Republicans only care about preserving freedoms they already have and keeping freedoms, even the same ones they have, from people different from them.

ignatius_crumbcake: Kazan: ALL republicans are incredibly insensitive to religious freedom in america - they want to impose their fundamentalist religious views on the rest of us.

This. They don't care what religion you are, as long as you worship jesus.

Also, you must worship Jesus while totally ignoring his teachings.

hinten: I love this image, factually correct but still oh so wrong: Florida Home Price Under Obama


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"Hey guys, vote for me and I'll give all of Florida a handy!"

I guess what strikes me is how easily a Romney win in the general election will be interpreted as fulfillment of the Mormon White Horse Prophecy, lending credibility to the claim that Mormonism is the true religion.

VictoryCabal: hinten: I love this image, factually correct but still oh so wrong: Florida Home Price Under Obama

A first-time home buyer in Florida must look at that picture and the chart in it and think: "Man, Obama is FARKING AWESOME! I didn't I'd be able to afford a home, but with prices coming down like that I'll be able to swing it."

Yeah, I wonder why that's considered a bad thing, if you don't already own a lot of real estate that you're trying to sell. Property taxes should go down with the prices.

Diogenes: thomps: "I think Gov. Romney is extraordinarily insensitive to religious freedom in America and the Obama administration is clearly engaged in a war on religion," said Gingrich, a converted Catholic.
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In heavily Jewish Florida, Romney's camp responded to the Gingrich comments by distributing a bullet-point list of items Romeny has said in defense of Israel.


how is a defense of israel an answer to charges or insensitivity to religious freedom in america?

You're not thinking like a conservative, or you wouldn't have asked that question.

He's also not flying like a penguin or running like a slug.

ah, i just wanted to "like" the "basespeak" joke.

hinten: I love this image, factually correct but still oh so wrong: Florida Home Price Under Obama


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I don't see how that graph is a bad thing. Homes prices have been kept artificially high for years.

I wish Newt would stop using words like "extraordinarily" and "historically" because he's always wrong and it dilutes their meaning.

To construct a sentence in Gingrichian, you need: "PERSON'S NAME is the ____est ________ in American History." And he's never been right about.

I just want a properly functioning gov't for the people no matter which party runs it. But I do enjoy watching how far Gingrich will go to destroy his own party.

There's not a single quote in that article from Newt that isn't an insult to the intelligence of the American people.

"People don't understand yet how much the secular state is becoming an anti-religious instrument of coercion," he told Fox News' Bret Baier.

F*ck you!

Diogenes: bugontherug: I guess what strikes me is how easily a Romney win in the general election will be interpreted as fulfillment of the Mormon White Horse Prophecy, lending credibility to the claim that Mormonism is the true religion.

Don't most religions think they're "the one"?

Sure. No doubt every Mormon thinks Mormonism is the one already. All I'm saying is they'll have a fulfilled prophecy to point to to give their claim greater credence to people who aren't yet Mormons.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Diogenes: You're not thinking like a conservative, or you wouldn't have asked that question.

Isn't that an oxymormon?

Just needs a little punctuation.

"You're not thinking, like a conservative,..."

Diogenes: gshepnyc: I wish Newt would stop using words like "extraordinarily" and "historically" because he's always wrong and it dilutes their meaning.

To construct a sentence in Gingrichian, you need: "PERSON'S NAME is the ____est ________ in American History." And he's never been right about.

And the way he says it, as if it were self-evident fact, beyond question.

Intellectual my ass. He's a charlatan with decent vocabulary who knows how to argue.

I don't know what you mean by intellectual. But verbal ability is certainly an aspect of IQ. You've basically said "Intellectual my ass. He's a smart man."

hinten: I love this image, factually correct but still oh so wrong: Florida Home Price Under Obama


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You gotta be ready to smack a biatch, but keep the off-hand ready for a falcon punch.

ignatius_crumbcake: Kazan: ALL republicans are incredibly insensitive to religious freedom in america - they want to impose their fundamentalist religious views on the rest of us.

This. They don't care what religion you are, as long as you worship jesus.

Not completely true, they get uneasy about Catholics, O.G. Xians.... They'll tolerate it if it's their only choice b/c it's Jesus, but definitely not fundie enough.

Romney and his allies have poured more than $14 million into Florida television advertising primarily to attack Gingrich, who has struggled to compete with Romney's fundraising ability, staffing and network of high-profile supporters. Gingrich and his allies spent roughly $3 million on Florida advertising.

"We are pitting people power versus money power," Gingrich said.

Has that ever worked in modern history? If only there was a historian who could check that for me.

As a progressive person I'm all for giving religious followers what they want.

1. Hang the Christians from crosses so they will truly get to follow in Jesus's footsteps

2. Give the Mormons all the money the Christians left

Everybody gets what they want.

Leo Bloom's Freakout: ignatius_crumbcake: Kazan: ALL republicans are incredibly insensitive to religious freedom in america - they want to impose their fundamentalist religious views on the rest of us.

This. They don't care what religion you are, as long as you worship jesus.

Not completely true, they get uneasy about Catholics, O.G. Xians.... They'll tolerate it if it's their only choice b/c it's Jesus, but definitely not fundie enough.

It's really only in the past few decades that Mormonism has started billing itself as "Christian." When I was young, when asked "are you a Christian," Mormons would say, "no, I'm Mormon." Or, I guess I should say that's how my best friend growing up would answer.

They certainly revere some version of Jesus. But their Jesus is very different from the Jesus of orthodox Christianity. I think Mormonism even holds that Satan is Jesus' brother.

Kazan: ALL republicans are incredibly insensitive to religious freedom in america - they want to impose their fundamentalist religious views on the rest of us.

That's your definition of religious freedom. The conservative definition of religious freedom over the last 20 years has been the freedom to discriminate against and harass and assault homosexuals, Muslims and sluts. Seriously. The religious right is now casting gay marriage as an assault on religious liberty, even though churches are not required to perform gay marriages. Treating gays equally under law is an affront to people who believe in hating them.

Gingrich, when asked by the GOP party leaders if he would quit the race when he loses Florida, had this to say:

No. No, you can't get away. From hell's heart, I stab at thee.
For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.


I may be paraphrasing here.

Diogenes: bugontherug: Diogenes: gshepnyc: I wish Newt would stop using words like "extraordinarily" and "historically" because he's always wrong and it dilutes their meaning.

To construct a sentence in Gingrichian, you need: "PERSON'S NAME is the ____est ________ in American History." And he's never been right about.

And the way he says it, as if it were self-evident fact, beyond question.

Intellectual my ass. He's a charlatan with decent vocabulary who knows how to argue.

I don't know what you mean by intellectual. But verbal ability is certainly an aspect of IQ. You've basically said "Intellectual my ass. He's a smart man."

He's a pseudo-intellectual. All the appearance, none of the substance. Sounding smart is a talent, true. But more often than not it's just noise.

His verbal ability alone shows Gingrich is of at least above average intelligence. He may or may not have deficits in non-verbal areas of intelligence. I.e., he may be bad at math, for example, but still have a higher than average IQ.

Poor verbal ability doesn't necessarily indicate stupidity. You can see that by talking to the average engineer. But high verbal ability, demonstrated consistently over time, necessarily indicates at least some level of intelligence.

Whether or not mere verbal ability qualifies one as an intellectual is a different question. But he's certainly a smart man.

bugontherug: Diogenes: gshepnyc: I wish Newt would stop using words like "extraordinarily" and "historically" because he's always wrong and it dilutes their meaning.

To construct a sentence in Gingrichian, you need: "PERSON'S NAME is the ____est ________ in American History." And he's never been right about.

And the way he says it, as if it were self-evident fact, beyond question.

Intellectual my ass. He's a charlatan with decent vocabulary who knows how to argue.

I don't know what you mean by intellectual. But verbal ability is certainly an aspect of IQ. You've basically said "Intellectual my ass. He's a smart man."

No he didn't. You stretched what he said a little too far for it to be honest.

Ironically, it's Gingrich, and not the Mormon, who looks more of a polygamist, what with open marriage attempts and multiple wives.

bugontherug: Diogenes: gshepnyc: I wish Newt would stop using words like "extraordinarily" and "historically" because he's always wrong and it dilutes their meaning.

To construct a sentence in Gingrichian, you need: "PERSON'S NAME is the ____est ________ in American History." And he's never been right about.

And the way he says it, as if it were self-evident fact, beyond question.

Intellectual my ass. He's a charlatan with decent vocabulary who knows how to argue.

I don't know what you mean by intellectual. But verbal ability is certainly an aspect of IQ. You've basically said "Intellectual my ass. He's a smart man."

And you also don't know the difference between someone being "smart" and someone being an intellectual. Especially since I know plenty of people with better than average vocabularies who have little to no ability to reason or real intellectual curiousity.