If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Huffington Post)   In today's you-can't-make-this-shiat-up news, a pro-Gingrich robocall is claiming Romney forced Holocaust survivors to eat non-kosher food   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 206
    More: Florida, Newt Gingrich, Holocaust survivors, holocaust  
•       •       •

2149 clicks; posted to Politics » on 31 Jan 2012 at 2:51 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



206 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-01-31 06:11:37 PM

Tatsuma: beerrun: Our house is covered. My new oven has the Sabbath mode option.
Never knew what that was all about.

Shabbat mode is, b'kitzur (jewish way of saying 'in short', more or less):

If the temp for the oven is set to 350f, in regular oven it will make sure that it stays at 350f all the time, meaning that if you open the door, the temperature of the room (if under or over 350f) will affect the temperature inside the oven. This means that the electric thingies inside the oven will activate automatically and adjust the temp so it stays 350.

Shabbat mode, on the other hand, insures that the temp that is generated from inside the oven will stay an equal 350f temp, even if the door is opened, and will not activate those electronic thingies, ensuring we can open the oven on shabbat.


You don't happen to know how that works, do you? I'm curious, but too lazy to do he research for myself.

My understanding was also that most new ovens or stoves will turn off after a while. So it keeps them from turning off, so they don't have to be turned back on. I'll admit, I've never tried it to find out. And maybe we're talking about the same thing.
 
2012-01-31 06:11:44 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: muck4doo: And it is/was a stupid comment to make on Islam too.

And I am sure you were front and center shouting that down, weren't you? I put Muslims in the same Crazy/Stupid pigeonhole as anybody who believes in magical creatures, vegans, crystal rubbers, dupes who blow their money on "organic" foods and wrestling fans.


Yes, I have and still do. Don't be a hateful twat.
 
2012-01-31 06:12:19 PM

Tatsuma: beerrun: Our house is covered. My new oven has the Sabbath mode option.
Never knew what that was all about.

Shabbat mode is, b'kitzur (jewish way of saying 'in short', more or less):

If the temp for the oven is set to 350f, in regular oven it will make sure that it stays at 350f all the time, meaning that if you open the door, the temperature of the room (if under or over 350f) will affect the temperature inside the oven. This means that the electric thingies inside the oven will activate automatically and adjust the temp so it stays 350.

Shabbat mode, on the other hand, insures that the temp that is generated from inside the oven will stay an equal 350f temp, even if the door is opened, and will not activate those electronic thingies, ensuring we can open the oven on shabbat.


Just like Moses used to do with his electric oven.

/shakes head
 
2012-01-31 06:12:56 PM

Coco LaFemme: I don't know many Jews who keep kosher. The boyfriend doesn't, neither does anyone in his family. As he put it once, "When I die, I'm going in the ground. Who cares what's in my stomach before that?"

The man makes a good point.


Personally, I'd prefer to die with a stomach full of good barbecue. I mean, if you're giving me a choice.
 
2012-01-31 06:16:19 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: You don't happen to know how that works, do you? I'm curious, but too lazy to do he research for myself.

My understanding was also that most new ovens or stoves will turn off after a while. So it keeps them from turning off, so they don't have to be turned back on. I'll admit, I've never tried it to find out. And maybe we're talking about the same thing.


Well it's very simple:

In a closed environment, they know that X amount of [whatever electrical current going on through the machine] gives enough [whatever that's supposed to be] power to keep the temp inside as 350 degrees.

The difference between Shabbat mode and non-Shabbat mood is quite simple.


If there is a change in the environment:

Shabbat mode: the amount of electrical current giving off the amount of power needed for 350f will stay the same
non-Shabbat mode: the amount of electrical current giving off the amount of power needed for 350f will adjust based on the new conditions

That's basically it, really
 
2012-01-31 06:17:29 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Tatsuma: beerrun: Our house is covered. My new oven has the Sabbath mode option.
Never knew what that was all about.

Shabbat mode is, b'kitzur (jewish way of saying 'in short', more or less):

If the temp for the oven is set to 350f, in regular oven it will make sure that it stays at 350f all the time, meaning that if you open the door, the temperature of the room (if under or over 350f) will affect the temperature inside the oven. This means that the electric thingies inside the oven will activate automatically and adjust the temp so it stays 350.

Shabbat mode, on the other hand, insures that the temp that is generated from inside the oven will stay an equal 350f temp, even if the door is opened, and will not activate those electronic thingies, ensuring we can open the oven on shabbat.

Just like Moses used to do with his electric oven.

/shakes head


I'm pretty sure Moses ate a lot of take out, he was on the move a lot.
 
2012-01-31 06:18:37 PM
Holocaust survivors, who for the first time,were forced to eat non-kosher,

Yes. I believe the nazis made an effort to feed the jews kosher food
 
2012-01-31 06:19:09 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I hate both these guys so much, I really don't know which one to root for. No matter who wins, he still has to be slaughtered by Obama.


As long as its kosher slaughter, the Jewish voters will be happy.
 
2012-01-31 06:52:00 PM

Ayn Rand's Cervix: Yes. I believe the nazis made an effort to feed the jews kosher food


it probably was, actually. i don't think they got very much meat, or cheese, (or seafood), the food was likely untouched by goyim. from what i understand, they mostly ate some onion soup and sawdust enhanced bread, a few hundred calories a day.
 
2012-01-31 07:10:20 PM
Shabbat mode: the amount of electrical current giving off the amount of power needed for 350f will stay the same
non-Shabbat mode: the amount of electrical current giving off the amount of power needed for 350f will adjust based on the new conditions


Apparently Moses was a pretty shiatty physicist too.
 
2012-01-31 07:37:48 PM
Hey Amos Quito,

A week ago I asked you a question at the tail end of a thread, and I guess you never saw it (in time), and I would still like a reply, if you please:

In response to The First Four Black Sabbath Albums you said,

Amos Quito: Seems to me that your problem is one of identity, and that your solution is simple: Stop identifying yourself as a "Jew", stop telling everyone that you're a Jew, refuse to be dragged into the shiatstorms that the Zionists stir up and simply start acting like a Human American who is interested in furthering the best interests of Humans in general and Americans in particular - and encourage other "Jews" to do the same.

Amos, is this your prescription for yourself and for everyone?

That the Irish don't identify as Irish, the Catholic as Catholic, the Iranians as Iranian, the Muslims as Muslim, the queer as queer, the feminist as feminist, blacks as black?

Since you seem to prescribe for us what we should believe and how we should act in these issues, will you tell us what your ethnic, religious, and cultural background is? So that we can better understand literally where you come from and what you are going to give up?

Or is this only a prescription for the Jews?
 
2012-01-31 07:45:27 PM

muck4doo: Amos, I know you're smarter than this. Don't go down the low road with dip shiat there. All of those meals are tax subsidized. It doesn't matter if they are vegan, kosher, halal, no sacred cow please, no sugar I am diabetic please, or anything else like that for the matter. Not everyone eats the same stuff.



I don't know how familiar you are with the rules of Kashrus, but there is utterly no comparison to Vegan, vegetarian, or even Halal.

Here's a brief.

Meats: Most meats are not kosher (pork, shellfish, any fish that doesn't have both scales and fins, many brds, etc), and of those animals that are permissible, only certain cuts are often acceptable (beef hind quarters not used due to prohibition of the sciatic nerve). Animals must be ritualistically slaughtered (throat slit - no stunning) and the meat treated with salt (to remove any trace of blood). In non-home settings, ALL of this must be supervised by kashrut specialists to ensure that no violation has occurred. As you might imagine, this means that kosher meat (especially beef) is considerably more expensive.

Separation: One of the most arduous factors in kashrus is the prohibition of mixing any meat or meat derivative with any dairy product or derivative - or of eating the two within six hours of one another. Rules along these lines are so strict that kosher restaurants will generally serve either meat dishes OR dairy dishes, but not both. Even the utensils used to prepare meat dishes cannot be used to prepare/handle dairy dishes and vice versa without undergoing a ritual kasherization. Kosher households will often have two ovens (one for meat, one for dairy) and THREE sets of utensils, cookware and china: One for meat, one for dairy, and a special separate set for Passover (which is a whole other story).

As I said earlier, these day most Jews are not at all strict WRT keeping kosher, as it is difficult, expensive and cumbersome - but those Jews who do keep strictly kosher are DAMN SERIOUS, to the point that non-kosher foods cannot be prepared in the same kitchen as kosher foods unless the whole place is "sanitized" from top to bottom to ensure that no cross-contamination might take place.

(I should point out that this has less to do with "normal" sanitation (bacteria, etc) and more to do with ritual separation from prohibited items)

By comparison, the restrictions of Halal and vegetarian/Vegan foods are minimal - especially in that there is no expectation that separate utensils and china be used, let alone separate kitchens. And that is why kosher is "special" - specially expensive and specially difficult.

Of course these religious/moral dietary restrictions cannot be compared to those prescribed for health conditions such as diabetes, lactose intolerance etc, any more than a religious style of dress can be compared to orthopedic shoes. It is purely a matter of choice, and while these choices should be respected and accommodations made where possible, the public should no more be required to pick up the tab for religious foods than they should be required to pay for houses of worship.

So how do we care for the elderly and disabled who want to observe such dietary practices but cannot afford to do so? Well that role should be undertaken by their coreligionists, should it not? And it is not as though funds are lacking. If Newt's financial backer can afford to dump $100 million so that American Jewish youth can visit the "Homeland" under "Birthright Israel" and tens of millions more to Yad Vashem (Israel's official Holocaust Museum) one would think that he and some of his pals could spare a few bucks to help elderly and indigent Jews keep kosher, no?

Same goes for Muslims, Seventh Day Adventists, etc, BTW.

I hope that clarifies my position a bit.
 
2012-01-31 08:04:23 PM

Amos Quito: muck4doo: Amos, I know you're smarter than this. Don't go down the low road with dip shiat there. All of those meals are tax subsidized. It doesn't matter if they are vegan, kosher, halal, no sacred cow please, no sugar I am diabetic please, or anything else like that for the matter. Not everyone eats the same stuff.


I don't know how familiar you are with the rules of Kashrus, but there is utterly no comparison to Vegan, vegetarian, or even Halal.

Here's a brief.

Meats: Most meats are not kosher (pork, shellfish, any fish that doesn't have both scales and fins, many brds, etc), and of those animals that are permissible, only certain cuts are often acceptable (beef hind quarters not used due to prohibition of the sciatic nerve). Animals must be ritualistically slaughtered (throat slit - no stunning) and the meat treated with salt (to remove any trace of blood). In non-home settings, ALL of this must be supervised by kashrut specialists to ensure that no violation has occurred. As you might imagine, this means that kosher meat (especially beef) is considerably more expensive.

Separation: One of the most arduous factors in kashrus is the prohibition of mixing any meat or meat derivative with any dairy product or derivative - or of eating the two within six hours of one another. Rules along these lines are so strict that kosher restaurants will generally serve either meat dishes OR dairy dishes, but not both. Even the utensils used to prepare meat dishes cannot be used to prepare/handle dairy dishes and vice versa without undergoing a ritual kasherization. Kosher households will often have two ovens (one for meat, one for dairy) and THREE sets of utensils, cookware and china: One for meat, one for dairy, and a special separate set for Passover (which is a whole other story).

As I said earlier, these day most Jews are not at all strict WRT keeping kosher, as it is difficult, expensive and cumbersome - but those Jews who do keep strictly kosher are DAMN SERIOUS, to ...


Your position was already clear. You are angry at Jews. Nice job you did though as to explaining why they deserve more anger and hate directed at them than other groups. It really saddens me that you take those kind of positions. You're a smart person, but cling to stupid ideas with whatever triggered your hate. I don't think you're a racist. You've been far acceptable off all cultures except for one little group. Why is that? Why so much hate for that one little group? I really hope you can figure it out one day, and come to peace with yourself.

/No. You shouldn't be the person to decide what they should, and shouldn't eat.
//Neither are the angry people who agree with you.
 
2012-01-31 08:21:14 PM

RoyBatty: Hey Amos Quito,

A week ago I asked you a question at the tail end of a thread, and I guess you never saw it (in time), and I would still like a reply, if you please:

In response to The First Four Black Sabbath Albums you said,



(MODS, PLEASE DON'T SPANK ME FOR THREADJACKING. THANKS)

Before I answer, I think it would be helpful to view my full statement in the full context of what The First Four Black Sabbath Albums actually said (otherwise it might seem confusing).

Please note the bolded:

QUOTE:

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: So, I am generally considered a Jew. I don't believe in God. I don't really follow the Jewish religion. But, my mom is Jewish, so I was considered Jewish enough to get a free trip to Israel. There, they tried to fill me with Zionist propaganda. But, I did get to go to a bunch of cool places and eat free food. So, I can't complain.

That being said, the level of anti-Semitism in this thread disturbs me. I'm not talking about being anti-funding for Israel. I'm talking about hatred of Jews. It makes me feel unsafe to be an American knowing there is such open hostility toward Jews. It's disgusting. If you have a problem with religious freedoms, you are living in the wrong country.


Amos Quito: So you don't believe in god, aren't religious and the only real "connection" you have to Judaism is that your mom is Jewish and you got a free Zionization Propaganda course in Israel - yet you feel "unsafe" because people dare to criticize the ethnocentric, clannish (and sometimes traitorous) behavior of certain American Jews?

Seems to me that your problem is one of identity, and that your solution is simple: Stop identifying yourself as a "Jew", stop telling everyone that you're a Jew, refuse to be dragged into the shiatstorms that the Zionists stir up and simply start acting like a Human American who is interested in furthering the best interests of Humans in general and Americans in particular - and encourage other "Jews" to do the same.

Problem solved. No?

END QUOTE

As you can see, TFFBSA stated clearly that he (personally) does not believe in god, and has little involvement with Judaism, yet he "feels unsafe" because he perceives that there is "open hostility toward Jews". My answer was primarily directed to his personal situation, though I feel that we would be MUCH better off as a society if we ALL were to abandon much of the clannish, tribalistic behavior that we have carried from the past, as this in-group mentality spawns xenophobia, bigotry, conflicts of interests, and actually degrades larger society.

So while my response was directed to TFFBSA's personal circumstances (as he expressed them to be), I feel that if we are to succeed in evolving into a global society, we MUST move toward abandoning this clannishness, racism, ethnocentrism, etc.

Otherwise we may well kill ourselves off as a species.

Does that answer your question?
 
2012-01-31 08:27:50 PM

muck4doo: You are angry at Jews.


No, he's not. He's merely claiming that the state has no business in supporting religious choices of its citizens with tax money, which include voluntary dietary choices. The state should enable its citizens to pursue such choices, if they desire, through non-interference (some limitations apply). So it's each citizens' right to pursue whatever religion they wish.

He's also saying that, on critical reflection, the 613 commandments in the Torah are bat-shiat insane. We could also delve into the absolutely bug-fark pronouncements of the Catholic Church, the Mormon Bible (which reads like bad fantasy), or the $cientologist sci-fi cult, for similar results. An analogous situation to the one in the article would be for the MA state gov't to subsidize Scientologist "run-downs" in old folks' homes; you cool with that? If not, why do you hate Scientologists?
 
2012-01-31 08:29:54 PM

Amos Quito: My answer was primarily directed to his personal situation, though I feel that we would be MUCH better off as a society if we ALL were to abandon much of the clannish, tribalistic behavior that we have carried from the past, as this in-group mentality spawns xenophobia, bigotry, conflicts of interests, and actually degrades larger society.


That would be much more believable from you if you didn't have that focus primarily on one group of people.
 
2012-01-31 08:39:01 PM

Kirkenhegelstein: muck4doo: You are angry at Jews.

No, he's not. He's merely claiming that the state has no business in supporting religious choices of its citizens with tax money, which include voluntary dietary choices. The state should enable its citizens to pursue such choices, if they desire, through non-interference (some limitations apply). So it's each citizens' right to pursue whatever religion they wish.

He's also saying that, on critical reflection, the 613 commandments in the Torah are bat-shiat insane. We could also delve into the absolutely bug-fark pronouncements of the Catholic Church, the Mormon Bible (which reads like bad fantasy), or the $cientologist sci-fi cult, for similar results. An analogous situation to the one in the article would be for the MA state gov't to subsidize Scientologist "run-downs" in old folks' homes; you cool with that? If not, why do you hate Scientologists?


No, he's not. I've seen enough of his posts in the past to know better than that. Notice he isn't mad at any other group for having special diets. If you've been paying attention you will always notice it is one particular group he is always angry with, in every thread. You can down play it all you want, but it doesn't change the truth. I like the guy personally, because he has brought up things in the past which made me think and learn from. He's an intelligent person. I just can't figure out how someone with his intellect has such warped and angry views when it comes to that one little group of people.
 
2012-01-31 08:39:55 PM
Came for the Professor Frink reference, leaving disappointed.
 
2012-01-31 08:44:19 PM

Sgt Otter: If it was anybody but Newt, I'd assume anything THAT sleazy must have been a false-flag plant.


that's a good point. a desperate move by a desperate man.
 
2012-01-31 08:47:56 PM

Amos Quito: So while my response was directed to TFFBSA's personal circumstances (as he expressed them to be), I feel that if we are to succeed in evolving into a global society, we MUST move toward abandoning this clannishness, racism, ethnocentrism, etc.Otherwise we may well kill ourselves off as a species.Does that answer your question?


Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

You answer only partially. While you answered in terms of apple pie generalities, I asked you some specifics, and I asked you about your own background.

Amos, is this your prescription for yourself and for everyone?

That the Irish don't identify as Irish, the Catholic as Catholic, the Iranians as Iranian, the Muslims as Muslim, the queer as queer, the feminist as feminist, blacks as black?

Since you seem to prescribe for us what we should believe and how we should act in these issues, will you tell us what your ethnic, religious, and cultural background is? So that we can better understand literally where you come from and what you are going to give up?

Or is this only a prescription for the Jews?


I frequently misunderstand, my idiocy showing through, what other people write, and you're writing about a very touchy subject, so I am just asking you to bring it down to earth for me.

clannish, tribalistic behavior that we have carried from the past, as this in-group mentality spawns xenophobia, bigotry, conflicts of interests I think I understand and agree with much of this.

Specifically, which groups do you think are contributing to this and should stop?

The gays? Catholics? Muslims? The Irish? The elderly?

I don't recall seeing you in other threads telling these groups to knock it off. That's probably my own fault though.

Can you explain why you appear to single out the Jews in these threads for your advice?

As I think I explained earlier, your suggestion that Jews (and I guess all other groups) throw off their shackles of identity and assimilate with the norm, really seems to privilege the norm at the expense of any minority group, whether they have experience oppression (from the norm) or not.

Since you are asking us to give up a rich cultural history, and cultural values, and identification in a group we love, to assimilate with the norm, it seems reasonable to wonder what you are going to be giving up.

Which brings me to the part of the question you didn't answer.

So we can better understand your own sacrifices in this combined journey, can you tell us a bit more of your own background, without getting too personal, but where are you from? What country do you live in? What's your religious, and ethnic background? About how old are you?

I'm a 50ish, mostly atheist, cultural Jew, lower middle class, mostly liberal, often employed, dude, born in LA, living (if you can call it that) in AZ. Last in a synagogue about a year ago. Keep mostly kosher. (Not exactly sure why (apart from Tevye's one word response.))
 
2012-01-31 08:49:59 PM

muck4doo: Your position was already clear. You are angry at Jews. Nice job you did though as to explaining why they deserve more anger and hate directed at them than other groups. It really saddens me that you take those kind of positions. You're a smart person, but cling to stupid ideas with whatever triggered your hate. I don't think you're a racist. You've been far acceptable off all cultures except for one little group. Why is that? Why so much hate for that one little group? I really hope you can figure it out one day, and come to peace with yourself.

/No. You shouldn't be the person to decide what they should, and shouldn't eat.
//Neither are the angry people who agree with you.



Frankly I'm a bit taken aback at your response, muck4doo. I just went to a fair amount of trouble to explain (some of) the complex differences between kosher dietary laws and others, and the trouble and expense involved with adhering to those customs. Did you even read what I wrote?

You're right - what other people choose to eat and why is their business, and frankly I couldn't care less - unless I am expected to foot the bill for tastes that are unusually expensive.

If you threw a Fark party, and everyone was happily drinking the beer you provided, how would you feel if I showed up and, citing my Scottish heritage, indignantly insisted that you provide me with 12 year old single malt? And at YOUR expense?

Now you may say that my request was outrageous, and that if I wanted fancy-assed liquor I sould have brought my own - but then I might counter that you have no respect for my Scottish heritage, and that you have NO RIGHT to tell me what I should or should not drink. Hell, I might even accuse you of anti-Kiltism. And that's basically what you're doing to me for clarifying my point that when people have "special needs" born purely out of religious or ethnic tradition, they should bring their own damn scotch.
 
2012-01-31 09:05:08 PM

Amos Quito: muck4doo: Your position was already clear. You are angry at Jews. Nice job you did though as to explaining why they deserve more anger and hate directed at them than other groups. It really saddens me that you take those kind of positions. You're a smart person, but cling to stupid ideas with whatever triggered your hate. I don't think you're a racist. You've been far acceptable off all cultures except for one little group. Why is that? Why so much hate for that one little group? I really hope you can figure it out one day, and come to peace with yourself.

/No. You shouldn't be the person to decide what they should, and shouldn't eat.
//Neither are the angry people who agree with you.


Frankly I'm a bit taken aback at your response, muck4doo. I just went to a fair amount of trouble to explain (some of) the complex differences between kosher dietary laws and others, and the trouble and expense involved with adhering to those customs. Did you even read what I wrote?

You're right - what other people choose to eat and why is their business, and frankly I couldn't care less - unless I am expected to foot the bill for tastes that are unusually expensive.

If you threw a Fark party, and everyone was happily drinking the beer you provided, how would you feel if I showed up and, citing my Scottish heritage, indignantly insisted that you provide me with 12 year old single malt? And at YOUR expense?

Now you may say that my request was outrageous, and that if I wanted fancy-assed liquor I sould have brought my own - but then I might counter that you have no respect for my Scottish heritage, and that you have NO RIGHT to tell me what I should or should not drink. Hell, I might even accuse you of anti-Kiltism. And that's basically what you're doing to me for clarifying my point that when people have "special needs" born purely out of religious or ethnic tradition, they should bring their own damn scotch.


Except in this case the people attending have been pitching in for years or decades telling you what they want to drink, but instead you told them "Fark that! You're silly and your tastes are silly! I will serve you whatever i damn will please, because it is me that who has to go buy it! You just payed for it. fark you! Go be picky off your own dime somewhere else! Or be smart! Like me"
 
2012-01-31 09:16:26 PM

Amos Quito: Frankly I'm a bit taken aback at your response, muck4doo


Don't be taken a back. I disagree with you on something. Strongly. I don't like seeing people being hated on for their religious beliefs as long as they aren't hurting anyone. Doesn't mean I don't agree with you on other things. Like I said above, I've learned a lot from some of the posts you made in other topics. This subject however, you are plain wrong. I've also noted you have strong opinions when it comes to that one particular group of people. You've been pretty obvious with that in the past, and I'm not the first to notice it. Don't get mad at me for stating the obvious. Do a little soul searching, and ask yourself what got you to that point. Why are you so angry with them?
 
2012-01-31 10:13:30 PM

Tatsuma: Taxomney McMormoncare


Taxomney McMormoncare? Oh, I'm so stealing that.
 
2012-01-31 10:22:31 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Philip Francis Queeg: Ahh, so not "Separate but equal" but "Gentiles only".

Got it.

Considering that Gentile means "everybody except us special people", I don't see how it is even entertained as a legitimate position.


Interestingly enough, in the past Mormons have been known to use the term "gentile" when speaking of non-members. However, I believe it's fairly uncommon to use the term nowadays.
 
2012-01-31 10:32:22 PM

muck4doo: That would be much more believable from you if you didn't have that focus primarily on one group of people.


AND

RoyBatty:
Since you are asking us to give up a rich cultural history, and cultural values, and identification in a group we love, to assimilate with the norm, it seems reasonable to wonder what you are going to be giving up.

Which brings me to the part of the question you didn't answer.

So we can better understand your own sacrifices in this combined journey, can you tell us a bit more of your own background, without getting too personal, but where are you from? What country do you live in? What's your religious, and ethnic background? About how old are you?



I'll answer you both with one shot:

First, a silhouette bio: I'm male, 50ish, whitish, of Western European heritage (Scot, Irish, English, Nordic - not necessarily in that order - potpourii). I was brought up in a religion, but was never comfortable in it, and began studying and exploring other religions in an attempt to find my "place". I learned a lot, and what I found was that organized religion and most associated belief systems are not compatible to where we are evolving as a society - especially in this technologically driven age.

So I am not religious, but neither am I an "atheist" in the classical sense, in that I am presently inclined toward the idea that there is a larger consciousness that pervades not only humanity, but the whole of the universe. There is only one thing.

If you have a minute, here is a cool video (new window).

What sacrifices can I make? I identify myself as a human being who was born and happily lives in the USA on the planet Earth. As an Earthling I am obviously concerned with the best interests of the planet that supports me, and the beings that share the planet with me. As American Is my home, I am more specifically concerned with the interests of my nation and its relationships with other nations, as these have a tendency directly affect me. Of course I am also concerned with the best interests of my state, my city, my family and my home. I think that's pretty natural, don't you?

As I don't strongly identify with any race, religion, ethnicity or "culture" (other than the one that surrounds me), I see that there is little I could "sacrifice". I am a fan of history, but I'm not into ancestor worship or nostalgia, except that I do have an affinity for my nation and its Constitution, because while it may not be perfect, it is a rare jewel in its egalitarian construction, and I happen to believe that it is (was) the best form of government yet conceived by man.

Now to the additional question that both of you asked.

When I observe our evolution as a species, one thing troubles me more than any other - and that is the natural clinging to divisions: Ethnocentrism, racism, "nationalism" religious supremacism - all of these were spawned from ancient tribalist tendencies that, while they served us well through most of our history, and no doubt helped us to successfully evolve as a species, have become a MAJOR liability to humanity AND the planet itself thanks to advancements in transportation and technology.

The inter-group clashes that we experienced in the past are no longer necessarily minimal and localized. Our population has grown, society is concentrating into increasingly larger groups, and global communication is instantaneous. Additionally, we now have the ability to rain global hell down on ourselves and the planet. We can quite literally wipe ourselves out overnight.

The perceived divisions that we cling to - the nationalism, ethnocentrism, racism and religious beliefs that cause us to differentiate ourselves from one another - while perfectly natural - are certain to be the primer that sets of the "bomb". These (and inter-group the competition for resources) are the primary source of dangerous tension that currently exists on the planet.

We cannot afford to cling to clannishness, ethnocentrism etc. if we hope to survive and evolve as a species. If we are to succeed, our social evolution must parallel our technological advancements - and we're WAY behind. We're like a toddler with a flame thrower.

Why do I pay what you might believe is an inordinate amount of attention to a certain group? It may be because that particular group uniquely exemplifies the very spirit of separation, clanishness, ethnocentrism and nationalism more profoundly than any other I have encountered. Indeed, these characteristics are the very glue that has held this group together as a separate and distinct "people" through thousands of years of dwelling in diaspora - a nation within nations that refused to assimilate in spite of enormous pressure to do so.

While group solidarity is not necessarily a "bad" thing, trouble begins when the "perceived" interests of one self-identified group clash wit the "perceived" interests of another or others. This scenario has repeated itself time and again throughout history, often with disasterous results, and frankly that is what I see happening again, and it does NOT bode well for the best interests of ANY group, of humanity as a whole, or of the planet itself.

Watch that pot. It's about to boil over.

Long enough for one post?
 
2012-01-31 11:00:24 PM

Amos Quito: First, a silhouette bio: I'm male, 50ish, whitish, of Western European heritage (Scot, Irish, English, Nordic - not necessarily in that order - potpourii).


Again thanks.

I don't have the time for the video, but I did read your entire response.

So you are a white, middle aged male, a classically "privileged" and identifiable member (though you claim to be indifferent to it) of the dominant culture of our era.

Now, that may not be so true in the coming years.

But it is certainly true in the case of 2012, United States, Amos Quito vs. The Jews

And your suggestion boils down, because you told me you think the Jews should assimilate completely, your suggestion for anyone not like you, is to become like you.

Okay, so though I agree with you that all this nationalism crap begets war after war and poisons the well, your suggestion that we all become white nordics is both unrealistic as well as well, a classical example of cultural imperialism.

And I can't stand modern feminism or many of these identity politics groups, so I am annoyed I find myself talking this way with words like "privilege". Ugh.

So I ask you again, since as you admit, you don't perceive much for you to sacrifice along our journey, but you are asking / demanding that I and all others give up much that we place great value on, and we do so by becoming more like you, well,

Do you expect that's going to occur?
Or understand why you seem to piss people off?
Or seem to attract agreement with others that have hateful attitudes towards Jews that you yourself do not support?

The way to end nationalism is probably not by going after the tiny groups and demand they give up all they hold special and become like you and your friends.

I can't quite reconcile this: "It may be because that particular group uniquely exemplifies the very spirit of separation, clanishness, ethnocentrism and nationalism more profoundly than any other I have encountered. Indeed, these characteristics are the very glue that has held this group together as a separate and distinct "people" through thousands of years of dwelling in diaspora - a nation within nations that refused to assimilate in spite of enormous pressure to do so."

with your belief that by "stalking" every thread to criticize not just Israeli policy, or American Jewish attitudes towards Israel or their neighbors but to also criticize Jewish laws about keeping kosher or their faith, you will have a positive affect on getting Jews to renounce their ingroup preferences or traditions.

And compared to some of the practices of other identify groups, whether it's repression of women, or obnoxious litigation, or worse, I find your focus on the effects of keeping kosher on the ruination of the American dream a bit bizarre.

But thanks, I appreciate the response.
 
2012-01-31 11:01:40 PM
Hey, if you don't mind, who is Amos Quito? Is there a book, a movie, a game I should pick up?
 
2012-01-31 11:25:13 PM

Amos Quito: muck4doo: That would be much more believable from you if you didn't have that focus primarily on one group of people.

AND

RoyBatty: Since you are asking us to give up a rich cultural history, and cultural values, and identification in a group we love, to assimilate with the norm, it seems reasonable to wonder what you are going to be giving up.

Which brings me to the part of the question you didn't answer.

So we can better understand your own sacrifices in this combined journey, can you tell us a bit more of your own background, without getting too personal, but where are you from? What country do you live in? What's your religious, and ethnic background? About how old are you?


I'll answer you both with one shot:

First, a silhouette bio: I'm male, 50ish, whitish, of Western European heritage (Scot, Irish, English, Nordic - not necessarily in that order - potpourii). I was brought up in a religion, but was never comfortable in it, and began studying and exploring other religions in an attempt to find my "place". I learned a lot, and what I found was that organized religion and most associated belief systems are not compatible to where we are evolving as a society - especially in this technologically driven age.

So I am not religious, but neither am I an "atheist" in the classical sense, in that I am presently inclined toward the idea that there is a larger consciousness that pervades not only humanity, but the whole of the universe. There is only one thing.

If you have a minute, here is a cool video (new window).

What sacrifices can I make? I identify myself as a human being who was born and happily lives in the USA on the planet Earth. As an Earthling I am obviously concerned with the best interests of the planet that supports me, and the beings that share the planet with me. As American Is my home, I am more specifically concerned with the interests of my nation and its relationships with other nations, as these have a tendency directly affect me. Of cou ...


Ah, so lose their identity and become more like you, then you won't be so hateful against them. Got it. It was so simple all along. They just need to do what you say, those silly people. Funny you never ask that of any other ethnic group. Really Amos, think about what it is about that one particular group that bothers you so much. See ya in another thread. Hopefully nothing to do with this subject. I like you in those.
 
2012-01-31 11:44:14 PM

Amos Quito: If you have a minute, here is a cool video (new window).


That's the Zombocom guy narrating, isn't it.

UFT seems to be just common sense though, doesn't it?

Glad it's not just me.
 
2012-01-31 11:49:26 PM

Amos Quito: Why do I pay what you might believe is an inordinate amount of attention to a certain group? It may be because that particular group uniquely exemplifies the very spirit of separation, clanishness, ethnocentrism and nationalism more profoundly than any other I have encountered. Indeed, these characteristics are the very glue that has held this group together as a separate and distinct "people" through thousands of years of dwelling in diaspora - a nation within nations that refused to assimilate in spite of enormous pressure to do so.


And have been stomped on over 200 times by different cultures, races, government models etc. And whine, like a woman who has just been raped for the 201st time. Does not mean that you condone rape if you ask her, "Why?"
 
2012-01-31 11:53:07 PM

RoyBatty: I find your focus on the effects of keeping kosher on the ruination of the American dream a bit bizarre.


15% of the population funellling 90% of the media news and campaign monies doesn't strike you as odd?
 
2012-02-01 12:24:32 AM

RoyBatty: Okay, so though I agree with you that all this nationalism crap begets war after war and poisons the well, your suggestion that we all become white nordics is both unrealistic as well as well, a classical example of cultural imperialism.



What? I suggested that "we all become white nordics"???

When? Where?

Look, if "white nordics" are are in favor of the idea that we should abandon obsolete notions of tribalism and work together toward the general advancement of the species, I'm all for the Nordic Plan.

Otherwise, not so much.


muck4doo: Really Amos, think about what it is about that one particular group that bothers you so much.



Reread my previous offering.


muck4doo: See ya in another thread. Hopefully nothing to do with this subject. I like you in those.



Fist bump.

Perception + memory = "reality".

Perception changes.
 
2012-02-01 12:25:05 AM
Not only did Obomney veto the Kosher food bill, he slipped in a rider that requires all the animals used for the Traif meals be baptized as Mormons after slaughter.
 
2012-02-01 12:38:38 AM

Amos Quito: What? I suggested that "we all become white nordics"???


That was a bit of a rude summary on my part.

You have said over and over the Jews should assimilate completely, and so should everyone else.

That basically means becoming white Caucasian Protestants much more than it means becoming some sort of futurtopia enlightened star fleet netizen.

(That's why I posted the Borg picture in response to you the other day when you suggested assimilation is a good thing.)
 
2012-02-01 06:30:23 AM
King Something 2012-01-31 03:38:08 PM


Impasse: King Something: Does anyone have that pick from Fox News that shows how the candidates were polling in Iowa? The one where they "accidentally" put Obama's face over the "Romney" caption while the rest of them had the correct glamour shots?

A quick GIS of 'fox obama romney' yields a bit.

[www.mediaite.com]


Oh goody a new toy for us to play with!!
 
2012-02-01 07:41:18 AM

Amos Quito: Why do I pay what you might believe is an inordinate amount of attention to a certain group? It may be because that particular group uniquely exemplifies the very spirit of separation, clanishness, ethnocentrism and nationalism more profoundly than any other I have encountered. Indeed, these characteristics are the very glue that has held this group together as a separate and distinct "people" through thousands of years of dwelling in diaspora - a nation within nations that refused to assimilate in spite of enormous pressure to do so.


Do you really think American Jews haven't assimilated? It seems to me that while we still have some elements of a separate culture, we have assimilated very well. My great grandparents came here from Eastern Europe, learned English immediately, gave their children "American" names, and maybe continued a few Jewish customs, like celebrating certain holidays. My grandfather was in the military, his brother was killed fighting for the US in WW2. I have a PhD in statistics, work at a university, consider myself an atheist, and am in a relationship with someone who isn't Jewish. Most of the other Jews I know have similar stories. It is offensive for me to hear someone saying that we still haven't assimilated. In Europe before the Holocaust, Jews were very well assimilated into European culture. You may remember that they were highly represented in the sciences. It ended up not mattering how well assimilated any of them were.
 
2012-02-01 08:55:59 AM

Tatsuma: That was our reaction around here. That, and 'Seriously, can't they shut up about Jews and Israel? I mean, seriously there's a whole campaign and so many issues going on. Leave us alone for five minutes'.


The more airtime Israel gets, the more media spin is required to offset scrutiny of Israel's foreign assistance money.
 
2012-02-01 12:12:54 PM

sweetmelissa31: Amos Quito: Why do I pay what you might believe is an inordinate amount of attention to a certain group? It may be because that particular group uniquely exemplifies the very spirit of separation, clanishness, ethnocentrism and nationalism more profoundly than any other I have encountered. Indeed, these characteristics are the very glue that has held this group together as a separate and distinct "people" through thousands of years of dwelling in diaspora - a nation within nations that refused to assimilate in spite of enormous pressure to do so.

Do you really think American Jews haven't assimilated?



In a word, no.


sweetmelissa31: It seems to me that while we still have some elements of a separate culture, we have assimilated very well.


Assimilate: "to conform or adjust to the customs, attitudes, etc., of a group, nation, or the like"

In-group (vs out-group) identity remains very strong among American Jews who, despite hailing from many different countries of origin (Russia, Eastern/Western Europe, the Middle East) and having different native tongues, have retained their sense of kinship with one another AS JEWS. They have retained their ethnic identity and separatism, demonstrably focusing their political energies to achieve goals that are perceived to benefit their ethnic group, rather than the America as a whole.

Example from yesterday's Jerusalem Post: (new window)

QUOTES

For Floridian Jews, Israel factors into primary

As Republicans cast votes in Florida primary, local Jews dissect candidates' positions toward the Jewish state

HOLLYWOOD, Florida - As a registered Democrat, Harriette Moses was unable to vote Tuesday in Florida's Republicansonly primary, but boy did she want to crash the party.

"This year I really wished I was in the Republican Party," said the mother of three as she stood outside the polling station at Hollywood's Young Israel synagogue, of which she is a member. "I very much do not want the current president. I'm not happy with what I see as his position towards Israel."

Of the Republican candidates, Moses said she liked Mitt Romney, in part because "he's publicly stated that he would do whatever he can to show support for Israel."

[...]

Sid Dinerstein, chairman of the Republican Party of nearby Palm Beach County, indicated that Moses is hardly alone in her preference. He said of Jewish Independents and Democrats who plan to break tradition and vote against Obama this year, Romney is the favorite.

[...]

Like many others, they question Romney's commitment to conservative positions on social issues, to which he has pledged adherence despite holding more moderate views when he was governor of Massachusetts.

"No one believes him," said Dinerstein. "That helps him with this group." [They see him as a LIAR and count that as a PLUS???]

"With Jewish Republicans," Dinerstein said, "so long as the next president is not Barack Obama or Ron Paul, we're fine." Paul has turned off many Jewish voters by calling for cutting all foreign aid, including aid to Israel, opposing sanctions on Iran on free trade grounds, and generally articulating an isolationist foreign policy.

Dinerstein added, "If it's Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich, there's no issue with Israel because it would be taken care of" by both.

[Notice that those Jews who do favor Obama ALSO base their feelings on how they perceive the President's stand on Israel]

"When it comes to Israel, we have only to look to the Israeli leadership and their commentary on President Obama's remarkable record on Israel," she said in response to a question from The Jerusalem Post Tuesday. "According to Ehud Barak, Israel has no greater friend... He has repeatedly said, as has President [Shimon] Peres, as has Prime Minister [Binyamin] Netanyahu, that our security relationship has never been stronger between the two countries."

"The overwhelming majority of Jewish voters are Democrats," said Wasserman Schultz, a Florida representative, who was visiting the Meyerhoff Senior Center to deliver a blistering attack on Romney's stance on Medicare. "Because [Obama] has demonstrated in word and deed his strong support and commitment to the US-Israel relationship, I think he'll enjoy the overwhelming support of Jewish voters here in Florida and across the country."

END QUOTES

As the article plainly shows, Jewish "Americans" tend to structure their political views not on who or what will serve the best interests of America, but of Israel - A FOREIGN NATION - and of Jews in general.

You may call that "assimilation". I call bullshiat.

Can you realistically expect non-Jewish Americans to support policies that favor Israel to the detriment of America as a whole? For how long?


sweetmelissa31: It is offensive for me to hear someone saying that we still haven't assimilated.



Well, it seems very clear that Jews have NOT assimilated, doesn't it? Sorry if you're "offended" by that fact.


sweetmelissa31: In Europe before the Holocaust, Jews were very well assimilated into European culture. You may remember that they were highly represented in the sciences. It ended up not mattering how well assimilated any of them were.



Being "highly represented in the sciences" is not an indicator of assimilation into the culture(s). Then as now there was a rift between the perceived interests of Jews vs the perceived interests of non-Jews. This naturally created a cultural clash that resulted in calamity.

This clash in perceived us vs them interests is again creating a rift that is very likely to once again cause serious trouble. You seem to believe that the best way to avoid this trouble is to convince yourself and others that there is no conflict of group interests.

I for one don't think that this strategy will be effective.

Might there be other possible strategies to consider?
 
2012-02-01 12:26:37 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: Amos Quito: If you have a minute, here is a cool video (new window).

That's the Zombocom guy narrating, isn't it.

UFT seems to be just common sense though, doesn't it?

Glad it's not just me.



There is only one thing.
 
2012-02-01 12:31:28 PM

Amos Quito: Example from yesterday's Jerusalem Post: (new window)


Amos Quito: Being "highly represented in the sciences" is not an indicator of assimilation into the culture(s). Then as now there was a rift between the perceived interests of Jews vs the perceived interests of non-Jews. This naturally created a cultural clash that resulted in calamity.


You're conflating all Jews with Florida Republicans and then implying that Jews are setting themselves up for a second Holocaust. That's interesting.
 
2012-02-01 12:43:00 PM

sweetmelissa31: You're conflating all Jews with Florida Republicans and then implying that Jews are setting themselves up for a second Holocaust. That's interesting.


please just ignore the neo-nazis. there is nothing that can be done to convince them. self-defence is the only way.
 
2012-02-01 01:03:57 PM

proteus_b: sweetmelissa31: You're conflating all Jews with Florida Republicans and then implying that Jews are setting themselves up for a second Holocaust. That's interesting.

please just ignore the neo-nazis. there is nothing that can be done to convince them. self-defence is the only way.


So the upside is, it's good to know the Amos Quitos exist, it's not just my paranoia.

It's sad the internet allows them to connect and encourage and motivate each other, but it enables all sorts of other, better, groups to connect as well, and it's good for the rest of us to be able to see the rantings and hate and understand it's not dead yet.

I don't believe I've experienced much overt anti-semitism, but there have been one or two occasions that have left me wondering.

And while it's absolutely true that criticizing Israel does not make one an anti-semite, regardless, in various FARK threads the criticism go way beyond criticizing the government's stupid policies into strange conspiracy theories and anti-semitism.

Oh well, in another news for or about idiots, I finally figured out what the hell Amos Quito's handle means. shiat. I've wondered about that for far too long. Point goes to Amos Quito you farktard.
 
2012-02-01 01:08:19 PM

sweetmelissa31: Amos Quito: Example from yesterday's Jerusalem Post: (new window)

Amos Quito: Being "highly represented in the sciences" is not an indicator of assimilation into the culture(s). Then as now there was a rift between the perceived interests of Jews vs the perceived interests of non-Jews. This naturally created a cultural clash that resulted in calamity.

You're conflating all Jews with Florida Republicans



No, not ALL Jews, just the preponderance. And did you miss the comments of the Democrats?

I cited the article on Florida as it is a timely reference. Do you feel that the issues shaping the political views of Jewish voters in Florida differ significantly from Jews in other parts of the country?

Got cites?


sweetmelissa31: and then implying that Jews are setting themselves up for a second Holocaust. That's interesting.


I suggest that you apply some of the critical thinking skills that you acquired in the pursuit of your PhD to studying the history of the culture clashes that preceded WWII and the Holocaust.

Or you could follow the suggestion of proteus_b.

allisyar.files.wordpress.com

Which ever you feel will best benefit you in the long run.
 
2012-02-01 01:23:32 PM

RoyBatty: proteus_b: sweetmelissa31: You're conflating all Jews with Florida Republicans and then implying that Jews are setting themselves up for a second Holocaust. That's interesting.

please just ignore the neo-nazis. there is nothing that can be done to convince them. self-defence is the only way.

So the upside is, it's good to know the Amos Quitos exist, it's not just my paranoia.



When the interests of one self-identified group run contrary to the interests of the larger group, there are bound to be clashes. It's not just your paranoia, it's a simple fact.


RoyBatty: It's sad the internet allows them to connect and encourage and motivate each other, but it enables all sorts of other, better, groups to connect as well, and it's good for the rest of us to be able to see the rantings and hate and understand it's not dead yet.



Hate? Now surfaces the paranoia.


RoyBatty: And while it's absolutely true that criticizing Israel does not make one an anti-semite, regardless, in various FARK threads the criticism go way beyond criticizing the government's stupid policies into strange conspiracy theories and anti-semitism.



By "anti-Semitism" I must assume that you mean anything that you believe might run contrary to the perceived interests of Semitists and Semitism, no?

If anti-Semitism is the antitheses, what would be the thesis?

Don't let your emotions overrun you logic.
 
2012-02-01 01:38:36 PM

Amos Quito: RoyBatty: And while it's absolutely true that criticizing Israel does not make one an anti-semite, regardless, in various FARK threads the criticism go way beyond criticizing the government's stupid policies into strange conspiracy theories and anti-semitism.By "anti-Semitism" I must assume that you mean anything that you believe might run contrary to the perceived interests of Semitists and Semitism, no?


No, I think I've been quite clear.

I mean irrational behavior like yours, stalking threads that have nothing to do with Israel or even Jews to carp about the laws of kashrut. Behavior like yours in which you claim to want world peace, but never mention anything other than the heinous crimes of the Jews.

If you actually wanted to talk about polices and real world behaviors that matter concerning all groups, you would not be an anti-semite.

That you focus exclusively on the Jews and only the Jews and bring it up everywhere even when it is totally irrelevant makes you an anti-semite. Almost by definition.
 
2012-02-01 02:09:29 PM

RoyBatty: Amos Quito: RoyBatty: And while it's absolutely true that criticizing Israel does not make one an anti-semite, regardless, in various FARK threads the criticism go way beyond criticizing the government's stupid policies into strange conspiracy theories and anti-semitism.


By "anti-Semitism" I must assume that you mean anything that you believe might run contrary to the perceived interests of Semitists and Semitism, no?

No, I think I've been quite clear.

I mean irrational behavior like yours, stalking threads that have nothing to do with Israel or even Jews to carp about the laws of kashrut


Headline of this thread: In today's you-can't-make-this-shiat-up news, a pro-Gingrich robocall is claiming Romney forced Holocaust survivors to eat non-kosher food

Where else have I "carped about the laws of kashrut?" [Citation needed]

You're going off the deep end here, RoyBatty.


RoyBatty: If you actually wanted to talk about polices and real world behaviors that matter concerning all groups, you would not be an anti-semite.

That you focus exclusively on the Jews and only the Jews and bring it up everywhere even when it is totally irrelevant makes you an anti-semite. Almost by definition.



I don't know whether you've noticed, but for a minority that makes up only 1.7% of the US population, Jews are inordinately "relevant" in American society, and have a powerful influence on both foreign and domestic policy. When Jews pursue their perceived group interests, this impacts the lives of ALL Americans, and said impact is NOT necessarily perceived as innocuous by non-Jews.

That is a fact.

Perhaps you would prefer that everyone ignore the obvious?
 
2012-02-01 02:31:39 PM

Amos Quito: Where else have I "carped about the laws of kashrut?" [Citation needed]


My apologies, I thought you were all over the bakery thread from a few days ago, but somehow you missed that opportunity, so good for you.

Amos Quito: I don't know whether you've noticed, but for a minority that makes up only 1.7% of the US population, Jews are inordinately "relevant" in American society, and have a powerful influence on both foreign and domestic policy. When Jews pursue their perceived group interests, this impacts the lives of ALL Americans, and said impact is NOT necessarily perceived as innocuous by non-Jews.


Yeah, it's a shame, we live in a combined democracy and meritocracy where people are free to pursue their own interests and rise to their level of incompetence. I can just see you now protesting that there are more gays in government and academia and in the professional ranks far exceeding their numbers in society. And the same with asians, and even women.

Except you're not doing that. You're complaining about the Jews, as a group.

So what happens when Jewish and Asian parents stress book learning, education, and have high expectations? You get lots of individuals as doctors, lawyers, etc.

So screw you mosquito man.

You've got some bone up your ass about the Jews, and you stalk FARK threads, just like your handle says, a mosquito, constantly buzzing and needling and annoying and with your high pitched whine, begging for attention.

And you're certainly being honest about why you dislike the Jews, when everything that you say about the need for groups to assimilate would be true for all groups if you actually believed that shiat.

And when it comes right down to it, as I've shown, your prescription for world peace is that everyone give up their cultural values and become just like you.

You know who else wanted everyone to look and act like him?

This guy: Four O'Clock (new window)
 
2012-02-01 02:33:56 PM

RoyBatty: And you're certainly NOT being honest about why you dislike the Jews, when everything that you say about the need for groups to assimilate would be true for all groups if you actually believed that shiat.

 
2012-02-01 02:43:16 PM

RoyBatty: RoyBatty: And you're certainly NOT being honest about why you dislike the Jews, when everything that you say about the need for groups to assimilate would be true for all groups if you actually believed that shiat.


I think he is being honest about it. He dislikes them for the reasons mentioned in Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
 
Displayed 50 of 206 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report