Can relate.

Musta got hit by the other guy's purse.

Why bother? Nothing of value up there anyways

Anybody watch the linked video of the Henderson knock-out? Are shots like the one he gave his opponent while said opponent was on the ground ok in MMA? I realize that stuff happens really fast, but Henderson had to have known that the guy was KO'd...

bottsicus: Are shots like the one he gave his opponent while said opponent was on the ground ok in MMA? I realize that stuff happens really fast, but Henderson had to have known that the guy was KO'd..

It's not a KO until the ref says so; why give your opponent a chance to shake out the cobwebs?

It's a great book, the author is funny as hell.

bottsicus: Anybody watch the linked video of the Henderson knock-out? Are shots like the one he gave his opponent while said opponent was on the ground ok in MMA? I realize that stuff happens really fast, but Henderson had to have known that the guy was KO'd...

He pretty much admitted that he realized Bisping was out somewhere between the time he left his feet and delivered the second blow. It's legal, but most guys will hold back. If anyone has ever talked themselves into receiving an extra, Bisping had done it for that fight. Doesn't make it 100% OK, but it was legal and probably wouldn't have happened to another opponent.

It's always okay to hit Bisping a couple extra times.

Klippoklondike: bottsicus: Anybody watch the linked video of the Henderson knock-out? Are shots like the one he gave his opponent while said opponent was on the ground ok in MMA? I realize that stuff happens really fast, but Henderson had to have known that the guy was KO'd...

He's allowed to keep hitting him until the ref physically stops him, however there are fighters who don't do follow-up shots when they know the guy is out cold. Sam Stouts ko of Yves Edwards is a good example of that.

Shogun and Machida, too.

Speaking of those two, Jones didn't follow Shogun down during that TKO, but he dropped Machida on his face while he was in another dimension, so some guys can be inconsistent with it.

bottsicus: Anybody watch the linked video of the Henderson knock-out? Are shots like the one he gave his opponent while said opponent was on the ground ok in MMA? I realize that stuff happens really fast, but Henderson had to have known that the guy was KO'd...


Technically it is not a late hit until the ref signals that the fight is stopped. Hendo doesn't have a reputation of being a poor sport and the guy he delivered the Mortal Kombat style "FINISH HIM" onto is is not well liked. Had Hendo done that to pretty much anyone else he would be considered a total bastard for it legal or not.


MMA is full of examples of a guy getting knocked down and recovering from a "flash knockout" because his opponent didn't push to finish it immediately. In the long run it actually LESSENS the amount of headshots a fighter takes. Had Hendo let Bisping (the victim in the linked vid) get back up he would very likely get hit more than just the one big one at the end.

One Bad Apple: bottsicus: Anybody watch the linked video of the Henderson knock-out? Are shots like the one he gave his opponent while said opponent was on the ground ok in MMA? I realize that stuff happens really fast, but Henderson had to have known that the guy was KO'd...


Technically it is not a late hit until the ref signals that the fight is stopped. Hendo doesn't have a reputation of being a poor sport and the guy he delivered the Mortal Kombat style "FINISH HIM" onto is is not well liked. Had Hendo done that to pretty much anyone else he would be considered a total bastard for it legal or not.


MMA is full of examples of a guy getting knocked down and recovering from a "flash knockout" because his opponent didn't push to finish it immediately. In the long run it actually LESSENS the amount of headshots a fighter takes. Had Hendo let Bisping (the victim in the linked vid) get back up he would very likely get hit more than just the one big one at the end.

Came here to say this. The standing 8 count in boxing needs to go.

DeltaPunch: Did anybody watch to the end of the video?

"I usually don't do that in a fight, but I gave him one more just to shut him up."

/classic

I didn't catch that, and I obviously don't watch much MMA, Cant blame the guy for wanting to get an extra shot in on a shiat-talker, i guess...

nopokerface: It's always okay to hit Bisping a couple extra times.

THIS.

/though I thought he beat Sonnen this weekend.

How many times have you seen someone knocked out with a shot, then snapped back into consciousness with a following shot?
The last Kongo fight comes to mind.

ihatedumbpeople: nopokerface: It's always okay to hit Bisping a couple extra times.

THIS.

/though I thought he beat Sonnen this weekend.

So did I, but the first 2 were close enough that I certainly don't think of it as a BS decision.

"THE WORLD is charged with the grandeur of God.
It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;
It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?"
-Hopkins

John Sullivan is perhaps my favorite of those men who box with their knuckles laid bare, flinging his fists about in the most terrifying fashion.

Once I happened upon a fight involving that monstrous man battling another burly fellow, whose name I cannot recall at present. They were engaged in the traditional Irish Stand Down style match, and verily they did strike with such ferocity that the canvas was bathed in the glorious crimson color that inspires strong men shout and meek women cringe in their frailty. The bout was long for such a fight, but in the end Sullivan was victorious when his opponent was knocked down and unable to stand tall against his opponent once more. After the fight, he was unable to recall that he was even in glorious Great Britain, let alone Slopshire! And he did mumble when he barely recalled that our radiant Queen Victoria was leading this brave nation into the future! His wife shed many a tear, not because she feared for her husband, but in shame of his defeat.

the biggest redneck here: but he dropped Machida on his face while he was in another dimension, so some guys can be inconsistent with it.

The ref told Jon to let go, so he had to let go. Plus the ref made motions to support Machida; guess he forgot that Machida was a 205lb sack of meat at that point - not easy to grab and hold on to.

Treygreen13:
That being said, I didn't see a linked video, but unless it's a shot to the back of the head it's legal, AFAIK.

Almost correct. All blows to the head are legal except for the following:

- Any strike Back of the Head (though what qualifies as back of the head varies from on ref to another)
- No Headbutt (just causes cuts unpredictably)
- No Spiking the head of an opponent to the ground (ie, no pile driver, too easy to break a neck)
- No Knees or kicks to the head of a 'downed opponent (downed meaning a hand or a knee on the ground).

Outside of those, its all fair game. The rules are different for Japanese / asian promotions. Those ones disallow elbow strikes to the head of a downed opponent, but you can head stomp and soccer kick a downed guy in the face.

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the biggest redneck here: Klippoklondike: bottsicus: Anybody watch the linked video of the Henderson knock-out? Are shots like the one he gave his opponent while said opponent was on the ground ok in MMA? I realize that stuff happens really fast, but Henderson had to have known that the guy was KO'd...

He's allowed to keep hitting him until the ref physically stops him, however there are fighters who don't do follow-up shots when they know the guy is out cold. Sam Stouts ko of Yves Edwards is a good example of that.

Shogun and Machida, too.

Speaking of those two, Jones didn't follow Shogun down during that TKO, but he dropped Machida on his face while he was in another dimension, so some guys can be inconsistent with it.

He had to drop Machida. When the ref says let go, you have to let go. Anything else may have looked like he was trying to continue the hold.

Want to know what makes MMA and boxing striking so bad for your brain?

Gloves.

Gloves don't protect your head from the other guy's fists. They protect his hands from breaking on your head. Bare-Knuckle fighters threw way more body shots than modern fighters because you had to pick and choose when you punched the head because a bad punch could cause a broken hand and lose you the fight. Boxing promoters pushed gloves as being safer because it allowed more punching to the head and, therefore, more KO's. Boxing/ MMA would be safer if they removed gloves (And hand wrapping) but that would cause more broken hands and less KOs. Instead, they make fighters wrap their hands with shiatloads of tape and then put pads on their hands. So instead of broken hands, broken noses and broken orbital bones, you get constant brain injury from head shots.

MickCollins: Want to know what makes MMA and boxing striking so bad for your brain?

Gloves.

Gloves don't protect your head from the other guy's fists. They protect his hands from breaking on your head. Bare-Knuckle fighters threw way more body shots than modern fighters because you had to pick and choose when you punched the head because a bad punch could cause a broken hand and lose you the fight. Boxing promoters pushed gloves as being safer because it allowed more punching to the head and, therefore, more KO's. Boxing/ MMA would be safer if they removed gloves (And hand wrapping) but that would cause more broken hands and less KOs. Instead, they make fighters wrap their hands with shiatloads of tape and then put pads on their hands. So instead of broken hands, broken noses and broken orbital bones, you get constant brain injury from head shots.

If there's one Farker whose word on bare-knuckle boxing I will take as the truth, its the one whose handle is "MickCollins" ; )

bottsicus: MickCollins: Want to know what makes MMA and boxing striking so bad for your brain?

Gloves.

Gloves don't protect your head from the other guy's fists. They protect his hands from breaking on your head. Bare-Knuckle fighters threw way more body shots than modern fighters because you had to pick and choose when you punched the head because a bad punch could cause a broken hand and lose you the fight. Boxing promoters pushed gloves as being safer because it allowed more punching to the head and, therefore, more KO's. Boxing/ MMA would be safer if they removed gloves (And hand wrapping) but that would cause more broken hands and less KOs. Instead, they make fighters wrap their hands with shiatloads of tape and then put pads on their hands. So instead of broken hands, broken noses and broken orbital bones, you get constant brain injury from head shots.

If there's one Farker whose word on bare-knuckle boxing I will take as the truth, its the one whose handle is "MickCollins" ; )

I imagine he sports a handlebar 'stache.

MickCollins: Gloves don't protect your head from the other guy's fists. They protect his hands from breaking on your head. Bare-Knuckle fighters threw way more body shots than modern fighters because you had to pick and choose when you punched the head because a bad punch could cause a broken hand and lose you the fight. Boxing promoters pushed gloves as being safer because it allowed more punching to the head and, therefore, more KO's. Boxing/ MMA would be safer if they removed gloves (And hand wrapping) but that would cause more broken hands and less KOs. Instead, they make fighters wrap their hands with shiatloads of tape and then put pads on their hands. So instead of broken hands, broken noses and broken orbital bones, you get constant brain injury from head shots.

I really think this might be where not only boxing will end up, but perhaps football as well. Not elimination of pads in football, but a scaling down of them in some way, to discourage guys just throwing themselves around on big hits with no regard. It really seems like concussions are so much more damaging/dangerous than anyone thought possible, and as more and more research is done, the only moral thing will be to either ban/radically change the sports, or do something like removing padding to tone down the violence.

jayhawk88:
I really think this might be where not only boxing will end up, but perhaps football as well. Not elimination of pads in football, but a scaling down of them in some way, to discourage guys just throwing themselves around on big hits with no regard. It really seems like concussions are so much more damaging/dangerous than anyone thought possible, and as more and more research is done, the only moral thing will be to either ban/radically change the sports, or do something like removing padding to tone down the violence.

I am not sure about Boxing and MMA changing. Some details aside, you win at Boxing by either convincing a judge you won (typically by landing punches), or by inflicting a concussion. You win at MMA by convincing a judge you won (typically by landing strikes and controlling the grappling), by making your opponent quit, or by making your opponent unable to continue, often due to concussion. In the case of MMA, even if you have no gloves on, you can still lock on a Thai Plumb clinch and blast knees into your opponents face. Or just kick him straight upside the head, and fighters do not have padding on their knees or shins / feet.

But for Football and hockey, where inflicting concussions is not a part of the scoring, the change makes sense.

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jayhawk88: I really think this might be where not only boxing will end up, but perhaps football as well. Not elimination of pads in football, but a scaling down of them in some way, to discourage guys just throwing themselves around on big hits with no regard. It really seems like concussions are so much more damaging/dangerous than anyone thought possible, and as more and more research is done, the only moral thing will be to either ban/radically change the sports, or do something like removing padding to tone down the violence.

Guys have been going with mouth-guards for many moons now and the help that they can be is only starting to be realized. Pretty soon if some have their way everyone's going to be wearing the Mark Kelso helmet. And if guys were actually taught how to form tackle instead of just throwing a shoulder at a guy or wildly diving at them it would be much less of an issue.

Yet MMA has to allow the blows to the skull because without that, it's just clothed porn.

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Yet MMA has to allow the blows to the skull because without that, it's just clothed porn.

Sorry troll but you're late to the party. Apple, redneck and I have packed up the girls while Gavin and Zardoz took the beer. Better luck next time.

I'm a huge MMA fan, but I can see a scenario in the not-to-distant future in which I might find it difficult to watch the sport with a clear conscience. Full disclosure: I'm also 36 years old with a new baby girl.

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Yet MMA has to allow the blows to the skull because without that, it's just clothed porn.

You forgot the obligatory Wandy-Shogun image too.

NorCalLos: I'm a huge MMA fan, but I can see a scenario in the not-to-distant future in which I might find it difficult to watch the sport with a clear conscience. Full disclosure: I'm also 36 years old with a new baby girl.

If you enjoy grappling, you can always catch live feeds of the Abu Dhabi Combat Club Championships - zero striking, top-notch grappling, best-in-the-world kind of stuff. Here's last year's +99kg finals between Vinny Magalhaes and Fabricio WerdumLink (new window). It's more respectful, still combat-based, but nowhere near as graphic.

I'm conflicted - I love the talent in the UFC, but I hate the production. Dana White has done a ton for the sport but he also wants every fight to be Griffin/Bonnar 1. I'm not so much interested in violence as I am interested in skill. That's why I love watching GSP and Fitch, but I understand why others don't. I don't want blood and brutal knockouts just make me feel bad for the loser. I like skill.

Flappyhead: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Yet MMA has to allow the blows to the skull because without that, it's just clothed porn.

Sorry troll but you're late to the party. Apple, redneck and I have packed up the girls while Gavin and Zardoz took the beer.

And I for one will not trade





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We Fark MMA fans have long ago come to embrace the trolling much like the fWc crowd. The "teh ghey" comments are just our "why isn't this in the Entertainment tab ?". You're really gonna' have to step up your game to do anything but get looked down on by us as a lame AW.

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RogermcAllen: the biggest redneck here: Klippoklondike: bottsicus: Anybody watch the linked video of the Henderson knock-out? Are shots like the one he gave his opponent while said opponent was on the ground ok in MMA? I realize that stuff happens really fast, but Henderson had to have known that the guy was KO'd...

He's allowed to keep hitting him until the ref physically stops him, however there are fighters who don't do follow-up shots when they know the guy is out cold. Sam Stouts ko of Yves Edwards is a good example of that.

Shogun and Machida, too.

Speaking of those two, Jones didn't follow Shogun down during that TKO, but he dropped Machida on his face while he was in another dimension, so some guys can be inconsistent with it.

He had to drop Machida. When the ref says let go, you have to let go. Anything else may have looked like he was trying to continue the hold.

Absolutely, that's the by-the-book way of looking at it. And it's perfectly valid, and Machida and his people have repeatedly said they're OK with it.

But he could have let him down in a different manner. I don't dock him any class points for doing it the way he did because, as you point out, he technically followed the rules to a T. But I would've given him bonus points if he had done something like loosen the grip and let Machida down easy.

the biggest redneck here: I don't dock him any class points for doing it the way he did because, as you point out, he technically followed the rules to a T. But I would've given him bonus points if he had done something like loosen the grip and let Machida down easy.

If what he did was wrong, Jones more than punished him for it. Will they let you back into Brazil if you just lay down and quit like he did? Doesn't seem to be the Brazilian way.....

GavinTheAlmighty: NorCalLos: I'm a huge MMA fan, but I can see a scenario in the not-to-distant future in which I might find it difficult to watch the sport with a clear conscience. Full disclosure: I'm also 36 years old with a new baby girl.

If you enjoy grappling, you can always catch live feeds of the Abu Dhabi Combat Club Championships - zero striking, top-notch grappling, best-in-the-world kind of stuff. Here's last year's +99kg finals between Vinny Magalhaes and Fabricio WerdumLink (new window). It's more respectful, still combat-based, but nowhere near as graphic.

I'm conflicted - I love the talent in the UFC, but I hate the production. Dana White has done a ton for the sport but he also wants every fight to be Griffin/Bonnar 1. I'm not so much interested in violence as I am interested in skill. That's why I love watching GSP and Fitch, but I understand why others don't. I don't want blood and brutal knockouts just make me feel bad for the loser. I like skill.

Thanks. I've heard people talk about the tournament, but never bothered to look into it. I do like grappling, but I also enjoy some high level striking (which you sometimes get in MMA and sometimes don't), as well as the incorporation of grappling and striking together. I even enjoy watching a spectacular KO, especially a come from behind one like Kongo-Barry or Scott Smith over Cung Le. I just feel sorry for the guys, I guess. Like, dude, you really shouldn't be hurting yourself like this just so I can have something cool to watch on television. I just hope these guys don't regret it/feel used when the sport is done with them, like so many of the old NFL players.

hate to nit pick here.. but survive and avoid do not mean the same thing...