"That's not ironic"
"Yes it is"
"no, it's not..."
blah blah blah

Sybarite: I don't get why people who have good professional healthcare available would choose a method that triples the chance newborn mortality.

Because all of those hormones running through her body gives her temporary insanity.

As opposed to the "temporary" insanity that women contract when they get married and seem to make permanent

/*ducks*

Finally! A subby who knows the definition of irony.

Home birthing: because fark centuries of medical advancement, I'm a farking hippy and I want to be in enormous pain while squirting out a baby into my bathtub.

Never have popped a baby out but I imagine when it does happen I'm going to be scared to death and will want a doctor by my side.

Bloody William: Home birthing: because fark centuries of medical advancement, I'm a farking hippy and I want to be in enormous pain while squirting out a baby into my bathtub.

Who cleans the bathtub after that?

DAT HEADLINE

/I lol'd

Sybarite: I don't get why people who have good professional healthcare available would choose a method that triples the chance newborn mortality.

Because man the medicalindustrialcomplex man that's just what they want to to believe man, it's like all in your mind man. Don't buy into their schemes man.

/my brain hurts

Because nothing else would prove your commitment to the cause of actively encouraging moms to forego birth in a safe, hygenic environment well-prepared for any complication, and instead making a huge, revolting mess inside your dwelling in the absence of advanced medical equipment and a staff of highly-trained professionals. Who wouldn't want that, right?

Bloody William: Home birthing: because fark centuries of medical advancement, I'm a farking hippy and I want to be in enormous pain while squirting out a baby into my bathtub.

My sister did this on her farm in the middle of nowhere Maine. She also said afterword, "What the hell was I thinking? Bring on the drugs."

That's a little too ironic.

Yeah, I really do think.

Nonono. That is not *truly* ironic. It would *only* be ironic when the woman had in fact BEEN Alanis Morisette, whose mother had died while giving birth to her, while a gyneacologist had been singing.

Or something.

WorkingInParadise: "That's not ironic"
"Yes it is"
"no, it's not..."
blah blah blah

I came here for an argument!

I advise for all women to give birth in their own home. This way you give your baby a chance at life by keeping them off the grid and out of the federal governments grasp.

Ever watch enemy of the state. Real story bro.

It's like rain when your water breaks

JC

Honestly, the disgustingly selfish home birthing industry pisses me off even more than the idiots who don't vaccinate their children. At least we have herd immunity to protect the children from their asshat parents. Home birthing, though? You're putting your child's life at risk, you farking self-righteous, narcissistic douchebag asshole for what your own "experience"?

I'll take this opportunity to say that I'm irritated with the use of the word 'tapped' to mean 'selected.' I'm not sure when that caught on popularly, but Jesus, it's not like people have a spigot sticking out of them that you turn on. You didn't tap them, you picked them out or selected them.

I don't see how any woman could squeeze a baby out her hoo ha without the benefit of morphine

KillTheStupid: Finally! A subby who knows the definition of irony.

I may be literary impaired, but I can't find the irony in this. She advocates giving birth at home. Giving birth at home has a higher risk of mortality for the mother and child. She advocates a risky method of giving birth and died for her cause. How is the literal meaning different from the actual meaning in that?

We are not hippies. We also had health insurance that would have paid for a hospital birth. Wife and I decided that because of the high percentage of medical intervention that is deemed "necessary" we decided to have our child at home. 44 hours of labor, perfectly healthy 10lbs baby girl born at home. She's 18 months old now and we would do it again.

Someone who advocates rejecting modern medicine dies after rejecting modern medicine? I'm shocked.
(replace with homeopath, Christian Scientist, etc.)

Fortunately my wife didn't go for any of this nonsense. There was a minor complication with #1 (24 hours of labor, too little fluid) but he came out naturally. Our daughter 16 months later was 7 hours of labor, 20 minutes of pushing, about as easy as it gets.

This woman proves exactly why you want medical professionals seconds away when you're doing something dangerous like this.

Orgasmatron138: I'll take this opportunity to say that I'm irritated with the use of the word 'tapped' to mean 'selected.' I'm not sure when that caught on popularly, but Jesus, it's not like people have a spigot sticking out of them that you turn on. You didn't tap them, you picked them out or selected them.

It's not an "extract beer from the keg" kind of tap. It's the "I'm gently touching you on the shoulder" kind of tap.

But think of the money she saved on the birth.
Now they need to think about home cremation services. Don't give all that money to the 'funeralindustrialcomplex'.

blondski: Bloody William: Home birthing: because fark centuries of medical advancement, I'm a farking hippy and I want to be in enormous pain while squirting out a baby into my bathtub.

Who cleans the bathtub after that?

It's actually handy for pro-choicers, because it lets them literally throw the baby out with the bathwater.

/The best thing about the placenta is cold placenta sandwiches the next day.

D-D-D-Dave: KillTheStupid: Finally! A subby who knows the definition of irony.

I may be literary impaired, but I can't find the irony in this. She advocates giving birth at home. Giving birth at home has a higher risk of mortality for the mother and child. She advocates a risky method of giving birth and died for her cause. How is the literal meaning different from the actual meaning in that?

It's ironic because those types of people advocate doing stuff 'naturally' because they believe it to be safer than using modern medicinal practices, and yet those are the people who die.

D-D-D-Dave: KillTheStupid: Finally! A subby who knows the definition of irony.

I may be literary impaired, but I can't find the irony in this. She advocates giving birth at home. Giving birth at home has a higher risk of mortality for the mother and child. She advocates a risky method of giving birth and died for her cause. How is the literal meaning different from the actual meaning in that?

Dramatic irony -- the character involved suffers a mishap because she isn't aware of a key piece of information that the audience knows.

topgun4291: We are not hippies. We also had health insurance that would have paid for a hospital birth. Wife and I decided that because of the high percentage of medical intervention that is deemed "necessary" we decided to have our child at home. 44 hours of labor, perfectly healthy 10lbs baby girl born at home. She's 18 months old now and we would do it again.

I hope that if you do it again it all works out for you the same as last time, but you are putting your partner and child at risk. What if medical intervention IS necessary to save your wife or child?

Now we in turn get to stand up and grandstand to everyone on how it's dangerous, right?

Andromeda: What I never get about home birth is who in hell thinks I'd want to clean that shiat up, least of all after having a baby?

Silly girl. You're supposed to eat it. The best thing about home birth is that there are no doctors to try and steal your after-birth to eat themselves. As an atheist it's the closest we can legally get to eating babies.

I can understand you'd be tired after all that though. Get out the tupperware and put it all in the fridge to cook up later.

TravisBickle62: I don't see how any woman could squeeze a baby out her hoo ha without the benefit of morphine

Wife did. 3 times. She's scared to death of needles.

She figured women have been birthing babies naturally since the beginning of time without pain medication, she figured she could do it too.

JC

Egoy3k: topgun4291: We are not hippies. We also had health insurance that would have paid for a hospital birth. Wife and I decided that because of the high percentage of medical intervention that is deemed "necessary" we decided to have our child at home. 44 hours of labor, perfectly healthy 10lbs baby girl born at home. She's 18 months old now and we would do it again.

I hope that if you do it again it all works out for you the same as last time, but you are putting your partner and child at risk. What if medical intervention IS necessary to save your wife or child?

Then you transfer to a hospital.

Bloody William: /The best thing about the placenta is cold placenta sandwiches the next day.

Mmm... placenta with roquefort on dark rye. Damn, now I'm gonna be hungry all day.

rebelyell2006: Someone who advocates rejecting modern medicine dies after rejecting modern medicine? I'm shocked.
(replace with homeopath, Christian Scientist, etc.)

"Alternative medicine by its very definition has either not been proven to work or been proven not to work. Know what they call alternative medicine that works? Medicine." - Tim Minchin

If you have 10 minutes, it's worth the watch:

Tim Minchin's Storm (new window)

Depending on the complication, being in the hospital was no guarantee of survival. Depending on the complication it might not even have improved her chances - and even if it did would not guarantee a good outcome or even survival.

I wish people understood that even generally healthy women can die giving birth, have unknown issues that complicate birth, - childbirth is fraught with peril and can turn on a dime, seemingly going great and then disaster occurs.

Maternal death in childbirth is uncommon but not actually RARE.

D-D-D-Dave: I may be literary impaired, but I can't find the irony in this. She advocates giving birth at home. Giving birth at home has a higher risk of mortality for the mother and child. She advocates a risky method of giving birth and died for her cause. How is the literal meaning different from the actual meaning in that?

The irony is that 1) she advocates for home birth and, most likely, tells people that it is a safe way to give birth. Then 2) she dies while doing what she tells other people is a safe thing to do.

Voila! Irony.

I mean sure I know I'm supposed to feel sad and all that crap when some some one dies but frankly,



She wanted to give birth at home. She did.

/Too many farking people on this planet anyways.

topgun4291: Egoy3k: topgun4291: We are not hippies. We also had health insurance that would have paid for a hospital birth. Wife and I decided that because of the high percentage of medical intervention that is deemed "necessary" we decided to have our child at home. 44 hours of labor, perfectly healthy 10lbs baby girl born at home. She's 18 months old now and we would do it again.

I hope that if you do it again it all works out for you the same as last time, but you are putting your partner and child at risk. What if medical intervention IS necessary to save your wife or child?

Then you transfer to a hospital.

That clearly didn't work in this case why are you sure it would work for you?

Couldn't you just go to a hospital in the first place and then refuse any procedures that you deem unnecessary and then have the help standing by in case it's needed? Then again you are not a doctor so who the hell are you to decided whats necessary with any hope of being correct? Do you tell your mechanic how to fix your car or your?

People who buy winning lottery tickets all think buying lottery tickets is a good idea.

And yet America has the highest c-section rate in the developed world. Only in America do we combine birthing with sick people. Use modern medicine by all means, just don't think because it's the way we in America do it makes it the right way to do it.

There are birthing centers all around. Look into them, you'll be glad you did.