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(Huffington Post)   In today's you-can't-make-this-shiat-up news, a pro-Gingrich robocall is claiming Romney forced Holocaust survivors to eat non-kosher food   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 206
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2012-01-31 12:55:59 PM
what. the. fark?

it almost - almost - makes me feel bad for romney. though you just know romney would've done the same thing if he thought it would give him a single extra jewish vote.
 
2012-01-31 12:57:59 PM
It's true. I read the prophecy in the Book of Mormon.
 
2012-01-31 12:58:09 PM
Wow.
 
2012-01-31 01:04:20 PM
Now that is how you pander to a demographic.
 
2012-01-31 01:04:27 PM
I know it's hard to make a good bagel in Florida, but at least they try.
 
2012-01-31 01:04:45 PM
Well, sort of, though "forced" is hyperbolic.

The call is referencing Romney's veto of a 2003 bill. It came at a time that some nursing homes were considering eliminating their kosher kitchens during a period of budget cuts. Their plan was to instead bus in kosher food from other locations. The bill Romney vetoed would have given an additional $600,000 in funding to nursing homes, therefore making it possible for them to continue cooking kosher food on site.

So, Gingrich's fine for ethics violations would've covered half of this program.
 
2012-01-31 01:05:29 PM
To be fair... as much as I can't stand Newt... I've met many Holocaust survivors in my day and most of them weren't Kosher. My grandparents, who were Kosher all their lives, get Meals on Wheels now and don't care that it isn't Kosher.
 
2012-01-31 01:12:03 PM

sweetmelissa31: To be fair... as much as I can't stand Newt... I've met many Holocaust survivors in my day and most of them weren't Kosher. My grandparents, who were Kosher all their lives, get Meals on Wheels now and don't care that it isn't Kosher.


Are they not concerned that the Jewish God Kabbala will send them to Jewish hell?

/I don't know much about religion.
 
2012-01-31 01:13:11 PM

James!: Jewish hell


Wisconsin?
 
2012-01-31 01:19:50 PM

WTF Indeed: James!: Jewish hell

Wisconsin?


I'm pretty sure Wisconsin isn't supposed to be real, it's in the Jewish bible as a metaphor.
 
2012-01-31 01:26:54 PM
dougbelisle.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-01-31 01:30:13 PM
Why doesn't he just accuse Romney of piping Zyklon B into the air conditioning?
 
2012-01-31 01:33:57 PM
You should see what the Mormons are doing to the ones that DIDN'T survive the holocaust.
 
2012-01-31 01:46:24 PM
I hate both these guys so much, I really don't know which one to root for. No matter who wins, he still has to be slaughtered by Obama.
 
2012-01-31 01:50:21 PM
This is so awesome. Keep doubling down, Newt. I should donate to his campaign ...
 
2012-01-31 01:55:41 PM

James!: Now that is how you pander to a demographic.


I keep saying this in other threads: since both of them are going to lose, Newt should get the nomination. If you're going to cause a train wreck, you should use the biggest locomotive you can find.

This is just a taste of what we'd get during the general election. Frankly, an ad with blackface and Santa Claus dressed up as Satan wouldn't surprise me if Newt wins the nomination.
 
2012-01-31 01:56:37 PM

Lsherm: James!: Now that is how you pander to a demographic.

I keep saying this in other threads: since both of them are going to lose, Newt should get the nomination. If you're going to cause a train wreck, you should use the biggest locomotive you can find.

This is just a taste of what we'd get during the general election. Frankly, an ad with blackface and Santa Claus dressed up as Satan wouldn't surprise me if Newt wins the nomination.


Newt would be daring enough to call Obama out on his unrepentant blackness.
 
2012-01-31 01:56:43 PM
Oy vey.
 
2012-01-31 02:00:16 PM
Mitt Romney: Just like Hitler

I'm Newt Gingrich, and I approve this message.
 
2012-01-31 02:01:41 PM
If Newt was really serious about winning Florida he should have gone all in: claim Romney forced Holocaust survivors to be fed halal prepared meals by the kids back up North who never call, while Fidel Castro gets to watch on in amusement.

There. I think I covered all the demographics.
 
2012-01-31 02:02:05 PM
If it was anybody but Newt, I'd assume anything THAT sleazy must have been a false-flag plant.
 
2012-01-31 02:05:12 PM
I guess I should have thrown Sharia law in there somewhere. That seems to be a bigger buzzword for the rednecks than halal for some reason. Not sure they know what that is.

Oh well.
 
2012-01-31 02:06:42 PM
This is getting good.
 
2012-01-31 02:08:06 PM
"While governor of TAXachussetts, Mitt Romney implemented Sharia law to force Holocaust survivors to be fed halal prepared meals by the kids back up North who never call, while Fidel Castro got to watch on in amusement."

There. That's more like it.
 
2012-01-31 02:12:16 PM

Marcus Aurelius: You should see what the Mormons are doing to the ones that DIDN'T survive the holocaust.


Mitt Romney personally dug up Anne Frank's body and put Mormon underwear on her.
 
2012-01-31 02:14:08 PM
Jew rapist non-Christian Taxobomney will force you to muslim gay marriage your abortion POW right there in the socialism
 
2012-01-31 02:17:02 PM

sweetmelissa31: Marcus Aurelius: You should see what the Mormons are doing to the ones that DIDN'T survive the holocaust.

Mitt Romney personally dug up Anne Frank's body and put Mormon underwear on her.


Well, he baptized her at the secret temple ceremony, then had her get her 'endowements' by wearing her magic underwear and then watching the creation movie, put on funny clothing, swear allegiance to the church and god and then do a lot of secret hand shakes, give secret passwords so she could be mormon in heaven with him. (Yes. That's what they do.)

So .... you are right.
 
2012-01-31 02:21:14 PM
Here's the thing, though. Mitt is an adherent to a religion that has all sorts of dietary codes. Yet, he has a tin ear when it comes to the concerns of other religions.
Did Mitt force-feed non-Kosher meals to observant Jews? No. But he was more concerned with saving what amounts to pocket change for him than with the needs of his elderly Jewish constituents. If a Protestant, Catholic or Jewish governor mandated doing away with, say, magic underwear to save a few bucks you can bet Mitt would be outraged. Or whatever it is that simulates outrage in his programming.
 
2012-01-31 02:23:53 PM

propasaurus: Here's the thing, though. Mitt is an adherent to a religion that has all sorts of dietary codes. Yet, he has a tin ear when it comes to the concerns of other religions.
Did Mitt force-feed non-Kosher meals to observant Jews? No. But he was more concerned with saving what amounts to pocket change for him than with the needs of his elderly Jewish constituents. If a Protestant, Catholic or Jewish governor mandated doing away with, say, magic underwear to save a few bucks you can bet Mitt would be outraged. Or whatever it is that simulates outrage in his programming.


that would be interesting if the money had been specifically ear-marked for funding kosher food, rather than a general budget increase for state-funded retirement homes.
 
2012-01-31 02:24:18 PM
Keep on adding reasons why I don't like you, Newt.
 
2012-01-31 02:30:12 PM
Oh and the worst thing about this is that Romney's veto was actually overturned, which means that no, Holocaust survivors were not in any way forced halal pig thanks to Taxomney McMormoncare
 
2012-01-31 02:33:51 PM
FTA: "Their plan was to instead bus in kosher food from other locations. The bill Romney vetoed would have given an additional $600,000 in funding to nursing homes, therefore making it possible for them to continue cooking kosher food on site."


This may sound hearltess and cruel, but the truth is, keeping such a facility up to kosher snuff is no simple matter.

In order to properly "cook kosher on site", you need a "$upervised" kitchen, and either all food served must meet kosher standards, or you need two completely separate kitchens (separate cookware, etc) and assurances that no cross "contamination" might occur.

Needless to say, kosher can be co$tly.

Better that those who demand such standards stay in facilities where they won't be bothered by those that like cheeseburgers.

Anyway, Newt's attack is sure to split the Red Sea of Florida's Jewish voters.
 
2012-01-31 02:34:38 PM

Tigger: Jew rapist non-Christian Taxobomney will force you to muslim gay marriage your abortion POW right there in the socialism


SODOMOCRACY!
 
2012-01-31 02:38:42 PM
lyn.bengaltech.com

Can't haz cheezeburger.
 
2012-01-31 02:41:29 PM
Romney made it illegal for the Costco in Boca Raton to give out free samples!

/If you've never been to the Costco in Boca Raton, don't ever go.
 
2012-01-31 02:42:04 PM

Tatsuma: Keep on adding reasons why I don't like you, Newt.



Why do you hate Holocaust survivors?
 
2012-01-31 02:43:37 PM
So then is it ok for Jews who are not Holocaust survivors to eat non kosher food?????
 
2012-01-31 02:45:01 PM

orange storm: So then is it ok for Jews who are not Holocaust survivors to eat non kosher food?????


I don't think that's what he's saying?????
 
2012-01-31 02:45:44 PM

Amos Quito: Tatsuma: Keep on adding reasons why I don't like you, Newt.


Why do you hate Holocaust survivors?


They stole his lunch money and hid his clothes when he was taking a shower after gym class.
 
2012-01-31 02:49:15 PM
What's funny is that disingenuously using Jews and antisemitism to scare people into voting for him is antisemitic in and of itself.

"Those suckers will believe anything if you toss the Holocaust in there."
 
2012-01-31 02:52:11 PM
"Some say Romney called this a temporary measure, but he was working on a final solution."
 
2012-01-31 02:53:23 PM
I'm surprised with all the pandering in Florida that he didn't change his name to Jewt.
 
2012-01-31 02:54:15 PM
I am going to be really sad when this is over.
 
2012-01-31 02:55:06 PM
Why does everything go back to Nazis?
 
2012-01-31 02:55:33 PM

Amos Quito: FTA: "Their plan was to instead bus in kosher food from other locations. The bill Romney vetoed would have given an additional $600,000 in funding to nursing homes, therefore making it possible for them to continue cooking kosher food on site."


This may sound hearltess and cruel, but the truth is, keeping such a facility up to kosher snuff is no simple matter.

In order to properly "cook kosher on site", you need a "$upervised" kitchen, and either all food served must meet kosher standards, or you need two completely separate kitchens (separate cookware, etc) and assurances that no cross "contamination" might occur.

Needless to say, kosher can be co$tly.

Better that those who demand such standards stay in facilities where they won't be bothered by those that like cheeseburgers.

Anyway, Newt's attack is sure to split the Red Sea of Florida's Jewish voters.


So you are saying that the Jewish folks should live in separate, but equal, facilities?
 
2012-01-31 02:58:03 PM
I got a phone call that Romney has a black baby.
 
2012-01-31 02:58:16 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: So you are saying that the Jewish folks should live in separate, but equal, facilities?


He's saying the same thing he usually says:

files.sharenator.com
 
2012-01-31 02:59:10 PM
I heard when Mitt Romney toured Israel, he took a dump on it. On several occasion!
 
2012-01-31 02:59:50 PM

muck4doo: I got a phone call that Romney has a black baby.


I heard that W. Mittens Soetoro Fartromney is a Mexican Mormon.

FARTROMNY
WHERE
BIRF CERTIFICT
WHE
 
2012-01-31 03:00:30 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: I heard when Mitt Romney toured Israel, he took a dump on it. On several occasion!


I don't know why this made me laugh so hard.
 
2012-01-31 03:00:31 PM
Romney hates Fidler on the Roof!
 
2012-01-31 03:00:53 PM
I'm missing the point here. Isn't the GOP mantra that the government shouldn't be feeding people in nursing homes (or anywhere else)? Isn't he private sector supposed to be doing this?
 
2012-01-31 03:01:19 PM

GWLush: Romney hates Fidler on the Roof!


and Fiddler on the Roof too!
 
2012-01-31 03:02:11 PM

Diogenes: What's funny is that disingenuously using Jews and antisemitism to scare people into voting for him is antisemitic in and of itself.

"Those suckers will believe anything if you toss the Holocaust in there."


That was our reaction around here. That, and 'Seriously, can't they shut up about Jews and Israel? I mean, seriously there's a whole campaign and so many issues going on. Leave us alone for five minutes'.
 
2012-01-31 03:02:16 PM
I got a call saying that Romney stole my bike and touched me in my special place.
 
2012-01-31 03:03:08 PM
I heard Romney had a make-out session while watching Schindler's List!
 
2012-01-31 03:03:44 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I hate both these guys so much, I really don't know which one to root for. No matter who wins, he still has to be slaughtered by Obama.


True, but it's going to be ugly. Over $30 million was spent in Florida over the last 10 days, and 92% of it was negative. In the general election each candidate will have close to a billion dollars... I get sick just thinking about what we're in for.
 
2012-01-31 03:04:50 PM

Tatsuma: Diogenes: What's funny is that disingenuously using Jews and antisemitism to scare people into voting for him is antisemitic in and of itself.

"Those suckers will believe anything if you toss the Holocaust in there."

That was our reaction around here. That, and 'Seriously, can't they shut up about Jews and Israel? I mean, seriously there's a whole campaign and so many issues going on. Leave us alone for five minutes'.


Could you guys get some newspaper editors to come over here and spread that sentiment around? Cuz right now you keep letting all the derp out.
 
2012-01-31 03:04:51 PM

kevinfra: I'm missing the point here. Isn't the GOP mantra that the government shouldn't be feeding people in nursing homes (or anywhere else)? Isn't he private sector supposed to be doing this?


It's a bad thing when the other guys do it, no matter who those guys are.
 
2012-01-31 03:04:52 PM
Mitt Romney masturbates to Schindlers List. Furiously.
 
2012-01-31 03:06:24 PM

James!: sweetmelissa31: To be fair... as much as I can't stand Newt... I've met many Holocaust survivors in my day and most of them weren't Kosher. My grandparents, who were Kosher all their lives, get Meals on Wheels now and don't care that it isn't Kosher.

Are they not concerned that the Jewish God Kabbala will send them to Jewish hell?

/I don't know much about religion.


Failing to keep dietary prohibitions is more "naughty" than acctually "bad;" much less "evil." I know of at least one instance where bacon saved a jewish holocaust survivor. Which just goes to show bacon doesn't hold a grudge. It's there whenever you want, or need it.
 
2012-01-31 03:06:46 PM

GWLush: GWLush: Romney hates Fidler on the Roof!

and Fiddler on the Roof too!


What about Fidddler on the Roof three: a new rope?
 
2012-01-31 03:07:16 PM
A holocaust happens on the German-Polish border. Where do the Allies bury the survivors?
 
2012-01-31 03:07:28 PM
I heard Romney wrote some Protocols when he was a church Elder at the national park in Zion!
 
2012-01-31 03:08:01 PM

Tickle Mittens: Failing to keep dietary prohibitions is more "naughty" than acctually "bad;" much less "evil." I know of at least one instance where bacon saved a jewish holocaust survivor.


Yeah it's definitely not 'just naughty', it's a very major area of laws, and one of the most important things that a Jew has to keep.

However, if it came down to saving a life, go ahead and chow down on a shrimped cheeseburger, not only is it permitted, but obligatory.
 
2012-01-31 03:09:11 PM

Tatsuma: Tickle Mittens: Failing to keep dietary prohibitions is more "naughty" than acctually "bad;" much less "evil." I know of at least one instance where bacon saved a jewish holocaust survivor.

Yeah it's definitely not 'just naughty', it's a very major area of laws, and one of the most important things that a Jew has to keep.

However, if it came down to saving a life, go ahead and chow down on a shrimped cheeseburger, not only is it permitted, but obligatory.


The fark is a shrimped cheesburger?
 
2012-01-31 03:11:18 PM

kevinfra: I'm missing the point here. Isn't the GOP mantra that the government shouldn't be feeding people in nursing homes (or anywhere else)? Isn't he private sector supposed to be doing this?


Is there such a thing as kosher bootstraps?
 
2012-01-31 03:11:34 PM

However, if it came down to saving a life, go ahead and chow down on a shrimped cheeseburger, not only is it permitted, but obligatory.,


What could be more ridiculous than not having certain exceptions to otherwise rigorously enforced bronze age goat herder food safety advice?
 
2012-01-31 03:11:43 PM

Nadie_AZ: This is so awesome. Keep doubling down, Newt. I should donate to his campaign ...


You know I thought about that the other day. He's got to keep alive the freak show somehow.
 
2012-01-31 03:11:47 PM
I always request the kosher meal on flights because you get that little pastry thing.
 
2012-01-31 03:12:14 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Amos Quito: FTA: "Their plan was to instead bus in kosher food from other locations. The bill Romney vetoed would have given an additional $600,000 in funding to nursing homes, therefore making it possible for them to continue cooking kosher food on site."


This may sound hearltess and cruel, but the truth is, keeping such a facility up to kosher snuff is no simple matter.

In order to properly "cook kosher on site", you need a "$upervised" kitchen, and either all food served must meet kosher standards, or you need two completely separate kitchens (separate cookware, etc) and assurances that no cross "contamination" might occur.

Needless to say, kosher can be co$tly.

Better that those who demand such standards stay in facilities where they won't be bothered by those that like cheeseburgers.

Anyway, Newt's attack is sure to split the Red Sea of Florida's Jewish voters.

So you are saying that the Jewish folks should live in separate, but equal, facilities?



No, I'm saying that non-kosher cooking facilities are entirely incompatible with the demands of kosher. The possibility of "contamination" makes it impractical for them to share the same kitchen, as even a small "offense" can render the whole place treif, or "unfit".

The requirements for keeping a kitchen kosher are insanely rigorous. And at Passover? Forget it.

So for practical purposes, unless you intend to force EVERYONE to eat kosher food, you either need two entirely separate kitchens - or - separate facilities.

In any case, I fail to see why taxpayers should foot the bill for those who follow the dietary demands of any silly religious superstition.
 
2012-01-31 03:12:32 PM
Mitt Romney pronounces "bagel" like "baahhhgel."
 
2012-01-31 03:14:58 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Philip Francis Queeg: So you are saying that the Jewish folks should live in separate, but equal, facilities?

He's saying the same thing he usually says:

[files.sharenator.com image 533x800]



Just the facts, ma'am.
 
2012-01-31 03:15:27 PM

Amos Quito: Philip Francis Queeg: Amos Quito: FTA: "Their plan was to instead bus in kosher food from other locations. The bill Romney vetoed would have given an additional $600,000 in funding to nursing homes, therefore making it possible for them to continue cooking kosher food on site."


This may sound hearltess and cruel, but the truth is, keeping such a facility up to kosher snuff is no simple matter.

In order to properly "cook kosher on site", you need a "$upervised" kitchen, and either all food served must meet kosher standards, or you need two completely separate kitchens (separate cookware, etc) and assurances that no cross "contamination" might occur.

Needless to say, kosher can be co$tly.

Better that those who demand such standards stay in facilities where they won't be bothered by those that like cheeseburgers.

Anyway, Newt's attack is sure to split the Red Sea of Florida's Jewish voters.

So you are saying that the Jewish folks should live in separate, but equal, facilities?


No, I'm saying that non-kosher cooking facilities are entirely incompatible with the demands of kosher. The possibility of "contamination" makes it impractical for them to share the same kitchen, as even a small "offense" can render the whole place treif, or "unfit".

The requirements for keeping a kitchen kosher are insanely rigorous. And at Passover? Forget it.

So for practical purposes, unless you intend to force EVERYONE to eat kosher food, you either need two entirely separate kitchens - or - separate facilities.

In any case, I fail to see why taxpayers should foot the bill for those who follow the dietary demands of any silly religious superstition.


Ahh, so not "Separate but equal" but "Gentiles only".

Got it.
 
2012-01-31 03:17:07 PM

Tickle Mittens: James!: sweetmelissa31: To be fair... as much as I can't stand Newt... I've met many Holocaust survivors in my day and most of them weren't Kosher. My grandparents, who were Kosher all their lives, get Meals on Wheels now and don't care that it isn't Kosher.

Are they not concerned that the Jewish God Kabbala will send them to Jewish hell?

/I don't know much about religion.

Failing to keep dietary prohibitions is more "naughty" than acctually "bad;" much less "evil." I know of at least one instance where bacon saved a jewish holocaust survivor. Which just goes to show bacon doesn't hold a grudge. It's there whenever you want, or need it.


Man, you wouldn't know a joke if it heclemed in your goneckticazoink.
 
2012-01-31 03:19:40 PM
i40.tinypic.com

what they imagine...
 
2012-01-31 03:19:49 PM

GWLush: The fark is a shrimped cheesburger?


www.masonsgrill.com

/meant to write shrimped-out
 
2012-01-31 03:19:53 PM
One of the anagrams for Millard Romney is:

Morally Rid Men

SEE, NEWT IS SPEAKING THE TRUTH!ELEVENTY!!!DERP MITT HATES DA JOOZ!!
 
2012-01-31 03:20:07 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Amos Quito: Philip Francis Queeg: Amos Quito: FTA: "Their plan was to instead bus in kosher food from other locations. The bill Romney vetoed would have given an additional $600,000 in funding to nursing homes, therefore making it possible for them to continue cooking kosher food on site."


This may sound hearltess and cruel, but the truth is, keeping such a facility up to kosher snuff is no simple matter.

In order to properly "cook kosher on site", you need a "$upervised" kitchen, and either all food served must meet kosher standards, or you need two completely separate kitchens (separate cookware, etc) and assurances that no cross "contamination" might occur.

Needless to say, kosher can be co$tly.

Better that those who demand such standards stay in facilities where they won't be bothered by those that like cheeseburgers.

Anyway, Newt's attack is sure to split the Red Sea of Florida's Jewish voters.

So you are saying that the Jewish folks should live in separate, but equal, facilities?


No, I'm saying that non-kosher cooking facilities are entirely incompatible with the demands of kosher. The possibility of "contamination" makes it impractical for them to share the same kitchen, as even a small "offense" can render the whole place treif, or "unfit".

The requirements for keeping a kitchen kosher are insanely rigorous. And at Passover? Forget it.

So for practical purposes, unless you intend to force EVERYONE to eat kosher food, you either need two entirely separate kitchens - or - separate facilities.

In any case, I fail to see why taxpayers should foot the bill for those who follow the dietary demands of any silly religious superstition.

Ahh, so not "Separate but equal" but "Gentiles only".

Got it.



No, as one poster pointed out earlier, many (most?) Jews don't give a shekel about ancient Jewish dietary superstitions.
 
2012-01-31 03:22:28 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: W. Mittens Soetoro Fartromney


Jesus that is so childish.

It's Fartney, not Fartromney.
 
2012-01-31 03:23:22 PM
Does anyone have that pick from Fox News that shows how the candidates were polling in Iowa? The one where they "accidentally" put Obama's face over the "Romney" caption while the rest of them had the correct glamour shots?
 
2012-01-31 03:24:42 PM

King Something: Does anyone have that pick from Fox News that shows how the candidates were polling in Iowa? The one where they "accidentally" put Obama's face over the "Romney" caption while the rest of them had the correct glamour shots?


A quick GIS of 'fox obama romney' yields a bit.
 
2012-01-31 03:25:35 PM

Tatsuma: Oh and the worst thing about this is that Romney's veto was actually overturned, which means that no, Holocaust survivors were not in any way forced halal pig thanks to Taxomney McMormoncare



But he vetoed it nonetheless. So, the "worst thing" about this is what, exactly? That Romney is getting called out for something he actually tried to do? You have got to be the most disingenous Farker I have ever seen - anybody else does anything that even approaches the point of offending your ethno-religious sensibilities and they're Kapos and Nazis.

But Romney gets a pass?

Why you shilling? Certainly not because of any concern for the USA, lol.
 
2012-01-31 03:27:00 PM
I can hardly wait to see the poll results from Broward, South Palm Beach, West Palm Beach, and Miami counties.
 
2012-01-31 03:27:09 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: You have got to be the most disingenous Farker I have ever seen - anybody else does anything that even approaches the point of offending your ethno-religious sensibilities and they're Kapos and Nazis.


img21.imageshack.us
 
2012-01-31 03:27:28 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Ahh, so not "Separate but equal" but "Gentiles only".

Got it.


Considering that Gentile means "everybody except us special people", I don't see how it is even entertained as a legitimate position.
 
2012-01-31 03:29:15 PM

GWLush: Romney hates Fidler on the Roof!


I heard he walked out during Yentl.
 
2012-01-31 03:29:44 PM

James!: sweetmelissa31: To be fair... as much as I can't stand Newt... I've met many Holocaust survivors in my day and most of them weren't Kosher. My grandparents, who were Kosher all their lives, get Meals on Wheels now and don't care that it isn't Kosher.

Are they not concerned that the Jewish God Kabbala will send them to Jewish hell?

/I don't know much about religion.


No weh!!!

/yah, weh...
 
2012-01-31 03:30:15 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I hate both these guys so much, I really don't know which one to root for. No matter who wins, he still has to be slaughtered by Obama.


I personally do not root for Newt on the basis that Obama would merk him in an election because that operates under the assumption that Newt would compete fairly. I don't want him anywhere near a ballot.
 
2012-01-31 03:33:30 PM
I wonder how interested in keeping kosher the starving victims in concentration camps would have been were a side of pork to appear.

Religious nonsense is nonsense. All of it.
 
2012-01-31 03:34:26 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Philip Francis Queeg: Ahh, so not "Separate but equal" but "Gentiles only".

Got it.

Considering that Gentile means "everybody except us special people", I don't see how it is even entertained as a legitimate position.


Sounds like you take that whole "chosen" thing personally.
 
2012-01-31 03:35:32 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: I wonder how interested in keeping kosher the starving victims in concentration camps would have been were a side of pork to appear.

Religious nonsense is nonsense. All of it.


Oh, I see now. You're just ignorant. Blather on then.
 
2012-01-31 03:36:39 PM

GWLush: Romney hates Fidler on the Roof!


He stays long enough for "If I Were A Rich Man".

After every verse he interrupts by shouting "DId that!" "Already got that!" "Yep, that's me!"

Then he leaves in the middle of the uproar, goes home, and all day long he biddy biddy bums.
 
2012-01-31 03:36:40 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Religious nonsense is nonsense. All of it.


THIS x 1,000,000
 
2012-01-31 03:36:59 PM
I'm waiting for Gingrich to make Hava Nagila his theme song.
 
2012-01-31 03:38:08 PM

Impasse: King Something: Does anyone have that pick from Fox News that shows how the candidates were polling in Iowa? The one where they "accidentally" put Obama's face over the "Romney" caption while the rest of them had the correct glamour shots?

A quick GIS of 'fox obama romney' yields a bit.


www.mediaite.com
Thanks.
 
2012-01-31 03:38:28 PM

muck4doo: Oh, I see now. You're just ignorant. Blather on then.


yeah, i hope that's not news for you


and for those who are interested, the Torah says 'That you should live [by those commandments]', meaning that your life has priority except in three situations, and you are allowed to break Torah to save it. Not just allowed, but mandated to, in fact.
 
2012-01-31 03:40:45 PM

FlashHarry: Captain_Ballbeard: Religious nonsense is nonsense. All of it.

THIS x 1,000,000


Look guys! Atheists!

/not a fark is given
 
2012-01-31 03:41:34 PM
The funny thing is that there probably a bunch of people of the Jewish persuasion that supported Romney's program because it made fiscal and dietary sense. Now it's used against him. Too funny.
 
2012-01-31 03:44:10 PM
NEWSFLASH: Romney just took a shiat in a deli.
 
2012-01-31 03:46:27 PM

GWLush: GWLush: Romney hates Fidler on the Roof!

and Fiddler on the Roof too!


It's FL so....

Fidel'er on the Roof?
 
2012-01-31 03:47:30 PM

DeltaPunch: ecmoRandomNumbers: I hate both these guys so much, I really don't know which one to root for. No matter who wins, he still has to be slaughtered by Obama.

True, but it's going to be ugly. Over $30 million was spent in Florida over the last 10 days, and 92% of it was negative. In the general election each candidate will have close to a billion dollars... I get sick just thinking about what we're in for.


Think of the number of kosher meals that would have paid for.
 
2012-01-31 03:49:40 PM

lohphat: DeltaPunch: ecmoRandomNumbers: I hate both these guys so much, I really don't know which one to root for. No matter who wins, he still has to be slaughtered by Obama.

True, but it's going to be ugly. Over $30 million was spent in Florida over the last 10 days, and 92% of it was negative. In the general election each candidate will have close to a billion dollars... I get sick just thinking about what we're in for.

Think of the number of kosher meals that would have paid for.


For Holocaust Survivors at that. Old people eat smaller portions.
 
2012-01-31 03:56:32 PM

Tatsuma: and for those who are interested, the Torah says 'That you should live [by those commandments]', meaning that your life has priority except in three situations, and you are allowed to break Torah to save it. Not just allowed, but mandated to, in fact.


Then the issues behind this story should be a non-issue, right?

lol
 
2012-01-31 03:58:47 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I hate both these guys so much, I really don't know which one to root for. No matter who wins, he still has to be slaughtered by Obama.


If you really can't decide who the better person is, remember that Gingrich divorced his second wife when she came down with a debilitating life-disease, Multiple Sclerosis. Mitt stayed with her and weathers the storm. Yes I know they would both repeal HCR in a heartbeat, and neither of them cares about poor people with MS who struggle to make it on their own. (new window) Still, they are nonetheless distinguishable from one another.
 
2012-01-31 04:01:07 PM
Our house is covered. My new oven has the Sabbath mode option.
Never knew what that was all about.
I figured it would pump out punishing riffs while I fried my bacon in the morning.
 
2012-01-31 04:02:05 PM

muck4doo: You're just ignorant.



Ignorant of the 3000 year old rules of goat herding pedophiles?

Proudly. Never a percentage in following anybody down into crazy.
 
2012-01-31 04:10:53 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: You're just ignorant.


Ignorant of the 3000 year old rules of goat herding pedophiles?

Proudly. Never a percentage in following anybody down into crazy.


Lulz, Bunch of goat herding pedo dirty brown peoples they were. Too bad they couldn't have been smart, like you. What did they ever accomplish anyways? While yourself, well, just look. Posting hateful things on the internet is the epitome of a new rational thought process.
 
2012-01-31 04:20:58 PM
And we thought the primaries were going to be boring without Palin!
 
2012-01-31 04:24:28 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: I heard when Mitt Romney toured Israel, he took a dump on it. On several occasion!

 
2012-01-31 04:26:55 PM

muck4doo: What did they ever accomplish anyways?


They succeeded in wiping out every man, woman and child in a few civilizations because somebody heard a voice in his head.
 
2012-01-31 04:29:08 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: What did they ever accomplish anyways?

They succeeded in wiping out every man, woman and child in a few civilizationstowns because somebody heard a voice in his head.


Funny how you don't believe in anything they have to say except that part. Go on with your hate, you rational and smart man you. Fark those goat herders!
 
2012-01-31 04:35:01 PM
I heard that multiple Holocaust survivors died in MA while Bacon McRomney was governor.

Number of Holocaust survivors who died while Newt Gingrich was governor of the moon? Zero.

Your choice is clear, Jewish community.
 
2012-01-31 04:38:41 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: What did they ever accomplish anyways?

They succeeded in wiping out every man, woman and child in a few civilizations because somebody heard a voice in his head.


1.bp.blogspot.com

I find religion silly myself and can't stand it when it's crammed down my throat. It seems your trying to do the same thing but in reverse.
 
2012-01-31 04:46:13 PM
He shoulda gone with "Romney has a black love child", like GWB did to McCain in 2000. That was way kewl, since McCain did in fact have an adopted black child, who he was so ashamed of that he left the poor kid off the official campaign family photos. Which is kinda karma for both the republican douche bags
 
2012-01-31 04:51:17 PM

AlinaJoan: Why does everything go back to Nazis?


Because socialism.

Thanks to Drew Curtis's fark.com, I've learned that it's always because socialism.
 
2012-01-31 04:51:44 PM
Romney just punched an actual goat herder, in the cock, after reading the comments here.
 
2012-01-31 04:57:56 PM
Priest and a Rabbi were, by coincidence, sitting next to each other on a long flight.

About an hour passes and not a single word was exchanged by the two men. Finally, the Priest turns to the Rabbi and says, "Rabbi, do you mind if I ask you a personal question"? The Rabbi said, "Of course, you may."

"I understand that many of you Jewish people, especially Rabbis, keep kosher and, as such, don't eat things like bacon or ham". The Rabbi acknowledged that. "Haven't you ever even tasted bacon or ham?", asked the Priest.

The Rabbi explained, "Many years ago, I was a visiting Rabbi in a small town in the middle of nowhere and found myself in a diner one Sunday morning. There was no one around so I ordered bacon and eggs. It was quite good but that was the only time that ever happened."

After some time, the Rabbi turned to the Priest and said, "Father, do you mind if you ask you a very personal question"? The Priest said OK.

"You Priests take an oath of celibacy, right"?, asked the Rabbi. "Why, yes", answered the Priest, wondering where this was going.

"Well, haven't you ever had sex since you've become as Priest"?, asked the Rabbi.

The Priest looked about nervous, leaned toward the rabbi and answered very softly, "As a young parishioner I was approached by a troubled woman who was looking for my guidance. She was a beautiful, young woman and one thing led to another. So, yes, just once I had sex with a woman".

A few moments pass and the Rabbi leans over to the Priest and says, "A lot better than pork, isn't it?"
 
2012-01-31 04:59:52 PM
Thank goodness they didn't have to eat Soylent Gingrich. Like this person, or is this the contents.

i463.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-31 05:00:21 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: What did they ever accomplish anyways?

They succeeded in wiping out every man, woman and child in a few civilizations because somebody heard a voice in his head.


Look, I think religious food laws are as stupid as the next sneering, contemptuous, malodorous atheist. But let's save the outrage for when someone is trying to force us to follow their rules, not when someone decides (presumably, of their own free will) to follow them.

/I felt it would flow better with a third adjective. I just couldn't come up with another relevant one.
 
2012-01-31 05:08:52 PM
I'm pretty sure that anyone who survived the concentration camps has already eaten their fair share of non kosher foods.
 
2012-01-31 05:09:36 PM

Jacobin: He shoulda gone with "Romney has a black love child", like GWB did to McCain in 2000. That was way kewl, since McCain did in fact have an adopted black child, who he was so ashamed of that he left the poor kid off the official campaign family photos. Which is kinda karma for both the republican douche bags


His adopted daughter isn't black.

29.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-01-31 05:12:01 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Look, I think religious food laws are as stupid as the next sneering, contemptuous, malodorous atheist. But let's save the outrage for when someone is trying to force us to follow their rules, not when someone decides (presumably, of their own free will) to follow them.


It's forced on us every day. I have no interest in being polite about it. AIPAC, the Christian Coalition and Salt Lake City all exist for no other reason than to force things on us. Fark em.
 
2012-01-31 05:16:35 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: What did they ever accomplish anyways?

They succeeded in wiping out every man, woman and child in a few civilizations because somebody heard a voice in his head.

Look, I think religious food laws are as stupid as the next sneering, contemptuous, malodorous atheist. But let's save the outrage for when someone is trying to force us to follow their rules, not when someone decides (presumably, of their own free will) to follow them.



Or when they expect tax dollars to subsidize their religious food fetishes?

Keeping kosher kitchens kan be kostly.


/I kan haz alliteration?
 
2012-01-31 05:18:44 PM

Amos Quito: /I kan haz alliteration?


Finish your gefilte fish first.
 
2012-01-31 05:22:23 PM

skullkrusher: Jacobin: He shoulda gone with "Romney has a black love child", like GWB did to McCain in 2000. That was way kewl, since McCain did in fact have an adopted black child, who he was so ashamed of that he left the poor kid off the official campaign family photos. Which is kinda karma for both the republican douche bags

His adopted daughter isn't black.

[29.media.tumblr.com image 375x500]


While you are TECHNICALLY correct (the best kind of correct), do you really think South Carolina Republicans would know the difference? You think they'd see past the fact that she has dark brown skin?

/IIRC, she's from either India or SE Asia
 
2012-01-31 05:22:51 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: I May Be Crazy But...: Look, I think religious food laws are as stupid as the next sneering, contemptuous, malodorous atheist. But let's save the outrage for when someone is trying to force us to follow their rules, not when someone decides (presumably, of their own free will) to follow them.

It's forced on us every day. I have no interest in being polite about it. AIPAC, the Christian Coalition and Salt Lake City all exist for no other reason than to force things on us. Fark em.


Right, and when Utah decides that the state government needs to get into the liquor business, and legislate a monopoly no less, every right thinking person in Utah ought to have voted out their congressman, if not more. And when ignorant, asshole fundamentalists try to make the government call gay folks less than human, they should be called out for being, well, ignorant assholes.

But when someone decides that they want to not eat a certain food for religious reasons, what business is it of yours? Are you that offended by the idea that some people don't like mushrooms also? As long as you want people to let you live your life as you see fit, you shouldn't criticize them for doing the same.
 
2012-01-31 05:26:55 PM

Amos Quito: I May Be Crazy But...: Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: What did they ever accomplish anyways?

They succeeded in wiping out every man, woman and child in a few civilizations because somebody heard a voice in his head.

Look, I think religious food laws are as stupid as the next sneering, contemptuous, malodorous atheist. But let's save the outrage for when someone is trying to force us to follow their rules, not when someone decides (presumably, of their own free will) to follow them.


Or when they expect tax dollars to subsidize their religious food fetishes?

Keeping kosher kitchens kan be kostly.


/I kan haz alliteration?


Captain_Ballbeard: Amos Quito: /I kan haz alliteration?

Finish your gefilte fish first.


Amos, I know you're smarter than this. Don't go down the low road with dip shiat there. All of those meals are tax subsidized. It doesn't matter if they are vegan, kosher, halal, no sacred cow please, no sugar I am diabetic please, or anything else like that for the matter. Not everyone eats the same stuff. That you two get so irrational and hateful about one particular little group says loads for yourselves, and not the program. Especially Captain Ballschin who only wants to believe just the bad things he thinks the jews might have done in history. Otherwise they're pedo goat herders.
 
2012-01-31 05:27:45 PM

Sgt Otter: If it was anybody but Newt, I'd assume anything THAT sleazy must have been a false-flag plant.


I honestly believe that "false-flag plants" are the only way superPACs are ever going to go away.
 
2012-01-31 05:28:39 PM

Amos Quito: I May Be Crazy But...: Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: What did they ever accomplish anyways?

They succeeded in wiping out every man, woman and child in a few civilizations because somebody heard a voice in his head.

Look, I think religious food laws are as stupid as the next sneering, contemptuous, malodorous atheist. But let's save the outrage for when someone is trying to force us to follow their rules, not when someone decides (presumably, of their own free will) to follow them.


Or when they expect tax dollars to subsidize their religious food fetishes?

Keeping kosher kitchens kan be kostly.


/I kan haz alliteration?


I think the solution of busing it in from somewhere else is a great idea. Sounds like a way to save money, while still providing them with kosher food. It'll still probably be more expensive than not providing them with kosher food, but I also don't think that people give up their basic human rights when they have to go into assisted living.

You maybe should have gone with "Keeping kosher kitchens kan kreate kosts."
 
2012-01-31 05:29:32 PM

sprawl15: A holocaust happens on the German-Polish border. Where do the Allies bury the survivors?


I find it rather appalling that the Allies would bury people alive.

//Ja wohl!
 
2012-01-31 05:29:51 PM

King Something: skullkrusher: Jacobin: He shoulda gone with "Romney has a black love child", like GWB did to McCain in 2000. That was way kewl, since McCain did in fact have an adopted black child, who he was so ashamed of that he left the poor kid off the official campaign family photos. Which is kinda karma for both the republican douche bags

His adopted daughter isn't black.

[29.media.tumblr.com image 375x500]

While you are TECHNICALLY correct (the best kind of correct), do you really think South Carolina Republicans would know the difference? You think they'd see past the fact that she has dark brown skin?

/IIRC, she's from either India or SE Asia


she's from Bangladesh. He had her on stage at the RNC. It doesn't seem like he was trying to hide her.
 
2012-01-31 05:37:30 PM

muck4doo: Amos, I know you're smarter than this. Don't go down the low road with dip shiat there. All of those meals are tax subsidized. It doesn't matter if they are vegan, kosher, halal, no sacred cow please, no sugar I am diabetic please, or anything else like that for the matter. Not everyone eats the same stuff. That you two get so irrational and hateful about one particular little group says loads for yourselves, and not the program. Especially Captain Ballschin who only wants to believe just the bad things he thinks the jews might have done in history. Otherwise they're pedo goat herders.


Oh, shove it up your ass. It doesn't make them anti-semitic to say that Jewish law mandates some ridiculous things is the modern world. Conservative Jews are forced to conform to stupid rules. And it's their right to, but that doesn't mean nobody can think they're stupid.

The pedo goat herders comment was certainly inflammatory, though.
 
2012-01-31 05:38:47 PM
Meanwhile Obama smiles beatifically down from his mountain of untouched campaign cash. Seriously, if this campaign gets any more handicapped they might end up pulling the plug on it before the actual election.
 
2012-01-31 05:44:48 PM

I May Be Crazy But...:
I think the solution of busing it in from somewhere else is a great idea. Sounds like a way to save money, while still providing them with kosher food. It'll still probably be more expensive than not providing them with kosher food, but I also don't think that people give up their basic human rights when they have to go into assisted living.


I will agree, surely there is a place the makes kosher or halal food nearby and it can be transported to several retirement communities. That way there is enough demand and lower cost to the nursing home. HOWEVER i think they should keep some pre-made or simple foods on hand in case new admittance, after-hours, and inclement weather preventing deliveries.
 
2012-01-31 05:46:27 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Mitt Romney: Just like Hitler

I'm Newt Gingrich, and I approve this message.


Actually, the call is implying that Romney is worse than Hitler.

"Holocaust survivors, who for the first time, were forced to eat non-kosher"

Even the Nazis didn't force Jews to eat non-kosher!
 
2012-01-31 05:47:50 PM

sweetmelissa31: To be fair... as much as I can't stand Newt... I've met many Holocaust survivors in my day and most of them weren't Kosher.


Yeah, if I believed in a God who let me go through the Holocaust, I don't think I'd care too much what he didn't want me to eat.
 
2012-01-31 05:50:32 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: muck4doo: Amos, I know you're smarter than this. Don't go down the low road with dip shiat there. All of those meals are tax subsidized. It doesn't matter if they are vegan, kosher, halal, no sacred cow please, no sugar I am diabetic please, or anything else like that for the matter. Not everyone eats the same stuff. That you two get so irrational and hateful about one particular little group says loads for yourselves, and not the program. Especially Captain Ballschin who only wants to believe just the bad things he thinks the jews might have done in history. Otherwise they're pedo goat herders.

Oh, shove it up your ass. It doesn't make them anti-semitic to say that Jewish law mandates some ridiculous things is the modern world. Conservative Jews are forced to conform to stupid rules. And it's their right to, but that doesn't mean nobody can think they're stupid.

The pedo goat herders comment was certainly inflammatory, though.


Another ignorant one. They are forced? But it's their right to? I think vegans are stupid. Where is the uproar in that they are getting special meals? Oh right, there isn't any. It's the same group of people these same two are constantly mad at. Sorry if you're new here. If you need more context for ballchins dwell on his goat herder pedo rhetoric. Amazing the hate that is acceptable on fark so long as it is PC.
 
2012-01-31 05:51:29 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: The pedo goat herders comment was certainly inflammatory, though.


More of a play on the same insult being hurled at Islam, quite a popular tactic a few years back. When did God/Allah/WTF decide that farking kids was not ok? Is that change order on the record like when Idahovah said no more polygamy because he was scared of the Federal Govt?
 
2012-01-31 05:55:14 PM

muck4doo: Another ignorant one. They are forced? But it's their right to? I think vegans are stupid. Where is the uproar in that they are getting special meals? Oh right, there isn't any. It's the same group of people these same two are constantly mad at. Sorry if you're new here. If you need more context for ballchins dwell on his goat herder pedo rhetoric. Amazing the hate that is acceptable on fark so long as it is PC.


www.redstate.com
 
2012-01-31 05:56:08 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: I May Be Crazy But...: The pedo goat herders comment was certainly inflammatory, though.

More of a play on the same insult being hurled at Islam, quite a popular tactic a few years back. When did God/Allah/WTF decide that farking kids was not ok? Is that change order on the record like when Idahovah said no more polygamy because he was scared of the Federal Govt?


And it is/was a stupid comment to make on Islam too. Good to know you're not above it. Got you farkied in yellow for just another person fearful of those different from them.
 
2012-01-31 05:57:46 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: Another ignorant one. They are forced? But it's their right to? I think vegans are stupid. Where is the uproar in that they are getting special meals? Oh right, there isn't any. It's the same group of people these same two are constantly mad at. Sorry if you're new here. If you need more context for ballchins dwell on his goat herder pedo rhetoric. Amazing the hate that is acceptable on fark so long as it is PC.

[www.redstate.com image 500x301]


I may be mad, but I'll get over it. You'll still be stupid for the rest of your life.
 
2012-01-31 06:00:30 PM

muck4doo: Another ignorant one. They are forced? But it's their right to? I think vegans are stupid. Where is the uproar in that they are getting special meals? Oh right, there isn't any. It's the same group of people these same two are constantly mad at. Sorry if you're new here. If you need more context for ballchins dwell on his goat herder pedo rhetoric. Amazing the hate that is acceptable on fark so long as it is PC.


You're right, forced was probably not the right word. So rephrase it as, Conservative Jews follow a set of laws which mandate stupid behaviors. It is their right to follow such laws, but that doesn't mean other people can't think the laws are stupid. If you think there's nobody who thinks vegans should be forced to eat animal products, or insults vegans for their personal choice, then you've never seen a thread on the subject.

Captain_Ballbeard: I May Be Crazy But...: The pedo goat herders comment was certainly inflammatory, though.

More of a play on the same insult being hurled at Islam, quite a popular tactic a few years back. When did God/Allah/WTF decide that farking kids was not ok? Is that change order on the record like when Idahovah said no more polygamy because he was scared of the Federal Govt?


Hey, just 'cause you're cribbing it from somewhere doesn't make it unoffensive. Also, "Idahovah" is kinda funny.
 
2012-01-31 06:00:35 PM

skullkrusher: Jacobin: He shoulda gone with "Romney has a black love child", like GWB did to McCain in 2000. That was way kewl, since McCain did in fact have an adopted black child, who he was so ashamed of that he left the poor kid off the official campaign family photos. Which is kinda karma for both the republican douche bags

His adopted daughter isn't black.

[29.media.tumblr.com image 375x500]


Looks black to some people (and that was the point of the campaign).
 
2012-01-31 06:01:21 PM

muck4doo: And it is/was a stupid comment to make on Islam too.


And I am sure you were front and center shouting that down, weren't you? I put Muslims in the same Crazy/Stupid pigeonhole as anybody who believes in magical creatures, vegans, crystal rubbers, dupes who blow their money on "organic" foods and wrestling fans.
 
2012-01-31 06:05:19 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: And it is/was a stupid comment to make on Islam too.

And I am sure you were front and center shouting that down, weren't you? I put Muslims in the same Crazy/Stupid pigeonhole as anybody who believes in magical creatures, vegans, crystal rubbers, dupes who blow their money on "organic" foods and wrestling fans.


Humility apparently isn't a virtue you particularly cherish.
 
2012-01-31 06:07:09 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I always request the kosher meal on flights because you get that little pastry thing.


What is this 'meal' you speak of on flights?

All I got was felt up by security..Nobody bought ME dinner!
 
2012-01-31 06:07:52 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: And it is/was a stupid comment to make on Islam too.

And I am sure you were front and center shouting that down, weren't you? I put Muslims in the same Crazy/Stupid pigeonhole as anybody who believes in magical creatures, vegans, crystal rubbers, dupes who blow their money on "organic" foods and wrestling fans.


Whoa whoa whoa! Slow that down there!

i.qkme.me
 
2012-01-31 06:08:11 PM

beerrun: Our house is covered. My new oven has the Sabbath mode option.
Never knew what that was all about.


Shabbat mode is, b'kitzur (jewish way of saying 'in short', more or less):

If the temp for the oven is set to 350f, in regular oven it will make sure that it stays at 350f all the time, meaning that if you open the door, the temperature of the room (if under or over 350f) will affect the temperature inside the oven. This means that the electric thingies inside the oven will activate automatically and adjust the temp so it stays 350.

Shabbat mode, on the other hand, insures that the temp that is generated from inside the oven will stay an equal 350f temp, even if the door is opened, and will not activate those electronic thingies, ensuring we can open the oven on shabbat.
 
2012-01-31 06:10:59 PM
I don't know many Jews who keep kosher. The boyfriend doesn't, neither does anyone in his family. As he put it once, "When I die, I'm going in the ground. Who cares what's in my stomach before that?"

The man makes a good point.
 
2012-01-31 06:11:37 PM

Tatsuma: beerrun: Our house is covered. My new oven has the Sabbath mode option.
Never knew what that was all about.

Shabbat mode is, b'kitzur (jewish way of saying 'in short', more or less):

If the temp for the oven is set to 350f, in regular oven it will make sure that it stays at 350f all the time, meaning that if you open the door, the temperature of the room (if under or over 350f) will affect the temperature inside the oven. This means that the electric thingies inside the oven will activate automatically and adjust the temp so it stays 350.

Shabbat mode, on the other hand, insures that the temp that is generated from inside the oven will stay an equal 350f temp, even if the door is opened, and will not activate those electronic thingies, ensuring we can open the oven on shabbat.


You don't happen to know how that works, do you? I'm curious, but too lazy to do he research for myself.

My understanding was also that most new ovens or stoves will turn off after a while. So it keeps them from turning off, so they don't have to be turned back on. I'll admit, I've never tried it to find out. And maybe we're talking about the same thing.
 
2012-01-31 06:11:44 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: And it is/was a stupid comment to make on Islam too.

And I am sure you were front and center shouting that down, weren't you? I put Muslims in the same Crazy/Stupid pigeonhole as anybody who believes in magical creatures, vegans, crystal rubbers, dupes who blow their money on "organic" foods and wrestling fans.


Yes, I have and still do. Don't be a hateful twat.
 
2012-01-31 06:12:19 PM

Tatsuma: beerrun: Our house is covered. My new oven has the Sabbath mode option.
Never knew what that was all about.

Shabbat mode is, b'kitzur (jewish way of saying 'in short', more or less):

If the temp for the oven is set to 350f, in regular oven it will make sure that it stays at 350f all the time, meaning that if you open the door, the temperature of the room (if under or over 350f) will affect the temperature inside the oven. This means that the electric thingies inside the oven will activate automatically and adjust the temp so it stays 350.

Shabbat mode, on the other hand, insures that the temp that is generated from inside the oven will stay an equal 350f temp, even if the door is opened, and will not activate those electronic thingies, ensuring we can open the oven on shabbat.


Just like Moses used to do with his electric oven.

/shakes head
 
2012-01-31 06:12:56 PM

Coco LaFemme: I don't know many Jews who keep kosher. The boyfriend doesn't, neither does anyone in his family. As he put it once, "When I die, I'm going in the ground. Who cares what's in my stomach before that?"

The man makes a good point.


Personally, I'd prefer to die with a stomach full of good barbecue. I mean, if you're giving me a choice.
 
2012-01-31 06:16:19 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: You don't happen to know how that works, do you? I'm curious, but too lazy to do he research for myself.

My understanding was also that most new ovens or stoves will turn off after a while. So it keeps them from turning off, so they don't have to be turned back on. I'll admit, I've never tried it to find out. And maybe we're talking about the same thing.


Well it's very simple:

In a closed environment, they know that X amount of [whatever electrical current going on through the machine] gives enough [whatever that's supposed to be] power to keep the temp inside as 350 degrees.

The difference between Shabbat mode and non-Shabbat mood is quite simple.


If there is a change in the environment:

Shabbat mode: the amount of electrical current giving off the amount of power needed for 350f will stay the same
non-Shabbat mode: the amount of electrical current giving off the amount of power needed for 350f will adjust based on the new conditions

That's basically it, really
 
2012-01-31 06:17:29 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Tatsuma: beerrun: Our house is covered. My new oven has the Sabbath mode option.
Never knew what that was all about.

Shabbat mode is, b'kitzur (jewish way of saying 'in short', more or less):

If the temp for the oven is set to 350f, in regular oven it will make sure that it stays at 350f all the time, meaning that if you open the door, the temperature of the room (if under or over 350f) will affect the temperature inside the oven. This means that the electric thingies inside the oven will activate automatically and adjust the temp so it stays 350.

Shabbat mode, on the other hand, insures that the temp that is generated from inside the oven will stay an equal 350f temp, even if the door is opened, and will not activate those electronic thingies, ensuring we can open the oven on shabbat.

Just like Moses used to do with his electric oven.

/shakes head


I'm pretty sure Moses ate a lot of take out, he was on the move a lot.
 
2012-01-31 06:18:37 PM
Holocaust survivors, who for the first time,were forced to eat non-kosher,

Yes. I believe the nazis made an effort to feed the jews kosher food
 
2012-01-31 06:19:09 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I hate both these guys so much, I really don't know which one to root for. No matter who wins, he still has to be slaughtered by Obama.


As long as its kosher slaughter, the Jewish voters will be happy.
 
2012-01-31 06:52:00 PM

Ayn Rand's Cervix: Yes. I believe the nazis made an effort to feed the jews kosher food


it probably was, actually. i don't think they got very much meat, or cheese, (or seafood), the food was likely untouched by goyim. from what i understand, they mostly ate some onion soup and sawdust enhanced bread, a few hundred calories a day.
 
2012-01-31 07:10:20 PM
Shabbat mode: the amount of electrical current giving off the amount of power needed for 350f will stay the same
non-Shabbat mode: the amount of electrical current giving off the amount of power needed for 350f will adjust based on the new conditions


Apparently Moses was a pretty shiatty physicist too.
 
2012-01-31 07:37:48 PM
Hey Amos Quito,

A week ago I asked you a question at the tail end of a thread, and I guess you never saw it (in time), and I would still like a reply, if you please:

In response to The First Four Black Sabbath Albums you said,

Amos Quito: Seems to me that your problem is one of identity, and that your solution is simple: Stop identifying yourself as a "Jew", stop telling everyone that you're a Jew, refuse to be dragged into the shiatstorms that the Zionists stir up and simply start acting like a Human American who is interested in furthering the best interests of Humans in general and Americans in particular - and encourage other "Jews" to do the same.

Amos, is this your prescription for yourself and for everyone?

That the Irish don't identify as Irish, the Catholic as Catholic, the Iranians as Iranian, the Muslims as Muslim, the queer as queer, the feminist as feminist, blacks as black?

Since you seem to prescribe for us what we should believe and how we should act in these issues, will you tell us what your ethnic, religious, and cultural background is? So that we can better understand literally where you come from and what you are going to give up?

Or is this only a prescription for the Jews?
 
2012-01-31 07:45:27 PM

muck4doo: Amos, I know you're smarter than this. Don't go down the low road with dip shiat there. All of those meals are tax subsidized. It doesn't matter if they are vegan, kosher, halal, no sacred cow please, no sugar I am diabetic please, or anything else like that for the matter. Not everyone eats the same stuff.



I don't know how familiar you are with the rules of Kashrus, but there is utterly no comparison to Vegan, vegetarian, or even Halal.

Here's a brief.

Meats: Most meats are not kosher (pork, shellfish, any fish that doesn't have both scales and fins, many brds, etc), and of those animals that are permissible, only certain cuts are often acceptable (beef hind quarters not used due to prohibition of the sciatic nerve). Animals must be ritualistically slaughtered (throat slit - no stunning) and the meat treated with salt (to remove any trace of blood). In non-home settings, ALL of this must be supervised by kashrut specialists to ensure that no violation has occurred. As you might imagine, this means that kosher meat (especially beef) is considerably more expensive.

Separation: One of the most arduous factors in kashrus is the prohibition of mixing any meat or meat derivative with any dairy product or derivative - or of eating the two within six hours of one another. Rules along these lines are so strict that kosher restaurants will generally serve either meat dishes OR dairy dishes, but not both. Even the utensils used to prepare meat dishes cannot be used to prepare/handle dairy dishes and vice versa without undergoing a ritual kasherization. Kosher households will often have two ovens (one for meat, one for dairy) and THREE sets of utensils, cookware and china: One for meat, one for dairy, and a special separate set for Passover (which is a whole other story).

As I said earlier, these day most Jews are not at all strict WRT keeping kosher, as it is difficult, expensive and cumbersome - but those Jews who do keep strictly kosher are DAMN SERIOUS, to the point that non-kosher foods cannot be prepared in the same kitchen as kosher foods unless the whole place is "sanitized" from top to bottom to ensure that no cross-contamination might take place.

(I should point out that this has less to do with "normal" sanitation (bacteria, etc) and more to do with ritual separation from prohibited items)

By comparison, the restrictions of Halal and vegetarian/Vegan foods are minimal - especially in that there is no expectation that separate utensils and china be used, let alone separate kitchens. And that is why kosher is "special" - specially expensive and specially difficult.

Of course these religious/moral dietary restrictions cannot be compared to those prescribed for health conditions such as diabetes, lactose intolerance etc, any more than a religious style of dress can be compared to orthopedic shoes. It is purely a matter of choice, and while these choices should be respected and accommodations made where possible, the public should no more be required to pick up the tab for religious foods than they should be required to pay for houses of worship.

So how do we care for the elderly and disabled who want to observe such dietary practices but cannot afford to do so? Well that role should be undertaken by their coreligionists, should it not? And it is not as though funds are lacking. If Newt's financial backer can afford to dump $100 million so that American Jewish youth can visit the "Homeland" under "Birthright Israel" and tens of millions more to Yad Vashem (Israel's official Holocaust Museum) one would think that he and some of his pals could spare a few bucks to help elderly and indigent Jews keep kosher, no?

Same goes for Muslims, Seventh Day Adventists, etc, BTW.

I hope that clarifies my position a bit.
 
2012-01-31 08:04:23 PM

Amos Quito: muck4doo: Amos, I know you're smarter than this. Don't go down the low road with dip shiat there. All of those meals are tax subsidized. It doesn't matter if they are vegan, kosher, halal, no sacred cow please, no sugar I am diabetic please, or anything else like that for the matter. Not everyone eats the same stuff.


I don't know how familiar you are with the rules of Kashrus, but there is utterly no comparison to Vegan, vegetarian, or even Halal.

Here's a brief.

Meats: Most meats are not kosher (pork, shellfish, any fish that doesn't have both scales and fins, many brds, etc), and of those animals that are permissible, only certain cuts are often acceptable (beef hind quarters not used due to prohibition of the sciatic nerve). Animals must be ritualistically slaughtered (throat slit - no stunning) and the meat treated with salt (to remove any trace of blood). In non-home settings, ALL of this must be supervised by kashrut specialists to ensure that no violation has occurred. As you might imagine, this means that kosher meat (especially beef) is considerably more expensive.

Separation: One of the most arduous factors in kashrus is the prohibition of mixing any meat or meat derivative with any dairy product or derivative - or of eating the two within six hours of one another. Rules along these lines are so strict that kosher restaurants will generally serve either meat dishes OR dairy dishes, but not both. Even the utensils used to prepare meat dishes cannot be used to prepare/handle dairy dishes and vice versa without undergoing a ritual kasherization. Kosher households will often have two ovens (one for meat, one for dairy) and THREE sets of utensils, cookware and china: One for meat, one for dairy, and a special separate set for Passover (which is a whole other story).

As I said earlier, these day most Jews are not at all strict WRT keeping kosher, as it is difficult, expensive and cumbersome - but those Jews who do keep strictly kosher are DAMN SERIOUS, to ...


Your position was already clear. You are angry at Jews. Nice job you did though as to explaining why they deserve more anger and hate directed at them than other groups. It really saddens me that you take those kind of positions. You're a smart person, but cling to stupid ideas with whatever triggered your hate. I don't think you're a racist. You've been far acceptable off all cultures except for one little group. Why is that? Why so much hate for that one little group? I really hope you can figure it out one day, and come to peace with yourself.

/No. You shouldn't be the person to decide what they should, and shouldn't eat.
//Neither are the angry people who agree with you.
 
2012-01-31 08:21:14 PM

RoyBatty: Hey Amos Quito,

A week ago I asked you a question at the tail end of a thread, and I guess you never saw it (in time), and I would still like a reply, if you please:

In response to The First Four Black Sabbath Albums you said,



(MODS, PLEASE DON'T SPANK ME FOR THREADJACKING. THANKS)

Before I answer, I think it would be helpful to view my full statement in the full context of what The First Four Black Sabbath Albums actually said (otherwise it might seem confusing).

Please note the bolded:

QUOTE:

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: So, I am generally considered a Jew. I don't believe in God. I don't really follow the Jewish religion. But, my mom is Jewish, so I was considered Jewish enough to get a free trip to Israel. There, they tried to fill me with Zionist propaganda. But, I did get to go to a bunch of cool places and eat free food. So, I can't complain.

That being said, the level of anti-Semitism in this thread disturbs me. I'm not talking about being anti-funding for Israel. I'm talking about hatred of Jews. It makes me feel unsafe to be an American knowing there is such open hostility toward Jews. It's disgusting. If you have a problem with religious freedoms, you are living in the wrong country.


Amos Quito: So you don't believe in god, aren't religious and the only real "connection" you have to Judaism is that your mom is Jewish and you got a free Zionization Propaganda course in Israel - yet you feel "unsafe" because people dare to criticize the ethnocentric, clannish (and sometimes traitorous) behavior of certain American Jews?

Seems to me that your problem is one of identity, and that your solution is simple: Stop identifying yourself as a "Jew", stop telling everyone that you're a Jew, refuse to be dragged into the shiatstorms that the Zionists stir up and simply start acting like a Human American who is interested in furthering the best interests of Humans in general and Americans in particular - and encourage other "Jews" to do the same.

Problem solved. No?

END QUOTE

As you can see, TFFBSA stated clearly that he (personally) does not believe in god, and has little involvement with Judaism, yet he "feels unsafe" because he perceives that there is "open hostility toward Jews". My answer was primarily directed to his personal situation, though I feel that we would be MUCH better off as a society if we ALL were to abandon much of the clannish, tribalistic behavior that we have carried from the past, as this in-group mentality spawns xenophobia, bigotry, conflicts of interests, and actually degrades larger society.

So while my response was directed to TFFBSA's personal circumstances (as he expressed them to be), I feel that if we are to succeed in evolving into a global society, we MUST move toward abandoning this clannishness, racism, ethnocentrism, etc.

Otherwise we may well kill ourselves off as a species.

Does that answer your question?
 
2012-01-31 08:27:50 PM

muck4doo: You are angry at Jews.


No, he's not. He's merely claiming that the state has no business in supporting religious choices of its citizens with tax money, which include voluntary dietary choices. The state should enable its citizens to pursue such choices, if they desire, through non-interference (some limitations apply). So it's each citizens' right to pursue whatever religion they wish.

He's also saying that, on critical reflection, the 613 commandments in the Torah are bat-shiat insane. We could also delve into the absolutely bug-fark pronouncements of the Catholic Church, the Mormon Bible (which reads like bad fantasy), or the $cientologist sci-fi cult, for similar results. An analogous situation to the one in the article would be for the MA state gov't to subsidize Scientologist "run-downs" in old folks' homes; you cool with that? If not, why do you hate Scientologists?
 
2012-01-31 08:29:54 PM

Amos Quito: My answer was primarily directed to his personal situation, though I feel that we would be MUCH better off as a society if we ALL were to abandon much of the clannish, tribalistic behavior that we have carried from the past, as this in-group mentality spawns xenophobia, bigotry, conflicts of interests, and actually degrades larger society.


That would be much more believable from you if you didn't have that focus primarily on one group of people.
 
2012-01-31 08:39:01 PM

Kirkenhegelstein: muck4doo: You are angry at Jews.

No, he's not. He's merely claiming that the state has no business in supporting religious choices of its citizens with tax money, which include voluntary dietary choices. The state should enable its citizens to pursue such choices, if they desire, through non-interference (some limitations apply). So it's each citizens' right to pursue whatever religion they wish.

He's also saying that, on critical reflection, the 613 commandments in the Torah are bat-shiat insane. We could also delve into the absolutely bug-fark pronouncements of the Catholic Church, the Mormon Bible (which reads like bad fantasy), or the $cientologist sci-fi cult, for similar results. An analogous situation to the one in the article would be for the MA state gov't to subsidize Scientologist "run-downs" in old folks' homes; you cool with that? If not, why do you hate Scientologists?


No, he's not. I've seen enough of his posts in the past to know better than that. Notice he isn't mad at any other group for having special diets. If you've been paying attention you will always notice it is one particular group he is always angry with, in every thread. You can down play it all you want, but it doesn't change the truth. I like the guy personally, because he has brought up things in the past which made me think and learn from. He's an intelligent person. I just can't figure out how someone with his intellect has such warped and angry views when it comes to that one little group of people.
 
2012-01-31 08:39:55 PM
Came for the Professor Frink reference, leaving disappointed.
 
2012-01-31 08:44:19 PM

Sgt Otter: If it was anybody but Newt, I'd assume anything THAT sleazy must have been a false-flag plant.


that's a good point. a desperate move by a desperate man.
 
2012-01-31 08:47:56 PM

Amos Quito: So while my response was directed to TFFBSA's personal circumstances (as he expressed them to be), I feel that if we are to succeed in evolving into a global society, we MUST move toward abandoning this clannishness, racism, ethnocentrism, etc.Otherwise we may well kill ourselves off as a species.Does that answer your question?


Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

You answer only partially. While you answered in terms of apple pie generalities, I asked you some specifics, and I asked you about your own background.

Amos, is this your prescription for yourself and for everyone?

That the Irish don't identify as Irish, the Catholic as Catholic, the Iranians as Iranian, the Muslims as Muslim, the queer as queer, the feminist as feminist, blacks as black?

Since you seem to prescribe for us what we should believe and how we should act in these issues, will you tell us what your ethnic, religious, and cultural background is? So that we can better understand literally where you come from and what you are going to give up?

Or is this only a prescription for the Jews?


I frequently misunderstand, my idiocy showing through, what other people write, and you're writing about a very touchy subject, so I am just asking you to bring it down to earth for me.

clannish, tribalistic behavior that we have carried from the past, as this in-group mentality spawns xenophobia, bigotry, conflicts of interests I think I understand and agree with much of this.

Specifically, which groups do you think are contributing to this and should stop?

The gays? Catholics? Muslims? The Irish? The elderly?

I don't recall seeing you in other threads telling these groups to knock it off. That's probably my own fault though.

Can you explain why you appear to single out the Jews in these threads for your advice?

As I think I explained earlier, your suggestion that Jews (and I guess all other groups) throw off their shackles of identity and assimilate with the norm, really seems to privilege the norm at the expense of any minority group, whether they have experience oppression (from the norm) or not.

Since you are asking us to give up a rich cultural history, and cultural values, and identification in a group we love, to assimilate with the norm, it seems reasonable to wonder what you are going to be giving up.

Which brings me to the part of the question you didn't answer.

So we can better understand your own sacrifices in this combined journey, can you tell us a bit more of your own background, without getting too personal, but where are you from? What country do you live in? What's your religious, and ethnic background? About how old are you?

I'm a 50ish, mostly atheist, cultural Jew, lower middle class, mostly liberal, often employed, dude, born in LA, living (if you can call it that) in AZ. Last in a synagogue about a year ago. Keep mostly kosher. (Not exactly sure why (apart from Tevye's one word response.))
 
2012-01-31 08:49:59 PM

muck4doo: Your position was already clear. You are angry at Jews. Nice job you did though as to explaining why they deserve more anger and hate directed at them than other groups. It really saddens me that you take those kind of positions. You're a smart person, but cling to stupid ideas with whatever triggered your hate. I don't think you're a racist. You've been far acceptable off all cultures except for one little group. Why is that? Why so much hate for that one little group? I really hope you can figure it out one day, and come to peace with yourself.

/No. You shouldn't be the person to decide what they should, and shouldn't eat.
//Neither are the angry people who agree with you.



Frankly I'm a bit taken aback at your response, muck4doo. I just went to a fair amount of trouble to explain (some of) the complex differences between kosher dietary laws and others, and the trouble and expense involved with adhering to those customs. Did you even read what I wrote?

You're right - what other people choose to eat and why is their business, and frankly I couldn't care less - unless I am expected to foot the bill for tastes that are unusually expensive.

If you threw a Fark party, and everyone was happily drinking the beer you provided, how would you feel if I showed up and, citing my Scottish heritage, indignantly insisted that you provide me with 12 year old single malt? And at YOUR expense?

Now you may say that my request was outrageous, and that if I wanted fancy-assed liquor I sould have brought my own - but then I might counter that you have no respect for my Scottish heritage, and that you have NO RIGHT to tell me what I should or should not drink. Hell, I might even accuse you of anti-Kiltism. And that's basically what you're doing to me for clarifying my point that when people have "special needs" born purely out of religious or ethnic tradition, they should bring their own damn scotch.
 
2012-01-31 09:05:08 PM

Amos Quito: muck4doo: Your position was already clear. You are angry at Jews. Nice job you did though as to explaining why they deserve more anger and hate directed at them than other groups. It really saddens me that you take those kind of positions. You're a smart person, but cling to stupid ideas with whatever triggered your hate. I don't think you're a racist. You've been far acceptable off all cultures except for one little group. Why is that? Why so much hate for that one little group? I really hope you can figure it out one day, and come to peace with yourself.

/No. You shouldn't be the person to decide what they should, and shouldn't eat.
//Neither are the angry people who agree with you.


Frankly I'm a bit taken aback at your response, muck4doo. I just went to a fair amount of trouble to explain (some of) the complex differences between kosher dietary laws and others, and the trouble and expense involved with adhering to those customs. Did you even read what I wrote?

You're right - what other people choose to eat and why is their business, and frankly I couldn't care less - unless I am expected to foot the bill for tastes that are unusually expensive.

If you threw a Fark party, and everyone was happily drinking the beer you provided, how would you feel if I showed up and, citing my Scottish heritage, indignantly insisted that you provide me with 12 year old single malt? And at YOUR expense?

Now you may say that my request was outrageous, and that if I wanted fancy-assed liquor I sould have brought my own - but then I might counter that you have no respect for my Scottish heritage, and that you have NO RIGHT to tell me what I should or should not drink. Hell, I might even accuse you of anti-Kiltism. And that's basically what you're doing to me for clarifying my point that when people have "special needs" born purely out of religious or ethnic tradition, they should bring their own damn scotch.


Except in this case the people attending have been pitching in for years or decades telling you what they want to drink, but instead you told them "Fark that! You're silly and your tastes are silly! I will serve you whatever i damn will please, because it is me that who has to go buy it! You just payed for it. fark you! Go be picky off your own dime somewhere else! Or be smart! Like me"
 
2012-01-31 09:16:26 PM

Amos Quito: Frankly I'm a bit taken aback at your response, muck4doo


Don't be taken a back. I disagree with you on something. Strongly. I don't like seeing people being hated on for their religious beliefs as long as they aren't hurting anyone. Doesn't mean I don't agree with you on other things. Like I said above, I've learned a lot from some of the posts you made in other topics. This subject however, you are plain wrong. I've also noted you have strong opinions when it comes to that one particular group of people. You've been pretty obvious with that in the past, and I'm not the first to notice it. Don't get mad at me for stating the obvious. Do a little soul searching, and ask yourself what got you to that point. Why are you so angry with them?
 
2012-01-31 10:13:30 PM

Tatsuma: Taxomney McMormoncare


Taxomney McMormoncare? Oh, I'm so stealing that.
 
2012-01-31 10:22:31 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Philip Francis Queeg: Ahh, so not "Separate but equal" but "Gentiles only".

Got it.

Considering that Gentile means "everybody except us special people", I don't see how it is even entertained as a legitimate position.


Interestingly enough, in the past Mormons have been known to use the term "gentile" when speaking of non-members. However, I believe it's fairly uncommon to use the term nowadays.
 
2012-01-31 10:32:22 PM

muck4doo: That would be much more believable from you if you didn't have that focus primarily on one group of people.


AND

RoyBatty:
Since you are asking us to give up a rich cultural history, and cultural values, and identification in a group we love, to assimilate with the norm, it seems reasonable to wonder what you are going to be giving up.

Which brings me to the part of the question you didn't answer.

So we can better understand your own sacrifices in this combined journey, can you tell us a bit more of your own background, without getting too personal, but where are you from? What country do you live in? What's your religious, and ethnic background? About how old are you?



I'll answer you both with one shot:

First, a silhouette bio: I'm male, 50ish, whitish, of Western European heritage (Scot, Irish, English, Nordic - not necessarily in that order - potpourii). I was brought up in a religion, but was never comfortable in it, and began studying and exploring other religions in an attempt to find my "place". I learned a lot, and what I found was that organized religion and most associated belief systems are not compatible to where we are evolving as a society - especially in this technologically driven age.

So I am not religious, but neither am I an "atheist" in the classical sense, in that I am presently inclined toward the idea that there is a larger consciousness that pervades not only humanity, but the whole of the universe. There is only one thing.

If you have a minute, here is a cool video (new window).

What sacrifices can I make? I identify myself as a human being who was born and happily lives in the USA on the planet Earth. As an Earthling I am obviously concerned with the best interests of the planet that supports me, and the beings that share the planet with me. As American Is my home, I am more specifically concerned with the interests of my nation and its relationships with other nations, as these have a tendency directly affect me. Of course I am also concerned with the best interests of my state, my city, my family and my home. I think that's pretty natural, don't you?

As I don't strongly identify with any race, religion, ethnicity or "culture" (other than the one that surrounds me), I see that there is little I could "sacrifice". I am a fan of history, but I'm not into ancestor worship or nostalgia, except that I do have an affinity for my nation and its Constitution, because while it may not be perfect, it is a rare jewel in its egalitarian construction, and I happen to believe that it is (was) the best form of government yet conceived by man.

Now to the additional question that both of you asked.

When I observe our evolution as a species, one thing troubles me more than any other - and that is the natural clinging to divisions: Ethnocentrism, racism, "nationalism" religious supremacism - all of these were spawned from ancient tribalist tendencies that, while they served us well through most of our history, and no doubt helped us to successfully evolve as a species, have become a MAJOR liability to humanity AND the planet itself thanks to advancements in transportation and technology.

The inter-group clashes that we experienced in the past are no longer necessarily minimal and localized. Our population has grown, society is concentrating into increasingly larger groups, and global communication is instantaneous. Additionally, we now have the ability to rain global hell down on ourselves and the planet. We can quite literally wipe ourselves out overnight.

The perceived divisions that we cling to - the nationalism, ethnocentrism, racism and religious beliefs that cause us to differentiate ourselves from one another - while perfectly natural - are certain to be the primer that sets of the "bomb". These (and inter-group the competition for resources) are the primary source of dangerous tension that currently exists on the planet.

We cannot afford to cling to clannishness, ethnocentrism etc. if we hope to survive and evolve as a species. If we are to succeed, our social evolution must parallel our technological advancements - and we're WAY behind. We're like a toddler with a flame thrower.

Why do I pay what you might believe is an inordinate amount of attention to a certain group? It may be because that particular group uniquely exemplifies the very spirit of separation, clanishness, ethnocentrism and nationalism more profoundly than any other I have encountered. Indeed, these characteristics are the very glue that has held this group together as a separate and distinct "people" through thousands of years of dwelling in diaspora - a nation within nations that refused to assimilate in spite of enormous pressure to do so.

While group solidarity is not necessarily a "bad" thing, trouble begins when the "perceived" interests of one self-identified group clash wit the "perceived" interests of another or others. This scenario has repeated itself time and again throughout history, often with disasterous results, and frankly that is what I see happening again, and it does NOT bode well for the best interests of ANY group, of humanity as a whole, or of the planet itself.

Watch that pot. It's about to boil over.

Long enough for one post?
 
2012-01-31 11:00:24 PM

Amos Quito: First, a silhouette bio: I'm male, 50ish, whitish, of Western European heritage (Scot, Irish, English, Nordic - not necessarily in that order - potpourii).


Again thanks.

I don't have the time for the video, but I did read your entire response.

So you are a white, middle aged male, a classically "privileged" and identifiable member (though you claim to be indifferent to it) of the dominant culture of our era.

Now, that may not be so true in the coming years.

But it is certainly true in the case of 2012, United States, Amos Quito vs. The Jews

And your suggestion boils down, because you told me you think the Jews should assimilate completely, your suggestion for anyone not like you, is to become like you.

Okay, so though I agree with you that all this nationalism crap begets war after war and poisons the well, your suggestion that we all become white nordics is both unrealistic as well as well, a classical example of cultural imperialism.

And I can't stand modern feminism or many of these identity politics groups, so I am annoyed I find myself talking this way with words like "privilege". Ugh.

So I ask you again, since as you admit, you don't perceive much for you to sacrifice along our journey, but you are asking / demanding that I and all others give up much that we place great value on, and we do so by becoming more like you, well,

Do you expect that's going to occur?
Or understand why you seem to piss people off?
Or seem to attract agreement with others that have hateful attitudes towards Jews that you yourself do not support?

The way to end nationalism is probably not by going after the tiny groups and demand they give up all they hold special and become like you and your friends.

I can't quite reconcile this: "It may be because that particular group uniquely exemplifies the very spirit of separation, clanishness, ethnocentrism and nationalism more profoundly than any other I have encountered. Indeed, these characteristics are the very glue that has held this group together as a separate and distinct "people" through thousands of years of dwelling in diaspora - a nation within nations that refused to assimilate in spite of enormous pressure to do so."

with your belief that by "stalking" every thread to criticize not just Israeli policy, or American Jewish attitudes towards Israel or their neighbors but to also criticize Jewish laws about keeping kosher or their faith, you will have a positive affect on getting Jews to renounce their ingroup preferences or traditions.

And compared to some of the practices of other identify groups, whether it's repression of women, or obnoxious litigation, or worse, I find your focus on the effects of keeping kosher on the ruination of the American dream a bit bizarre.

But thanks, I appreciate the response.
 
2012-01-31 11:01:40 PM
Hey, if you don't mind, who is Amos Quito? Is there a book, a movie, a game I should pick up?
 
2012-01-31 11:25:13 PM

Amos Quito: muck4doo: That would be much more believable from you if you didn't have that focus primarily on one group of people.

AND

RoyBatty: Since you are asking us to give up a rich cultural history, and cultural values, and identification in a group we love, to assimilate with the norm, it seems reasonable to wonder what you are going to be giving up.

Which brings me to the part of the question you didn't answer.

So we can better understand your own sacrifices in this combined journey, can you tell us a bit more of your own background, without getting too personal, but where are you from? What country do you live in? What's your religious, and ethnic background? About how old are you?


I'll answer you both with one shot:

First, a silhouette bio: I'm male, 50ish, whitish, of Western European heritage (Scot, Irish, English, Nordic - not necessarily in that order - potpourii). I was brought up in a religion, but was never comfortable in it, and began studying and exploring other religions in an attempt to find my "place". I learned a lot, and what I found was that organized religion and most associated belief systems are not compatible to where we are evolving as a society - especially in this technologically driven age.

So I am not religious, but neither am I an "atheist" in the classical sense, in that I am presently inclined toward the idea that there is a larger consciousness that pervades not only humanity, but the whole of the universe. There is only one thing.

If you have a minute, here is a cool video (new window).

What sacrifices can I make? I identify myself as a human being who was born and happily lives in the USA on the planet Earth. As an Earthling I am obviously concerned with the best interests of the planet that supports me, and the beings that share the planet with me. As American Is my home, I am more specifically concerned with the interests of my nation and its relationships with other nations, as these have a tendency directly affect me. Of cou ...


Ah, so lose their identity and become more like you, then you won't be so hateful against them. Got it. It was so simple all along. They just need to do what you say, those silly people. Funny you never ask that of any other ethnic group. Really Amos, think about what it is about that one particular group that bothers you so much. See ya in another thread. Hopefully nothing to do with this subject. I like you in those.
 
2012-01-31 11:44:14 PM

Amos Quito: If you have a minute, here is a cool video (new window).


That's the Zombocom guy narrating, isn't it.

UFT seems to be just common sense though, doesn't it?

Glad it's not just me.
 
2012-01-31 11:49:26 PM

Amos Quito: Why do I pay what you might believe is an inordinate amount of attention to a certain group? It may be because that particular group uniquely exemplifies the very spirit of separation, clanishness, ethnocentrism and nationalism more profoundly than any other I have encountered. Indeed, these characteristics are the very glue that has held this group together as a separate and distinct "people" through thousands of years of dwelling in diaspora - a nation within nations that refused to assimilate in spite of enormous pressure to do so.


And have been stomped on over 200 times by different cultures, races, government models etc. And whine, like a woman who has just been raped for the 201st time. Does not mean that you condone rape if you ask her, "Why?"
 
2012-01-31 11:53:07 PM

RoyBatty: I find your focus on the effects of keeping kosher on the ruination of the American dream a bit bizarre.


15% of the population funellling 90% of the media news and campaign monies doesn't strike you as odd?
 
2012-02-01 12:24:32 AM

RoyBatty: Okay, so though I agree with you that all this nationalism crap begets war after war and poisons the well, your suggestion that we all become white nordics is both unrealistic as well as well, a classical example of cultural imperialism.



What? I suggested that "we all become white nordics"???

When? Where?

Look, if "white nordics" are are in favor of the idea that we should abandon obsolete notions of tribalism and work together toward the general advancement of the species, I'm all for the Nordic Plan.

Otherwise, not so much.


muck4doo: Really Amos, think about what it is about that one particular group that bothers you so much.



Reread my previous offering.


muck4doo: See ya in another thread. Hopefully nothing to do with this subject. I like you in those.



Fist bump.

Perception + memory = "reality".

Perception changes.
 
2012-02-01 12:25:05 AM
Not only did Obomney veto the Kosher food bill, he slipped in a rider that requires all the animals used for the Traif meals be baptized as Mormons after slaughter.
 
2012-02-01 12:38:38 AM

Amos Quito: What? I suggested that "we all become white nordics"???


That was a bit of a rude summary on my part.

You have said over and over the Jews should assimilate completely, and so should everyone else.

That basically means becoming white Caucasian Protestants much more than it means becoming some sort of futurtopia enlightened star fleet netizen.

(That's why I posted the Borg picture in response to you the other day when you suggested assimilation is a good thing.)
 
2012-02-01 06:30:23 AM
King Something 2012-01-31 03:38:08 PM


Impasse: King Something: Does anyone have that pick from Fox News that shows how the candidates were polling in Iowa? The one where they "accidentally" put Obama's face over the "Romney" caption while the rest of them had the correct glamour shots?

A quick GIS of 'fox obama romney' yields a bit.

[www.mediaite.com]


Oh goody a new toy for us to play with!!
 
2012-02-01 07:41:18 AM

Amos Quito: Why do I pay what you might believe is an inordinate amount of attention to a certain group? It may be because that particular group uniquely exemplifies the very spirit of separation, clanishness, ethnocentrism and nationalism more profoundly than any other I have encountered. Indeed, these characteristics are the very glue that has held this group together as a separate and distinct "people" through thousands of years of dwelling in diaspora - a nation within nations that refused to assimilate in spite of enormous pressure to do so.


Do you really think American Jews haven't assimilated? It seems to me that while we still have some elements of a separate culture, we have assimilated very well. My great grandparents came here from Eastern Europe, learned English immediately, gave their children "American" names, and maybe continued a few Jewish customs, like celebrating certain holidays. My grandfather was in the military, his brother was killed fighting for the US in WW2. I have a PhD in statistics, work at a university, consider myself an atheist, and am in a relationship with someone who isn't Jewish. Most of the other Jews I know have similar stories. It is offensive for me to hear someone saying that we still haven't assimilated. In Europe before the Holocaust, Jews were very well assimilated into European culture. You may remember that they were highly represented in the sciences. It ended up not mattering how well assimilated any of them were.
 
2012-02-01 08:55:59 AM

Tatsuma: That was our reaction around here. That, and 'Seriously, can't they shut up about Jews and Israel? I mean, seriously there's a whole campaign and so many issues going on. Leave us alone for five minutes'.


The more airtime Israel gets, the more media spin is required to offset scrutiny of Israel's foreign assistance money.
 
2012-02-01 12:12:54 PM

sweetmelissa31: Amos Quito: Why do I pay what you might believe is an inordinate amount of attention to a certain group? It may be because that particular group uniquely exemplifies the very spirit of separation, clanishness, ethnocentrism and nationalism more profoundly than any other I have encountered. Indeed, these characteristics are the very glue that has held this group together as a separate and distinct "people" through thousands of years of dwelling in diaspora - a nation within nations that refused to assimilate in spite of enormous pressure to do so.

Do you really think American Jews haven't assimilated?



In a word, no.


sweetmelissa31: It seems to me that while we still have some elements of a separate culture, we have assimilated very well.


Assimilate: "to conform or adjust to the customs, attitudes, etc., of a group, nation, or the like"

In-group (vs out-group) identity remains very strong among American Jews who, despite hailing from many different countries of origin (Russia, Eastern/Western Europe, the Middle East) and having different native tongues, have retained their sense of kinship with one another AS JEWS. They have retained their ethnic identity and separatism, demonstrably focusing their political energies to achieve goals that are perceived to benefit their ethnic group, rather than the America as a whole.

Example from yesterday's Jerusalem Post: (new window)

QUOTES

For Floridian Jews, Israel factors into primary

As Republicans cast votes in Florida primary, local Jews dissect candidates' positions toward the Jewish state

HOLLYWOOD, Florida - As a registered Democrat, Harriette Moses was unable to vote Tuesday in Florida's Republicansonly primary, but boy did she want to crash the party.

"This year I really wished I was in the Republican Party," said the mother of three as she stood outside the polling station at Hollywood's Young Israel synagogue, of which she is a member. "I very much do not want the current president. I'm not happy with what I see as his position towards Israel."

Of the Republican candidates, Moses said she liked Mitt Romney, in part because "he's publicly stated that he would do whatever he can to show support for Israel."

[...]

Sid Dinerstein, chairman of the Republican Party of nearby Palm Beach County, indicated that Moses is hardly alone in her preference. He said of Jewish Independents and Democrats who plan to break tradition and vote against Obama this year, Romney is the favorite.

[...]

Like many others, they question Romney's commitment to conservative positions on social issues, to which he has pledged adherence despite holding more moderate views when he was governor of Massachusetts.

"No one believes him," said Dinerstein. "That helps him with this group." [They see him as a LIAR and count that as a PLUS???]

"With Jewish Republicans," Dinerstein said, "so long as the next president is not Barack Obama or Ron Paul, we're fine." Paul has turned off many Jewish voters by calling for cutting all foreign aid, including aid to Israel, opposing sanctions on Iran on free trade grounds, and generally articulating an isolationist foreign policy.

Dinerstein added, "If it's Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich, there's no issue with Israel because it would be taken care of" by both.

[Notice that those Jews who do favor Obama ALSO base their feelings on how they perceive the President's stand on Israel]

"When it comes to Israel, we have only to look to the Israeli leadership and their commentary on President Obama's remarkable record on Israel," she said in response to a question from The Jerusalem Post Tuesday. "According to Ehud Barak, Israel has no greater friend... He has repeatedly said, as has President [Shimon] Peres, as has Prime Minister [Binyamin] Netanyahu, that our security relationship has never been stronger between the two countries."

"The overwhelming majority of Jewish voters are Democrats," said Wasserman Schultz, a Florida representative, who was visiting the Meyerhoff Senior Center to deliver a blistering attack on Romney's stance on Medicare. "Because [Obama] has demonstrated in word and deed his strong support and commitment to the US-Israel relationship, I think he'll enjoy the overwhelming support of Jewish voters here in Florida and across the country."

END QUOTES

As the article plainly shows, Jewish "Americans" tend to structure their political views not on who or what will serve the best interests of America, but of Israel - A FOREIGN NATION - and of Jews in general.

You may call that "assimilation". I call bullshiat.

Can you realistically expect non-Jewish Americans to support policies that favor Israel to the detriment of America as a whole? For how long?


sweetmelissa31: It is offensive for me to hear someone saying that we still haven't assimilated.



Well, it seems very clear that Jews have NOT assimilated, doesn't it? Sorry if you're "offended" by that fact.


sweetmelissa31: In Europe before the Holocaust, Jews were very well assimilated into European culture. You may remember that they were highly represented in the sciences. It ended up not mattering how well assimilated any of them were.



Being "highly represented in the sciences" is not an indicator of assimilation into the culture(s). Then as now there was a rift between the perceived interests of Jews vs the perceived interests of non-Jews. This naturally created a cultural clash that resulted in calamity.

This clash in perceived us vs them interests is again creating a rift that is very likely to once again cause serious trouble. You seem to believe that the best way to avoid this trouble is to convince yourself and others that there is no conflict of group interests.

I for one don't think that this strategy will be effective.

Might there be other possible strategies to consider?
 
2012-02-01 12:26:37 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Amos Quito: If you have a minute, here is a cool video (new window).

That's the Zombocom guy narrating, isn't it.

UFT seems to be just common sense though, doesn't it?

Glad it's not just me.



There is only one thing.
 
2012-02-01 12:31:28 PM

Amos Quito: Example from yesterday's Jerusalem Post: (new window)


Amos Quito: Being "highly represented in the sciences" is not an indicator of assimilation into the culture(s). Then as now there was a rift between the perceived interests of Jews vs the perceived interests of non-Jews. This naturally created a cultural clash that resulted in calamity.


You're conflating all Jews with Florida Republicans and then implying that Jews are setting themselves up for a second Holocaust. That's interesting.
 
2012-02-01 12:43:00 PM

sweetmelissa31: You're conflating all Jews with Florida Republicans and then implying that Jews are setting themselves up for a second Holocaust. That's interesting.


please just ignore the neo-nazis. there is nothing that can be done to convince them. self-defence is the only way.
 
2012-02-01 01:03:57 PM

proteus_b: sweetmelissa31: You're conflating all Jews with Florida Republicans and then implying that Jews are setting themselves up for a second Holocaust. That's interesting.

please just ignore the neo-nazis. there is nothing that can be done to convince them. self-defence is the only way.


So the upside is, it's good to know the Amos Quitos exist, it's not just my paranoia.

It's sad the internet allows them to connect and encourage and motivate each other, but it enables all sorts of other, better, groups to connect as well, and it's good for the rest of us to be able to see the rantings and hate and understand it's not dead yet.

I don't believe I've experienced much overt anti-semitism, but there have been one or two occasions that have left me wondering.

And while it's absolutely true that criticizing Israel does not make one an anti-semite, regardless, in various FARK threads the criticism go way beyond criticizing the government's stupid policies into strange conspiracy theories and anti-semitism.

Oh well, in another news for or about idiots, I finally figured out what the hell Amos Quito's handle means. shiat. I've wondered about that for far too long. Point goes to Amos Quito you farktard.
 
2012-02-01 01:08:19 PM

sweetmelissa31: Amos Quito: Example from yesterday's Jerusalem Post: (new window)

Amos Quito: Being "highly represented in the sciences" is not an indicator of assimilation into the culture(s). Then as now there was a rift between the perceived interests of Jews vs the perceived interests of non-Jews. This naturally created a cultural clash that resulted in calamity.

You're conflating all Jews with Florida Republicans



No, not ALL Jews, just the preponderance. And did you miss the comments of the Democrats?

I cited the article on Florida as it is a timely reference. Do you feel that the issues shaping the political views of Jewish voters in Florida differ significantly from Jews in other parts of the country?

Got cites?


sweetmelissa31: and then implying that Jews are setting themselves up for a second Holocaust. That's interesting.


I suggest that you apply some of the critical thinking skills that you acquired in the pursuit of your PhD to studying the history of the culture clashes that preceded WWII and the Holocaust.

Or you could follow the suggestion of proteus_b.

allisyar.files.wordpress.com

Which ever you feel will best benefit you in the long run.
 
2012-02-01 01:23:32 PM

RoyBatty: proteus_b: sweetmelissa31: You're conflating all Jews with Florida Republicans and then implying that Jews are setting themselves up for a second Holocaust. That's interesting.

please just ignore the neo-nazis. there is nothing that can be done to convince them. self-defence is the only way.

So the upside is, it's good to know the Amos Quitos exist, it's not just my paranoia.



When the interests of one self-identified group run contrary to the interests of the larger group, there are bound to be clashes. It's not just your paranoia, it's a simple fact.


RoyBatty: It's sad the internet allows them to connect and encourage and motivate each other, but it enables all sorts of other, better, groups to connect as well, and it's good for the rest of us to be able to see the rantings and hate and understand it's not dead yet.



Hate? Now surfaces the paranoia.


RoyBatty: And while it's absolutely true that criticizing Israel does not make one an anti-semite, regardless, in various FARK threads the criticism go way beyond criticizing the government's stupid policies into strange conspiracy theories and anti-semitism.



By "anti-Semitism" I must assume that you mean anything that you believe might run contrary to the perceived interests of Semitists and Semitism, no?

If anti-Semitism is the antitheses, what would be the thesis?

Don't let your emotions overrun you logic.
 
2012-02-01 01:38:36 PM

Amos Quito: RoyBatty: And while it's absolutely true that criticizing Israel does not make one an anti-semite, regardless, in various FARK threads the criticism go way beyond criticizing the government's stupid policies into strange conspiracy theories and anti-semitism.By "anti-Semitism" I must assume that you mean anything that you believe might run contrary to the perceived interests of Semitists and Semitism, no?


No, I think I've been quite clear.

I mean irrational behavior like yours, stalking threads that have nothing to do with Israel or even Jews to carp about the laws of kashrut. Behavior like yours in which you claim to want world peace, but never mention anything other than the heinous crimes of the Jews.

If you actually wanted to talk about polices and real world behaviors that matter concerning all groups, you would not be an anti-semite.

That you focus exclusively on the Jews and only the Jews and bring it up everywhere even when it is totally irrelevant makes you an anti-semite. Almost by definition.
 
2012-02-01 02:09:29 PM

RoyBatty: Amos Quito: RoyBatty: And while it's absolutely true that criticizing Israel does not make one an anti-semite, regardless, in various FARK threads the criticism go way beyond criticizing the government's stupid policies into strange conspiracy theories and anti-semitism.


By "anti-Semitism" I must assume that you mean anything that you believe might run contrary to the perceived interests of Semitists and Semitism, no?

No, I think I've been quite clear.

I mean irrational behavior like yours, stalking threads that have nothing to do with Israel or even Jews to carp about the laws of kashrut


Headline of this thread: In today's you-can't-make-this-shiat-up news, a pro-Gingrich robocall is claiming Romney forced Holocaust survivors to eat non-kosher food

Where else have I "carped about the laws of kashrut?" [Citation needed]

You're going off the deep end here, RoyBatty.


RoyBatty: If you actually wanted to talk about polices and real world behaviors that matter concerning all groups, you would not be an anti-semite.

That you focus exclusively on the Jews and only the Jews and bring it up everywhere even when it is totally irrelevant makes you an anti-semite. Almost by definition.



I don't know whether you've noticed, but for a minority that makes up only 1.7% of the US population, Jews are inordinately "relevant" in American society, and have a powerful influence on both foreign and domestic policy. When Jews pursue their perceived group interests, this impacts the lives of ALL Americans, and said impact is NOT necessarily perceived as innocuous by non-Jews.

That is a fact.

Perhaps you would prefer that everyone ignore the obvious?
 
2012-02-01 02:31:39 PM

Amos Quito: Where else have I "carped about the laws of kashrut?" [Citation needed]


My apologies, I thought you were all over the bakery thread from a few days ago, but somehow you missed that opportunity, so good for you.

Amos Quito: I don't know whether you've noticed, but for a minority that makes up only 1.7% of the US population, Jews are inordinately "relevant" in American society, and have a powerful influence on both foreign and domestic policy. When Jews pursue their perceived group interests, this impacts the lives of ALL Americans, and said impact is NOT necessarily perceived as innocuous by non-Jews.


Yeah, it's a shame, we live in a combined democracy and meritocracy where people are free to pursue their own interests and rise to their level of incompetence. I can just see you now protesting that there are more gays in government and academia and in the professional ranks far exceeding their numbers in society. And the same with asians, and even women.

Except you're not doing that. You're complaining about the Jews, as a group.

So what happens when Jewish and Asian parents stress book learning, education, and have high expectations? You get lots of individuals as doctors, lawyers, etc.

So screw you mosquito man.

You've got some bone up your ass about the Jews, and you stalk FARK threads, just like your handle says, a mosquito, constantly buzzing and needling and annoying and with your high pitched whine, begging for attention.

And you're certainly being honest about why you dislike the Jews, when everything that you say about the need for groups to assimilate would be true for all groups if you actually believed that shiat.

And when it comes right down to it, as I've shown, your prescription for world peace is that everyone give up their cultural values and become just like you.

You know who else wanted everyone to look and act like him?

This guy: Four O'Clock (new window)
 
2012-02-01 02:33:56 PM

RoyBatty: And you're certainly NOT being honest about why you dislike the Jews, when everything that you say about the need for groups to assimilate would be true for all groups if you actually believed that shiat.

 
2012-02-01 02:43:16 PM

RoyBatty: RoyBatty: And you're certainly NOT being honest about why you dislike the Jews, when everything that you say about the need for groups to assimilate would be true for all groups if you actually believed that shiat.


I think he is being honest about it. He dislikes them for the reasons mentioned in Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
 
2012-02-01 02:46:11 PM

sweetmelissa31: RoyBatty: RoyBatty: And you're certainly NOT being honest about why you dislike the Jews, when everything that you say about the need for groups to assimilate would be true for all groups if you actually believed that shiat.

I think he is being honest about it. He dislikes them for the reasons mentioned in Protocols of the Elders of Zion.


Honest then, but hypocritical, since he claims he is opposed to any groups acting that way, but only actually opposing the behaviors when he attributes them to Jews.
 
2012-02-01 02:57:29 PM

RoyBatty: Honest then, but hypocritical, since he claims he is opposed to any groups acting that way, but only actually opposing the behaviors when he attributes them to Jews.


Yes, but that's because we're the only ones with a secret plan to rule the world.
 
2012-02-01 03:22:59 PM

sweetmelissa31: RoyBatty: Honest then, but hypocritical, since he claims he is opposed to any groups acting that way, but only actually opposing the behaviors when he attributes them to Jews.

Yes, but that's because we're the only ones with a secret plan to rule the world.


Speaking of which, my monthly check from the Hollywood Jews seems late.
 
2012-02-01 03:27:55 PM

RoyBatty: sweetmelissa31: RoyBatty: Honest then, but hypocritical, since he claims he is opposed to any groups acting that way, but only actually opposing the behaviors when he attributes them to Jews.

Yes, but that's because we're the only ones with a secret plan to rule the world.

Speaking of which, my monthly check from the Hollywood Jews seems late.



You're a fool.

Should have opted for Direct Deposit like I did. ;-)
 
2012-02-01 03:34:45 PM

Diogenes: What's funny is that disingenuously using Jews and antisemitism to scare people into voting for him is antisemitic in and of itself.

"Those suckers will believe anything if you toss the Holocaust in there."


I really dislike violence, but I have an urge to Gibbs-slap every single Republican candidate today...
 
2012-02-02 12:24:57 AM
I heard he had an illegitimate butt baby.
 
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