Notabunny: Sell them side by side: The $500 sweatshop model, and the $510 fair labor model. My bet is Apple customers will buy the fair labor model.
blacksharpiemarker: That's the disgusting thing about these companies. They make billions in profit and throw their employees crumbs. It's exactly what needs to change. Minimum wage should start at atleast double what it is now.
qrrbrbirlbel: That's like going to a CEO and complaining about a spill instead of the janitor. Yes, Apple can and should fix this but Jesus Christ, they aren't causing it, calm down. This petition starts off saying we can pressure Cook into doing whatever we want and that Apple is the cause of everything happening to the workers in China, a country that genuinely does not give a shiat about human rights. Those are not Apple's workers, and that is not Apple's factory. The suppliers are the ones oppressing their own people. Again, I agree they'd bend over backwards if Apple said they have to, but this thing is screeching at them for how bad conditions are that they didn't cause, and using more than its fair share of rhetoric to make it sound like it IS Apple causing all this so they can force Tim Cook's hand, which they openly admit they're doing. Good end, but a means I'd expect from a shady multi-billion dollar corporation.
FlameDuck: I guess if you have 70% profit per unit it has to come off someones back. Pay decent wages, decent working conditions and perhaps earn 60%. I have a phone made by Apple, but now I have good reason not to upgrade.
DamnCheapMonkey: So many commenters in this and the other related threads, and virtually no sign of understanding the scope of the problem. Not surprising given the typical makeup of the Fark-geek crowd (i.e. mostly Apple Haters).
I sound fat: Or conversely, they could keep the price the same and only make 39 billion next quarter....
DamnCheapMonkey: I sound fat: Or conversely, they could keep the price the same and only make 39 billion next quarter....Why is it only Apple's profits that need to be sacrificed? Dozens of other companies have Foxconn assemble their products. After the rash Of suicides in 2010, they arranged for raises (new window) by knocking their margins down a couple percent.On top of that, they have regular audits conducted and a published code of conduct for their suppliers. They're also the first company to join the Fair Labor Association from the tech industry.Most people are very anxious to keep the focus solely on Apple's indirect involvement, regardless of the fact they're one out of dozens of Foxconn's clients. But, I suppose that gets more hits than coverage of what they do to try and make the situation better, right?
The Bestest: Speaker2Animals: The Walton family did more damage to this country than al-Qaeda.The ironic thing is that Sam Walton was pretty big on "Made in America".Then he died.
Speaker2Animals: Amagi:Bah, give it rest you idiots. If American's had not have been so desperateComedy gold! Calling other people idiots and then making an idiotic mistake with an apostrophe.
intelligent comment below: How ironic then that you don't even understand it. The problem has nothing to do with labor costs. The problem is getting all the material that goes into making phones to America for manufacturing. The delays would only be in sourcing all the various items required, all manufactured in Asia already by contractors and subcontractors, many of which you cannot just duplicate in the states because they're natural resources.
Jamdug!: What about all the other companies that use this type of labor./I guess you gotta start somewhere.
"She also said Apple factories need to open their doors to independent auditors and charge more for their products to allow suppliers to make bigger profits."
1macgeek: // as we have far too many idiots running around loose./// And what is more, these idiots are voting.
Boudyro: Copy pasta'd from the wiki. Add all these companies to your stupid, petition/ban. You might want to also check your clothes. If it's not made in the west you best be taking it off. Then add in most of the rest of the crap in your house, including the Sheetrock. Apple isn't the problem it's YOU.Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:(country of headquarters in parentheses)Acer Inc. (Taiwan)Amazon.com (United States)Apple Inc. (United States)ASRock (Taiwan)Asus (Taiwan)Barnes & Noble (United States)Cisco (United States)Dell (United States)EVGA Corporation (United States)Hewlett-Packard (United States)Intel (United States)IBM (United States)Lenovo (China)Microsoft (United States)MSI (Taiwan)Motorola (United States)Netgear (United States)Nintendo (Japan)Nokia (Finland)Panasonic (Japan)Samsung (South Korea)Sharp (Japan)Sony (Japan)Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)Vizio (United States)
digistil: FlameDuck: I guess if you have 70% profit per unit it has to come off someones back. Pay decent wages, decent working conditions and perhaps earn 60%. I have a phone made by Apple, but now I have good reason not to upgrade.You realize all phones suffer from this same problem, right?
FlameDuck: digistil: FlameDuck: I guess if you have 70% profit per unit it has to come off someones back. Pay decent wages, decent working conditions and perhaps earn 60%. I have a phone made by Apple, but now I have good reason not to upgrade.You realize all phones suffer from this same problem, right?Of course, but when problems are pointed out one must take a stand. I don't have resources to watch whole industry. To think of it some Nokia phones used to be made in Finland, but I guess not any more and of course the components come from somewhere else.
Bendal: /Ford had it right//pay his workers well enough to afford the product they were making///hardly any company does that any more
Stabone33: , and an employee died after working 35 hours straight.
Stabone33: the suicide rate amongst foxxcon workers is less than the national average...people think 6 is a big number until you realize that 200,000 people work there.So? They also hire 12 to 15 year olds, and an employee died after working 35 hours straight. 150 workers in one branch of the company threatened suicide unless working conditions improved. Foxconn basically said "if you don't like it, either quit and take the company compensation, or STFU and GBTW." The workers quit, and are still waiting for their compensation. This was just a few weeks ago. How many other companies in China have had to install suicide nets around the building to keep the jumpers from succeeding?
1macgeek: I am absolutely certain NONE of Apple's competitors are behind this. You know, the ones that cannot compete on price because Apple beat the fark out of them with a superior supply chain.
HotWingConspiracy: Says the guy that thinks China is going to pay for Canadian healthcare for a year if we don't build an oil pipeline.
kab: Petitions aren't going to do shiat. Americans care about these sort of things on paper only, but when actual action is required (ie, voting with their wallets), they just want their toys, and simply aren't concerned with how or where they were made.
MBK: I kinda wonder where all this backlash was when Jobs was alive.I mean, it isn't like they just started making iPhones and iPods and other Apple products.
machoprogrammer: lol what? Apple is higher priced and the quality of the product is the same, if not better in the competitors.
MBK: I kinda wonder where all this backlash was when Jobs was alive. I mean, it isn't like they just started making iPhones and iPods and other Apple products.
minnesotaboy: Apple executives themselves have admitted that making the iPhone in the US would add less than $50 to the cost.They make it in China because of the massive flexible workforce and manufacturing infrastructure there.[images.wikia.com image 300x273]
1macgeek: HotWingConspiracy: Says the guy that thinks China is going to pay for Canadian healthcare for a year if we don't build an oil pipeline.Well, I see you still bring nothing but "I said so" and derp to the conversation. Calling you out : do any of Apple's competitors use Foxconn, too? It's time to put up or shut up, Derpy McDerpington.
m3000: Considering Apple made $13 billion in PROFIT last quarter, and has 63,300 employees, they could pay an extra 205,371.25 per employee per QUARTER and still not be in the red.So somehow I think labor costs are not a contributing factor to the price of an iPad or iPhone.
GameSprocket: Stabone33: , and an employee died after working 35 hours straight.I've worked 38 hours straight, in America.
HotWingConspiracy: You're calling me out by asking a question that has been addressed and answered in this thread?
1macgeek: HotWingConspiracy: You're calling me out by asking a question that has been addressed and answered in this thread?No, I am trying to ascertain your perceptions, or more likely your lack of perception. That you refuse to answer the question just adds to the list of evidence that you are incapable of providing anything to a conversation save "I said so". That is the hallmark of not very smart.
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