muck4doo: icebalm: muck4doo: icebalm: Albertan: intelligent comment below:
2 Chronicles 15:12-13

12 And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, 13 but that whoever would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

Yeah, if you're trying to equivocate Islamic theocracy with Christianity, you should maybe consider the whole New Testament/New Covenant bit when quote hunting.
Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of theology would chuckle at what you just tried to do.

Good verse to use if you're arguing with a Rabbi though.

/protip: try Matthew onward

O, you mean this Matthew?

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

He fulfilled previous prophecies? How horrible.

He's saying he's not here to abolish gods old laws, but to fulfill them. ie: old testament rules still apply.

Context and word definitions aren't your strong points, are they?

ful·fill
/fʊlˈfɪl/ Show Spelled[fool-fil] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to carry out, or bring to realization, as a prophecy or promise.
2.
to perform or do, as duty; obey or follow, as commands.
3.
to satisfy (requirements, obligations, etc.): a book that fulfills a long-felt need.
4.
to bring to an end; finish or complete, as a period of time: He felt that life was over when one had fulfilled his threescore years and ten.
5.
to develop the full potential of (usually used reflexively): She realized that she could never fulfill herself in such work.

Yeah, I guess context and word definitions sure aren't my strong point, I really should have read the whole sentence where he said he wasn't abolishing anything to pick the one and only definition of the word that means he would be abolishing stuff. Silly me.

idiot.

Flragnararch: what was the obvious tag killed by an IED?

intelligent comment below: atomicmask:
Yeah I do, lets do this...I can really think of only one actual religious christian theocracy in the world currently, the vatican, so go ahead and tell me when the Vatican has openly lied to us while taking our money and giving it to fund our enemies at the same time.

Your equivalency is a bit off and you are retarded.

No you're still pretty retarded.

I'm agnostic but have little respect for ahistorical ignorant fools who pick up their information solely from pamphleteering blogs.

Financing Nazi's and pedophiles

Like the neopagans? the atheists? the muslims? seems to me everyone had a share in the blame.

militant Christian regimes where the dictators murder citizens

So using that logic, atheists would be guilty for the excesses of officially atheist governments, like the Khmer Rouge killing fields, the Ukrainian Holodomor, the Cultural Revolution, etcetera.

Oh, if you could give me one recent example of "militant Christian regimes where the dictators murder citizens". The only thing I can come up with would be Francisco Franco's Spain, but that's debatable.

the Crusades,

Everyone's favorite pat answer. Unfortunately it's a red herring, as historically (new window) the crusades (new window) were simply (new window) a pushback (new window) against (new window) hundreds (new window) of years (new window) of Muslim invasions of Europe (new window).

the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan according to American Christians that's a war of their God against the Muslim God.

Citation needed, who said that? when did they say that? I'd say "good luck finding a real source", but I know you just made that shiat up.

If we go down the list of number of people killed in the name of A. Islam, B. Christianity, who do you think will win?

facepalm.jpg

Easy.
Tamerlane.
No question about it.
A man who made the mold Hitler, Mao, and Stalin came from. A devout Muslim and a genocidal maniac personally responsible for wiping out 4.5% (20 million people) of the earths population. He did better himself than all of WWII (1.7%-3.1%) percentage wise, and only 1-3 million died (0.3%- 2.3%) on both sides during the whole 200 years of the crusades.


So didn't my quote of the Bible just prove you wrong, that Christians are far worse about being trusted, since they should put any non believers to death? The Qaran just says don't make friends with them. Your book says to murder them. Checkmate, Christians.

Yeah, again see here (new window) and here (new window).
Maybe learn something before mangling your argument with irrelevant quotations.

Funny how this "retarded" person just ran circles around your anti-Semitic and xenophobic argument.

Yeah pretty funny.

intelligent comment below: 1. I am an atheist, better move back 2 spaces on your jump to conclusions mat

Sure you are, nobody so militant against Islam is an atheist.

Wanna Farking Bet?!?!?

Imaginary friend fight!!

icebalm: muck4doo: icebalm: muck4doo: icebalm: Albertan: intelligent comment below:
2 Chronicles 15:12-13

12 And they entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, 13 but that whoever would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

Yeah, if you're trying to equivocate Islamic theocracy with Christianity, you should maybe consider the whole New Testament/New Covenant bit when quote hunting.
Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of theology would chuckle at what you just tried to do.

Good verse to use if you're arguing with a Rabbi though.

/protip: try Matthew onward

O, you mean this Matthew?

Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

He fulfilled previous prophecies? How horrible.

He's saying he's not here to abolish gods old laws, but to fulfill them. ie: old testament rules still apply.

Context and word definitions aren't your strong points, are they?

ful·fill
/fʊlˈfɪl/ Show Spelled[fool-fil] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to carry out, or bring to realization, as a prophecy or promise.
2.
to perform or do, as duty; obey or follow, as commands.
3.
to satisfy (requirements, obligations, etc.): a book that fulfills a long-felt need.
4.
to bring to an end; finish or complete, as a period of time: He felt that life was over when one had fulfilled his threescore years and ten.
5.
to develop the full potential of (usually used reflexively): She realized that she could never fulfill herself in such work.

Yeah, I guess context and word definitions sure aren't my strong point, I really should have read the whole sentence where he said he wasn't abolishing anything to pick the one and only definition of the word that means he would be abolishing stuff. Silly me.

idiot.

No, try understanding what his purpose was. Not only prophecies, but the law. As pointed out up thread the laws were simple. The 10 commandments. Don't steal. Don't murder. Worship the one God who gave you deliverance. Don't desire your neighbors "stuff". Don't bear false witness. Take a day off for cripes sake! Honor your parents. Don't commit adultery.

Horrible rules, I know. Here's the thing, that wasn't enough for the people given them. They wanted to be more like their neighbors around them. They had real laws. Like dress codes, kings, eating habits and rituals to be observed, gardening observances, etc; They wanted to be more like them. No judges and God, a real king, for heavens sake. That's what they want. 10 rules are also too simple. They wanted to have complicated customs and rituals to follow as well, just like their neighbors. So God gave it to them to shut them up. So Jesus came along and said he came to not abolish, but to fulfill those laws and prophecies. In other words, people thought they had to keep up on the extraordinary laws(they requested) to keep their end of the bargain, but he was saying no, through what he is going to do he is going to fulfill that bargain for them. The laws were put into place for the Jews to keep their end of the bargain(at their request), and he was saying bargain fulfilled. They don't have to abstain from bacon anymore. However, the law isn't abolished for those who want to continue with it and go about their road according to the old covenant and testament. It's up to you. So the Christians got bacon, and Jews get to watch football on sunday without having to worry about going to church. Later Mohammed came along and offered a 3rd way.

/Nutshell version according to Christians
//Not enough time in the night to go into a full discussion on a fark thread.
///It's not as simple as you try to make it out to be
////Would be nice if it was

intelligent comment below: atomicmask:
Yeah I do, lets do this...I can really think of only one actual religious christian theocracy in the world currently, the vatican, so go ahead and tell me when the Vatican has openly lied to us while taking our money and giving it to fund our enemies at the same time.

Your equivalency is a bit off and you are retarded.

Financing Nazi's and pedophiles, militant Christian regimes where the dictators murder citizens, the Crusades, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan according to American Christians that's a war of their God against the Muslim God.

If we go down the list of number of people killed in the name of A. Islam, B. Christianity, who do you think will win?

So didn't my quote of the Bible just prove you wrong, that Christians are far worse about being trusted, since they should put any non believers to death? The Qaran just says don't make friends with them. Your book says to murder them. Checkmate, Christians.

Funny how this "retarded" person just ran circles around your anti-Semitic and xenophobic argument.

To be fair, you quoted a passage from the Old Testament. That was a "Jews Only" book. Jesus turned that upside down when he forgave the Good Samaritan, wrecked the money-changing racket at the temple, and preached love, tolerance, and inclusiveness to those willing to accept God's love.

Muhammad, who Muslims believe was sent as our last chance when we farked it all up again, preached tolerance and peace with infidels...as long as they submitted to Allah (I.e., became Muslim), or paid the jizyah, or religious tax. The third choice is death.

Jesus *never* -- not once -- preached death to anyone but the spiritual self, and then only as a path to rebirth in God's kingdom. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" he said at the stoning.

That we all farked it all up again and that people kill in all their Gods' names -- Krishna, Allah, Jesus, Zoroaster, whoever -- is non-sequitur to the central argument that Pakistan can DIAF because they've never been trustworthy as an ally since they broke from India after the Brits let them go.

Albertan: intelligent comment below: atomicmask:
Yeah I do, lets do this...I can really think of only one actual religious christian theocracy in the world currently, the vatican, so go ahead and tell me when the Vatican has openly lied to us while taking our money and giving it to fund our enemies at the same time.

Your equivalency is a bit off and you are retarded.

No you're still pretty retarded.

I'm agnostic but have little respect for ahistorical ignorant fools who pick up their information solely from pamphleteering blogs.

Financing Nazi's and pedophiles

Like the neopagans? the atheists? the muslims? seems to me everyone had a share in the blame.

militant Christian regimes where the dictators murder citizens

So using that logic, atheists would be guilty for the excesses of officially atheist governments, like the Khmer Rouge killing fields, the Ukrainian Holodomor, the Cultural Revolution, etcetera.

Oh, if you could give me one recent example of "militant Christian regimes where the dictators murder citizens". The only thing I can come up with would be Francisco Franco's Spain, but that's debatable.

the Crusades,

Everyone's favorite pat answer. Unfortunately it's a red herring, as historically (new window) the crusades (new window) were simply (new window) a pushback (new window) against (new window) hundreds (new window) of years (new window) of Muslim invasions of Europe (new window).

the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan according to American Christians that's a war of their God against the Muslim God.

Citation needed, who said that? when did they say that? I'd say "good luck finding a real source", but I know you just made that shiat up.

If we go down the list of number of people killed in the name of A. Islam, B. Christianity, who do you think will win?

facepalm.jpg

Easy.
Tamerlane.
No question about it.
A man who made the mold Hitler, Mao, and Stalin came from. A devout Muslim and a genocidal maniac personally responsible for wiping out 4.5% (20 million people) of the earths population. He did better himself than all of WWII (1.7%-3.1%) percentage wise, and only 1-3 million died (0.3%- 2.3%) on both sides during the whole 200 years of the crusades.


So didn't my quote of the Bible just prove you wrong, that Christians are far worse about being trusted, since they should put any non believers to death? The Qaran just says don't make friends with them. Your book says to murder them. Checkmate, Christians.

Yeah, again see here (new window) and here (new window).
Maybe learn something before mangling your argument with irrelevant quotations.

Funny how this "retarded" person just ran circles around your anti-Semitic and xenophobic argument.

Yeah pretty funny.

Thank you for actually knowing history and facts. I was getting ready to type a whole big thing about how stupid this person was but you've done it for me. I'm always glad to see someone on farm actually know something other than idiotic atheist talking points.

The deuce, you say.

intelligent comment below: trappedspirit: intelligent comment below: Hitler killed in the name of Christianity.

Oh, Lord. Are we on this carousel again...

The chosen race, superior to the animals, heavy Christian overtones. Yes, the Nazi's were indeed Christian, and had a great ally in Rome.



You're a complete idiot, with no idea what you're talking about.

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Imagine all the people living life in peace.

/A brotherhood of man, no doubt
//no religion too!


Yet the mass murderers you picture were all outspoken atheists. So maybe a little Love Thy Neighbour, and Do Unto Others in their attitude would have been a good thing.

X-boxershorts: atomicmask: No one should be mad, shocked, or upset. Only idiots trust muslims to begin with.

Qur'an (3:28)
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard
yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

Sorry bros, muslims will always side with muslims over you, even if you are in the right and they in the wrong. Never trust them.

Tell that to my son in law...troll

Gladly, want me to send it with my condolences to you for letting your daughter marry a Primitive theocratic savage? Also troll, you toss that word around, but I think it means "I can't argue with you, so I hope this dismisses what you said"

PC LOAD LETTER: Stabone33: Jesus *never* -- not once -- preached death to anyone but the spiritual self, and then only as a path to rebirth in God's kingdom. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" he said at the stoning.

Nor did he preach against gays. Nor did he say that people should go out and convert people. Nor did he say that abortion was wrong. Nor did he say that you should build huge cathedrals and pray on national TV. Nor did he mention hell.

I can go on and on about what Jesus did NOT say and yet Christians overwhelmingly act as if he did. It's not "Christianity", it's "Paulanity", and Christians lap it up with zeal.


Exactly, dude.
Paul and his Damascus experience is the first thing I thought of when I first learned of Joseph Smith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Services_Intelligence#Afghanistan

Captain Obvious indeed.

intelligent comment below: If we go down the list of number of people killed in the name of A. Islam, B. Christianity, who do you think will win?

By win, do you mean who has a higher body count?

I'm pretty farking sick of people who respond to any criticism of extremist Muslims by immediately crying, b-b-b-b-but Christians are just as bad or maybe even w-w-w-w-worse so your point is invalid.

Even if Christians were worse at one time you have to go back centuries. And yes, you can point to pockets of Christians doing horrible things even today, but extremist Muslims are still farked up and there are a lot of them and that behavior spans the entire globe.

Some of this is rooted in culture though -

To go back to your Old Testament retort, when was the last time a Christian went killing people simply because they were not Christian?

/not a Christian

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Christian
Islam
Christian
Islam
Christian
Jew
Islam
Jew
Christian
Islam
Christian
Islam
Hindu
Christian
Islam

Maybe one day you freaks will realize that it is none of the above, and merely *power*. Blowing people up has nothing to do with any of those things.

Particularly what we are talking about. We are talking about a part of the world where we have NO friends or allies, where EVERYBODY hates us and wants us gone. Even our so-called allies the Israelis would cut our throats for a nickel.
We need to get, and stay the f**k out of those cursed shiatholes, and let the natives fester in their own crapulence until they feel like becoming human. And none of it has a friggin' thing to do with anybody's stupid f**king religion.

X-boxershorts: atomicmask: X-boxershorts: atomicmask: No one should be mad, shocked, or upset. Only idiots trust muslims to begin with.

Qur'an (3:28)
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard
yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

Sorry bros, muslims will always side with muslims over you, even if you are in the right and they in the wrong. Never trust them.

Tell that to my son in law...troll

Gladly, want me to send it with my condolences to you for letting your daughter marry a Primitive theocratic savage? Also troll, you toss that word around, but I think it means "I can't argue with you, so I hope this dismisses what you said"

No..bigot. It means how can you arrogantly presume to have the morally superior argument when you recklessly categorize 1.5 BILLION people based upon the radical teachings of a god damned sect.

And if you were to meet my son in law you'd meet one of the most righteous people on earth.

But you'd ignore that, because, well...You are a bigot.

How can I? Because 1.5 billion all hold up a little book full of vile, domination, murder, and authorized rape and nod their head in agreement every, single, day. That is how I can categorize them. They do it themselves, by saying "I am a muslim"

It is easy to spot the evil, when they worship it.

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He was into his occult stuff, but you probably already know that.

/Why do our uniforms have skulls on them?
//Are we the baddies?

X-boxershorts: atomicmask: X-boxershorts: atomicmask: X-boxershorts: atomicmask: No one should be mad, shocked, or upset. Only idiots trust muslims to begin with.

Qur'an (3:28)
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard
yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

Sorry bros, muslims will always side with muslims over you, even if you are in the right and they in the wrong. Never trust them.

Tell that to my son in law...troll

Gladly, want me to send it with my condolences to you for letting your daughter marry a Primitive theocratic savage? Also troll, you toss that word around, but I think it means "I can't argue with you, so I hope this dismisses what you said"

No..bigot. It means how can you arrogantly presume to have the morally superior argument when you recklessly categorize 1.5 BILLION people based upon the radical teachings of a god damned sect.

And if you were to meet my son in law you'd meet one of the most righteous people on earth.

But you'd ignore that, because, well...You are a bigot.

How can I? Because 1.5 billion all hold up a little book full of vile, domination, murder, and authorized rape and nod their head in agreement every, single, day. That is how I can categorize them. They do it themselves, by saying "I am a muslim"

It is easy to spot the evil, when they worship it.

Bye, I don't need your poison.

So says the roaches when faced with terminix

atomicmask: X-boxershorts: atomicmask: X-boxershorts: atomicmask: No one should be mad, shocked, or upset. Only idiots trust muslims to begin with.

Qur'an (3:28)
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard
yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

Sorry bros, muslims will always side with muslims over you, even if you are in the right and they in the wrong. Never trust them.

Tell that to my son in law...troll

Gladly, want me to send it with my condolences to you for letting your daughter marry a Primitive theocratic savage? Also troll, you toss that word around, but I think it means "I can't argue with you, so I hope this dismisses what you said"

No..bigot. It means how can you arrogantly presume to have the morally superior argument when you recklessly categorize 1.5 BILLION people based upon the radical teachings of a god damned sect.

And if you were to meet my son in law you'd meet one of the most righteous people on earth.

But you'd ignore that, because, well...You are a bigot.

How can I? Because 1.5 billion all hold up a little book full of vile, domination, murder, and authorized rape and nod their head in agreement every, single, day. That is how I can categorize them. They do it themselves, by saying "I am a muslim"

It is easy to spot the evil, when they worship it.

Oh look, what a happy little ignorant bigot you are.

Gyrfalcon: intelligent comment below: atomicmask:
Yeah I do, lets do this...I can really think of only one actual religious christian theocracy in the world currently, the vatican, so go ahead and tell me when the Vatican has openly lied to us while taking our money and giving it to fund our enemies at the same time.

Your equivalency is a bit off and you are retarded.

Financing Nazi's and pedophiles, militant Christian regimes where the dictators murder citizens, the Crusades, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan according to American Christians that's a war of their God against the Muslim God.

If we go down the list of number of people killed in the name of A. Islam, B. Christianity, who do you think will win?

So didn't my quote of the Bible just prove you wrong, that Christians are far worse about being trusted, since they should put any non believers to death? The Qaran just says don't make friends with them. Your book says to murder them. Checkmate, Christians.

Funny how this "retarded" person just ran circles around your anti-Semitic and xenophobic argument.

It comes out about the same.

The only people who can claim the moral high ground for not killing in the name of religion are, strangely, the Hindus. In terms of organized state/religious wars, they've only got about one or two wars to their credit, versus hundreds for the Xtians and Islamists. (Source: The Great Big Book of Horrible Things, excellent book for multicide statistics, I recommend it highly)

Neo-Paganism and most New Age religions as well.

/Which is why I like Neo-Paganism
//Also, farking hell, we cannot get into another war without draining our budget and tanking the planet's economy, so can everyone shut up on the global level for ten minutes while we fix this? Thank you.

atomicmask: X-boxershorts: atomicmask: X-boxershorts: atomicmask: X-boxershorts: atomicmask: No one should be mad, shocked, or upset. Only idiots trust muslims to begin with.

Qur'an (3:28)
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard
yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

Sorry bros, muslims will always side with muslims over you, even if you are in the right and they in the wrong. Never trust them.

Tell that to my son in law...troll

Gladly, want me to send it with my condolences to you for letting your daughter marry a Primitive theocratic savage? Also troll, you toss that word around, but I think it means "I can't argue with you, so I hope this dismisses what you said"

No..bigot. It means how can you arrogantly presume to have the morally superior argument when you recklessly categorize 1.5 BILLION people based upon the radical teachings of a god damned sect.

And if you were to meet my son in law you'd meet one of the most righteous people on earth.

But you'd ignore that, because, well...You are a bigot.

How can I? Because 1.5 billion all hold up a little book full of vile, domination, murder, and authorized rape and nod their head in agreement every, single, day. That is how I can categorize them. They do it themselves, by saying "I am a muslim"

It is easy to spot the evil, when they worship it.

Bye, I don't need your poison.

So says the roaches when faced with terminix

Exterminating the vermin should bring glee to you.

Is anyone surprised that the sublimely imbecilic "whose religion is better" debate delivers nothing but childish ranting and stupid ad hominem arguments?
When you discuss bullshiat, bullshiat is what you get.

muck4doo: atomicmask: X-boxershorts: atomicmask: X-boxershorts: atomicmask: No one should be mad, shocked, or upset. Only idiots trust muslims to begin with.

Qur'an (3:28)
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard
yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

Sorry bros, muslims will always side with muslims over you, even if you are in the right and they in the wrong. Never trust them.

Tell that to my son in law...troll

Gladly, want me to send it with my condolences to you for letting your daughter marry a Primitive theocratic savage? Also troll, you toss that word around, but I think it means "I can't argue with you, so I hope this dismisses what you said"

No..bigot. It means how can you arrogantly presume to have the morally superior argument when you recklessly categorize 1.5 BILLION people based upon the radical teachings of a god damned sect.

And if you were to meet my son in law you'd meet one of the most righteous people on earth.

But you'd ignore that, because, well...You are a bigot.

How can I? Because 1.5 billion all hold up a little book full of vile, domination, murder, and authorized rape and nod their head in agreement every, single, day. That is how I can categorize them. They do it themselves, by saying "I am a muslim"

It is easy to spot the evil, when they worship it.

Oh look, what a happy little ignorant bigot you are.

Oh look, what a ignorant little apologetic you are!

PC LOAD LETTER: Nor did he say that people should go out and convert people.

Well, technically he did say to sell all of your possessions and follow him. Follow him? In his pursuit to...convert people? But, I'm not putting forth an argument here because you sound like you have a cross to bear. :)

intelligent comment below: Albertan:
Yeah, if you're trying to equivocate Islamic theocracy with Christianity, you should maybe consider the whole New Testament/New Covenant bit when quote hunting.
Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of theology would chuckle at what you just tried to do.

Good verse to use if you're arguing with a Rabbi though.

/protip: try Matthew onward


The entire Bible is the word of God according to your religion. Jesus said he wasn't here to tear down any laws.

You're just taking the easy way out and trying to white wash the book you worship of any bad things, while blaming another religious book because of some bad things. It doesn't get any more hypocritical than that.

Why are some bad parts of the Qaran proof that it's an evil murdering religion, but similar passages in the Bible are just passed off as out of date and not relevant? How convenient, hypocrite.

Because there are no longer large groups of armed men cutting heads off for Jesus, but there are for Muhammed. See, a reformation and hundreds of years of reflection go a long way towards self improvement. Something Islam has yet to do and therefore you have the Taliban et al. Also the Bible was written by men inspired by God. Islam contends the Quran consists of the literal words of Muhammed with no room for interpretation. Imagine, over 1300 years and not a single misunderstanding, AMAZING!

Giltric:
Since you seem like an asshole....why aren't those good rules to follow?

I'm trying to get some radicals to stop saying Islam is evil and all religions have some bad parts... but I'm the asshole? Uhhhhh

kyrg: intelligent comment below: Albertan:
Yeah, if you're trying to equivocate Islamic theocracy with Christianity, you should maybe consider the whole New Testament/New Covenant bit when quote hunting.
Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of theology would chuckle at what you just tried to do.

Good verse to use if you're arguing with a Rabbi though.

/protip: try Matthew onward


The entire Bible is the word of God according to your religion. Jesus said he wasn't here to tear down any laws.

You're just taking the easy way out and trying to white wash the book you worship of any bad things, while blaming another religious book because of some bad things. It doesn't get any more hypocritical than that.

Why are some bad parts of the Qaran proof that it's an evil murdering religion, but similar passages in the Bible are just passed off as out of date and not relevant? How convenient, hypocrite.

Because there are no longer large groups of armed men cutting heads off for Jesus, but there are for Muhammed. See, a reformation and hundreds of years of reflection go a long way towards self improvement. Something Islam has yet to do and therefore you have the Taliban et al. Also the Bible was written by men inspired by God. Islam contends the Quran consists of the literal words of Muhammed with no room for interpretation. Imagine, over 1300 years and not a single misunderstanding, AMAZING!

You got any stats on how many heads have been cut off in the Muslim world this year, vs. say, Cuidad Juarez?

/Mexican asking this

intelligent comment below: Giltric:
Since you seem like an asshole....why aren't those good rules to follow?

I'm trying to get some radicals to stop saying Islam is evil and all religions have some bad parts... but I'm the asshole? Uhhhhh

No, you just never leave any intelligent comment below. Stop that false advertising bullshiat.

intelligent comment below: I'm trying to get some radicals to stop saying Islam is evil and all religions have some bad parts... but I'm the asshole? Uhhhhh

If you are trying to stop people from saying that all religions have some bad parts...that doesn't speak well of you.

intelligent comment below: Giltric:
Since you seem like an asshole....why aren't those good rules to follow?

I'm trying to get some radicals to stop saying Islam is evil and all religions have some bad parts... but I'm the asshole? Uhhhhh

Why belabor an irrelevant point at this absurd length? None of this has anything to do with religion anyway.
We have a problem of perception here - we perceive ourselves as righteous warriors for freedom and democracy - but the people who live in that part of the world don't see us that way - they see us as invaders and usurpers. They see us trampling their land, killing their people, and blowing shiat up. And they like us exactly as much as we Americans would like any foreign power that did the same to us. As long as we are there, they will ALL hate us, and ally against us. We need to GTFO, and let these benighted primitives work their own shiat out - at this point, I think Western Man can pretty safely declare colonialism and imperialism to be failures, and it's time to abandon them.
I see the pointless "religion" debate as an evasion of that uncomfortable discussion - it's easy, intellectually unchallenging - an argument that even the lowest idiot can participate in (as this thread amply demonstrates). But it's irrelevant.
So why don't you just drop it?
If you think you can "educate" people who have some deeply rooted ego-need to look down on, or hate, or fear someone else - you are a fool, and are prolonging an asinine discussion

Honestly it boggles my mind how someone can be so apologetic for an entire group of people who honestly do believe and say daily that all non-muslims are second class citizens and its alright to lie to non-believers until you conquer them. When white nationalist say evil things, we condemn them all as asshats, when Christians say such things, we condemn the group as asshats, yet with islam, an entire dissonance occurs. There is not a single muslim going around saying that the Quran needs revision, that perhaps some verses in it are not acceptable, no. Because the Quran specifically forbids such actions and will get you killed in islam. But dont ever say or admit that! Then you are a mean ol' nasty bigot for pointing out the truth.

atomicmask: Honestly it boggles my mind how someone can be so apologetic for an entire group of people who honestly do believe and say daily that all non-muslims are second class citizens and its alright to lie to non-believers until you conquer them. When white nationalist say evil things, we condemn them all as asshats, when Christians say such things, we condemn the group as asshats, yet with islam, an entire dissonance occurs. There is not a single muslim going around saying that the Quran needs revision, that perhaps some verses in it are not acceptable, no. Because the Quran specifically forbids such actions and will get you killed in islam. But dont ever say or admit that! Then you are a mean ol' nasty bigot for pointing out the truth.

In your case you are just stupid, and haven't got a clue as to what you are talking about. Thanks for making it obvious. You have a good night with dreams of revising the Quran to fit your beliefs in your head.

atomicmask: Honestly it boggles my mind how someone can be so apologetic for an entire group of people who honestly do believe and say daily that all non-muslims are second class citizens and its alright to lie to non-believers until you conquer them. When white nationalist say evil things, we condemn them all as asshats, when Christians say such things, we condemn the group as asshats, yet with islam, an entire dissonance occurs. There is not a single muslim going around saying that the Quran needs revision, that perhaps some verses in it are not acceptable, no. Because the Quran specifically forbids such actions and will get you killed in islam. But dont ever say or admit that! Then you are a mean ol' nasty bigot for pointing out the truth.

You're repeating yourself. Will you, at some point, have gotten this off your chest? Because it's really boring, and not relevant to the subject at hand - namely, what the f**k we are going to do about the mess we have gotten ourselves into in Central Asia - it's a real, actual problem. Your feelings about Islam, on the other hand, while you are perfectly entitled to them, aren't really of any relevance here.

Sleeping Monkey: 9beers: So why does Obama keep giving them money?

Obama doesn't give money, congress does. In light of that, why does the republican congress keep giving them money?

Doze waskawy wepubwikkans!

jso2897: atomicmask: Honestly it boggles my mind how someone can be so apologetic for an entire group of people who honestly do believe and say daily that all non-muslims are second class citizens and its alright to lie to non-believers until you conquer them. When white nationalist say evil things, we condemn them all as asshats, when Christians say such things, we condemn the group as asshats, yet with islam, an entire dissonance occurs. There is not a single muslim going around saying that the Quran needs revision, that perhaps some verses in it are not acceptable, no. Because the Quran specifically forbids such actions and will get you killed in islam. But dont ever say or admit that! Then you are a mean ol' nasty bigot for pointing out the truth.

You're repeating yourself. Will you, at some point, have gotten this off your chest? Because it's really boring, and not relevant to the subject at hand - namely, what the f**k we are going to do about the mess we have gotten ourselves into in Central Asia - it's a real, actual problem. Your feelings about Islam, on the other hand, while you are perfectly entitled to them, aren't really of any relevance here.

they are very much relevant, the entire story shows it. Again I point out

Qur'an (3:28)
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

It is indoctrinated deceit. Like it or not.

jso2897: atomicmask: Honestly it boggles my mind how someone can be so apologetic for an entire group of people who honestly do believe and say daily that all non-muslims are second class citizens and its alright to lie to non-believers until you conquer them. When white nationalist say evil things, we condemn them all as asshats, when Christians say such things, we condemn the group as asshats, yet with islam, an entire dissonance occurs. There is not a single muslim going around saying that the Quran needs revision, that perhaps some verses in it are not acceptable, no. Because the Quran specifically forbids such actions and will get you killed in islam. But dont ever say or admit that! Then you are a mean ol' nasty bigot for pointing out the truth.

You're repeating yourself. Will you, at some point, have gotten this off your chest? Because it's really boring, and not relevant to the subject at hand - namely, what the f**k we are going to do about the mess we have gotten ourselves into in Central Asia - it's a real, actual problem. Your feelings about Islam, on the other hand, while you are perfectly entitled to them, aren't really of any relevance here.

Not that I agree with atomic, but pretty much the whole farking thread has been dominated by intelligent thought below, and you jump on atomic for irrelevancy?

Really?

You don't say.


intelligent comment below: Duh. And Saudi Arabia finances Pakistan and the Taliban. They were not only responsible for the majority of 9/11 hijackers but financed the operation and helped train them. Just like the Mumbai terrorists. So when does America attack Saudi Arabia?

When we no longer need their oil? Which we use to run our military-industrial complex? To fight terrorist regimes in the Middle East? Which are financed by Saudi...oh.


/where have all the flowers gone?

atomicmask: jso2897: atomicmask: Honestly it boggles my mind how someone can be so apologetic for an entire group of people who honestly do believe and say daily that all non-muslims are second class citizens and its alright to lie to non-believers until you conquer them. When white nationalist say evil things, we condemn them all as asshats, when Christians say such things, we condemn the group as asshats, yet with islam, an entire dissonance occurs. There is not a single muslim going around saying that the Quran needs revision, that perhaps some verses in it are not acceptable, no. Because the Quran specifically forbids such actions and will get you killed in islam. But dont ever say or admit that! Then you are a mean ol' nasty bigot for pointing out the truth.

You're repeating yourself. Will you, at some point, have gotten this off your chest? Because it's really boring, and not relevant to the subject at hand - namely, what the f**k we are going to do about the mess we have gotten ourselves into in Central Asia - it's a real, actual problem. Your feelings about Islam, on the other hand, while you are perfectly entitled to them, aren't really of any relevance here.

they are very much relevant, the entire story shows it. Again I point out

Qur'an (3:28)
SHAKIR: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

It is indoctrinated deceit. Like it or not.

And another who has no idea of context or abrogation. I am shocked.

/Oh wait, it's the same idiot.
//Do you have any clue what that verse is referring to?
///You don't have to be scared.

SweetSilverBlues: jso2897: atomicmask: Honestly it boggles my mind how someone can be so apologetic for an entire group of people who honestly do believe and say daily that all non-muslims are second class citizens and its alright to lie to non-believers until you conquer them. When white nationalist say evil things, we condemn them all as asshats, when Christians say such things, we condemn the group as asshats, yet with islam, an entire dissonance occurs. There is not a single muslim going around saying that the Quran needs revision, that perhaps some verses in it are not acceptable, no. Because the Quran specifically forbids such actions and will get you killed in islam. But dont ever say or admit that! Then you are a mean ol' nasty bigot for pointing out the truth.

You're repeating yourself. Will you, at some point, have gotten this off your chest? Because it's really boring, and not relevant to the subject at hand - namely, what the f**k we are going to do about the mess we have gotten ourselves into in Central Asia - it's a real, actual problem. Your feelings about Islam, on the other hand, while you are perfectly entitled to them, aren't really of any relevance here.

Not that I agree with atomic, but pretty much the whole farking thread has been dominated by intelligent thought below, and you jump on atomic for irrelevancy?

Really?

Read further up the thread, son - I had a few choice words for IT as well. They are both shiatting the thread, and they are boring me - so I said so.
How about you - would you actually like to discuss the subject at hand - or do you want to play "my god is better than your god" too?