I've heard it put like this:

Boise State is a community college with a city attached to it.

Also, while they can win a lot of games, they don't run a "pro style" offense which many top recruits think helps their chances for a shot in the NFL.

because their kicker sucks?

My personal feeling is the BCS is starting to know it is going to go away if they don't do something quick.

My tinfoil theory:
It started with the Big10/Pac12 agreement - my guess would be the extend the agreement to the SEC and most likely the ACC and almost create their own division where they can have a conference championship - that winner goes in the 4 team tourney and then a NC game. They could also still have the other bowl game affiliations to keep the money coming in. This way there is no money to share with the BCS people and it all goes directly to the big4.

If this is the case then the best of the Big 12/East/ND will all have to join one of the Big4 and have the 4 16 team conferences

Yep. Idaho sucks. Please spread the word.

And Boise State does not necessarily want the prima donna types anyways. They are good at developing talent and are looking for kids that are not afraid of a little work.

IAmRight: In the past: Who wouldn't want to go and play their games in such majestic football hotspots as Boise, Idaho; Reno, Nevada; Laramie, Wyoming; and Monroe, Louisiana?

now you'll get to fly for hours and hours to play in such sweet locales such as; new brunswick storrs, the iraq

IAmRight: One of the players that dropped to our school in FCS wasn't even given any stars. All he did was end up getting drafted into the NFL as a junior (from the FCS!)

Yep. Even Kellen Moore was only recruited by Idaho, EWU and Boise.

A Fark Handle: IAmRight: In the past: Who wouldn't want to go and play their games in such majestic football hotspots as Boise, Idaho; Reno, Nevada; Laramie, Wyoming; and Monroe, Louisiana?

now you'll get to fly for hours and hours to play in such sweet locales such as; new brunswick storrs, the iraq

As opposed to all those prior hours flying to Hawaii and Rushton?

/pretty much a wash if the Big East can fill in that west division with BYU.

Idaho? Who'd want to go there when you can go to such gloriously wondrous places like Alabama and Ohio. I mean...come on!

IAmRight: rcf1105: Because nobody wants to go play for a school where you know that you will never ever get the chance to play for the national championship (and likely not even a BCS bowl), no matter how well you play.

That being said, the concept of a 4 and 5 star players is overrated. Great coaches can turn a dedicated group of average recruits into a great team.

One of the players that dropped to our school in FCS wasn't even given any stars. All he did was end up getting drafted into the NFL as a junior (from the FCS!)

Everyone likes to mock how often Mel Kiper Jr is wrong, right? Well HS recruits are like guessing if a college player is going to succeed in the NFL, only much less accurate.

That happens with some frequency. The reason they don't get star ratings is usually that their grades are too low for the big FBS schools, or that they have the potential for major criminal problems that keep the FBS schools away.

That's also why Boise gets some good players. Boise is basically a glorified community college that will take kids who big-name "dumb" schools -- West Virginia being the obvious example -- won't touch.

As far as star ratings go, the biggest problem with them is that there's no reliable way to project intelligence as a player. The evaluators can tell you if he has a good frame for putting on weight (linemen), good hips (CBs), etc. And they can tell you if his grades are a concern. But they can't tell you "This kid's going to understand Coach X's defense well."

Yes, it's all due to the unfairness of the BCS and lack of tradition. There's no other reason for young athletes to choose USC, UCLA, Arizona State, and Texas. It certainly is not the quality of the "prospects" on those campuses as well as the quality of education from those schools (well, not ASU)... no, definitely can't be those factors...

IAmRight: One of the players that dropped to our school in FCS wasn't even given any stars. All he did was end up getting drafted into the NFL as a junior (from the FCS!)

Uh huh. And this happens for what, one out of every 100,000 kids? Heart counts for something, sure, but they don't just randomly assign those star ratings, it's serious farking business. You know damn well a team with 4 and 5 stars up and down the roster is going to beat "gritty, gutty" 9 times out of 10.

1) Boise
2) Idaho
3) Utah Jr.
4) MWC
5) Boise

Are there any more reasons than that to deter a young man away from Boise St?

Boise does have a very poor academic record(reason why they're not in the Pac12).

That said, you go to places like Boise if you're that A-/B+ prospect that will sit behind the A+ prospect in your same draft class at a major BCS school. Boise will almost always be a good enough team as long as they stay healthy because they'll get talented players that want to start immediately rather than the potential of being so far down the depth chart they'll never even sniff a game simply because schools like USC are already deep at their position with 5 and 4 star prospects, some of which will be upper classman who will get the shot before you. Yea, Kellen Moore wouldn't start for 4 years at USC, Ohio State, etc, but it's not because he's bad, it's just because the line starts around the side of the building when you're a freshman at a school like that.

1. BSU does run a Pro-Style Offense They ran the Spread when Dan Hawkins was the Head Coach 7 years ago
2. BSU's doesn't take people who don't have good high school grades or have lots of legal issues. As much as possible, they do try to weed out the problem kids.
3. BSU APR rankings for getting people graduated is extremely high for football
4. Non-AQ in the current system, probably the most accurate part of the argument. Next season is BSU's last in the MWC, then they will be in the BigEast, and be an AQ school.

weiserfireman: 4. Non-AQ in the current system, probably the most accurate part of the argument. Next season is BSU's last in the MWC, then they will be in the BigEast, and be an AQ school.

If the AQ status is even aroud by then. I am hoping not.

I keep looking at the US map and I still can't find a state named Boise.

/And while you're at it, please point to where the state of Murray is.

I don't understand; did BSU think making a lateral move to the Big East would increase their chances of getting respect? Because beating up on Pitt, Rutgers, and UConn instead of SDSU, New Mexico, and Colorado State is so much more impressive.

hulk hogan meat shoes: I don't understand; did BSU think making a lateral move to the Big East would increase their chances of getting respect? Because beating up on Pitt, Rutgers, and UConn instead of SDSU, New Mexico, and Colorado State is so much more impressive.

$$$ cough, cough $$$

IAmRight: Idaho is pretty but the main problem with them is that they're f*cking AWFUL drivers. Always going at or below the speed limit in the left lane of the highway here (I live less than 30 minutes from Idaho - to be fair it is north Idaho). If there's ever a backup on a two-lane highway, you can be sure that the person at the front of it will have Idaho plates.

A Fark Handle: now you'll get to fly for hours and hours to play in such sweet locales such as; new brunswick storrs, the iraq

I'm not sure their travel will increase that much. There aren't that many teams in the Big East, so they can have more OOC games. And they previously had Hawaii and Louisiana Tech to go to.

You are right there are some horrible drivers in Idaho. Not quite as bad as those dipwads from western Washington. I mean those shiatheads in Spocompton can barely pull their junk out of their hand long enough to turn on a blinker.

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Not bad for a community college that gets zero star recruits.

If recruiting rankings were worth a shiat, Notre Dame's perpetual #1 ranking by Tom Lemming would result in Notre Dame being perpetually #1 in real life.

p the boiler: My personal feeling is the BCS is starting to know it is going to go away if they don't do something quick.

My tinfoil theory:
It started with the Big10/Pac12 agreement - my guess would be the extend the agreement to the SEC and most likely the ACC and almost create their own division where they can have a conference championship - that winner goes in the 4 team tourney and then a NC game. They could also still have the other bowl game affiliations to keep the money coming in. This way there is no money to share with the BCS people and it all goes directly to the big4.

If this is the case then the best of the Big 12/East/ND will all have to join one of the Big4 and have the 4 16 team conferences

If you look at how the recent scholarship increases went down, I think a lot of the smaller schools just farked themselves trying to block it. People like Indiana State were pissing and moaning how the BCS schools could afford to offer more cost of living than the little guy could, so it wouldn't be fair. As if it was fair before.

As the little schools fail to understand their place in the food chain, the big schools will break off and leave them out in the cold or merging in with FCS.

litespeed74: Idaho? Who'd want to go there when you can go to such gloriously wondrous places like Alabama and Ohio. I mean...come on!

Better weather and closer to home for most. Makes a difference even if they're both shiatholes.

HeadLever: weiserfireman: 4. Non-AQ in the current system, probably the most accurate part of the argument. Next season is BSU's last in the MWC, then they will be in the BigEast, and be an AQ school.

If the AQ status is even aroud by then. I am hoping not.

If there is no AQ status, BSU has the right to leave under the contract for significantly less money. I think BSU's buyout to leave the BigEast is $10 million if the are an AQ, and $1 million if they are not.

Interesting to look at the Geographic map of that conference in 2015. San Diego State, Boise State, Houston, SMU, Central Florida, South Florida, Navy, Rutgers, UConn, Cincinnati

Very spread out, but in major recruiting markets. (Texas, California, Florida, Ohio) It will be interesting to watch this going forward.

weiserfireman: 1. BSU does run a Pro-Style Offense They ran the Spread when Dan Hawkins was the Head Coach 7 years ago
2. BSU's doesn't take people who don't have good high school grades or have lots of legal issues. As much as possible, they do try to weed out the problem kids.
3. BSU APR rankings for getting people graduated is extremely high for football
4. Non-AQ in the current system, probably the most accurate part of the argument. Next season is BSU's last in the MWC, then they will be in the BigEast, and be an AQ school.

Their field is blue, your argument is invalid.

mjohnson71: I keep looking at the US map and I still can't find a state named Boise.

/And while you're at it, please point to where the state of Murray is.

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IAmRight: Idaho is pretty but the main problem with them is that they're f*cking AWFUL drivers. Always going at or below the speed limit in the left lane of the highway here (I live less than 30 minutes from Idaho - to be fair it is north Idaho). If there's ever a backup on a two-lane highway, you can be sure that the person at the front of it will have Idaho plates.

Conversely, if you're doing 40 in a 35 in North Idaho, and some lunatic won't stop riding your ass even though it's the middle of winter...

Eh, if top recruits were so averse to playing in a godforsaken shiathole, Oklahoma would never win a thing.

IAmRight: /ratings also sometimes overvalue things like height and weight

Yeah, because everyone chooses linemen that are 6'0" 300 lbs over linemen that are 6'6" 335, if you had to make a common sense choice then you take the bigger guy, but like every first year coach trying to talk up a shiatty team, "there is no stat for heart!!!!" Sometimes its bullshiat, sometimes its not.

Most of the time all a kid needs is to be shown some confidence to turn him around, other times the kid is just a brat even with a 5 star rating.

hulk hogan meat shoes: I don't understand; did BSU think making a lateral move to the Big East would increase their chances of getting respect? Because beating up on Pitt, Rutgers, and UConn instead of SDSU, New Mexico, and Colorado State is so much more impressive.

I think the big east sucks but they are better than those shiat teams, I also dont think they will beat up on anyone and wind up .500 their first year in the conference.

The only reason why BSU doesn't get the blue chip recruits is because of their conference and their non-AQ status. As soon as they move into a AQ conference they will start getting the better athletes.

steamingpile: IAmRight: /ratings also sometimes overvalue things like height and weight

I think the big east sucks but they are better than those shiat teams, I also dont think they will beat up on anyone and wind up .500 their first year in the conference.

You also probably thought that some trick play gimmicky team from a weak conference couldn't travel to the Georgia Dome and smack down the Dawgs, right?

Doogled: Yes, it's all due to the unfairness of the BCS and lack of tradition. There's no other reason for young athletes to choose USC, UCLA, Arizona State, and Texas. It certainly is not the quality of the "prospects" on those campuses as well as the quality of education from those schools (well, not ASU)... no, definitely can't be those factors...

1) Education? Seriously?

2) What about wonderful locales like Alabama, West Virginia, Minnesota and Wisconsin?

The biggest problem Boise has is the lack of an in-state recruiting base. In football especially, recruits typically want to play close to home, especially for their state school. Per the Rivals recruiting database, there are a whopping 4 players in the state who are committed to DI-A schools. That's a huge disadvantage, and it's one that will never go away.

As far as star ratings go... well, they do matter to an extent. That's not to say a 5 star recruit can't be a total bust or a walkon at Sippery Rock can't turn into an all-american taken in the first round of the NFL draft. In general, though, the higher rated players pan out more often than the lower rated ones.

SharkTrager: Doogled: Yes, it's all due to the unfairness of the BCS and lack of tradition. There's no other reason for young athletes to choose USC, UCLA, Arizona State, and Texas. It certainly is not the quality of the "prospects" on those campuses as well as the quality of education from those schools (well, not ASU)... no, definitely can't be those factors...

1) Education? Seriously?

2) What about wonderful locales like Alabama, West Virginia, Minnesota and Wisconsin?

1) Yes, education does matter to some football players.

2) According to Scout's Team Rankings:

2. Alabama
29. West Virginia
53. Wisconsin
54. Boise State
62. Minnesota

Yes, Wisconsin and Minnesota are really raking in the recruits compared to Boise State. Alabama has plenty of lovely ladies, and I don't know (or care) about West Virginia.

SharkTrager: Doogled: Yes, it's all due to the unfairness of the BCS and lack of tradition. There's no other reason for young athletes to choose USC, UCLA, Arizona State, and Texas. It certainly is not the quality of the "prospects" on those campuses as well as the quality of education from those schools (well, not ASU)... no, definitely can't be those factors...

1) Education? Seriously?

2) What about wonderful locales like Alabama, West Virginia, Minnesota and Wisconsin?

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University of Wisconsin is an excellent school in one of the best college towns in America. Both WVU and Alabama, while in downtrodden states, are very nice major universities. Minnesota I know nothing about but Minneapolis is supposed to be very nice.

Until just a few years ago Boise was unquestionably the 2nd best school in a tiny state, and it's in the middle of nowhere. It's basically a community college with a commuter student base. This isn't rocket science - there isn't a school like it that consistently gets good recruits.

Doogled: Yes, Wisconsin and Minnesota are really raking in the recruits compared to Boise State.

FWIW Wisconsin's recruits in general are rated much higher than Boise's. Their issue (if you can call it that) is that they have a very small recruiting class this year with only 12 players currently committed. It's difficult to compare that to other schools that have 25+ players committed. Rating recruiting classes is difficult at best in my opinion, but point-based systems such as those used by Scout are especially lacking in a case like this.

Lou Brown: Doogled: Yes, Wisconsin and Minnesota are really raking in the recruits compared to Boise State.

FWIW Wisconsin's recruits in general are rated much higher than Boise's. Their issue (if you can call it that) is that they have a very small recruiting class this year with only 12 players currently committed. It's difficult to compare that to other schools that have 25+ players committed. Rating recruiting classes is difficult at best in my opinion, but point-based systems such as those used by Scout are especially lacking in a case like this.

It also helps when there are at least two or three stud bovine O-linemen in the backyard every year that you aren't in too much danger of losing to Illinois, Iowa or Minnesota.

bahamasorbust: You also probably thought that some trick play gimmicky team from a weak conference couldn't travel to the Georgia Dome and smack down the Dawgs, right?

Smack down a team that I thought would be .500 at the start of the season? You really dont pay attention very much, do you? This was not a good UGA team, they just got lucky in a really bad SEC east this year.

To be honest that game was closer than it should have been as bad as UGA was, hell if they had an OC that kept calling plays like he did in the first quarter they may have actually won the game.

Nice troll though, BSU will still go .500 at best in the big east their first year, playing decent teams all year takes a toll on you and BSU has proven they cant beat decent teams in the middle of the year.

Overall recruiting rankings are BS anyway.

When Miami was winning national titles in the 80's and 90's, their recruiting classes were rated lower than many of the teams they beat

Nebraska's back to back Natl Champs in 94 and 95 had recruiting classes ranked outside top 30. And, their star QB was a Florida HS star passed over by all Florida schools

Distance hurts Boise State more than anything else. Boise has a nice campus...and the city has a lot more to offer than most college towns back east.

I love the people on here who believe quality of school really matters when a FBS player is selecting where he's going to play football.

Unless you qualify for Stanford, and you GO to Stanford, you probably have other worries on your mind.