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2012-01-31 03:56:50 AM
Wow.

If this goes green, there will be some fireworks.

FTA: "conservatives are more responsive to negative stimuli whereas those on the left are more responsive to positive stimuli."

and:

"High scores in aversive behaviour also correlate with autistic spectrum disorders, narcissism and socio- and psychopathologies."

/not surprised, though.
 
2012-01-31 07:24:46 AM
dumbimages.net

gonna need this just to read the comments, let alone participate.
 
2012-01-31 07:50:03 AM
"...conservatives are more responsive to negative stimuli whereas those on the left are more responsive to positive stimuli."

As much as I dislike the "soft" sciences, this makes a lot of sense to me.
 
2012-01-31 08:12:00 AM
ginandbacon: "...conservatives are more responsive to negative stimuli whereas those on the left are more responsive to positive stimuli."

As much as I dislike the "soft" sciences, this makes a lot of sense to me.


this explains fox news and the republican party's fear-based approach.
 
2012-01-31 09:29:04 AM
"...conservatives are more responsive to negative stimuli whereas those on the left are more responsive to positive stimuli."

i157.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-31 09:47:25 AM
This is what happens when you've only get two parties to choose from.
 
2012-01-31 09:49:15 AM
Ah, the old nature vs. derpture debate.
 
2012-01-31 09:50:36 AM
Msphere: Wow.

If this goes green, there will be some fireworks.


Nice work baiting the admins.
 
2012-01-31 09:52:27 AM
Lower the sails! Batten down the hatches!

Yaaargh, there be Derp and Trolls abroad!
 
2012-01-31 09:52:52 AM
High scores in aversive behaviour also correlate with autistic spectrum disorders

HA! I knew libertarianism was a mild form of autism.
 
2012-01-31 09:53:16 AM
Optimists tend to be liberal, while pessimists tend to be conservative. Makes sense to me.
 
2012-01-31 09:54:23 AM
Empathy is genetic?
 
2012-01-31 09:54:42 AM
Political psychology is fun!

F-scale personality test for authoritarianism was developed in 1947. We've known for some time that conservatives tend to have authoritarian personalities.

/not a psychologist
//just massively right-brained
 
2012-01-31 09:54:49 AM
catusr: Optimists tend to be liberal, while pessimists tend to be conservative. Makes sense to me.

And sadists are Republican..
 
2012-01-31 09:55:45 AM
"Sex differences are also highlighted by these measures, with females (or males with higher than average levels of empathy) more likely than average males to overcome their feelings of disgust or threat..."

This research may have implications for Farkers dating.
 
2012-01-31 09:56:15 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-01-31 09:56:50 AM
Really. "socialists" You can be progressive/liberal without being a socialist. And... I voted Republican for 22 years and then Democrat for the last 6.

/can't explain that
 
2012-01-31 09:56:58 AM
Msphere: Wow.

If this goes green, there will be some fireworks.

FTA: "conservatives are more responsive to negative stimuli whereas those on the left are more responsive to positive stimuli."


Probably explains why old people trend more conservative with age, because old people are generally grouchy, curmudgeonly, nihilistic, pessimistic farks.
 
2012-01-31 09:58:40 AM
Interesting here:

"The research team hypothesised that if pictures of famous politicians (Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Hilary Clinton and George W Bush) were shown to their subjects, those who were politically right-of-centre would exhibit a greater aversive reaction to ideologically dissimilar politicians, whereas those who were left-of-centre would exhibit a greater appetitive response (in relative terms) when viewing left-of-centre politicians. This was indeed the case."

They seem to be saying lefties like lefties, and righties hate lefties. Did they by chance check to see how lefties felt about Reagan and W? Or how righties felt about them?

From the Fark sample, which is admittedly left leaning, I'm betting there is still a strong aversive reaction from lefties to W.
 
2012-01-31 10:00:44 AM
cmunic8r99: [dumbimages.net image 253x380]

gonna need this just to read the comments, let alone participate.


Where do you obtain your derpsuit? I have a family dinner coming up....
 
2012-01-31 10:01:39 AM
Liberals are more emotional than rational.

Conservatives are more rational than emotional.

Hence the enthusiasm/empathy liberals have for welfare (the noble, suffering, oppressed poor who are dumped on by society) vs. the disdain/lack of emparthy conservatives have for welfare (lazy louts who need to work)

And gun control: Liberals fear out of control gunners randomly shooting up the place (which happens rarely), which is primarily an emotional response, vs. conservatives that are purely practical (being armed deters aggression against you, as it actually works in nature)

The optimum lies somewhere between the two...
 
2012-01-31 10:02:29 AM
Link to published study. Interesting stuff, should answer your question, ICW.

/not subby
//thanks, subby
 
2012-01-31 10:02:33 AM
erveek: Msphere: Wow.

If this goes green, there will be some fireworks.

Nice work baiting the admins.


He is a master baiter.
 
2012-01-31 10:02:37 AM
mark12A: Liberals are more emotional than rational.

Conservatives are more rational than emotional.

Hence the enthusiasm/empathy liberals have for welfare (the noble, suffering, oppressed poor who are dumped on by society) vs. the disdain/lack of emparthy conservatives have for welfare (lazy louts who need to work)

And gun control: Liberals fear out of control gunners randomly shooting up the place (which happens rarely), which is primarily an emotional response, vs. conservatives that are purely practical (being armed deters aggression against you, as it actually works in nature)

The optimum lies somewhere between the two...



You didn't RTFA.
 
2012-01-31 10:03:28 AM
catusr: Optimists tend to be liberal, while pessimists tend to be conservative. Makes sense to me.

Realists tend to be Fark Independents.
 
2012-01-31 10:03:50 AM
InmanRoshi: Msphere: Wow.

If this goes green, there will be some fireworks.

FTA: "conservatives are more responsive to negative stimuli whereas those on the left are more responsive to positive stimuli."


Probably explains why old people trend more conservative with age, because old people are generally grouchy, curmudgeonly, nihilistic, pessimistic farks.


Which rather contradicts the premise that we're biologically wired, particularly when we switch. Entirely anecdotal, but out seems much more experiential than hard wired. Hell, how old is the quote about not having a heart if you aren't liberal when young, and no brain if not conservative when older?
 
2012-01-31 10:04:11 AM
mark12A: Liberals are more emotional than rational.

Conservatives are more rational than emotional.

Hence the enthusiasm/empathy liberals have for welfare (the noble, suffering, oppressed poor who are dumped on by society) vs. the disdain/lack of emparthy conservatives have for welfare (lazy louts who need to work)


I thought you said that Conservatives were rational?

Here's a hint, disdain and hate are emotions too.
 
2012-01-31 10:04:44 AM
I feel like I must be missing something here. The actual study, as described in the article, seems simply to reveal that political values can be correlated with physiological responses (like disgust) to imagery that contradicts those values. Where is the evidence for biological determinism, suggesting that people are conservative/liberal because of their physiology? Am I crazy, or is there a huge inductive leap here?
 
2012-01-31 10:07:59 AM
SuperTramp: Link to published study. Interesting stuff, should answer your question, ICW.

/not subby
//thanks, subby


Reading it now. My guess is they studied both, but in an article, the writer makes the points they want not having the room to re-write the study.
 
2012-01-31 10:08:39 AM
sprawl15: catusr: Optimists tend to be liberal, while pessimists tend to be conservative. Makes sense to me.

Realists tend to be Fark Independents.


Well, that rules out my "Republicans in drag" hypothesis.
 
2012-01-31 10:08:54 AM
Huh, right-wingers are strongly fearful or hateful of things they find offensive but are simultaneously drawn to situations that provoke fear and hate responses.

A few months ago I read about a study that showed that rats infected with a certain brain parasite that incubates in the intestines of a cat find themselves inconsolably aroused by the odor of cat urine.
 
2012-01-31 10:09:38 AM
mark12A:

Conservatives are more rational than emotional.



wat
 
2012-01-31 10:10:18 AM
I_C_Weener: SuperTramp: Link to published study. Interesting stuff, should answer your question, ICW.

/not subby
//thanks, subby

Reading it now. My guess is they studied both, but in an article, the writer makes the points they want not having the room to re-write the study.


And already to this point which saddens me:

"Images of well-known American political figures were included in the 33 stimuli presented; specifically, pictures of Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush. These four seem appropriate since at the time of the study (summer of 2007), Barack Obama, John McCain and Sarah Palin had not yet arrived on the national political scene and pre-tests indicated that many participants could not identify pictures of other important national politicians, including (then Vice President) Richard Cheney, (then Speaker of the House) Nancy Pelosi and the previous two Democratic presidential nominees: John Kerry and Al Gore."
 
2012-01-31 10:10:29 AM
mark12A: Liberals are more emotional than rational.

Conservatives are more rational than emotional.


Which naturally explains conservatives' appeals to religious tradition and emotion/disgust when opposing gays. Totally rational.
 
2012-01-31 10:11:43 AM
Marcus Aurelius: This is what happens when you've only get two parties to choose from.

Quite true. At the very least, we need a party on the left, in addition to the ones in the center and far right.
 
2012-01-31 10:13:03 AM
Manny Calavera: I feel like I must be missing something here. The actual study, as described in the article, seems simply to reveal that political values can be correlated with physiological responses (like disgust) to imagery that contradicts those values. Where is the evidence for biological determinism, suggesting that people are conservative/liberal because of their physiology? Am I crazy, or is there a huge inductive leap here?


Not crazy
 
2012-01-31 10:13:13 AM
OneTimed: mark12A:

Conservatives are more rational than emotional.



wat


Praying for rain during a drought, accusing Hollywood of a secret gay agenda, belief in free market benevolence, bombing people into liking us, throwing people in jail for growing politically unpopular plants, being terrified of human sexuality, all perfectly rational.
 
2012-01-31 10:16:04 AM
mark12A: Liberals are more emotional than rational.

Conservatives are more rational than emotional.


That may have been true at one time (doubt it), but it's clearly not the case anymore. Conservatives these days are all about hate, whether it be for gays, libs, media, Muslims (well, anyone not the right type of Christian, really), etc.
 
2012-01-31 10:16:25 AM
SuperTramp: Link to published study. Interesting stuff, should answer your question, ICW.

/not subby
//thanks, subby


I think I am reading this correct that they indeed did focus on how conservatives feel about liberals, and how liberals feel about liberals.

"To test the hypothesis that left-of-centre participants respond more to ideologically similar (appetitive) politicians while right-of-centre participants respond more to ideologically dissimilar (aversive) politicians, a definition of ideological similarity is necessary."

The study also makes a strange leap that the differences mean that liberals/conservative perceive the other as empathetic/fearful...when in fact, the study shows that it isn't perception...it is backed up by SCIENCE!

Interesting study that has some merit, but appears to be sloppily written and the connection to biology seems a stretch as well. But most social studies have trouble making them scientifically defensible when so much depends on opinion.
 
2012-01-31 10:19:39 AM
In the latest study they tested whether right-wing participants experienced relatively increased skin conductance (they sweated more, a measure of psychological or physiological arousal) when viewing aversive images (an open wound, a toilet with faeces on it, someone held at gunpoint or a car accident). They also tested whether left wingers experienced increased relative skin conductance when exposed to appetitive images (a bunny rabbit, puppy, a sunset).

I would hate to participate in this study. Hey there conservative guy, let me show you some pictures. They strap me down in a chair, use little spring clips to open my eyes. Play some Ludwig van in the background.

Shoot the liberal gets bunny rabbits but I get this?
 
2012-01-31 10:21:57 AM
mark12A: Liberals are more emotional than rational.

Conservatives are more rational than emotional.


wrong.

mark12A: And gun control: Liberals fear out of control gunners randomly shooting up the place (which happens rarely), which is primarily an emotional response, vs. conservatives that are purely practical (being armed deters aggression against you, as it actually works in nature)

bwahahahahahaa


you're an idiot.


IrateShadow: mark12A: Liberals are more emotional than rational.

Conservatives are more rational than emotional.

That may have been true at one time (doubt it), but it's clearly not the case anymore. Conservatives these days are all about hate, whether it be for gays, libs, media, Muslims (well, anyone not the right type of Christian, really), etc.


there's why


plus.. go RTFA.
 
2012-01-31 10:22:10 AM
Saiga410: In the latest study they tested whether right-wing participants experienced relatively increased skin conductance (they sweated more, a measure of psychological or physiological arousal) when viewing aversive images (an open wound, a toilet with faeces on it, someone held at gunpoint or a car accident). They also tested whether left wingers experienced increased relative skin conductance when exposed to appetitive images (a bunny rabbit, puppy, a sunset).

I would hate to participate in this study. Hey there conservative guy, let me show you some pictures. They strap me down in a chair, use little spring clips to open my eyes. Play some Ludwig van in the background.

Shoot the liberal gets bunny rabbits but I get this?


That was my reaction too. The actual study paper doesn't quite clear that up either. And the hypothesis reinforces the thought that they were looking for a type of reaction in conservative and a different one in liberals instead of testing them both across the board (Clockwork Orange AND bunny rabbits.)

Then again if the bunny rabbit is gay, you just know the conservative is going to be aversive.
 
2012-01-31 10:22:47 AM
indylaw: mark12A: Liberals are more emotional than rational.

Conservatives are more rational than emotional.

Which naturally explains conservatives' appeals to religious tradition and emotion/disgust when opposing gays. Totally rational.


Between religious fundamentalism to voodoo Reagan Supply-Side economics to the notion of "American Exceptionalism" ... is there an aspect of modern American Conservatism that doesn't require unquestioning, non-critical buy in on a dogma?
 
2012-01-31 10:25:05 AM
Saiga410: I would hate to participate in this study. Hey there conservative guy, let me show you some pictures. They strap me down in a chair, use little spring clips to open my eyes. Play some Ludwig van in the background.

Shoot the liberal gets bunny rabbits but I get this?


If the conclusions of the study are to be believed, you'd be disgusted by the unpleasant images but at the same time strangely aroused.

/come to think of it, that goes a long way to explain why the loudest homophobes get caught in ironic gay trysts. They often persist in saying that they're not gay, that they just happened to get caught at a gay club. From their perspective, homosexuality and "gay culture" is so abominable that they can't stop thinking about it.
 
Ant
2012-01-31 10:26:43 AM
 
2012-01-31 10:27:34 AM
It also explains the liberal "OMG hypocrisy!!!" while the conservatives do the "Both sides are bad, so vote for the rational hypocrite."
 
2012-01-31 10:29:14 AM
sprawl15: catusr: Optimists tend to be liberal, while pessimists tend to be conservative. Makes sense to me.

Realists tend to be Fark Independents.


I am not an independent by choice. I have been pushed to the middle because the wingnut right and moonbat left have such farked up rules and ideologies.

Example, I am

Pro Choice
Pro death penalty
 
2012-01-31 10:30:01 AM
pxsteel: sprawl15: catusr: Optimists tend to be liberal, while pessimists tend to be conservative. Makes sense to me.

Realists tend to be Fark Independents.

I am not an independent by choice. I have been pushed to the middle because the wingnut right and moonbat left have such farked up rules and ideologies.

Example, I am

Pro Choice
Pro death penalty


So you are indecisive. Or are you?
 
2012-01-31 10:30:31 AM
I_C_Weener: It also explains the liberal "OMG hypocrisy!!!" while the conservatives do the "Both sides are bad, so vote for the rational hypocrite."

The Conservatives suggest that you vote for the Democrat?
 
2012-01-31 10:33:10 AM
Some people are clearly not getting that BOTH sides has rational processes and BOTH sides have emotional reactions, it's just what feeds those equations that differs. Some use positive reactions to things, others use negative reactions to things.

One side isn't more innately logical than the other, per se, it's about the quality of input.
 
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