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2012-01-31 12:13:49 AM  
Isn't it special how the media makes such a big deal about Romney and how much money he has? John Kerry is even richer that Romney may or may not be, and that's not even counting his billionaire wife, but I don't remember ever hearing a single word about that in 2004.
 
2012-01-31 12:32:57 AM  

spman: Isn't it special how the media makes such a big deal about Romney and how much money he has? John Kerry is even richer that Romney may or may not be, and that's not even counting his billionaire wife, but I don't remember ever hearing a single word about that in 2004.

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It's almost like things are different in 2012 than they were in 2004.

Also:

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Bowing to political pressure, the presidential campaign of Democrat John Kerry released financial data on the wealth of his multimillionaire wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. (new window)

TERENCE SMITH: All right. A second [ad]. It's called Man of the People. It's sponsored by Citizens United, a conservative group, and it pokes fun at Senator Kerry's wealth. So, let's take a look at it.

AD VOICEOVER: Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry. Hairstyle by Christophe's: $75. Designer shirts: $250. 42-foot luxury yacht: $1 million. Four lavish mansions and beach-front estate: Over $30 million. Another rich liberal elitist from Massachusetts who claims he's a "man of the people": Priceless.

TERENCE SMITH: All right, also clever. Is it a fair description of John Kerry's status?

BROOKS JACKSON: Well, yes and no. For one thing, John Kerry -- I've never heard him claim to be a man of the people, and I don't think he ever would. And some of his ads, in fact, he makes a point of his privileged upbringing, says it gives him special responsibilities. Of course, the wealth that's portrayed here, all pretty much accurate. Most of those houses are in his wife's name, of course. The yacht, yes, he's got a big Hinckley, and that's all true. The thing that strikes me as amusing about this is usually it's Republicans you hear complaining about class warfare when Democrats attack the rich for being rich or for getting tax breaks. Now the shoe's on the other foot.

TERENCE SMITH: Apparently, it works both ways.

BROOKS JACKSON: They're attacking Kerry for being wealthy.

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2012-01-31 01:03:06 AM  

bighasbeen: spman: Isn't it special how the media makes such a big deal about Romney and how much money he has? John Kerry is even richer that Romney may or may not be, and that's not even counting his billionaire wife, but I don't remember ever hearing a single word about that in 2004.Link (new window)

It's almost like things are different in 2012 than they were in 2004.

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Bowing to political pressure, the presidential campaign of Democrat John Kerry released financial data on the wealth of his multimillionaire wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. (new window)


Look, it doesn't matter what your "facts" and "citations" and "evidence" say, he doesn't remember hearing a single word. That's bold talk that comes straight from the gut, where the truth lives. So, I think you owe him an apology.

Oh, and for spman:

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2012-01-31 01:06:47 AM  

Car_Ramrod: Look, it doesn't matter what your "facts" and "citations" and "evidence" say, he doesn't remember hearing a single word. That's bold talk that comes straight from the gut, where the truth lives. So, I think you owe him an apology.


I never got past that "Trust your feelings" part. I'd make a terrible jedi.
 
2012-01-31 01:17:55 AM  
Here's where the difference lies however. When discussing Kerry's wealth, it's always presented as being nothing more than a matter of fact. All these articles paint Kerry as a man who came from humble beginnings and still remained humble in spite of his families wealth. At no point is Kerry painted as a rich snob out of touch with mainstream America, and in fact Republicans get chastised for having the nerve to bring it up as an issue.

Now contrast how Romney is being presented by the mainstream media, which is the exact opposite. Romney is super wealthy and thus has no idea how average Americans live, he doesn't pay his fiar share of taxes, and part of the 1% that's shaking down America for every last penny. Romeny's wealth is played up as being more than just a matter of fact, it's presented as a core tenet of his being. With Kerry it was just, yeah, he's rich, so what?
 
2012-01-31 01:30:27 AM  

spman: All these articles paint Kerry as a man who came from humble beginnings and still remained humble in spite of his families wealth. At no point is Kerry painted as a rich snob out of touch with mainstream America...


They were too busy covering his windsurfing.
 
2012-01-31 01:37:38 AM  

spman: At no point is Kerry painted as a rich snob out of touch with mainstream America


Because he never claimed to be part of mainstream America and despite his wealth was campaigning on the issue that too much of the tax burden had been shifted to the middle class. And look to see how often the word "patrician" is used to describe John Kerry during 2004. That's just code for "rich, establishment snob". Remember, despite the wealth of the Bushes, GWB was riding the "Have a beer with him" everyman schtick and anytime Kerry tried to do something similar he was laughed at. Remember the awkward game of catch he had with somebody?

spman: Now contrast how Romney is being presented by the mainstream media,


That's because Romney is doing things like calling $375,000 "not much". But this whole line of reasoning is disingenuous. Plenty of people, i.e. Kerry's opponents, made tons of hay about his wealth during his campaign and what those attacks were reported on. You can go back to 2004 and see plenty of partisan-right leaning news and media outlets speaking of Kerry's wealth with a similar venom as partisan-left leaning media and news outlets are with Romney. But here's another difference: the undertones of the Kerry criticism were that he was upjumped and married into money, i.e. he didn't come about it "legitimately" and therefore was neither a good rich person nor a good average person. The Romney criticism is that he is in the pockets of the moneyed interests and has been his entire life.

Their respective wealths were made an issue by their opponents, but since they are different people and their opposition is motivated to different ends, the tactics were not the same.
 
2012-01-31 01:40:30 AM  

bighasbeen: made tons of hay about his wealth during his campaign and what those attacks were reported on


Ugh, this should say:

and those attacks were reported on by the (generally) not overtly partisan media just as the criticisms of Romney by his opponents are reported.
 
2012-01-31 01:45:08 AM  

spman: All these articles paint Kerry as a man who came from humble beginnings and still remained humble in spite of his families wealth.


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Except that they don't. But please, keep shifting as many goalposts as you need.
 
2012-01-31 01:47:56 AM  
I'm pretty goddamn liberal, and if Romney had four times his fortune, and unless it can be shown to have been obtained illegally, it wouldn't have a thing to do with why he's unfit for the presidency.

The "Romney is rich" argument is equivalent to the "Obama is an elitist" argument. farking stop it. We've got buckets of attacks that actually have some substance.
 
2012-01-31 01:48:27 AM  

spman: At no point is Kerry painted as a rich snob out of touch with mainstream America


... surely you can't be serious.
 
2012-01-31 01:50:50 AM  
I don't care that Mitt Romney is rich enough to have money fights (new window), but publicly making $10,000 bets with your opponent on stage and publicly calling a third of a million dollars "not much?" Romney crapped his own bed with those. Kerry, being a northeastern Catholic kept those cards close to his chest. Romney isn't going to sleep with you anyway.
 
2012-01-31 01:52:43 AM  

Fair_Poopsmith: The "Romney is rich" argument is equivalent to the "Obama is an elitist" argument. farking stop it. We've got buckets of attacks that actually have some substance.


Ross Perot financed his own campaigns himself. I remember Republicans and Democrats both being unhappy about that.
 
2012-01-31 01:59:31 AM  

Fair_Poopsmith: I'm pretty goddamn liberal, and if Romney had four times his fortune, and unless it can be shown to have been obtained illegally, it wouldn't have a thing to do with why he's unfit for the presidency.

The "Romney is rich" argument is equivalent to the "Obama is an elitist" argument. farking stop it. We've got buckets of attacks that actually have some substance.


I agree to an extent. I think people start to have a problem when he tries to connect with Average Joe by claiming "I'm also unemployed." Especially when he tries to make a $10,000 bet during a debate.

People also don't like that he made a lot of his money by firing other people. He provoked that anger when he said "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me". (I understand the context, and I don't disagree with him, but he said it very poorly with not sense of tact)

I don't think less of him for his money, and there are much more substantial critiques of the man, but this does not help his image at all, and I understand why people don't like him because of it.
 
2012-01-31 02:05:00 AM  

Somacandra: I don't care that Mitt Romney is rich enough to have money fights (new window), but publicly making $10,000 bets with your opponent on stage and publicly calling a third of a million dollars "not much?" Romney crapped his own bed with those. Kerry, being a northeastern Catholic kept those cards close to his chest. Romney isn't going to sleep with you anyway.


Heh, I forgot about that. It's only 7 times the annual salary of the 75th percentile (hope I got the terminology right).

At least Obama acknowledges his money, and routinely says things like, "that's why guys like me should be paying more".
 
2012-01-31 02:05:39 AM  

Somacandra: spman: All these articles paint Kerry as a man who came from humble beginnings and still remained humble in spite of his families wealth.

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Except that they don't. But please, keep shifting as many goalposts as you need.


From the same freakin' article

"The finances on the Kerry side of the family were more modest. Kerry's grandfather, a Czech-Austrian Jew and brewery worker named Fritz Kohn, changed his name to Frederick A. Kerry in 1902 and emigrated to the United States. In 1921, apparently despondent over mounting debts, he shot himself in a restroom at Boston's Copley Plaza Hotel."

"Harvey Bundy, Kerry's roommate at Yale, remembered a young man who was "on the go 110 percent of the time" but spoke little about wealth and privilege.

"He ran in circles with money, but money was never an issue for John. He was cheap," said Bundy, a Chicago investment manager.

In their freshman year Kerry got a car, even though freshmen weren't supposed to have cars, but he didn't want to rent garage space. The solution? Let Bundy's girlfriend take it back and forth to Wheaton College.

Bundy and Kerry took a no-frills tour of Europe in 1963. "We slept in ultra-cheap hotels," he said. "It was one of those $5-a-day tours."

The entire point of the article is to essentially say "Well, Kerry's mom's family was wealthy, and his wife is wealthy, but him, well he's not really that wealthy at all, in fact his fathers family were all derelicts, and Kerry himself lived like a bum during college"
 
2012-01-31 02:13:00 AM  

Car_Ramrod: At least Obama acknowledges his money, and routinely says things like, "that's why guys like me should be paying more".


Bill Clinton always did too. He understood that he needed to be upfront about his money.
 
2012-01-31 03:12:54 AM  
This may be completely true, but pointing it out is class warfare.
 
2012-01-31 03:29:09 AM  
spman:

Careful, you're going to throw your back out.

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2012-01-31 04:25:26 AM  

spman: Isn't it special how the media makes such a big deal about Romney and how much money he has? John Kerry is even richer that Romney may or may not be, and that's not even counting his billionaire wife, but I don't remember ever hearing a single word about that in 2004.


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2012-01-31 04:27:03 AM  
Romney's wealth would not be a problem if he wasn't pushing for a tax cut for the wealthy while raising taxes on the poor.
 
2012-01-31 04:29:33 AM  
And why is the tax on investments so low? Because lobbyists blocked a bipartisan attempt to raise them, lobbyists paid by Bain Capitol.

Also, I heard that Romney is merely twice as wealthy as Gov. Rick Scott, er, Voldemort.
 
2012-01-31 04:33:07 AM  
Too rich for his camel to fit through the eye of the needle. Luckily the Mormons rewrote the bible so it doesn't have to.
 
2012-01-31 04:33:35 AM  
www.democraticunderground.com
 
2012-01-31 04:38:57 AM  
How lame is the Politics tab? Take headlines straight from Reddit, then double the derp.
 
2012-01-31 04:43:36 AM  
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I'm more concerned that he'd want to grossly favor the wealthy, not that he, himself, is grossly wealthy.
 
2012-01-31 04:44:55 AM  
He's a Mormon.
 
2012-01-31 05:01:27 AM  

sendtodave: [t2.gstatic.com image 268x188]

I'm more concerned that he'd want to grossly favor the wealthy, not that he, himself, is grossly wealthy.


Well, the Robber-Barons used to just buy the government; this one wants to run it openly. So I guess that's progress of a sort.
 
ecl
2012-01-31 05:16:41 AM  

VRaptor117: How lame is the Politics tab? Take headlines straight from Reddit, then double the derp.


Reddit looks like someone threw up a bunch of spaghetti-o's all over a blank page imho.
 
2012-01-31 05:21:06 AM  
Good.

Hopefully, his wealth helps him defeat the Leftist-in-Chief.


The only thing that matters is getting rid of Obama. But...but...he's a Mormon. FARK you, I don't care. But...but...he's a richie rich. FARK you, I don't care. But...but...he is a flip-flopper. FARK you, I don't care.

Keep the attacks up. You're wasting your time.
 
ecl
2012-01-31 05:26:44 AM  

Crude: Good.

Hopefully, his wealth helps him defeat the Leftist-in-Chief.


The only thing that matters is getting rid of Obama. But...but...he's a Mormon. FARK you, I don't care. But...but...he's a richie rich. FARK you, I don't care. But...but...he is a flip-flopper. FARK you, I don't care.

Keep the attacks up. You're wasting your time.


Nobody expected you to use critical thinking.
 
2012-01-31 05:26:51 AM  

Crude: Good.

Hopefully, his wealth helps him defeat the Leftist-in-Chief.


The only thing that matters is getting rid of Obama. But...but...he's a Mormon. FARK you, I don't care. But...but...he's a richie rich. FARK you, I don't care. But...but...he is a flip-flopper. FARK you, I don't care.

Keep the attacks up. You're wasting your time.


But....but he's a Republican!

^ All that matters to Crude.
 
2012-01-31 05:29:07 AM  
Crude:...

Troll sooner.

/hit the lights on your way out
 
2012-01-31 05:29:08 AM  

Crude: Good.

Hopefully, his wealth helps him defeat the Leftist-in-Chief.


The only thing that matters is getting rid of Obama. But...but...he's a Mormon. FARK you, I don't care. But...but...he's a richie rich. FARK you, I don't care. But...but...he is a flip-flopper. FARK you, I don't care.

Keep the attacks up. You're wasting your time.


Awww. Keep it up, brave patriot. Maybe Mittens will reward your loyalty by letting you lick the table scraps that his dog doesn't want.
 
2012-01-31 05:30:57 AM  

VRaptor117: How lame is the Politics tab? Take headlines straight from Reddit, then double the derp and then have it posted on fark days later.


Seriously, FARK.COM.... you may want to overhaul your business model.

Sure, you're probably laughing on the way to the bank today... but so was MYSPACEdotCOM at one point in time.



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2012-01-31 05:35:57 AM  
I've seen a ton of trolling in my time here, but did someone just come in and troll Fark by comparing it to MySpace.com? Seriously?
/thru the looking glass now.
//shakes head
///walks away.
 
ecl
2012-01-31 05:38:08 AM  
Big Bang Theory is unwatchable.
 
2012-01-31 05:40:07 AM  
Thanks to this thread, John Kerry has lost my vote.
 
2012-01-31 05:43:28 AM  
Oh he's that rich? Well that disqualified him for being president. Yup that's all that matters. Not policy or anything like that.
 
2012-01-31 05:46:16 AM  

Tingle007: Oh he's that rich? Well that disqualified him for being president. Yup that's all that matters. Not policy or anything like that.


The majority of his private sector profits involved outsourcing and downsizing. That's called an indicator into how his mind works regarding economics. But you knew that.
 
2012-01-31 06:08:27 AM  

Tingle007: Oh he's that rich? Well that disqualified him for being president. Yup that's all that matters. Not policy or anything like that.


The policies of every Republican disqualify them from civilization.

Of course, he's only saying what he thinks people want to hear, so you have to look back at his term as a governor, which has been described as Kleptocrat.
 
2012-01-31 06:08:50 AM  

Tingle007: Oh he's that rich? Well that disqualified him for being president. Yup that's all that matters. Not policy or anything like that.


You have it backwards. I don't give shiat about his wealth (neither does anyone else) - it's his policies I don't like.
 
2012-01-31 06:33:12 AM  

spman: Now contrast how Romney is being presented by the mainstream media, which is the exact opposite. Romney is super wealthy and thus has no idea how average Americans live, he doesn't pay his fiar share of taxes, and part of the 1% that's shaking down America for every last penny. Romeny's wealth is played up as being more than just a matter of fact, it's presented as a core tenet of his being. With Kerry it was just, yeah, he's rich, so what?


So, Romney served in Vietnam?
 
2012-01-31 06:41:43 AM  
The fact that Mitt "0% Capital Gains Tax" Rmoney is rich is not the problem.

The fact that he favors policies that would only increase the already dangerously out of whack wealth divide in favor of the rich at even faster rate than present is the problem.

Is this the thread where Fark Independents (tm) try to make the "John Kerry is Rich. Your argument is invalid" argument?

Cos that one never gets old.
 
2012-01-31 06:42:13 AM  

Alphax: Tingle007: Oh he's that rich? Well that disqualified him for being president. Yup that's all that matters. Not policy or anything like that.

The policies of every Republican disqualify them from civilization.

Of course, he's only saying what he thinks people want to hear, so you have to look back at his term as a governor, which has been described as Kleptocrat.


You say that like it's a bad thing. Our GDP is doing great, our stocks are up, our banks and multinationals are making record profits. Other than some bums with liberal arts degrees thinking they deserve high paying jobs, everything is looking up.

Kleptocracy is great for capitalism!
 
2012-01-31 06:43:02 AM  

Fair_Poopsmith: I'm pretty goddamn liberal, and if Romney had four times his fortune, and unless it can be shown to have been obtained illegally, it wouldn't have a thing to do with why he's unfit for the presidency.

The "Romney is rich" argument is equivalent to the "Obama is an elitist" argument. farking stop it. We've got buckets of attacks that actually have some substance.


I'm pretty sure this is not "our" attack. This is coming from the Right. It seems they are free-market capitalists unless you make a lot of money. It wasn't Obama who was demanding Mitt's tax returns.
 
2012-01-31 06:45:32 AM  

quatchi: Is this the thread where Fark Independents (tm) try to make the "John Kerry is Rich. Your argument is invalid" argument?

Cos that one never gets old.


Who cares about John Kerry?

Now Owl Gore, that jerk has too much money. And a large carbon footprint.
 
2012-01-31 06:48:42 AM  

sendtodave: [t2.gstatic.com image 268x188]

I'm more concerned that he'd want to grossly favor the wealthy, not that he, himself, is grossly wealthy.


This.
 
2012-01-31 07:01:46 AM  

sendtodave: quatchi: Is this the thread where Fark Independents (tm) try to make the "John Kerry is Rich. Your argument is invalid" argument?

Cos that one never gets old.

Who cares about John Kerry?

Now Owl Gore, that jerk has too much money. And a large carbon footprint.


LOLOLOL!

Karl Rove's Rule #1.

Take your biggest weakness and accuse your opponent of it first and in a louder voice.

GOP are whores to BigOil who want to dismantle the EPA and "drill, baby, drill" in every environmentally sensitive area still protected by law?

ALGORE flies in planes!!!!

You got a silver-spooner who used family connection to avoid the war by entering TANG and even then went AWOL in order to avoid a required physical that might have shown strong evidence of drug abuse and got him sent to 'Nam or jail?

[purpleheartbandaid]

Christ, anyone remember McCain of the umpteen houses playing the "elitist" card against Obama?

In Bizzaro GOP world up is down, war is peace, wrong is right and herp is derp.

Not even lightly tethered to reality by this point.
 
2012-01-31 07:03:59 AM  
So many farktards in this thread it's hard to count or decide who to respond to:)

Yes.. we can google :) good for y'all :) go ask mommy for a cookie.

Obviously Kerry's wealth was mentioned. Numerous times.
But it was nowhere near the cornerstone of the attacks against him that it's being made into for Mitt.
Inability to see and admit that = lying or retarded.
 
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