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2012-02-02 05:15:32 AM  

Notabunny: Sell them side by side: The $500 sweatshop model, and the $510 fair labor model. My bet is Apple customers will buy the fair labor model.


And then the derpsters will be whining that Apple customers feel smug for having gadgets that aren't made in a sweatshop.
 
2012-02-02 05:25:39 AM  

blacksharpiemarker: That's the disgusting thing about these companies. They make billions in profit and throw their employees crumbs. It's exactly what needs to change. Minimum wage should start at atleast double what it is now.


While I'm not sure what the minimum wage should be, imho you're exactly right in thinking this is a government problem and not a corporation problem. People here and everywhere else (including myself at times) advocate thoughtful purchasing. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to work and that's why we're stuck in this current cycle. I can't fault businesses for maximizing their profits using entirely legal methods anymore than I can fault consumers as a whole for maximizing their cash.

This (imho) is a prime example of why people have a government... to create incentives for for business and/or consumers that will better ensure an excellent quality of life for all it's citizens.
 
2012-02-02 05:33:34 AM  

qrrbrbirlbel: That's like going to a CEO and complaining about a spill instead of the janitor. Yes, Apple can and should fix this but Jesus Christ, they aren't causing it, calm down. This petition starts off saying we can pressure Cook into doing whatever we want and that Apple is the cause of everything happening to the workers in China, a country that genuinely does not give a shiat about human rights. Those are not Apple's workers, and that is not Apple's factory. The suppliers are the ones oppressing their own people. Again, I agree they'd bend over backwards if Apple said they have to, but this thing is screeching at them for how bad conditions are that they didn't cause, and using more than its fair share of rhetoric to make it sound like it IS Apple causing all this so they can force Tim Cook's hand, which they openly admit they're doing. Good end, but a means I'd expect from a shady multi-billion dollar corporation.


FWIW, iHaters == teabaggers

Teabaggers blame 'Fartbongo' for the nation's debt and current wars. iHaters blame Apple for making a highly successful product for no reason they can comprehend.
 
2012-02-02 05:52:56 AM  
I guess if you have 70% profit per unit it has to come off someones back. Pay decent wages, decent working conditions and perhaps earn 60%. I have a phone made by Apple, but now I have good reason not to upgrade.
 
2012-02-02 05:53:57 AM  
So many commenters in this and the other related threads, and virtually no sign of understanding the scope of the problem. Not surprising given the typical makeup of the Fark-geek crowd (i.e. mostly Apple Haters).

Bringing the assembly work back to the US (which is all China has when it comes to Apple's products, component manufacturing happens elsewhere) would create relatively few jobs and a lot more problems: the environmental impact of chemical waste, much longer times between product release, decreased flexibility in product design, increased delays due to component defects. That's just off the top of my head.

Even if you pull off some kind of miracle and convince the other component suppliers to relocate their facilities so that companies like Apple can have the same product design/release advantages they do now, the problems aren't solved. Yeah, maybe you only see a doubling in costs to assemble (likely more), but now there's a huge imbalance in import/export favoring the US; that brings up all sorts of political maneuvers that will further increase costs.

Unless people are really willing to put up with the huge delays in product release along with their increased costs (they're not) it's not going to happen. Get the training to be one of the brains that design the products, or be part of the app/book ecosystem instead.

Then it shouldn't be that long before all we're buying from companies like Apple is a file for our 3D printers so we don't even have to leave home to get our gadget fix.
 
2012-02-02 06:07:17 AM  
Or conversely, they could keep the price the same and only make 39 billion next quarter....
 
2012-02-02 06:08:33 AM  

FlameDuck: I guess if you have 70% profit per unit it has to come off someones back. Pay decent wages, decent working conditions and perhaps earn 60%. I have a phone made by Apple, but now I have good reason not to upgrade.


You realize all phones suffer from this same problem, right?
 
2012-02-02 06:22:05 AM  

DamnCheapMonkey: So many commenters in this and the other related threads, and virtually no sign of understanding the scope of the problem. Not surprising given the typical makeup of the Fark-geek crowd (i.e. mostly Apple Haters).


How ironic then that you don't even understand it. The problem has nothing to do with labor costs. The problem is getting all the material that goes into making phones to America for manufacturing. The delays would only be in sourcing all the various items required, all manufactured in Asia already by contractors and subcontractors, many of which you cannot just duplicate in the states because they're natural resources.

Building the supply chain would be possible, but that would be where all the cost is. Not labor, not waste, not delays.
 
2012-02-02 06:38:32 AM  

I sound fat: Or conversely, they could keep the price the same and only make 39 billion next quarter....


Why is it only Apple's profits that need to be sacrificed? Dozens of other companies have Foxconn assemble their products. After the rash Of suicides in 2010, they arranged for raises (new window) by knocking their margins down a couple percent.

On top of that, they have regular audits conducted and a published code of conduct for their suppliers. They're also the first company to join the Fair Labor Association from the tech industry.

Most people are very anxious to keep the focus solely on Apple's indirect involvement, regardless of the fact they're one out of dozens of Foxconn's clients. But, I suppose that gets more hits than coverage of what they do to try and make the situation better, right?
 
2012-02-02 06:56:33 AM  
Who's going to buy a $1200 phone? Certainly not the Chinese slaves that make them. In a few years there won't be many Americans that can afford them either.

/Ford had it right
//pay his workers well enough to afford the product they were making
///hardly any company does that any more
 
2012-02-02 07:04:00 AM  
know the facts.

Link (new window)
 
2012-02-02 07:10:15 AM  
Copy pasta'd from the wiki. Add all these companies to your stupid, petition/ban. You might want to also check your clothes. If it's not made in the west you best be taking it off. Then add in most of the rest of the crap in your house, including the Sheetrock. Apple isn't the problem it's YOU.

Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:
(country of headquarters in parentheses)
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[27]
Amazon.com (United States)[28]
Apple Inc. (United States)[29]
ASRock (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Asus (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Barnes & Noble (United States)[citation needed]
Cisco (United States)[30]
Dell (United States)[31]
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[32]
Intel (United States)[33]
IBM (United States)[citation needed]
Lenovo (China)[citation needed]
Microsoft (United States)[34]
MSI (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Motorola (United States)[31]
Netgear (United States)[citation needed]
Nintendo (Japan)[35]
Nokia (Finland)[29]
Panasonic (Japan)[citation needed]
Samsung (South Korea)[36]
Sharp (Japan)[citation needed]
Sony (Japan)[37]
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[38]
Vizio (United States)[39]
 
2012-02-02 07:10:59 AM  

DamnCheapMonkey: I sound fat: Or conversely, they could keep the price the same and only make 39 billion next quarter....

Why is it only Apple's profits that need to be sacrificed? Dozens of other companies have Foxconn assemble their products. After the rash Of suicides in 2010, they arranged for raises (new window) by knocking their margins down a couple percent.

On top of that, they have regular audits conducted and a published code of conduct for their suppliers. They're also the first company to join the Fair Labor Association from the tech industry.

Most people are very anxious to keep the focus solely on Apple's indirect involvement, regardless of the fact they're one out of dozens of Foxconn's clients. But, I suppose that gets more hits than coverage of what they do to try and make the situation better, right?


the suicide rate amongst foxxcon workers is less than the national average...people think 6 is a big number until you realize that 200,000 people work there.
 
2012-02-02 07:17:53 AM  

The Bestest: Speaker2Animals: The Walton family did more damage to this country than al-Qaeda.

The ironic thing is that Sam Walton was pretty big on "Made in America".

Then he died.


Yeah, as a construction worker. The older guys talk about building walmarts and Sam Walton would always come to the sites and come and b/s with all of us common people on the job. By all accounts he was a stand-up guy who loved his country.

Then he died.
 
2012-02-02 07:18:31 AM  

Speaker2Animals: Amagi:
Bah, give it rest you idiots. If American's had not have been so desperate

Comedy gold! Calling other people idiots and then making an idiotic mistake with an apostrophe.


Don't disregard his completely valid point. Americans want cheap stuff and that is what walmart is supplying. People look to the 60s and 70s as some sort of high point for the middle class but forget the inflation webbed to deal with then. A huge reason inflation has been much tamer in recent decades is globalization.
 
2012-02-02 07:22:43 AM  
How about this: We send a message to Apple by not buying their products on Monday of each week. It worked so well for the idiots who recommended that for fuel purchases.
 
2012-02-02 07:24:42 AM  

intelligent comment below: How ironic then that you don't even understand it. The problem has nothing to do with labor costs. The problem is getting all the material that goes into making phones to America for manufacturing. The delays would only be in sourcing all the various items required, all manufactured in Asia already by contractors and subcontractors, many of which you cannot just duplicate in the states because they're natural resources.


Just because I didn't give a comprehensive review of all the associated problems, doesn't mean I don't have an understanding. I certainly don't put it down to labor costs nor limit delays to sourcing materials.

It's not the cost of the labor, it's the availability of enough people with the right skills to assemble hi-tech products and the engineers necessary to monitor the production. What US company can even meet, much less beat, the speed that Foxconn can find and hire the thousands of people their clients need?

Building the supply chain would be possible, but that would be where all the cost is. Not labor, not waste, not delays.

Build the entire supply chain in the US and it might solve the delays issue, but that doesn't get around all the issues with labor or waste (just look at China's pollution problems). And how many companies can even afford the massive undertaking of relocation? Or feel any need to move to the US just so Apple can say "Made in the USA"? And it's hopelessly naive of you to assume governments around the world are just going to gladly accept the massive shift in trade and keep current import/export regulations as they are.

The only irony in this exchange is your handle, as I see not the least sign you have applied any intelligence to your comment.
 
2012-02-02 07:44:53 AM  

Jamdug!: What about all the other companies that use this type of labor.

/I guess you gotta start somewhere.


they get a free pass
 
2012-02-02 07:48:06 AM  
images.icanhascheezburger.com
 
2012-02-02 07:49:44 AM  

FTA :

"She also said Apple factories need to open their doors to independent auditors and charge more for their products to allow suppliers to make bigger profits."


I am absolutely certain NONE of Apple's competitors are behind this. You know, the ones that cannot compete on price because Apple beat the fark out of them with a superior supply chain. I am also certain NONE of you are being useful idiots for those competitors, either.

You know, the same competitors which are hoping you won't notice they use Foxconn too.

/ More than manufacturing what this country needs is rational thought
// as we have far too many idiots running around loose.
/// And what is more, these idiots are voting.
 
2012-02-02 08:06:54 AM  

1macgeek: // as we have far too many idiots running around loose.
/// And what is more, these idiots are voting.



Says the guy that thinks China is going to pay for Canadian healthcare for a year if we don't build an oil pipeline.

You're not very smart.
 
2012-02-02 08:11:58 AM  

Boudyro: Copy pasta'd from the wiki. Add all these companies to your stupid, petition/ban. You might want to also check your clothes. If it's not made in the west you best be taking it off. Then add in most of the rest of the crap in your house, including the Sheetrock. Apple isn't the problem it's YOU.

Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:
(country of headquarters in parentheses)
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[27]
Amazon.com (United States)[28]
Apple Inc. (United States)[29]
ASRock (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Asus (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Barnes & Noble (United States)[citation needed]
Cisco (United States)[30]
Dell (United States)[31]
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[32]
Intel (United States)[33]
IBM (United States)[citation needed]
Lenovo (China)[citation needed]
Microsoft (United States)[34]
MSI (Taiwan)[citation needed]
Motorola (United States)[31]
Netgear (United States)[citation needed]
Nintendo (Japan)[35]
Nokia (Finland)[29]
Panasonic (Japan)[citation needed]
Samsung (South Korea)[36]
Sharp (Japan)[citation needed]
Sony (Japan)[37]
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[38]
Vizio (United States)[39]


One of those companies has managed to sue their way free of competition and builds in 30% profit margins.
 
2012-02-02 08:12:45 AM  

digistil: FlameDuck: I guess if you have 70% profit per unit it has to come off someones back. Pay decent wages, decent working conditions and perhaps earn 60%. I have a phone made by Apple, but now I have good reason not to upgrade.

You realize all phones suffer from this same problem, right?


Of course, but when problems are pointed out one must take a stand. I don't have resources to watch whole industry. To think of it some Nokia phones used to be made in Finland, but I guess not any more and of course the components come from somewhere else.
 
2012-02-02 08:23:05 AM  
To be honest, most of the money Apple makes is not from cheap electronics, but from the American-Made Music and the American-Made Apps that Apple makes for their App Stores and iTunes. And you can't get more American than Zynga. And Justin Beiber.
 
2012-02-02 08:30:20 AM  

FlameDuck: digistil: FlameDuck: I guess if you have 70% profit per unit it has to come off someones back. Pay decent wages, decent working conditions and perhaps earn 60%. I have a phone made by Apple, but now I have good reason not to upgrade.

You realize all phones suffer from this same problem, right?

Of course, but when problems are pointed out one must take a stand. I don't have resources to watch whole industry. To think of it some Nokia phones used to be made in Finland, but I guess not any more and of course the components come from somewhere else.


Pretty half-assed stand then, isn't it? You're going to switch phones, but take advantage of all the other products made in conditions as bad as, possibly worse, than Foxconn? You're a real humanitarian, bud.
 
kab
2012-02-02 08:30:40 AM  
Petitions aren't going to do shiat. Americans care about these sort of things on paper only, but when actual action is required (ie, voting with their wallets), they just want their toys, and simply aren't concerned with how or where they were made.

The irony here is that when Chinese workers finally do start fighting for fair wages, which is a natural evolution of things in industry, they'll likely be viewed about as favorably as unions are here in the US.

"How dare they ask for more money... look how good they have it! If they don't like it, they can go back to farming!"

It will be an interesting day to see when capitalism has no one left to exploit.
 
2012-02-02 08:45:59 AM  
The other aspect to consider here is that this is how we are going to "beat" communist China. Folks like to talk about how the Chinese take these long strategic views, but the deeper they commit to supplying our cheap crap the greater the pressure becomes on their system.

Right now we are getting all the stuff we could ever want while the Chinese destroy their environment to sell it to us. Not to mention that these "slave" wages are some of the best in China. China is currently writing checks it can't cash because soon the majority of its population is going to want, and believe they deserve, a western type of lifestyle.


What China is doing right now in terms of wages, and damage to their environment is not sustainable. We are doing the economic/environmental equivalent of what we did militarilly to the USSR. Ramping up the pressure to an unsustainable point while we conserve and protect our own resources as best we can.

China's environment is probably going to collapse catastrophically before they run out of wage slaves. When it does guess who's going to be there to help them out with money and food?
 
2012-02-02 08:56:30 AM  
the suicide rate amongst foxxcon workers is less than the national average...people think 6 is a big number until you realize that 200,000 people work there.

So? They also hire 12 to 15 year olds, and an employee died after working 35 hours straight. 150 workers in one branch of the company threatened suicide unless working conditions improved. Foxconn basically said "if you don't like it, either quit and take the company compensation, or STFU and GBTW." The workers quit, and are still waiting for their compensation. This was just a few weeks ago. How many other companies in China have had to install suicide nets around the building to keep the jumpers from succeeding?

Apple chooses to use them as a manufacturer. They are so vested in that production line, it's unlikely that they'll be able to fix it in the next generation of iPhones...they'll have to contract production to a new company for maybe the iPhone 6 or 7 / iPad 4 or 5, given the amount of production capacity they require.

Samsung may not be any better, but the volume of products made by Foxconn for them is probably lower. Unfortunately, I can't find anything that states who their Galaxy smartphones are subbed out to. Anyone have better luck?

For now, ignorance is bliss...I was considering an iPhone 5 to replace my Samsung Galaxy S, but I'll probably upgrade to the next generation of Galaxy phones when this one dies.
 
2012-02-02 09:07:30 AM  

Bendal: /Ford had it right
//pay his workers well enough to afford the product they were making
///hardly any company does that any more


Well, then, Ford was obviously a communist.
 
2012-02-02 09:20:19 AM  

Stabone33: , and an employee died after working 35 hours straight.


I've worked 38 hours straight, in America.
 
2012-02-02 09:25:41 AM  
Stabone33: , and an employee died after working 35 hours straight.

I've worked 38 hours straight, in America.


In a factory, making electronics?
 
2012-02-02 09:36:15 AM  
The other side of the coin that people don't look at is China's protectionist tactics.

A large part of why so much of that manufacturing is there is that many of the rare earth metals are minded there. China puts a HUGE export tariff on those raw ores and what not. In fact we just won a WTO case against China. But it really matters little as China goal was to get the plants build there that would turn the ores into finished products, like smart phone parts.
.
We are also losing the solar panel race to China due in small part to China's governmental involvement. They heavily subsidize that industry where we have Congress just aching to cut funding for it.

The only reason I can see we let China have most favored nation status is so they keep buying our debt. I guess we need to bomb Iran before we hit the limit on our China Credit card.
 
2012-02-02 09:37:48 AM  

Stabone33: the suicide rate amongst foxxcon workers is less than the national average...people think 6 is a big number until you realize that 200,000 people work there.

So? They also hire 12 to 15 year olds, and an employee died after working 35 hours straight. 150 workers in one branch of the company threatened suicide unless working conditions improved. Foxconn basically said "if you don't like it, either quit and take the company compensation, or STFU and GBTW." The workers quit, and are still waiting for their compensation. This was just a few weeks ago. How many other companies in China have had to install suicide nets around the building to keep the jumpers from succeeding?


Apple's audits found 0 underage workers in their suppliers' facilities. Are you suggesting they were all squirreled away prior to the audits? Or do you have some source that shows it still happens?

Funny you mention the suicide threats, but fail to include the detail that they were workers on the Xbox assembly line. And do you really think conditions are any better at other manufacturing plants?

At least you were right about the overtime abuses, though I'd like to see a source for the 35 hour death.

Apple chooses to use them as a manufacturer. They are so vested in that production line, it's unlikely that they'll be able to fix it in the next generation of iPhones...they'll have to contract production to a new company for maybe the iPhone 6 or 7 / iPad 4 or 5, given the amount of production capacity they require.

Samsung may not be any better, but the volume of products made by Foxconn for them is probably lower. Unfortunately, I can't find anything that states who their Galaxy smartphones are subbed out to. Anyone have better luck?


Samsung gets a free pass because of possibly lower production? Wow, your standards are beyond reproach! Truly, you put the human into "humanitarian"!

Don't know what volume Samsung contracts out, but it's not as though they show any great willingness (new window) to expand employee rights.

For now, ignorance is bliss...I was considering an iPhone 5 to replace my Samsung Galaxy S, but I'll probably upgrade to the next generation of Galaxy phones when this one dies.

Sure, why not? They use slightly less of Foxconn's production volume (maybe), they're squeaky clean!
 
2012-02-02 09:49:48 AM  
Machines exist that can do this work anywhere in the world. (example: Link (new window))

The problem: setting up such an assembly chain costs billions of dollars, and that's bad for quarterly profits! Much cheaper in the short term to shift your production from country to country until all the cheap labor becomes expensive.

Machines do the job with amazing repeatability, don't get upset about their pay, don't need breaks (unless they break down), meals, etc. Which is probably why Foxconn decided to replace its workforce with robots: Link (new window)

Too bad China is the "low cost worlds factory" or that could be happening here.
 
imi
2012-02-02 09:51:14 AM  
Where's the link to petition to request using cheaper labor that drives down the cost of the iPhone?

The real issue is that people want to keep their smug rating up when they purchase an iDevice and they really want a sticker on the back that says "Now with 50% more Smug" so they can feel that they are helping people when they purchase the device.

Of course, they can't consider boycotting Apple if they don't like the business practices. That would be too much of an inconvenience.
 
2012-02-02 09:53:38 AM  
The amount of derp in this thread far exceeds the typical Apple flamethread.
 
2012-02-02 10:12:08 AM  

1macgeek: I am absolutely certain NONE of Apple's competitors are behind this. You know, the ones that cannot compete on price because Apple beat the fark out of them with a superior supply chain.


lol what? Apple is higher priced and the quality of the product is the same, if not better in the competitors.
 
2012-02-02 10:13:27 AM  

FlameDuck: digistil: FlameDuck: I guess if you have 70% profit per unit it has to come off someones back. Pay decent wages, decent working conditions and perhaps earn 60%. I have a phone made by Apple, but now I have good reason not to upgrade.

You realize all phones suffer from this same problem, right?

Of course, but when problems are pointed out one must take a stand. I don't have resources to watch whole industry. To think of it some Nokia phones used to be made in Finland, but I guess not any more and of course the components come from somewhere else.


Even the uber expensive Vertu's (cost $$$$$) are now made in China. And Foxxconn is one of the high end manufacturers. You will not find a smart phone available today or in the relatively near future that isn't manufactured under similar conditions at best.

So the only way you can take the stand you claim you will make is to not buy a smart phone.
 
2012-02-02 10:13:40 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Says the guy that thinks China is going to pay for Canadian healthcare for a year if we don't build an oil pipeline.


Well, I see you still bring nothing but "I said so" and derp to the conversation. Calling you out : do any of Apple's competitors use Foxconn, too? It's time to put up or shut up, Derpy McDerpington.
 
2012-02-02 10:18:46 AM  

kab: Petitions aren't going to do shiat. Americans care about these sort of things on paper only, but when actual action is required (ie, voting with their wallets), they just want their toys, and simply aren't concerned with how or where they were made.


Exactly. The only reasonable chance of changing things is for the government to encourage different behavior. Lots of people would love to drive 100 mph on the interstate, but most don't because of the consequences. Similarly, the government offers tax breaks to new small business owners and people paying for higher education. Why? Because it's good for our society.
 
2012-02-02 10:19:08 AM  

MBK: I kinda wonder where all this backlash was when Jobs was alive.

I mean, it isn't like they just started making iPhones and iPods and other Apple products.


Apple products were manufactured in California for muh of the company's history
 
2012-02-02 10:19:17 AM  
Apple executives themselves have admitted that making the iPhone in the US would add less than $50 to the cost.

They make it in China because of the massive flexible workforce and manufacturing infrastructure there.

images.wikia.com
 
2012-02-02 10:21:49 AM  

machoprogrammer: lol what? Apple is higher priced and the quality of the product is the same, if not better in the competitors.


1997 called and they want their myths back.
 
2012-02-02 10:29:07 AM  

MBK: I kinda wonder where all this backlash was when Jobs was alive. I mean, it isn't like they just started making iPhones and iPods and other Apple products.


www.wired.com

There was backlash while Jobs was alive. Wired ran a cover story on it about a year ago. Was it timely? Yeah, probably. That exponential growth thing tends to be underestimated until it causes a lot of grief. See also: housing bubble, college tuition bubble.
 
2012-02-02 10:36:05 AM  

minnesotaboy: Apple executives themselves have admitted that making the iPhone in the US would add less than $50 to the cost.

They make it in China because of the massive flexible workforce and manufacturing infrastructure there.

[images.wikia.com image 300x273]


"Flexible workforce" being a euphamism for slave labor, and the "manufacturing infrastructure" existing there because of, again, slave labor. They are simply trying to obfuscate the issue with those explanations.
 
2012-02-02 10:38:19 AM  

1macgeek: HotWingConspiracy: Says the guy that thinks China is going to pay for Canadian healthcare for a year if we don't build an oil pipeline.

Well, I see you still bring nothing but "I said so" and derp to the conversation. Calling you out : do any of Apple's competitors use Foxconn, too? It's time to put up or shut up, Derpy McDerpington.


You're calling me out by asking a question that has been addressed and answered in this thread?

You're not very smart.
 
2012-02-02 10:38:37 AM  

m3000: Considering Apple made $13 billion in PROFIT last quarter, and has 63,300 employees, they could pay an extra 205,371.25 per employee per QUARTER and still not be in the red.

So somehow I think labor costs are not a contributing factor to the price of an iPad or iPhone.


That's because the Chinese labor of making the phones is not counted as 'labor' by Apple. The Chinese making the the phones aren't Apple employees... they work for the Chinese stated owned businesses that Apple hires to make/assemble the phones. If they were made in the U.S., Apple's COGS would certainly increase dramatically.
 
2012-02-02 10:40:21 AM  

GameSprocket: Stabone33: , and an employee died after working 35 hours straight.

I've worked 38 hours straight, in America.


Damn. What type of work??

I remember pulling 15-18 hour shifts during the summer when I was 14, at the local golf club. I didn't care because it was the only job I could get, so I was fine with it.
 
2012-02-02 10:53:43 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: You're calling me out by asking a question that has been addressed and answered in this thread?


No, I am trying to ascertain your perceptions, or more likely your lack of perception. That you refuse to answer the question just adds to the list of evidence that you are incapable of providing anything to a conversation save "I said so". That is the hallmark of not very smart.
 
2012-02-02 11:00:14 AM  

1macgeek: HotWingConspiracy: You're calling me out by asking a question that has been addressed and answered in this thread?

No, I am trying to ascertain your perceptions, or more likely your lack of perception. That you refuse to answer the question just adds to the list of evidence that you are incapable of providing anything to a conversation save "I said so". That is the hallmark of not very smart.


Many companies utilize Foxconn's services. It's right in here in the thread. Maybe you just don't read well?

In any case, I wasn't addressing your stupid conspiracy theory. And boy is it farking stupid.

You're just not very smart. Very smug, but just plain dumb.
 
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