b..b..b..b..but..tebow!

Well, since Tebow is the only QB on the roster under contract for next year, I'd say this isn't much of a surprise. I still think based on his efforts this year that Tebow should go in as the starter. A full off-season of work with the coaches is what he needs. If after that his play is hardly different than it was this year, then it's time to move on.

With only one QB still on the roster, who just happens to be named Tebow, they have to be in the market for one.

/sneaky thought that they go after Matt Flynn

BKITU: Amazing how the mob turned on him. He's getting crucified in the press. Elway should just wash his hands of him.

*golf clap*.

Barabbas sees what you did there.

balfourk: /sneaky thought that they go after Matt Flynn

Not with at least two teams offering him starter money.

tnpir: A full off-season of work with the coaches is what he needs. If after that his play is hardly different than it was this year, then it's time to move on.

Since he first started in college he has been told to work on his throwing motion, yet he either hasn't, or he has and it hasn't improved very much. At what point do the Tebowites admit that this guy isn't a hard worker or his throwing problems can not be fixed? My guess is never.

PainInTheASP: You know the old line about how no player should lose their roster spot because of an injury? Reading between the lines, I'd say that next year Tebow will be benched because of a bad sunburn.

Nah, it'll read: QB T. Tebow - Questionable (Stigmata)

With the offense the Broncos run, wouldn't RGIII be a better fit?

Discuss.

Emrick: At what point do the Tebowites admit that this guy isn't a hard worker or his throwing problems can not be fixed? My guess is never.

I've heard from various people that past high school, the best you can do is "tweak" a throwing motion, as completely overhauling all the muscle memory built up after hundreds of thousands of throws in a certain manner is borderline impossible.

QBs that would be an improvement on their current roster. (new window)

Killer Cars: Emrick: At what point do the Tebowites admit that this guy isn't a hard worker or his throwing problems can not be fixed? My guess is never.

I've heard from various people that past high school, the best you can do is "tweak" a throwing motion, as completely overhauling all the muscle memory built up after hundreds of thousands of throws in a certain manner is borderline impossible.

It's possible, but usually has poorer returns. Tiger Woods has gone through at least one complete overhaul of his swing mechanics. Pitchers have also done this as well when they have issues with their shoulder or elbow. Quarterbacks actually have one of the easier throwing motions. Tebow's problem isn't all motion, either, he could greatly improve his results just by getting rid of the ridiculous windup he has.

Oops, meant to add in my original post:

...but I don't see how pitchers can, even once reaching the majors and their physical peak, are able in several cases to completely revamp their entire pitching delivery, yet asking a Philip Rivers to make his throwing motion less "weird" is sacrilege.

Treygreen13: Emrick: Since he first started in college he has been told to work on his throwing motion, yet he either hasn't, or he has and it hasn't improved very much.

As much as I mock Tebow, he *has* worked on it. And it has improved, somewhat. But it's still not very good.

That ESPN doc about him shows him working on it, and the improvement.

While this is a total non-story.

I'm curious what he has improved at. He's really had 2 "good" games throwing the ball, and one of those only counts as "good" because his running offset the throwing.

Killer Cars: Oops, meant to add in my original post:

...but I don't see how pitchers can, even once reaching the majors and their physical peak, are able in several cases to completely revamp their entire pitching delivery, yet asking a Philip Rivers to make his throwing motion less "weird" is sacrilege.

Changing pitcher's motions has ruined more good young pitchers than it has helped.

SharkTrager: Changing pitcher's motions has ruined more good young pitchers than it has helped.

True, but I'm curious as to why in baseball, there's such a willingness for coaches to take a motion that pitcher A has been using his whole life and dick with it (and a pitching motion is more violent and demanding than throwing a football).

So is Fark deliberately ignoring all the Superb Owl hype?

Interesting.

ZMugg: With the offense the Broncos run, wouldn't RGIII be a better fit?

Discuss.

RGIII isn't making it past the Redskins in the draft, so it doesn't really matter if he would fit into the Broncos' scheme or not.

Killer Cars: SharkTrager: Changing pitcher's motions has ruined more good young pitchers than it has helped.

True, but I'm curious as to why in baseball, there's such a willingness for coaches to take a motion that pitcher A has been using his whole life and dick with it (and a pitching motion is more violent and demanding than throwing a football).

Mostly because you have a developmental league to do it in. You don't see many major level pitchers changing their motion unless there is an injury involved, but when they can stick you in the minors for 3 or 4 years and have you pitch in the Fall leagues to boot they can accept a cheap project player. The NFL has no developmental league. You can't change fundamentals unless you do it on the fly.

degenerate-afro: ZMugg: With the offense the Broncos run, wouldn't RGIII be a better fit?

Discuss.

RGIII isn't making it past the Redskins in the draft, so it doesn't really matter if he would fit into the Broncos' scheme or not.

I hope not. Anything that makes Snyder look competent will delay the torch & pitchfork brigade (long overdue IMHO).

I'm hoping Snyder will offer Bart Farva a 10 mil a year contract so management can justify putting him in a huggy jacket in a room with soft walls.

Snyder MUST GO.

RalphW: So is Fark deliberately ignoring all the Superb Owl hype?

Interesting.

Madonna fan?

ZMugg: I'm hoping Snyder will offer Bart Farva a 10 mil a year contract so management can justify putting him in a huggy jacket in a room with soft walls.

Snyder MUST GO.

You know, it's an interesting debate: who has, overall, been the bigger detriment to his franchise - Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones?

Discuss.

tnpir: Well, since Tebow is the only QB person who completed a pass on the roster under contract for next year, I'd say this isn't much of a surprise. I still think based on his efforts this year that Tebow should go in as the starter. A full off-season of work with the coaches is what he needs. If after that his play is hardly different than it was this year, then it's time to move on.

Tebow's throwing motion has been worked on, it just so happens he regresses during games. Link (new window) Sports Science did an entire segment on it.

Oh, I wasn't complaining.

Just that Fark usually like running with stories surrounded by lots of hype, like say, I dunno, Tim Tebow.

Treygreen13: Current state of the Dallas Cowboys: Underperforming

Is it just my perception or is Jerry Jones more meddlesome than he used to be? I think it's awfully hard to win in the NFL anymore when the coach is afraid of or trying to placate the owner.

Lots of QBs available

Jason Campbell
Alex Smith
Peyton Manning
Donovan McNabb
Brady Quinn
Whoever Arizona cuts this time
Whoever Miami cuts this time

redmid17: tnpir: Well, since Tebow is the only QB person who completed a pass on the roster under contract for next year, I'd say this isn't much of a surprise. I still think based on his efforts this year that Tebow should go in as the starter. A full off-season of work with the coaches is what he needs. If after that his play is hardly different than it was this year, then it's time to move on.

Tebow's throwing motion has been worked on, it just so happens he regresses during games. Link (new window) Sports Science did an entire segment on it.

Did you catch the Patriots/Broncos regular season game when they compared the throwing motion of Brady and Tebow side by side? Of course, it was from the warm ups so Tebow looked competent, once the game started they stopped showing it. Also Tebows mechanics aren't the only thing that are going to cut his career short. He has no sense of self-preservation when running with the ball, he just ducks his head and keeps going. That's easy when only 1 out of every 5 defensive linemen are bigger than you(like in say high school or college), it's suicide when 1 out of every 5 is smaller than you.

netweavr: Lots of QBs available

Jason Campbell
Alex Smith
Peyton Manning
Donovan McNabb
Brady Quinn
Whoever Arizona cuts this time
Whoever Miami cuts this time

I believe that Orton is a FA as well. His contract was extended through this season and KC picked it up when he was waived.

Flappyhead: redmid17: tnpir: Well, since Tebow is the only QB person who completed a pass on the roster under contract for next year, I'd say this isn't much of a surprise. I still think based on his efforts this year that Tebow should go in as the starter. A full off-season of work with the coaches is what he needs. If after that his play is hardly different than it was this year, then it's time to move on.

Tebow's throwing motion has been worked on, it just so happens he regresses during games. Link (new window) Sports Science did an entire segment on it.

Did you catch the Patriots/Broncos regular season game when they compared the throwing motion of Brady and Tebow side by side? Of course, it was from the warm ups so Tebow looked competent, once the game started they stopped showing it. Also Tebows mechanics aren't the only thing that are going to cut his career short. He has no sense of self-preservation when running with the ball, he just ducks his head and keeps going. That's easy when only 1 out of every 5 defensive linemen are bigger than you(like in say high school or college), it's suicide when 1 out of every 5 is smaller than you.

I don't think I caught that part of the game. In the breakdown I linked, they compare his pro day technique with his in game technique. His pro day technique looked great and professional, super quick and compact, but his in-game throw was the exact same as college. I think his release was .6 seconds compared to .3 or .4 for a normal NFL QB. I might be off on the last part though, I can't re-watch the video at work.

redmid17: netweavr: Lots of QBs available
I believe that Orton is a FA as well. His contract was extended through this season and KC picked it up when he was waived.

Fair enough:

Jason Campbell
Alex Smith
Peyton Manning
Donovan McNabb
Brady Quinn
Whoever Arizona cuts this time
Whoever Miami cuts this time
Whoever KC doesn't keep

Treygreen13: Dan Snyder winning seasons: 3
Jerry Jones winning seasons: 13

Dan Snyder rings: 0
Jerry Jones rings: 3

Current state of the Dallas Cowboys: Underperforming
Current state of the Washington Redskins: Dumpster Fire

You forget that all three of those rings came as a direct result of Jimmy Johnson. When Jerry suddenly decided he could be a better GM, the Cowboys went in the toilet and have stayed there ever since (how about taking that Quincy Carter in the second round??). And they aren't underperforming - this is as good as they are.

That said, Daniel Snyder has been an unmitigated disaster from day one. Both the Redskins and the Cowboys are doomed to mediocrity at best until their current owner joins Al Davis.

"That Greece should rise, triumphant o'er her foe
Disarm th' invaders, and their power o'erthrow ;
Her prayer obtained, the blue eved Goddess flies
As the fierce eagle, thro' the radiant skies." - Barrett Browning

I find this Tebow to be most pleasing. The way he hurls that oblong skin-of-a-boar might not inspire courage in a sportsman of the most casual persuasion, but the way he leads the charge like Lord Cardigan truly inspires my heart to achieve the loftiest of goals!

Why, just the other day I saw this Tim Tebow playing that game those damn Scots find so appealing, and I must admit that he looks to be built much like a very sturdy barn, or perhaps a cow-shed of some sort! I take my daily constitutional and do my calisthenics but I must admit that in spite of my rigorous training I cannot hope to achieve a level of dashing physical fitness comparable to the honorable Mr. Tebow. I have recently sent a letter off to a clothier in London to obtain one of those smashing outfits he wears, but I am yet to hear back from this clothier. I am greatly vexed by his silence, I hope to achieve a suit of clothes much like the kind Mr. Tebow wears, so I might sport it around town and show my appreciation to my friends at the public house!

IAmRight: tnpir: Both the Redskins and the Cowboys are doomed to mediocrity at best until their current owner joins Al Davis.

Weren't the Cowboys just 13-3 a couple of years ago?

People really need to get a grip on what mediocre is.

And got their ass handed to them in the first round of the playoffs.

IAmRight: tnpir: Both the Redskins and the Cowboys are doomed to mediocrity at best until their current owner joins Al Davis.

Weren't the Cowboys just 13-3 a couple of years ago?

People really need to get a grip on what mediocre is.

This. I'm no Cowboys fan but Tony Romo = underappreciated.

Pat Bowlen and the NFL want Tebow to succeed. He is a revenue sacred cow, at this point.

Treygreen13: tnpir: And got their ass handed to them in the first round of the playoffs.

Second round, actually. They had a bye because they were literally the best team in the NFC regular season.

2 years later they won a playoff game, beating a division rival (3) times, twice in a row, then lost against the Vikings when their starting LT went down early against one of the best pass rushing defenses I'd ever seen.

Okay, granted, but they've won one playoff game in 15 years. Since Snyder bought the Redskins in 1999, the Skins have won TWO playoff games.

Any more hair splitting we can do? ;-)

Emrick: At what point do the Tebowites admit that this guy isn't a hard worker or his throwing problems can not be fixed?

LOL you're a bigger dumbfark than most, that's funny.

BKITU: Amazing how the mob turned on him. He's getting crucified in the press. Elway should just wash his hands of him.

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