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2012-02-01 08:36:18 PM  
Sis-terrr.... So...you have a twin sis-ter....

\don't know why that's one of my favorite lines from the entire saga, maybe it's the inflection
 
2012-02-01 08:48:20 PM  
Screama Lisa?
 
2012-02-01 09:55:42 PM  
Dan Brown needs more money.
 
2012-02-01 10:38:09 PM  
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-02-01 11:33:35 PM  

FriarReb98: Sis-terrr.... So...you have a twin sis-ter....


Your feelings have now betrayed her, too.
 
2012-02-01 11:37:00 PM  
Rona Lisa?
 
2012-02-01 11:37:02 PM  
"Experts" just now realized it was a Mona Lisa copy?
 
2012-02-01 11:39:02 PM  
Dya Lisa.
 
2012-02-01 11:42:48 PM  

Jamdug!: Dan Brown needs more money.


Dan Brown has already been vastly overpaid.
 
2012-02-01 11:43:20 PM  
Rentora Lisa
 
2012-02-01 11:44:02 PM  
...as did your whore mother.
 
2012-02-01 11:44:06 PM  
further clean up revealed this
i41.tinypic.com
 
2012-02-01 11:45:55 PM  
Lisa Mona
 
2012-02-01 11:46:58 PM  
i218.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-01 11:48:03 PM  

Gonad the Ballbarian: "Experts" just now realized it was a Mona Lisa copy?


This. Have they never seen the original before?
 
2012-02-01 11:48:48 PM  
I'd totally hit the one on the right first.

/ I know, I know... sharp knees and all that
 
2012-02-01 11:48:51 PM  
Oceans 14?
 
2012-02-01 11:49:32 PM  
It took them how long to figure out that they had basically a copy of one of the most famous paintings int he world?

It would be like Minnesota looking at a mountain and seeing a perfect copy of Mt. Rushmore
 
2012-02-01 11:50:53 PM  

Grables'Daughter: FriarReb98: Sis-terrr.... So...you have a twin sis-ter....

Your feelings have now betrayed her, too.


Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me.
 
2012-02-01 11:50:55 PM  
Is it odd that I like the painting by the apprentice better than the painting by the master?
 
2012-02-01 11:53:17 PM  

FriarReb98: Sis-terrr.... So...you have a twin sis-ter....

\don't know why that's one of my favorite lines from the entire saga, maybe it's the inflection


I have to wonder what was the point of this sibling element of the storyline. It was completely irrelevant to everything else in the original trilogy... except of course for that scene in the beginning of Empire where Leia got to first base with Luke. I know, it was just to make Han jealous, but still... ew.
 
2012-02-01 11:54:55 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: [images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 250x189]


Came for this
 
2012-02-01 11:57:09 PM  

MuonNeutrino: Grables'Daughter: FriarReb98: Sis-terrr.... So...you have a twin sis-ter....

Your feelings have now betrayed her, too.

Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me.


You are unwise to lower your defenses!
 
2012-02-01 11:59:47 PM  
What I've never understood about the Mona Lisa is that freaky background. A barren nightmarish landscape is no place for a pretty young girl to be posing for a painting. Take the girl someplace nice next time, Leonardo DiCapro!
 
2012-02-02 12:00:00 AM  

Grables'Daughter: MuonNeutrino: Grables'Daughter: FriarReb98: Sis-terrr.... So...you have a twin sis-ter....

Your feelings have now betrayed her, too.

Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me.

If you are not to turn to the DARK SIDE than perhaps she WILL.
 
2012-02-02 12:00:34 AM  
Why do they both have such fat hands?
 
2012-02-02 12:06:53 AM  

Make More Hinjews: I'd totally hit the one on the right first.

/ I know, I know... sharp knees and all that


fark yeah, she looks... saucy.
 
2012-02-02 12:07:25 AM  
The reason it wasn't discovered earlier is because the background was different. Read the article.
 
2012-02-02 12:08:22 AM  

Grables'Daughter: MuonNeutrino: Grables'Daughter: FriarReb98: Sis-terrr.... So...you have a twin sis-ter....

Your feelings have now betrayed her, too.

Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me.

You are unwise to lower your defenses!


Bfett20: Grables'Daughter: MuonNeutrino: Grables'Daughter: FriarReb98: Sis-terrr.... So...you have a twin sis-ter....

Your feelings have now betrayed her, too.

Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me.
If you are not to turn to the DARK SIDE than perhaps she WILL.


You two are quoting things out of order. =P

The next line *should* be:

Now his failure is complete.

*Then* you can taunt Luke about trying to turn Leia to the dark side. ^^
 
2012-02-02 12:10:12 AM  

Bfett20: Grables'Daughter: MuonNeutrino: Grables'Daughter: FriarReb98: Sis-terrr.... So...you have a twin sis-ter....

Your feelings have now betrayed her, too.

Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me.
If you are not to turn to the DARK SIDE than perhaps she WILL.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2012-02-02 12:10:30 AM  
Craptastic: Monthly edema? She looks like she was PMSing big-time!
 
2012-02-02 12:11:33 AM  
I need to have a buddy of mine take a look at it before I can make an offer. He knows everything there is to know about Mona Lisa paintings.
 
2012-02-02 12:13:03 AM  

Ambivalence: Is it odd that I like the painting by the apprentice better than the painting by the master?


Nope. Mona Lisa's twin does look younger...
 
2012-02-02 12:13:54 AM  
A friend has a side view of the Mona Lisa that was done by one of Leonardo's students. I wonder if that painting is also a copy.
 
2012-02-02 12:14:18 AM  
Sorta like all the "Postman" paintings by Van Gogh. Saw one in Melbourne Australia and another, almost identical, at the Kimbell in Ft. Worth, Texas within a month. Shait that thing gets around I thought then found out there are like twenty + versions of the postman, similar mostly but not the same and all over the place (world).
 
2012-02-02 12:17:44 AM  
It's a man, baby!
 
2012-02-02 12:19:34 AM  

Canton: Ambivalence: Is it odd that I like the painting by the apprentice better than the painting by the master?

Nope. Mona Lisa's twin does look younger...


The "original" is covered with a layer of old varnish which makes it look like crap. This one has been cleaned up.
 
2012-02-02 12:21:05 AM  
her neck looks even more freakishly long than the original, I've never liked the painting because of that, and some issues with her face.

As a matter of fact I think some of the other ninja turtles were better artists but I've found if I mention that to other art lovers I get screamed at. If I don't say the Mona Lisa is the best painting ever then I just don't understand art.

It's almost as bad as telling a farker that I like the original Battlestar Galactica was better that the new one.
 
2012-02-02 12:21:05 AM  
What? That's so awesome.
 
2012-02-02 12:23:22 AM  

Gonad the Ballbarian: "Experts" just now realized it was a Mona Lisa copy?


I was thinking the same thing. TFA says the copy has been on display. Its not as though it was just forgotten in the basement somewhere and just now was rediscovered.
 
2012-02-02 12:24:29 AM  

Ambivalence: Is it odd that I like the painting by the apprentice better than the painting by the master?


No, the copy has eyebrows, better color harmonies and contrast, and actual human facial proportions. You should definitely like it better.

Also, if those are accurate representations of what both artists saw, Mona had some serious man hands.

/Two wenches, one chalice... awesome, new keyboard, etc.
 
2012-02-02 12:27:33 AM  
For some reason, it reminded me a bit of Angelica Huston.
 
2012-02-02 12:32:42 AM  
I always preferred Fernando Botero's version

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-02-02 12:32:52 AM  

FROGSTOMPER:

It's almost as bad as telling a farker that I like the original Battlestar Galactica was better that the new one.


Haters gonna hate.

/Fine line between "realistic" and "I'll just die now, kthxbye"
 
2012-02-02 12:33:03 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Spain is also known for their delicious ham.

 
2012-02-02 12:35:14 AM  
FTFA: The copy had been on display at the Madrid art museum for years without experts being aware of its importance.

Experts are stupid.
 
2012-02-02 12:36:13 AM  

Canton: Ambivalence: Is it odd that I like the painting by the apprentice better than the painting by the master?

Nope. Mona Lisa's twin does look younger...


I'ts not just the colors. I like the facial dimensions of the copy better. it looks more authentic.
 
2012-02-02 12:36:42 AM  
Ok, someone explain to me what the fark is it with women wanting their picture taken standing in front of the painting with the mona lisa in the background?

Is it some crazy woman thing that I have missed or is it just women wanting to stand in front of the most famous female painting?
 
2012-02-02 12:37:36 AM  

AaronB1138: Ambivalence: Is it odd that I like the painting by the apprentice better than the painting by the master?

No, the copy has eyebrows, better color harmonies and contrast, and actual human facial proportions. You should definitely like it better.

Also, if those are accurate representations of what both artists saw, Mona had some serious man hands.

/Two wenches, one chalice... awesome, new keyboard, etc.


That's because she was a man, baby! The master himself (depending on who you want to side with).
 
2012-02-02 12:48:38 AM  
Giggity?
 
2012-02-02 12:51:07 AM  

D-Liver: I always preferred Fernando Botero's version

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 389x445]


Yukkuri shiateitte ne!
 
2012-02-02 01:03:04 AM  
i229.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-02 01:10:02 AM  
ecx.images-amazon.com

You people are slipping!
 
2012-02-02 01:10:11 AM  
Was it this one?
www.marcelduchamp.net
 
2012-02-02 01:13:52 AM  
If one would RTFA one would find that the copy had the same changes made as Leo the made on the original. This could only have happened if the copy was being made at the same time. That was what was new information.
 
2012-02-02 01:18:59 AM  
www.recordsale.de

-But she doesn't smile...
 
2012-02-02 01:22:17 AM  
What happened to the hidden animals?! Obviously the apprentice wasn't paying attention.

Tisk-tisk.
 
2012-02-02 01:22:30 AM  

Whistler36: If one would RTFA one would find that the copy had the same changes made as Leo the made on the original. This could only have happened if the copy was being made at the same time. That was what was new information.


Also the background was covered over with black paint, they didn't even know it had a background until they removed it.
 
2012-02-02 01:24:27 AM  
i'm glad i'm not the only one who likes the 2nd one better.
 
2012-02-02 01:25:27 AM  

Hand Banana: Also the background was covered over with black paint, they didn't even know it had a background until they removed it.


The difference. It's like night and day.
 
2012-02-02 01:35:31 AM  

Hand Banana: Whistler36: If one would RTFA one would find that the copy had the same changes made as Leo the made on the original. This could only have happened if the copy was being made at the same time. That was what was new information.

Also the background was covered over with black paint, they didn't even know it had a background until they removed it.


Wait, NOBODY noticed that the one in the spanish museum is almost EXACTLY the same as the Mona Lisa (save the background)? There were no art experts that looked at it and said "Hmmm... That face looks familiar, and the clothes and the pose and the position of the hands. Where have I seen this before? Perhaps the most famous painting in the world?"

I find that truly hard to believe.
 
2012-02-02 01:41:47 AM  
Yeah, her name was Lori. Too $hort rapped about them on Freaky Tales
 
2012-02-02 01:48:03 AM  

Grables'Daughter: Bfett20: Grables'Daughter: MuonNeutrino: Grables'Daughter: FriarReb98: Sis-terrr.... So...you have a twin sis-ter....

Your feelings have now betrayed her, too.

Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me.
If you are not to turn to the DARK SIDE than perhaps she WILL.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

"So be it... Jedi."
 
2012-02-02 01:57:15 AM  

Ambivalence: Is it odd that I like the painting by the apprentice better than the painting by the master?


I agree. I guess part of it is that it is preserved better, so there is more detail. Some of it may be the generally lighter tone and thinner face on the girl. Guess it really isn't surprising that a good artist copying another might actually improve it.
 
2012-02-02 01:58:05 AM  

wax_on: Hand Banana: Whistler36: If one would RTFA one would find that the copy had the same changes made as Leo the made on the original. This could only have happened if the copy was being made at the same time. That was what was new information.

Also the background was covered over with black paint, they didn't even know it had a background until they removed it.

Wait, NOBODY noticed that the one in the spanish museum is almost EXACTLY the same as the Mona Lisa (save the background)? There were no art experts that looked at it and said "Hmmm... That face looks familiar, and the clothes and the pose and the position of the hands. Where have I seen this before? Perhaps the most famous painting in the world?"

I find that truly hard to believe.


They obviously knew it was a copy of the Mona Lisa, there are countless copies and most are uninteresting. It's that this particular painting was made side by side at the same time as the original in Leonardo's studio that they didn't realize.
 
2012-02-02 02:24:42 AM  
I really don't get the appeal of the painting.
 
2012-02-02 02:48:16 AM  
Kind of strange that the student's version is better preserved than the original...
 
2012-02-02 03:39:30 AM  
From the article draft: the investigator, one of the Spanish Romero hermanos, recently noticed a micraculous mirror image of himself when he passed by a mirror. To celebrate, he used a coupon for "First Time Visitor" to the Prado.

i128.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-02 04:11:52 AM  
Came for the Doctor, leaving happy.
 
2012-02-02 04:33:09 AM  

AbiSnail: Kind of strange that the student's version is better preserved than the original...


The apprentice's painting never spent time hanging over the king of France's bathtub or being in other such locations that are rather hard on paint, especially when it's on a wood panel as opposed to canvas.
 
2012-02-02 05:10:43 AM  
The Mona Lisa was proven by computer analysis to be Leonardo Da Vinci drawing himself as a woman. Not surprising considering that he was a total poofter. A flaming, fabulous poofter. Cool as all heck. Smart as heck too. And in Florence in those days, there wasn't anything un-Christian about being a poofter.

The modern ideas about marriage and gays is just that, MODERN.

Modern "family values" as Christians profess 'were taught by Jesus himself' didn't actually exist as a societal norm until the founding of the USA, when the Puritans came here. Such ideas were not common in Europe.

And what Judaism taught (which is what Jesus was, a JEW) is quite different.

Modern 'family values' don't come from Christ. They come from Puritanism and all its offshoots.
 
2012-02-02 07:19:50 AM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: I need to have a buddy of mine take a look at it before I can make an offer. He knows everything there is to know about Mona Lisa paintings.


that's the great thing about eBay. if you don't win it this time, someone will probably be listing another one at half price in less than a month. win-win. care to see my Botticelli? i used Buy it Now, $5.00!
 
2012-02-02 07:39:43 AM  
Ooh it has eyebrows.
 
2012-02-02 08:39:05 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: TFA says the copy has been on display. Its not as though it was just forgotten in the basement somewhere and just now was rediscovered.


"But the plans were on display ..."

"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."

"That's the display department."

"With a torch."

"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."

"So had the stairs."

"But look, you found the notice didn't you?"

"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard."
 
2012-02-02 08:40:30 AM  
She looks promiscuous.
 
2012-02-02 08:49:43 AM  
i610.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-02 08:49:51 AM  
Grona?
 
2012-02-02 09:04:52 AM  
i32.photobucket.com

Guess which one is evil.
 
2012-02-02 09:31:24 AM  
Looks like it WAS done at the same time. It would be hard to do the background with some of those changes being so subtle. Some of the background changes are large, but some would seem to be a copy actually shows the second painting was made with the painter standing ever so slightly to the left of the original painter. Check the S shaped path on her one shoulder. A different amount of curve is shown on both curves, and if you're going to copy, you wouldn't make both those changes if you set out to copy the original. I could be wrong, as that's on first glance at both without overlaying them.
 
2012-02-02 10:59:12 AM  

AlteredChemical: It would be like Minnesota looking at a mountain and seeing a perfect copy of Mt. Rushmore


Oh, that thing? Doesn't every state have one of those?
 
2012-02-02 12:28:46 PM  

AbiSnail: Kind of strange that the student's version is better preserved than the original...


I don't know how many times the copy was moved/stolen/displayed. Leo's version has been nearly continuously on display except for the months it was stolen and being stored under a man's bed!
To be the version lusted after by uber-powerful despots over the last 500+ years is going to dink it up a bit.
A copy by a no-name - even at the feet of the artist is just not the same.

Imagine the difference between original recordings of Elvis or Carl Perkins from Sun and contemporaneous versions by session musicians. One gets used and copied and abused, while the other languishes and remains in pristine(ish) condition.
 
2012-02-02 05:13:33 PM  

Yugoboy: magine the difference between original recordings of Elvis or Carl Perkins from Sun and contemporaneous versions by session musicians. One gets used and copied and abused, while the other languishes and remains in pristine(ish) condition.


I agree with you but I feel compelled to add that sometimes - the original just disappears or end up destroyed because it wasn't considered important. The current copyright laws are contributing to this problem.

Some shows, movies and films that are not re-manufactured for any additional profits end up being destroyed due to the short life of the original materials or considered unprofitable. A poster on Fark mentioned this problem in more detail in one of the previous copyright threads and that point struck home for me. you see, I wanted to understand more of the culture in the 60's and 70's and I couldn't study much except for the magazines and the top movies and TV shows that are redistributed. We are suffering from a darkness of our earlier pop cultures.

For example, how many people do you think actually knows that pamela anderson's look are based on Bridgitte Bardot? And she was a top 60's icon!

Here, Compare:
upload.wikimedia.org

www.espritlibre.ws
 
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