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2012-02-01 03:19:36 PM
This journalist is obviously an idiot, but this is a bit excessive
 
2012-02-01 03:23:09 PM
www.rantrave.com

Of course the party that chants "Drill baby, drill!" and wants to gut the EPA does not want the Gasland guy there.
 
2012-02-01 03:24:37 PM
not a proud day for the US government.
 
2012-02-01 03:24:58 PM

cman: This journalist is obviously an idiot, but this is a bit excessive


Reading through the article it appears that reporter wasn't doing anything wrong, the GOP was purposefully picking a fight. His crew was credentialed, he had a pass to be there, the problem that the GOP members of the committee had was that they did not want to be able to be filmed verbally fellating the Natural Gas industry.
 
2012-02-01 03:27:34 PM

cman: This journalist is obviously an idiot


Really? How is he an idiot, exactly?
 
2012-02-01 03:36:27 PM
This is just like O'Keefe.
 
2012-02-01 03:36:38 PM

cman: This journalist is obviously an idiot, but this is a bit excessive


You know how I know you know nothing about the effects of fracking?
 
2012-02-01 03:36:39 PM
Remember how the GOP said when they got in office things would not be negotiated "behind closed doors".

So far they have demanded almost everything to be behind closed doors and attacked Democrats when they have gone to the press to discuss negotiations.
 
2012-02-01 03:36:51 PM
Well, it's not like he was an Oscar winning journalist at least.
 
2012-02-01 03:37:24 PM
Fracking Republicans...
 
2012-02-01 03:37:25 PM

Code_Archeologist: cman: This journalist is obviously an idiot, but this is a bit excessive

Reading through the article it appears that reporter wasn't doing anything wrong, the GOP was purposefully picking a fight. His crew was credentialed, he had a pass to be there, the problem that the GOP members of the committee had was that they did not want to be able to be filmed verbally fellating the Natural Gas industry.


what article did you read?
 
2012-02-01 03:37:40 PM

DrRatchet: cman: This journalist is obviously an idiot

Really? How is he an idiot, exactly?


Has he traded in all morality for a lucrative contract at Fox yet? Obey the money god!
 
2012-02-01 03:38:03 PM
FTFA: UPDATE: 2:27 p.m. -- Fox apparently had applied for credentialing the day before the hearing but had been unable to obtain official permission to film. He had asked a credentialed film crew to tape the proceedings on his behalf but was informed that this was not permitted.


So he didn't get credentials and entered the building anyway, breaking the law. ZOMG!1 !ST AMANDUNT!
 
2012-02-01 03:38:56 PM

yert: Code_Archeologist: cman: This journalist is obviously an idiot, but this is a bit excessive

Reading through the article it appears that reporter wasn't doing anything wrong, the GOP was purposefully picking a fight. His crew was credentialed, he had a pass to be there, the problem that the GOP members of the committee had was that they did not want to be able to be filmed verbally fellating the Natural Gas industry.

what article did you read?


"Fox did not have formal Capitol Hill credentials"
 
2012-02-01 03:40:21 PM

RolandGunner: FTFA: UPDATE: 2:27 p.m. -- Fox apparently had applied for credentialing the day before the hearing but had been unable to obtain official permission to film. He had asked a credentialed film crew to tape the proceedings on his behalf but was informed that this was not permitted.


So he didn't get credentials and entered the building anyway, breaking the law. ZOMG!1 !ST AMANDUNT!



You know how I know you don't understand the point of needing the permissions?
 
2012-02-01 03:40:28 PM

RolandGunner: FTFA: UPDATE: 2:27 p.m. -- Fox apparently had applied for credentialing the day before the hearing but had been unable to obtain official permission to film. He had asked a credentialed film crew to tape the proceedings on his behalf but was informed that this was not permitted.


So he didn't get credentials and entered the building anyway, breaking the law. ZOMG!1 !ST AMANDUNT!


so they would not let the credentialed people film it either. So yeah it's his fault.

/rolls eyes
 
2012-02-01 03:41:11 PM

yert: "Fox did not have formal Capitol Hill credentials"


That is some selective reading.
 
2012-02-01 03:41:12 PM

Code_Archeologist: the problem that the GOP members of the committee had was that they did not want to be able to be filmed verbally fellating the Natural Gas industry.


CSPAN was filming it.
 
2012-02-01 03:41:17 PM
Clearly a terrorist threat to the country.
 
2012-02-01 03:41:55 PM

RolandGunner: FTFA: UPDATE: 2:27 p.m. -- Fox apparently had applied for credentialing the day before the hearing but had been unable to obtain official permission to film. He had asked a credentialed film crew to tape the proceedings on his behalf but was informed that this was not permitted.


So he didn't get credentials and entered the building anyway, breaking the law. ZOMG!1 !ST AMANDUNT!


It's not a law that he has to have credentials, it's a House rule. They are not the same thing.
 
2012-02-01 03:42:17 PM

Code_Archeologist: His crew was credentialed, he had a pass to be there


no they did not. at least what I wrote was actually in the article
 
2012-02-01 03:42:51 PM
It's all falling apart around you, GOP.
 
2012-02-01 03:42:56 PM
Temporary passes are easy to obtain, and if Republicans had objected on procedural grounds, they could have simply sent the the crew to the front desk, rather than ordering police to arrest journalists.

Farking Nazis. Fark you, GOP. I hope your kids drink tainted groundwater and grow 3 eyes and 4 arms.
 
2012-02-01 03:43:29 PM

RolandGunner: FTFA: UPDATE: 2:27 p.m. -- Fox apparently had applied for credentialing the day before the hearing but had been unable to obtain official permission to film. He had asked a credentialed film crew to tape the proceedings on his behalf but was informed that this was not permitted.


So he didn't get credentials and entered the building anyway, breaking the law. ZOMG!1 !ST AMANDUNT!


You are correct in saying he was technically breaking the law. However, the article paints the picture that it's common practice to let press do exactly what he was doing and that if anyone had a problem with him they could have settled it in a less forceful way. So, yes he did break the law, though the discussion here shouldn't be about that, it should be why republicans reacted so strongly and differently from normal procedure.
 
2012-02-01 03:44:58 PM

Soup4Bonnie: yert: "Fox did not have formal Capitol Hill credentials"

That is some selective reading.


I was countering what the op said about his crew being credentialed. they were not. that is the fact. sorry it got up your nose.

/I also don't think it should have mattered. he should have been allowed to stay.
 
2012-02-01 03:45:49 PM
These politicians need a healthy dose of pitchforks, tar and feathers.
 
2012-02-01 03:46:11 PM
How dare that commie socialist attempt to report the workings of government to the public!

/GOP, just put on the swastika armbands already. You're not fooling anybody.
 
2012-02-01 03:46:16 PM

Jake Havechek: Temporary passes are easy to obtain, and if Republicans had objected on procedural grounds, they could have simply sent the the crew to the front desk, rather than ordering police to arrest journalists.

Farking Nazis. Fark you, GOP. I hope your kids drink tainted groundwater and grow 3 eyes and 4 arms.


but then they'd see things 1/3 better than everyone else & have double our carrying capacity, and they'd use these against us too.
 
2012-02-01 03:47:22 PM
My guess is they had their monied lobby friends and industry leaders in the room and wanted to make them happy.
 
2012-02-01 03:48:09 PM

Klippoklondike: You are correct in saying he was technically breaking the law. However, the article paints the picture that it's common practice to let press do exactly what he was doing and that if anyone had a problem with him they could have settled it in a less forceful way. So, yes he did break the law, though the discussion here shouldn't be about that, it should be why republicans reacted so strongly and differently from normal procedure.


i'm not even sure he really broke any laws. the credential process is a house procedure that they use as a way to keep the larger hearings from getting swamped with camera's. They decided here that not getting said credential means its some sort of trespass (and thus a crime) but that seems ridiculous. worse case scenario for something like this (since citizens should be allowed to view hearings if there is room for them in the hearing room) would be to have the camera taken away. certainly not arresting them.

in any case, it violates in every aspect the spirit of american government and the GOP should be ashamed of themselves for doing this
 
2012-02-01 03:49:42 PM
He may have been trying to film it himself, then refused to stop filming after the committee members asked him to stop.

It's not clear yet if that's what happened, but it's a possibility.

Due to the terrible writing of the reporters, it's tough to figure out what happened.
 
2012-02-01 03:49:47 PM
Whenever you think he did something wrong or not, watch Gasland. It's seriously scary but true.
 
2012-02-01 03:50:03 PM
So what do these people have to hide I wonder.
 
2012-02-01 03:50:41 PM

Code_Archeologist: cman: This journalist is obviously an idiot, but this is a bit excessive

Reading through the article it appears that reporter wasn't doing anything wrong, the GOP was purposefully picking a fight. His crew was credentialed, he had a pass to be there, the problem that the GOP members of the committee had was that they did not want to be able to be filmed verbally fellating the Natural Gas industry.


The worst thing about this whole episode is that C-SPAN was already taping the entire proceedings; all he wanted was to use his own cameras to get a better quality recording of the meeting.
 
2012-02-01 03:51:16 PM
Brilliant tactic for attracting lots of cameras to the next meeting.
 
2012-02-01 03:51:31 PM

roddack: Code_Archeologist: the problem that the GOP members of the committee had was that they did not want to be able to be filmed verbally fellating the Natural Gas industry.

CSPAN was filming it.


funny I don't see it on their site anywhere. got a link?
 
2012-02-01 03:52:01 PM

RolandGunner: So he didn't get credentials and entered the building anyway, breaking the law. ZOMG!1 !ST AMANDUNT!


FTFA: A separate ABC News crew, which did have official Capitol Hill credentials, was also denied access to the public hearing.
 
2012-02-01 03:52:28 PM

RolandGunner: FTFA: UPDATE: 2:27 p.m. -- Fox apparently had applied for credentialing the day before the hearing but had been unable to obtain official permission to film. He had asked a credentialed film crew to tape the proceedings on his behalf but was informed that this was not permitted.

So he didn't get credentials and entered the building anyway, breaking the law. ZOMG!1 !ST AMANDUNT!


From the paragraph immediately below what you quoted FTFA: "Nevertheless, turning away journalists is extremely rare on Capitol Hill. The rules requiring pre-approval for film crews are designed to prevent hearings from being disrupted by hordes of camera operators. That was not the case for this hearing. Only two cameras requested entrance to the event, which was not crowded."

Come on, man. It's like you're not even trying to troll well anymore.
 
2012-02-01 03:52:45 PM
In before the "he shouldn't have been breaking the law" crowd
 
2012-02-01 03:52:58 PM

Serious Black: The worst thing about this whole episode is that C-SPAN was already taping the entire proceedings; all he wanted was to use his own cameras to get a better quality recording of the meeting.


also curious- what happened to the ABC crew? they said ABC went in there and also tried to film it without credentials. Did those guys get arrested? if they didn't, why not?
 
2012-02-01 03:53:51 PM

yert: RolandGunner: FTFA: UPDATE: 2:27 p.m. -- Fox apparently had applied for credentialing the day before the hearing but had been unable to obtain official permission to film. He had asked a credentialed film crew to tape the proceedings on his behalf but was informed that this was not permitted.


So he didn't get credentials and entered the building anyway, breaking the law. ZOMG!1 !ST AMANDUNT!

so they would not let the credentialed people film it either. So yeah it's his fault.

/rolls eyes




Because it's against the rules? Yeah, I read that in the article too. But it's also besides the point because he was arrested because he entered the premises illegally which has nothing to do with whether or not the credentialed videographer was allowed in.
 
2012-02-01 03:54:02 PM

tlchwi02: Klippoklondike: You are correct in saying he was technically breaking the law. However, the article paints the picture that it's common practice to let press do exactly what he was doing and that if anyone had a problem with him they could have settled it in a less forceful way. So, yes he did break the law, though the discussion here shouldn't be about that, it should be why republicans reacted so strongly and differently from normal procedure.

i'm not even sure he really broke any laws. the credential process is a house procedure that they use as a way to keep the larger hearings from getting swamped with camera's. They decided here that not getting said credential means its some sort of trespass (and thus a crime) but that seems ridiculous. worse case scenario for something like this (since citizens should be allowed to view hearings if there is room for them in the hearing room) would be to have the camera taken away. certainly not arresting them.

in any case, it violates in every aspect the spirit of american government and the GOP should be ashamed of themselves for doing this


Ok, good point. I admit I don't know much about these situations. What I would like is to here a genuine explanation from those in charge of why arrest was necessary.
 
2012-02-01 03:54:09 PM
ABC News crew, which did have official Capitol Hill credentials, was also denied access to the public hearing.


Hmmmmm......
 
2012-02-01 03:54:18 PM

DrRatchet: cman: This journalist is obviously an idiot

Really? How is he an idiot, exactly?


He may not be an idiot but he is a liar. (new window).....but hey, there's poor people to exploit!

Fark the truth.
 
2012-02-01 03:54:27 PM

Klippoklondike: RolandGunner: FTFA: UPDATE: 2:27 p.m. -- Fox apparently had applied for credentialing the day before the hearing but had been unable to obtain official permission to film. He had asked a credentialed film crew to tape the proceedings on his behalf but was informed that this was not permitted.


So he didn't get credentials and entered the building anyway, breaking the law. ZOMG!1 !ST AMANDUNT!

You are correct in saying he was technically breaking the law. However, the article paints the picture that it's common practice to let press do exactly what he was doing and that if anyone had a problem with him they could have settled it in a less forceful way. So, yes he did break the law, though the discussion here shouldn't be about that, it should be why republicans reacted so strongly and differently from normal procedure.


You forgot some things:

FTFA: Subcommittee Chairman Andy Harris (R-Md.) was unavailable for comment, but several Democrats on the committee voiced outrage with the GOP's press blackout.

"I was chair of the Subcommittee for four years, and we frequently had people show up the day of a hearing to film," Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.) told HuffPost. "We asked for their name, but they were told if they would not disrupt the hearing, they were free to record. A couple of times staff said, 'You're getting in the way, don't stand there,' but other than that, I do not ever recall anything like this. We certainly never turned anyone away for not providing 24 hours' notice."

"It's an outrageous violation of the First Amendment," Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) told HuffPost. "Here we've got an Academy Award-nominated filmmaker, and it's an important subject and the subject that he did his prior film on for HBO. And they put him in handcuffs and hauled him out of there. This is stunning."

"I found it ironic that there was not a flood of cameras there," noted Rep. Paul Tonko (D-N.Y.). "There was the one camera and then before that, the ABC camera ... if you have a camera there to bring the issue home to the public, that's a good thing."

The hearing was already being filmed by C-SPAN. Josh Fox had only sought to obtain higher-quality video by bringing their own cameras to the event. Democrats attempted to suspend the rules governing camerawork to allow Fox and ABC to film the hearing, but Republicans, who hold a majority on all House committees and subcommittees, voted down the motion. Democrats then sought to postpone the hearing to allow for filming at a later date, a motion which Republicans also overruled.
 
2012-02-01 03:54:34 PM

BooBoo23: Brilliant tactic for attracting lots of cameras to the next meeting.


It will also make awesome footage for this next guy's documentary.
 
2012-02-01 03:54:43 PM

Jake Havechek: Temporary passes are easy to obtain, and if Republicans had objected on procedural grounds, they could have simply sent the the crew to the front desk, rather than ordering police to arrest journalists.

Farking Nazis. Fark you, GOP. I hope your kids drink tainted groundwater and grow 3 eyes and 4 arms.




That's right! One more eye to look at the American flag with, and two more arms to carry guns. America! fark ya!
 
2012-02-01 03:54:44 PM

BooBoo23: Brilliant tactic for attracting lots of cameras to the next meeting.


Assuming they get credentialed.
 
2012-02-01 03:55:55 PM
cman is obviously an idiot, but this comment is a bit excessive.
 
2012-02-01 03:56:32 PM
People tend to get angry when you record them doing something they know is wrong.
 
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