obama's and that guy's a prick, so again, fark that.

and in terms of our national security.

I'm sorry, you must be confused, this is carrying oil, not a steady stream of terrorists. Terrorists are the only threat to America's security, why do you think the TSA scans for weapons and not oil? Get a brain, moran!

We should just call them the "Old Party."

Nothing "Grand" about it.

It's good to see that Clair McAsshole is for the pipeline that will raise the gas prices for everyone in her state. Thanks Clair.

Leo Bloom's Freakout: I'm sorry, you must be confused, this is carrying oil, not a steady stream of terrorists. Terrorists are the only threat to America's security, why do you think the TSA scans for weapons and not oil? Get a brain, moran!

curses! that irrefutable point by point takedown has crushed any chance of a counter-argument! i now will vote for Newt Gingrich/Sara Palin 2012

It makes the rich richer and does virtually nothing positive for anyone else.

Of course the GOP and their supporters are for this.

Brewhaus: It's good to see that Clair McAsshole is for the pipeline that will raise the gas prices for everyone in her state. Thanks Clair.

She is? Godammit. What's really upsetting is that she's the LIBERAL choice we have for Senate in this state.

tlchwi02: Leo Bloom's Freakout: I'm sorry, you must be confused, this is carrying oil, not a steady stream of terrorists. Terrorists are the only threat to America's security, why do you think the TSA scans for weapons and not oil? Get a brain, moran!

curses! that irrefutable point by point takedown has crushed any chance of a counter-argument! i now will vote for Newt Gingrich/Sara Palin 2012

Welcome aboard, please pick up your misspelled sign at the door, and your "Keep the change" bumper sticker on the table next to it.

I just want to make sure now...if the pipeline gets approved, when gas prices continue to go up and the pipeline doesn't create tens of thousands of permanent jobs, all the Republicans who lied about it will have to resign in shame, right?

/trying not to giggle as I write this

I'm pretty sure laying pipe isn't on Rick Santorum's agenda. He seems to be against the idea of laying pipe altogether.

Laying pipe to the American People is all they are really wanting to do.

Thousands of jobs?

Try tens.

Awesome exchange between Waxman and Whitfield over the Kock Brothers testifying about the Keystone Pipeline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-wFXLMvzHw

Emposter: I just want to make sure now...if the pipeline gets approved, when gas prices continue to go up and the pipeline doesn't create tens of thousands of permanent jobs, all the Republicans who lied about it will have to resign in shame, right?

/trying not to giggle as I write this

It will of course be Obama's fault for screwing it up.

So the question is why do american refineries keep shutting their doors?

and why isnt anyone saying this is the reason gas is soaring.

huge supply of oil not enough refinieries to make it gasoline.

graggor: So the question is why do american refineries keep shutting their doors?

and why isnt anyone saying this is the reason gas is soaring.

huge supply of oil not enough refinieries to make it gasoline.

Fact: The number of refineries in the US has been decreasing.
Fact: Refinery capacity has been increasing:



How to reconcile the two: Refineries are in a continual state of expansion because it is more efficient to run a large refinery than multiple small ones due to economies of scale. BP's Whiting facility and Marathon's Detroit have recently undergone expansions to nearly double their capacity. Shell's Port Arthur facility is expanding to become the largest in the world.

But to delve deeper, the refinery utilization is actually dropping which means refineries are not even running at full capacity.



So now you understand that "number of refineries" is not a real problem and when someone says "Goddamn environmentalists are closing all the refineries" you will correct them because you have a deeper understanding of the issues.

graggor: So the question is why do american refineries keep shutting their doors?

and why isnt anyone saying this is the reason gas is soaring.

huge supply of oil not enough refinieries to make it gasoline.

Building refineries would cut into shareholder profits, duh.

It's not really "central" to anything, other than it's important to them to force Obama and Democrats to go on record against it, so that the Republicans can then point to them as being against job creation and the economy. It's positioning the enemy moreso than being of any central importance to the Republicans themselves.

keylock71: If it's such a great thing for the country, why do they constantly inflate the number of actual jobs it will create?

If it's such a great thing for the country, why did they try to force Obama's hand before all the studies had been conducted?


These bastards are shameless liars. This has nothing to do with helping the American people.

It would cut their bottom line and increase profits. The American people will never see any benifit, however.

Rapmaster2000: graggor: So the question is why do american refineries keep shutting their doors?

and why isnt anyone saying this is the reason gas is soaring.

huge supply of oil not enough refinieries to make it gasoline.

Fact: The number of refineries in the US has been decreasing.
Fact: Refinery capacity has been increasing:

[www.eia.gov image 640x260]

How to reconcile the two: Refineries are in a continual state of expansion because it is more efficient to run a large refinery than multiple small ones due to economies of scale. BP's Whiting facility and Marathon's Detroit have recently undergone expansions to nearly double their capacity. Shell's Port Arthur facility is expanding to become the largest in the world.

But to delve deeper, the refinery utilization is actually dropping which means refineries are not even running at full capacity.

[www.eia.gov image 640x260]

So now you understand that "number of refineries" is not a real problem and when someone says "Goddamn environmentalists are closing all the refineries" you will correct them because you have a deeper understanding of the issues.

Notice the dip in 2006 & 2008?

So why are thye not operating at a higher capacity if demand is there...its like they are operating at a lower capacity to drive up the......

my god.

We need to pay more for oil so the mid-west can get cheap gas and no oil pipeline should ever be built anywhere ever again because it might leak one day.

We have an overabudance of oil. the refinieries are not operating at full capcity.

it is as if the refiners would like their product ot be in greater demand and less supply...it is as if they were to do less with less and make more...(their profit margins tend to be slim so this may bump them a bit)

who knows the reason.

beta_plus: We need to pay more for oil so the mid-west can get cheap gas.

That makes no sense. How would we pay for more oil if the Midwest already gets the oil?

Wait, you thought this oil would stay in the US? That's adorable. Canada has made it pretty clear they're bored of sending the oil down here and have much more lofty ambitions than sending their oil down here. Stephen Harper said so himself:

The Conservative government will make it a "national priority" to ensure the country has the "capacity to export our energy products beyond the United States, and specifically to Asia."

"In this regard, we will soon take action to ensure that major energy and mining projects are not subject to unnecessary regulatory delays - that is, delay merely for the sake of delay."


Luckily the oil companies have useful idiots like you who believe that the oil would actually stay here

RedVentrue:

Notice the dip in 2006 & 2008?

I think its 2005 and 2008...Katrina and Gustav/Ike hit the gulf...lots of US refining is in the gulf

Ghastly: To satisfy my woman.

First thing that came to mind when I saw the headline. And here I thought he was too obscure to be picked up by anyone on Fark.


/do the bearcat!