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JerseyTim
2012-02-02 08:55:10 AM
He can't believe it? Everyone knew going that the lockout and schedule would have this effect.
/in before turrible
nyrkah1
2012-02-02 09:05:35 AM
So what he's saying is, the NBA is just turri................dammit!
Cndn Bacon
2012-02-02 09:38:42 AM
JerseyTim
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He can't believe it? Everyone knew going that the lockout and schedule would have this effect.
/in before turrible
That's a turrible excuse:
FTFA:
"They have all these built in excuses about it's the lockout. Let me tell you something: If these teams played once a week, they would still suck. You watch one of these teams, and if they rested for a week they would still suck."
arcas
2012-02-02 09:40:15 AM
The NBA would be a lot better if they'd adopt a rule against signing kids younger than, say, 20. Some 17-18 year olds might have the bodies and skills to compete in the NBA but most probably lack the mental component. Take Demarcus Cousins. Another year or two in college would have done him a lot of good, head-wise.
The NFL became a much better league when the adopted similar rules.
HaywoodJablonski
2012-02-02 09:40:20 AM
Racist!
Rapmaster2000
2012-02-02 09:44:59 AM
"There are probably 10 teams worth watching on a nightly basis," Barkley said. "
Hasn't this always been true in the NBA.\? Even in the late 80s to early 90s - a great era for the NBA - did anyone tune in to see the Mavs, Clips, Warriors, Bucks, Bullets, Kings, or probably a few I'm forgetting. I just seem to remember that there have always been 10 decent teams with interesting players and play styles and a bunch of weak teams with young, developing players and a few perenially lost teams. Like now.
TheShavingofOccam123
2012-02-02 09:45:02 AM
And yet the league will make oodles of cash this year. It's not about quality of product. It's about a lack of competition against the product.
Bring EPL soccer to broadcast TV and watch tens of viewers abandon NBA basketball floppers for EPL soccer floppers.
litespeed74
2012-02-02 09:45:23 AM
I think this would help-
Less timeouts
Add international play
Shorter shot clock
frtmn7
2012-02-02 09:46:15 AM
Disagree. I think this is one of the better years in the NBA. Mainly because it is kinda crazy. Denver is good, the Knicks are terrible and who would want to play the Sixers in the playoffs? Celtics and the Lakers are too old and look to be over. I guess if the Lakers, Celtics, and Knicks are all down the casual fair-weather fan turns it off but I think it is great.
regindyn
2012-02-02 09:52:59 AM
Every league's bad teams are painful to watch. I don't see why the NBA would be an exception.
But the good teams have been a joy to watch. The lockout has had an impact, but I still say the season as a whole has been great so far.
lajotu
2012-02-02 10:07:16 AM
Barkley's right about the "non-superstar" teams being pathetic.
He's wrong about it being specific to 2011-2012.
JerseyTim
2012-02-02 10:11:52 AM
Cndn Bacon
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That's a turrible excuse:
FTFA: "They have all these built in excuses about it's the lockout. Let me tell you something: If these teams played once a week, they would still suck. You watch one of these teams, and if they rested for a week they would still suck."
No, it's a good excuse. Charles may be a lot of things, but a good basketball analyst isn't one of them.
MugzyBrown
2012-02-02 10:13:26 AM
Rapmaster2000
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"There are probably 10 teams worth watching on a nightly basis," Barkley said. "
Hasn't this always been true in the NBA.\? Even in the late 80s to early 90s - a great era for the NBA - did anyone tune in to see the Mavs, Clips, Warriors, Bucks, Bullets, Kings, or probably a few I'm forgetting. I just seem to remember that there have always been 10 decent teams with interesting players and play styles and a bunch of weak teams with young, developing players and a few perenially lost teams. Like now.
I don't think that's the issue. The real issue is the 'great' teams aren't really that great to watch.
error 303
2012-02-02 10:18:32 AM
Isn't that true for basically any league? I mean, the top third is good, the next third is passable, the third third is bad, right? Unless he's saying that there's only 10 good teams and 20 turrible ones, but even still, that doesn't seem too far out of line with any other sports league...
jayhawk88
2012-02-02 10:31:39 AM
JerseyTim
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Cndn Bacon: That's a turrible excuse:
FTFA: "They have all these built in excuses about it's the lockout. Let me tell you something: If these teams played once a week, they would still suck. You watch one of these teams, and if they rested for a week they would still suck."
No, it's a good excuse. Charles may be a lot of things, but a good basketball analyst isn't one of them.
Someone ought to go plum Basketball Reference and see what Chuck's PPG and RPG were on the back half of road back-to-back's during his career.
dettigersnw22
2012-02-02 10:32:47 AM
I can't watch the NBA anymore for a few reasons. Most of the star players are unlikable or lack their own real identity. Players move around from team to team regularly, so a lot of the franchises themselves lack an identity. The product isn't good enough for me care like I did back in the 90s.
busy chillin'
2012-02-02 10:43:04 AM
Turrib..dangit!
Cymbal
2012-02-02 10:44:25 AM
dettigersnw22
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I can't watch the NBA anymore for a few reasons. Most of the star players are unlikable or lack their own real identity. Players move around from team to team regularly, so a lot of the franchises themselves lack an identity. The product isn't good enough for me care like I did back in the 90s.
Dat's jus straight ignant dawg...
Instead of just a few championship caliber teams like the 90's had, we now have several. Parity works for the NFL, and now it is working for the NBA.
Rapmaster2000
2012-02-02 10:45:29 AM
MugzyBrown
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Rapmaster2000: "There are probably 10 teams worth watching on a nightly basis," Barkley said. "
Hasn't this always been true in the NBA.\? Even in the late 80s to early 90s - a great era for the NBA - did anyone tune in to see the Mavs, Clips, Warriors, Bucks, Bullets, Kings, or probably a few I'm forgetting. I just seem to remember that there have always been 10 decent teams with interesting players and play styles and a bunch of weak teams with young, developing players and a few perenially lost teams. Like now.
I don't think that's the issue. The real issue is the 'great' teams aren't really that great to watch.
I've been enjoying the Bulls this year, but granted that's my team so my results may be skewed. I've been watching OKC and Clippers too. That's been some fun ball.
If you're a Lakers or Magic fan then I feel your pain.
bhcompy
2012-02-02 10:47:45 AM
Rapmaster2000
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"There are probably 10 teams worth watching on a nightly basis," Barkley said. "
Hasn't this always been true in the NBA.\? Even in the late 80s to early 90s - a great era for the NBA - did anyone tune in to see the Mavs, Clips, Warriors, Bucks, Bullets, Kings, or probably a few I'm forgetting. I just seem to remember that there have always been 10 decent teams with interesting players and play styles and a bunch of weak teams with young, developing players and a few perenially lost teams. Like now.
Well, the Clippers made it to the playoffs a few times in the early 90s under Larry Brown. Good players like Ron Harper, Danny Manning, etc
INeedAName
2012-02-02 10:49:47 AM
Cymbal
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dettigersnw22: I can't watch the NBA anymore for a few reasons. Most of the star players are unlikable or lack their own real identity. Players move around from team to team regularly, so a lot of the franchises themselves lack an identity. The product isn't good enough for me care like I did back in the 90s.
Dat's jus straight ignant dawg...
Instead of just a few championship caliber teams like the 90's had, we now have several. Parity works for the NFL, and now it is working for the NBA.
Except that parity in football involves 53 guys. There's what 12-15 players on a basketball team, so the trading of even just 1 guy completely changes the face of the team.
Also, basketball is dumb.
p the boiler
2012-02-02 10:54:03 AM
dettigersnw22
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I can't watch the NBA anymore for a few reasons. Most of the star players are unlikable or lack their own real identity. Players move around from team to team regularly, so a lot of the franchises themselves lack an identity. The product isn't good enough for me care like I did back in the 90s.
Rose in Chicago has his own identity and is likable (especially because he does not care if he is likable) and I never see him leaving Chicago. They also have Noah who plays the villain role well, like a modern day Rodman without the total sideshow - when Deng is healthy he really fits into a poor man's Pippen (but is not Pippen so don't confuse that) - this team is fun to watch. I would love if they would try to get Moore from the Celtics - throw in Johnson (Give up Korver and someone) - if that happened I would never miss a Bulls game
monoski
2012-02-02 11:00:18 AM
He just figured this out now?
NBA has sucked for years
Cymbal
2012-02-02 11:01:54 AM
INeedAName
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Also, basketball is dumb.
Oh look, it's that guy.
Basketball is dumb? What are you, fourteen? Is it gay too?
Le Bomb Suprize
2012-02-02 11:02:37 AM
The incredible numbers of time outs and stoppages of play are what make the NBA practically unwatchable for me. Trying to watch the end of a game is painful as coaches script so many of the possessions.
Two time outs per half per team. After 7 team fouls in a quarter a team is awarded 1 point and retains possession, but shot clock is reduced to 12 seconds. Move the game along folks.
mainstreet62
2012-02-02 11:12:02 AM
Barkley also blasted ESPN's Skip Bayless for criticizing Rose after he missed a couple of fourth-quarter free throws in Sunday's 97-93 loss to the Heat.
"Anybody who goes after Derrick Rose is just an idiot," Barkley said. "First of all, I think
Skip Bayless is the biggest punk in the world
. How can you go after Derrick Rose?
Charles and I finally agree on something.
John Nash
2012-02-02 11:12:25 AM
I dunno, it was pretty fun to watch the Bucks beat the Heat last night.
bigmattress
2012-02-02 11:14:49 AM
John Nash
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I dunno, it was pretty fun to watch the Bucks beat the Heat last night.
No diggity, no doubt. Especially watching Luc lock down on Lebron after the first (admittedly monstrous) quarter.
Arkanaut
2012-02-02 11:23:02 AM
frtmn7
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I guess if the Lakers, Celtics, and Knicks are all down the casual fair-weather fan turns it off but I think it is great.
The Knicks are unwatchable, but I try to catch a Clippers or Thunder game when I get a chance.
regindyn
2012-02-02 11:38:24 AM
Arkanaut
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frtmn7: I guess if the Lakers, Celtics, and Knicks are all down the casual fair-weather fan turns it off but I think it is great.
The Knicks are unwatchable, but I try to catch a Clippers or Thunder game when I get a chance.
There's a lot of great play in the West right now. Clippers, Thunder, Denver, Utah, Portland/Lakers/Mavs at times, just a great conference. Clippers/Jazz was awesome last night.
yelmrog
2012-02-02 11:42:12 AM
Cymbal
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INeedAName: Also, basketball is dumb.
Oh look, it's that guy.
Basketball is dumb? What are you, fourteen? Is it gay too?
I bet it's also retarded.
gtfan92
2012-02-02 11:45:40 AM
mainstreet62
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How can you go after Derrick Rose?
Because his shot selection is ridiculous? The guy chucks up 5 threes a game at under 30%, which is even more atrocious considering that Rose can get to the hoop whenever he wants.
I think basketball has been great this year. Mainly watching the Hawks, Heat, Thunder, Nuggets, Wolves, and Clips. All are extremely fun teams to watch.
obamartins
2012-02-02 11:47:26 AM
Anyone complaining about "superstar basketball" needs to go ahead and catch a Sixers game. Its absolutely unbelievable what they've been doing this season. They play the most fundamental TEAM basketball I've seen in the NBA in years. They're probably the only team in the NBA where on any given night 8/9 different players could lead the team in scoring.
/yes I'm including LaVoy Allen
//15 points last night!?!?!?!
///The Night OWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
TheShavingofOccam123
2012-02-02 11:49:21 AM
Charles Barkley played for Phoenix. He should know about several teams in the NBA that go out and hire the same point guard for 20 years and swear each year is THE year they win the playoffs without any big defenders, no second squad and one aging veteran point guard (Kevin Johnson at the time Charles Barkley played for the Suns.)
Yeah...
And the Suns have the audacity to force people to pay for cable to watch their one good player age gracefully while he watches cheap players come and go for years. Steve Nash can be a joy to watch but its no fun getting stroked each year by the Suns and local media how good the Suns are this year, year in and year out.
PunchDrunkPanda
2012-02-02 11:50:01 AM
Indiana/Minny and LAC/Utah were great last night. Quality is down, injuries are up, but that's expected with the lockout.
NBA and NHL are similar in that people who truly love the game will watch no matter what and appreciate the nuances, while the majority of people tune in for the playoffs and try to speak intelligently about the sport based on Sportscenter highlights and talk radio catch-phrases.
tonecluster
2012-02-02 11:55:36 AM
I'm a lifelong NBA fan and to me, what's turning me off the most is the decreasing quality of the officiating.
Yes, I know, they have sucked for years. BUT, this year it'shiat a new low.
Chris Mullen is right. WAY too many charges being called, which has led to more flopping than we've ever seen. There aren't enough "no calls". Superstar calls have gotten out of hand.
Level the officiating out, and you will see more team play at a higher quality, because players won't be rewarded for flopping (read: superstars).
John Nash
2012-02-02 11:56:30 AM
bigmattress
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John Nash: I dunno, it was pretty fun to watch the Bucks beat the Heat last night.
No diggity, no doubt. Especially watching Luc lock down on Lebron after the first (admittedly monstrous) quarter.
Any guy who plays defense first is automatically on my favorites list, and yeah he was just getting better as the game went on. He shut down Kobe pretty well last week too.
Also loving Jennings' game this year. I think he's figured it out.
regindyn
2012-02-02 12:01:25 PM
PunchDrunkPanda
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Indiana/Minny and LAC/Utah were great last night.
Quality is down, injuries are up, but that's expected with the lockout.
NBA and NHL are similar in that people who truly love the game will watch no matter what and appreciate the nuances, while the majority of people tune in for the playoffs and try to speak intelligently about the sport based on Sportscenter highlights and talk radio catch-phrases.
LAC/Utah was a great offense-oriented game (I only saw the first half). Indy/Minnesota was almost a brawl, and made me wish those two played more often, cause there was some intensity in that game.
gtfan92
2012-02-02 12:05:02 PM
tonecluster
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Superstar calls have gotten out of hand.
Do you have any evidence to support this? Because by looking at the stats, I don't see any superstar getting any more FTAs than usual, and I haven't really seen many egregious call when I've been watching.
bhcompy
2012-02-02 12:07:36 PM
tonecluster
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I'm a lifelong NBA fan and to me, what's turning me off the most is the decreasing quality of the officiating.
Yes, I know, they have sucked for years. BUT, this year it'shiat a new low.
Chris Mullen is right. WAY too many charges being called, which has led to more flopping than we've ever seen. There aren't enough "no calls". Superstar calls have gotten out of hand.
Level the officiating out, and you will see more team play at a higher quality, because players won't be rewarded for flopping (read: superstars).
Call technical fouls for flopping. Stop home team calls. Call traveling on stars.
How is
this 4-stepper
not traveling? Oh yea, I forgot, because it's Lebron it's not traveling.
tonecluster
2012-02-02 12:12:24 PM
gtfan92
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tonecluster: Superstar calls have gotten out of hand.
Do you have any evidence to support this? Because by looking at the stats, I don't see any superstar getting any more FTAs than usual, and I haven't really seen many egregious call when I've been watching.
If you haven't seen many egregious calls when you've been watching then no stat will probably do it for you.
I'm a Wolves fan and some of the calls Kevin Love gets boggle my mind. He's a hell of a flopper, too.
Basically, I see the calls he didn't get last year, when he was coming up. And now, I see the calls he gets.
It's like a switch was thrown in the league office.
gtfan92
2012-02-02 12:30:04 PM
tonecluster
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Basically, I see the calls he didn't get last year, when he was coming up. And now, I see the calls he gets.
Fun fact: Kevin Love is taking more FTAs this year than last year. Also a fun fact: he is attempting more shots this year, including more around the basket... No way the two are related.
People are just acting ridiculous when they say that superstars get all the calls. I believe LeBron was called for traveling 3 times last night? But no one will mention in, because he might have gotten away with it once. I remember Zaza Pachulia practically walking in from the three point line once this year for a dunk and a travel wasn't called... must be because he is a superstar!
bigmattress
2012-02-02 12:31:37 PM
John Nash
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bigmattress: John Nash: I dunno, it was pretty fun to watch the Bucks beat the Heat last night.
No diggity, no doubt. Especially watching Luc lock down on Lebron after the first (admittedly monstrous) quarter.
Any guy who plays defense first is automatically on my favorites list, and yeah he was just getting better as the game went on. He shut down Kobe pretty well last week too.
Also loving Jennings' game this year. I think he's figured it out.
Yeah, it would appear something finally clicked for him. I think he'll only get better from here on out...
IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T
2012-02-02 12:36:09 PM
obamartins
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Anyone complaining about "superstar basketball" needs to go ahead and catch a Sixers game.
I was actually looking at their schedule last night to see if they play the Mavs on the road this year so I can see my former driver's ed instructor (now asst. coach) and say hi. lol
/CSB
//Not playing them on the road
///Haz a sad
Mike_LowELL
2012-02-02 12:38:26 PM
gtfan92
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People are just acting ridiculous when they say that superstars get all the calls. I believe LeBron was called for traveling 3 times last night? But no one will mention in, because he might have gotten away with it once. I remember Zaza Pachulia practically walking in from the three point line once this year for a dunk and a travel wasn't called... must be because he is a superstar!
Isn't it amusing how a country that is completely enamored with professional football comes to the conclusion they don't like basketball because of the constant interruptions (See: Coach's Challenges, commercials after every possession, timeouts at the end of the game to ice kickers), preferential star treatment (See: The bastardization of the NFL rule set as a means of extending the shelf life and effectiveness of the pocket-passing quarterback, the most marketable skill set in the league), and can't relate with the athletes because of their height (as though a league where the average player is 6'6 and 220 is worse than a league where the average player is 6'2 and 260)? I think it's more likely that people don't like what they suck at, and with most people in the country being white, there you go.
germ78
2012-02-02 12:41:23 PM
The NBA would be tons better if they contracted several non-competitive (and frankly, never-will-be-competitive) teams.
/don't get me started on the black hole of money that is the WNBA
LizardPeople
2012-02-02 12:43:16 PM
Any sport where fouling is rewarded is broken. The fouling team should automatically lose possesion.
MugzyBrown
2012-02-02 12:46:07 PM
People are just acting ridiculous when they say that superstars get all the calls. I believe LeBron was called for traveling 3 times last night? But no one will mention in, because he might have gotten away with it once. I remember Zaza Pachulia practically walking in from the three point line once this year for a dunk and a travel wasn't called... must be because he is a superstar!
Stars are more likely to get bailed out on drives to the lane than non-stars
MugzyBrown
2012-02-02 12:48:36 PM
The fouling team should automatically lose possesion.
They do.
gtfan92
2012-02-02 12:51:30 PM
MugzyBrown
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People are just acting ridiculous when they say that superstars get all the calls. I believe LeBron was called for traveling 3 times last night? But no one will mention in, because he might have gotten away with it once. I remember Zaza Pachulia practically walking in from the three point line once this year for a dunk and a travel wasn't called... must be because he is a superstar!
Stars are more likely to get bailed out on drives to the lane than non-stars
Most stars in the NBA today are stars because of their ability to get past their defender by utilizing a great first step, and driving into the lane where another defender will likely have to help and foul to stop them, or the original defender will have to foul. The fact that they get "bailed-out" more probably has something to do with the fact that they are going to be effectively driving into traffic more.
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