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(Digital Trends)   US military has developed self-guided bullet that can travel over a mile and change direction before it hits its target. Gene Simmons approves   (digitaltrends.com) divider line 106
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2012-01-31 09:35:33 AM  
www.mediajunkey.com

/not related to the thread, just wanted to post that.
 
2012-01-31 09:40:25 AM  
Imagine if such a direction changing bullet existed on 11/22/1963.
 
2012-01-31 09:40:44 AM  
www.popcrunch.com

????
 
2012-01-31 09:41:40 AM  
fandomania.com

"With the replay button, another Zorg invention, it's even easier. One shot, and replay sends every following shot to the same location."
 
2012-01-31 09:42:25 AM  
Eddie Valiant approves
 
2012-01-31 09:42:30 AM  

ABQGOD: Imagine if such a direction changing bullet existed on 11/22/1963.


Time traveling Nazis left tech behind that have finally been able to reverse engineer! It would have taken much longer but we allocated a lot of resources from NASA and then faked the moon landing to cover it up.
 
2012-01-31 09:42:38 AM  
God Dammit!
 
2012-01-31 09:43:02 AM  
If it's anything like Deus Ex, soldiers will just get killed trying to use it.
 
2012-01-31 09:44:30 AM  
"unbridled discipline"

this seems like an oxymoron to me.
 
2012-01-31 09:45:18 AM  
But do they have spider bots that shoot acid?
 
2012-01-31 09:45:50 AM  

Fano: Eddie Valiant approves


Eddie Vallant used bullets developed by Bush administration
 
2012-01-31 09:46:54 AM  
Four inches long? That's not a small arm bullet, that's a small artillery shell.
 
2012-01-31 09:47:37 AM  
So who gets volunteered to stay out of cover enough to keep their laser trained on the target(s) while everyone else just fires around the corner or over the wall? Seems pretty cool and useful for a sniper rifle but I'm not so sure about standard engagements.

And hunting? Really? Never mind. "Sport" aside, assuring a clean kill in the first shot is something every hunter I know is big on, so I can kinda see that application..
 
2012-01-31 09:50:43 AM  
moviesmedia.ign.com
 
2012-01-31 09:51:45 AM  
I'm thinking A-10 Warthog or Spectre Gunship firing guided rounds... nasty... just nasty.
 
2012-01-31 09:52:06 AM  

StroboscopicCamel: So who gets volunteered to stay out of cover enough to keep their laser trained on the target(s) while everyone else just fires around the corner or over the wall? Seems pretty cool and useful for a sniper rifle but I'm not so sure about standard engagements.

And hunting? Really? Never mind. "Sport" aside, assuring a clean kill in the first shot is something every hunter I know is big on, so I can kinda see that application..


Uh...so why not hook a camera up next to the laser and point that over the wall.......
 
2012-01-31 09:52:36 AM  

dittybopper: Four inches long? That's not a small arm bullet, that's a small artillery shell.


Sounds like it would be a discarding sabot round fired from a smooth bore. I wonder what the terminal effect would be on a soft target? Clean wound channels aren't really known for putting the enemy down reliably, which has been an issue (as I understand it) for the 5.56mm in short barrel carbines the past several years and one of the reasons for the 6.5 Grendel / 6.8 SPC developement.
 
2012-01-31 09:59:05 AM  
Its not a bullet, its a small laser-guided missile, Very cool but just call it what it is, its a mini-missile. Heck, thats cooler anyways isn't it?

And "changes direction", while correct, brings up images of the thing turning around corners when "all" this does is minute course corrections on the way to the target.
 
2012-01-31 10:01:21 AM  
Cynthia Rhodes was the best part of that movie. Ditto for Staying Alive. And possibly Flash Dance.

O.k., maybe I just really like Cynthia Rhodes.
 
2012-01-31 10:01:29 AM  
Wanted was a very very very bad movie. I feel like it needed to be said.
 
2012-01-31 10:02:26 AM  

StroboscopicCamel: So who gets volunteered to stay out of cover enough to keep their laser trained on the target(s) while everyone else just fires around the corner or over the wall? Seems pretty cool and useful for a sniper rifle but I'm not so sure about standard engagements.

And hunting? Really? Never mind. "Sport" aside, assuring a clean kill in the first shot is something every hunter I know is big on, so I can kinda see that application..


You don't risk a man you use a small portable UAV to do that. Hell skip the soldier entirely and just use a swarm of AI controlled UAV's.
 
2012-01-31 10:04:54 AM  

Fizpez: I'm thinking A-10 Warthog or Spectre Gunship firing guided rounds... nasty... just nasty.


The coolness factor of the A-10's gun is specifically that is *doesn't need* guided rounds, the velocity is so high that the pilot doesn't need to aim-compensate for gravity.
 
2012-01-31 10:07:07 AM  

StroboscopicCamel: dittybopper: Four inches long? That's not a small arm bullet, that's a small artillery shell.

Sounds like it would be a discarding sabot round fired from a smooth bore. I wonder what the terminal effect would be on a soft target? Clean wound channels aren't really known for putting the enemy down reliably, which has been an issue (as I understand it) for the 5.56mm in short barrel carbines the past several years and one of the reasons for the 6.5 Grendel / 6.8 SPC developement.


Assuming they can shrink it down to 25mm, it would fit into xm25 payload rifles and mounted weapons like the xm307.
As a support fire thing, it means someone could spot the target while grenadiers and vehicles fire a mix of air burst and guided bullets.

The guy trying to flank your opponent may never have to expose himself.
That would be pretty devastating.

/my dream army just needs magpul pdr's with laser designators to be complete.
/that and giant robots, must have giant robots.
 
2012-01-31 10:07:13 AM  

the opposite of charity is justice: Its not a bullet, its a small laser-guided missile, Very cool but just call it what it is, its a mini-missile. Heck, thats cooler anyways isn't it?

And "changes direction", while correct, brings up images of the thing turning around corners when "all" this does is minute course corrections on the way to the target.


A missile contains its own propulsion system.
 
2012-01-31 10:11:12 AM  

the opposite of charity is justice: Fizpez: I'm thinking A-10 Warthog or Spectre Gunship firing guided rounds... nasty... just nasty.

The coolness factor of the A-10's gun is specifically that is *doesn't need* guided rounds, the velocity is so high that the pilot doesn't need to aim-compensate for gravity.


True but the rounds from an A-10 kind of hit in a literal "hail" of bullets - many missing the target - of course enough hit to eventually destroy the target - but imagine if you only needed to fire a burst 1/10th as long because all/most of the rounds hit - The effective combat time of it would increase dramatically - my guess is most A-10s have to return when theyre out of ammo - not fuel.
 
2012-01-31 10:14:04 AM  
inkthinkerblog.com
 
2012-01-31 10:14:26 AM  
As a kid I used to think this was awesome. Now it looks...well, yeah:
www.technovelgy.com
 
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2012-01-31 10:14:49 AM  
So? Every bullet I've ever shot over the years seems to go this way and that way on the way to the target.
 
2012-01-31 10:17:28 AM  

way south: /my dream army just needs magpul pdr's with laser designators to be complete.
/that and giant robots, must have giant robots.


Of course. What's the point if we can't have giant robots?
 
2012-01-31 10:19:51 AM  
and they did it with our tax money. lets hope they are responsible and accountable with their new toy. i'm not holding my breath, though.
 
2012-01-31 10:22:14 AM  

StroboscopicCamel: dittybopper: Four inches long? That's not a small arm bullet, that's a small artillery shell.

Sounds like it would be a discarding sabot round fired from a smooth bore. I wonder what the terminal effect would be on a soft target? Clean wound channels aren't really known for putting the enemy down reliably, which has been an issue (as I understand it) for the 5.56mm in short barrel carbines the past several years and one of the reasons for the 6.5 Grendel / 6.8 SPC developement.


Better detail in this article, including a picture.

Interestingly, the bullet is less accurate at short ranges, because it doesn't have enough time to do the corrections. It's traveling at 2,400 fps at the muzzle, and if it makes 30 corrections a second, it will travel 80 feet between corrections. That means that if you are shooting at something less than 25 meters away, it won't make any corrections at all. If the target is 100 meters away, you will get 3 to 5 corrections, depending on how much the bullet slows down, and it might not be enough to correct a badly-aimed bullet.

This will forever be a specialized long range weapon, at least for the foreseeable future, and given the size of the gun you'd have to shoot it out of, along with the cost associated with each particular round, *AND* the fact that you have to 'paint' the target for the 2 or 3 seconds or so it will take the bullet to reach it's target (something that can be detected with pretty simple detectors*), I can't see it replacing the standard long range sniper rifle.

It does have obvious applications for things like artillery and tank guns, though.


*I could probably cobble up something out of some parts from Radio Shack. You'd need to be able to detect an infrared laser (the kind used for target designation). I could see a high value target like a general or whatever wearing a few detectors as part of their uniform. When the detectors go off, signifying that you are being 'painted' by a laser, you hit the dirt, start moving rapidly, or get behind cover. A conventional sniper rifle, even a large caliber one, doesn't 'telegraph' its presence like this would do.
 
2012-01-31 10:25:44 AM  
THE TEMPLATES, RAMSEY!
 
2012-01-31 10:27:03 AM  

cgraves67: unbridled discipline"

this seems like an oxymoron to me.


Thank you. I couldn't read past that. How in the hell could that person have even come up with that phrase? What editor read that and let it by?
 
2012-01-31 10:27:32 AM  

the opposite of charity is justice: Its not a bullet, its a small laser-guided missile


No, it's a bullet. It is not self-propelled and is steered by moving the fins.
 
2012-01-31 10:33:58 AM  

the opposite of charity is justice: Fizpez: I'm thinking A-10 Warthog or Spectre Gunship firing guided rounds... nasty... just nasty.

The coolness factor of the A-10's gun is specifically that is *doesn't need* guided rounds, the velocity is so high that the pilot doesn't need to aim-compensate for gravity.


The velocity of the rounds from a GAU-8 (the gun in the A-10) isn't all that fast: It's 3,500 fps, which is only a bit faster than the old 55 grain loading of the 5.56mm NATO round (3,200+ fps), and slower than some civilian hunting rounds.

The real advantage that it has isn't the velocity per se, it's the velocity in combination with the heavy, dense depleted uranium rounds (makes for a better ballistic coefficient, which results in less drop), combined with the incredible rate of fire.
 
2012-01-31 10:38:21 AM  
STARGROVE!!!!!!

Wait, wrong movie...
 
2012-01-31 10:46:07 AM  
www.perfectlasers.net

Point it 2 feet in front of you and it will feel like you're fighting Stormtroopers.
 
2012-01-31 10:47:48 AM  
Approves.

img2-2.timeinc.net

/hawt, like her.
 
2012-01-31 10:47:54 AM  
Not exactly new. I've seen guided anti-tank bullets before. I can't seem to find the one I'm thinking of atm because every result on Google is some rehashed version of this story.
 
2012-01-31 10:51:53 AM  

VaportrailFilms: [inkthinkerblog.com image 320x240]


came here for this reference, left amused

/which way did he go?
//ohh i don't know, he when that ah way!
 
2012-01-31 10:54:03 AM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: STARGROVE!!!!!!

Wait, wrong movie...


"Fark the bonus."

Wait, dammit...
 
2012-01-31 10:55:48 AM  

Honest Bender: I'm thinking of atm


I bet you are.
 
2012-01-31 10:57:50 AM  

dittybopper: It does have obvious applications for things like artillery and tank guns, though.


Copperhead has existed for a long time now.
 
2012-01-31 11:04:28 AM  

wippit: [fandomania.com image 400x300]

"With the replay button, another Zorg invention, it's even easier. One shot, and replay sends every following shot to the same location."


But what does this red button do?
 
2012-01-31 11:27:40 AM  
AMERICA! FARK YEAH!
 
2012-01-31 11:33:49 AM  

Honest Bender: Not exactly new. I've seen guided anti-tank bullets before. I can't seem to find the one I'm thinking of atm because every result on Google is some rehashed version of this story.


This?

Link (new window)
 
2012-01-31 11:36:12 AM  
So a couple things I wonder about with a weapon like this:

Is it easier to keep a laser steadily trained on a target for 3-4 seconds at sniper distances, or is it easier to squeeze off a round without jerking off-target in the process? It seems like it would be pretty hard to keep a target painted so precisely. Laser guided bombs/missiles, no problem the whole area gets vaporized, but with this the laser would need to be so accurate.

/I guess you could get a air or ground drone to sneak closer and paint a steady target...but then why not just mount a gun on the drone and skip the magic bullet step?
//Can't use with the XM25 (as mentioned in an earleir post) unless there is a smooth-bore barrel option, as I am pretty sure that puppy is rifled
 
2012-01-31 11:48:56 AM  
We need to hurry up and just automate wars entirely.

Our robotic gun turrets and predator drones can square off with their hover tanks and guided missiles.

They can find a couple of empty deserts to square off in. Once one side decides it has spent enough the war can end and a treaty can be drawn up.

/of course once you take humans out of the picture we have a much weaker bargaining chip in demanding rights and freedoms. hm. . . . nevermind.
 
2012-01-31 12:04:00 PM  
What a self-guided bullet might look like:

i1072.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-31 12:09:12 PM  
Just to be different:

static.gamesradar.com
 
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