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(Some Number Cruncher) Interesting After Tuesday, it will be mathematically impossible for someone else to enter the GOP race and win the 1144 delegates needed for the nomination   (frontloading.blogspot.com) divider line 112
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2012-01-30 12:18:52 PM
Except that most delegates aren't beholden to their candidates at the convention and have been known to switch candidates.
 
2012-01-30 12:22:58 PM
Outrageous Muff: Except that most delegates aren't beholden to their candidates at the convention and have been known to switch candidates.

Exactly. A brokered convention is still possible if Newt and Romney fight to a draw and Santorum doesn't endorse. I think.

And then we could get Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin!
 
2012-01-30 12:31:17 PM
Like republicans are going to let math stand in the way of their ambitions.
 
2012-01-30 12:38:46 PM
Outrageous Muff: Except that most delegates aren't beholden to their candidates at the convention and have been known to switch candidates.

Yeah, so how does this work on the GOP side? I see that they have delegates for the RNC, delegates at large, and delegates by the congressional districts. How many of these are bound to their candidates and how many aren't?
 
2012-01-30 12:43:22 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Yeah, so how does this work on the GOP side? I see that they have delegates for the RNC, delegates at large, and delegates by the congressional districts. How many of these are bound to their candidates and how many aren't?

Delegates are legally free to vote for whomever. For the most part the candidates make sure their won(or elected) delegates are solid voters for them. However money has been known to change hands at party conventions, and since party laws a very loose, it can get interesting.
 
2012-01-30 12:47:54 PM
Houston Astros?
 
2012-01-30 01:03:00 PM
Mathematically, it is possible that a small asteroid could hit Florida eliminating all of it's electoral idiosyncrasities and the candidates all at one. So, mathematically, it is still possible to have a different candidate...just not one that wins Florida.
 
2012-01-30 01:07:21 PM
Outrageous Muff: Delegates are legally free to vote for whomever. For the most part the candidates make sure their won(or elected) delegates are solid voters for them. However money has been known to change hands at party conventions, and since party laws a very loose, it can get interesting.

Both Romney and Newt are too 'me first' to ever let that happen. If a third person were nominated, both of them would flip the fark out and go scorched earth on their respective 'bases.' Mittens would take his wall street friends and go home, and Newt would scream even louder about 'the establishment.'

Besides, most of the GOP leaders must know they will lose to Obama anyway. They knew that a year ago and that's why nobody with any credibility wanted to run. Better to let Romney have his chance now so he can go away for 2016. If they don't let Mitt have his turn, he'll be back in 4 years.
 
2012-01-30 01:13:07 PM
SphericalTime: Outrageous Muff: Except that most delegates aren't beholden to their candidates at the convention and have been known to switch candidates.

Exactly. A brokered convention is still possible if Newt and Romney fight to a draw and Santorum doesn't endorse. I think.

And then we could get Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin!


Can someone just come to the convention out of the blue to upset?
 
2012-01-30 01:22:36 PM
Diogenes: Can someone just come to the convention out of the blue to upset?

Yup.

The 1860 Democratic convention ended in a deadlock and took two more conventions to decide a nominee. Any candidate can put his or her name in for nomination. Shirley Chisholm got 152 votes in the 1972 Democratic convention.
 
2012-01-30 01:24:07 PM
OtherLittleGuy: Houston Astros?

Yeah, actually they are already mathematically eliminated from the 2012 playoffs.
 
2012-01-30 01:28:25 PM
Outrageous Muff: Diogenes: Can someone just come to the convention out of the blue to upset?

Yup.

The 1860 Democratic convention ended in a deadlock and took two more conventions to decide a nominee. Any candidate can put his or her name in for nomination. Shirley Chisholm got 152 votes in the 1972 Democratic convention.


Interesting. Because when I watched the GOP response to the SOTU, I could swear it was a trial balloon for Daniels.
 
2012-01-30 01:32:34 PM
So, you're saying there's a chance?
 
2012-01-30 01:32:35 PM
michaelzubick.com
 
2012-01-30 01:37:15 PM
Diogenes: Interesting. Because when I watched the GOP response to the SOTU, I could swear it was a trial balloon for Daniels.

Daniels will never be president nor will ever run for president. He's boring as shiat, his won't be reelected, and the story with his wife makes him look weak and un-manly. Why so many Republicans stayed out of the race is because of the polling done in 2010 where it showed that the GOP base would not vote for a person they considered moderate. Several examples of this being, Ridge in PA, Castle in Delaware, Angle in Nevada, and that moron in NY who ran for governor.

They stayed out to let the party fight out who will be in charge come 2012 and after. They are betting that the moderate will win out, so that they can at least keep the lower ticket races. However the real hope is that the crazy guy(newt) wins, gets trashed in the general and kills the entire moderate ticket. But it would be like starting a fire to save a forest, burning out all the dead wood would allow the rest to flourish.
 
2012-01-30 03:26:22 PM
Outrageous Muff: Diogenes: Interesting. Because when I watched the GOP response to the SOTU, I could swear it was a trial balloon for Daniels.

Daniels will never be president nor will ever run for president. He's boring as shiat, his won't be reelected, and the story with his wife makes him look weak and un-manly. Why so many Republicans stayed out of the race is because of the polling done in 2010 where it showed that the GOP base would not vote for a person they considered moderate. Several examples of this being, Ridge in PA, Castle in Delaware, Angle in Nevada, and that moron in NY who ran for governor.

They stayed out to let the party fight out who will be in charge come 2012 and after. They are betting that the moderate will win out, so that they can at least keep the lower ticket races. However the real hope is that the crazy guy(newt) wins, gets trashed in the general and kills the entire moderate ticket. But it would be like starting a fire to save a forest, burning out all the dead wood would allow the rest to flourish.


Daniels is too short an non-photogenic for the presidency.
 
2012-01-30 03:39:17 PM
I_C_Weener: Outrageous Muff: Diogenes: Interesting. Because when I watched the GOP response to the SOTU, I could swear it was a trial balloon for Daniels.

Daniels will never be president nor will ever run for president. He's boring as shiat, his won't be reelected, and the story with his wife makes him look weak and un-manly. Why so many Republicans stayed out of the race is because of the polling done in 2010 where it showed that the GOP base would not vote for a person they considered moderate. Several examples of this being, Ridge in PA, Castle in Delaware, Angle in Nevada, and that moron in NY who ran for governor.

They stayed out to let the party fight out who will be in charge come 2012 and after. They are betting that the moderate will win out, so that they can at least keep the lower ticket races. However the real hope is that the crazy guy(newt) wins, gets trashed in the general and kills the entire moderate ticket. But it would be like starting a fire to save a forest, burning out all the dead wood would allow the rest to flourish.

Daniels is too short an non-photogenic for the presidency.


He could be nfl "insider" John Clayton's twin.
 
2012-01-30 03:41:06 PM
HA ha. You guys are gonna be stuck with Romney. You might as well start convincing yourselves that he's always been a staunch social and fiscal conservative now and save the right-wing media the trouble.
 
2012-01-30 03:41:06 PM
This is bad news... for Obama!
 
2012-01-30 03:42:39 PM
what_now: [michaelzubick.com image 640x360]

This GOP shiat must be ONE of the few things that makes that man smile from day to day, with all the bullshiat he has to put up with.
 
2012-01-30 03:42:52 PM
SphericalTime: Outrageous Muff: Except that most delegates aren't beholden to their candidates at the convention and have been known to switch candidates.

Exactly. A brokered convention is still possible if Newt and Romney fight to a draw and Santorum doesn't endorse. I think.

And then we could get Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin!


I would start watching SNL again.
 
2012-01-30 03:45:24 PM
Outrageous Muff: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Yeah, so how does this work on the GOP side? I see that they have delegates for the RNC, delegates at large, and delegates by the congressional districts. How many of these are bound to their candidates and how many aren't?

Delegates are legally free to vote for whomever. For the most part the candidates make sure their won(or elected) delegates are solid voters for them. However money has been known to change hands at party conventions, and since party laws a very loose, it can get interesting.


If my wiki research is accurate, state delegates won in a primary or caucus are bound to their candidate for the first ballot, and after that they're released; the superdelegates aren't bound at any point. Keep in mind these are all party bylaws and not enforceable by any outside group.
 
2012-01-30 03:48:38 PM
After Tuesday, all major candidates will drop out of the race other than Romney. It's over, take a 4 month break then gear up for the General Election craziness
 
2012-01-30 03:49:02 PM
I_C_Weener:

Daniels is too short an non-photogenic for the presidency.


He looks more normal than Newt.

He was OMB director for Bush the lesser, that's why he's disqualified.
 
2012-01-30 03:49:24 PM
Lost Thought 00: After Tuesday, all major candidates will drop out of the race other than Romney. It's over, take a 4 month break then gear up for the General Election craziness

I dunno, I'm starting to think Newtles is going to pursue this to the bitter end even if he has no hope of winning, just to spite Romney.
 
2012-01-30 03:51:12 PM
SphericalTime: And then we could get Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin!

Well, that's sure to boost taco and alcohol sales.
 
2012-01-30 03:52:34 PM
oi43.tinypic.com
 
2012-01-30 03:52:40 PM
Trump may still enter the race. What limits do mathematics pose to a man able to go bankrupt running a casino?
 
2012-01-30 03:53:06 PM
C'mon Nootkins, use your Washington outsiderness and muscle your way into the nomination. Or, more accurately, waddle and wheeze your way into it.
 
2012-01-30 03:53:34 PM
SphericalTime: A brokered convention

ohplease ohplease ohplease ohplease

/set butthurt to MAXIMUM
 
2012-01-30 03:53:42 PM
Lost Thought 00: After Tuesday, all major candidates will drop out of the race other than Romney. It's over, take a 4 month break then gear up for the General Election craziness

I want to believe Newtie will keep it up. Not for the "I have a chance" factor, but just for the lulz of collecting contributions and spending them instead of his own cash.
 
2012-01-30 03:53:52 PM
Watching the GOP implode like this.....why, it's almost poetic. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of twats.
 
2012-01-30 03:54:00 PM
Andy Andy: I_C_Weener:

Daniels is too short an non-photogenic for the presidency.

He looks more normal than Newt.

He was OMB director for Bush the lesser, that's why he's disqualified.


Well that's actually why he should be disqualified but the GOP morans will eat that shiat up. You have to remember that the derpers are still convinced that credit for Bin Laden's death lies solely with the Bush administration and Obama had nothing to do with it.
 
2012-01-30 03:54:02 PM
A Dark Evil Omen: Lost Thought 00: After Tuesday, all major candidates will drop out of the race other than Romney. It's over, take a 4 month break then gear up for the General Election craziness

I dunno, I'm starting to think Newtles is going to pursue this to the bitter end even if he has no hope of winning, just to spite Romney.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-01-30 03:55:32 PM
I'll see your white knight and raise you a dark horse coming out of a brokered convention.

/Don't think it will happen, but I think it's a fun thought.
 
2012-01-30 03:57:07 PM
Andy Andy: He was OMB director for Bush the lesser, that's why he's disqualified

This.

Plus, frankly, nothing about the Republican platform that hasn't already been embraced by Obama makes any sense. I sense that Daniels is somewhat of an honest man (for a Republican politician). When he was on the Daily Show, you could see that he either wasn't comfortable spouting the bullshiat talking points, or that he knew they were complete crap. I don't know how you hide that in a general election.
Any sane Republican (I know, I know) should already be quite happy with the Republican president we currently have. I subscribe to the "forest fire" theory above for the current state of the Republican nomination race.
 
2012-01-30 03:57:46 PM
andrewagill: I'll see your white knight and raise you a dark horse coming out of a brokered convention.

/Don't think it will happen, but I think it's a fun thought.


Considering these nitwits can't restrain themselves from twittering whenever they think they have a clever thought, even if they're in the middle of official business, I don't see some master plan taking wing.

Fun to think about, though. Especially if some of the delegates come armed.
 
2012-01-30 04:01:20 PM
Lost Thought 00: candidates will drop out of the race other than Romney. It's over, take a 4 month break then gear up for the General Election

Santorum (or his PAC) called me in Minnesota for some campaigning last night. Paul's folks have also called in the past week.
 
2012-01-30 04:01:43 PM
brokered conventions. how do they work?
 
2012-01-30 04:01:51 PM
At least in Alabama, there is nothing to prevent, say, a Ron Paul supporter, from paying the GOP the required fee to appear on the ballot as a delegate for another candidate, say Romney. So the delegate has to vote for Romney in the first round at the convention, but after that they can support their own candidate. However, the whole convention could not be taken over this way as there are plenty of GOP officials, elected and otherwise, who have votes at the convention. This whole thing is going to be vicious and there will be plenty of surprises. I think you'll see Sarah Palin jumping in at a brokered convention (and talk up any candidate behind in the polls as she's doing now with Newt) and a strong second round showing for Ron Paul (he won't get the nom, but he will be strong). My money is on a Romney/Rand Paul ticket. But not much money.
 
2012-01-30 04:02:54 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: brokered conventions. how do they work?

By allowing Barack Obama a second term.
 
2012-01-30 04:03:03 PM
I was told there would be no math.
 
2012-01-30 04:03:24 PM
IXI Jim IXI: SphericalTime: And then we could get Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin!

Well, that's sure to boost taco and alcohol sales.


Certainly a better economic stimulus than this president has engineered in three years.

Obama budget could not even pass the Senate. Ready yourself for a another debt limit increase.
 
2012-01-30 04:03:54 PM
Swat a Gadfly: IXI Jim IXI: SphericalTime: And then we could get Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin!

Well, that's sure to boost taco and alcohol sales.

Certainly a better economic stimulus than this president has engineered in three years.

Obama budget could not even pass the Senate. Ready yourself for a another debt limit increase.


best part...............forever
 
2012-01-30 04:05:51 PM
Swat a Gadfly: IXI Jim IXI: SphericalTime: And then we could get Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin!

Well, that's sure to boost taco and alcohol sales.

Certainly a better economic stimulus than this president has engineered in three years.

Obama budget could not even pass a democratically controlled House and the Senate. Ready yourself for a another debt limit increase.


ftfy.
1000 days without a passed budget.

we will get to $17,000,000,000,000 before the election and then the good old days of a $14,000,000,000,000 debt will look quaint.
 
2012-01-30 04:07:58 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: Swat a Gadfly: IXI Jim IXI: SphericalTime: And then we could get Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin!

Well, that's sure to boost taco and alcohol sales.

Certainly a better economic stimulus than this president has engineered in three years.

Obama budget could not even pass a democratically controlled House and the Senate. Ready yourself for a another debt limit increase.

ftfy.
1000 days without a passed budget.

we will get to $17,000,000,000,000 before the election and then the good old days of a $14,000,000,000,000 debt will look quaint.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Democrats.
 
2012-01-30 04:16:26 PM
IXI Jim IXI: andrewagill: I'll see your white knight and raise you a dark horse coming out of a brokered convention.

/Don't think it will happen, but I think it's a fun thought.

Considering these nitwits can't restrain themselves from twittering whenever they think they have a clever thought, even if they're in the middle of official business, I don't see some master plan taking wing.

Fun to think about, though. Especially if some of the delegates come armed.


I don't think it would be a master plan, I just think it's a possibility if no one gets enough delegates, and the candidates that do have delegates all have high negative polling. Still not going to happen.
 
2012-01-30 04:18:37 PM
King Something: A Dark Evil Omen: Lost Thought 00: After Tuesday, all major candidates will drop out of the race other than Romney. It's over, take a 4 month break then gear up for the General Election craziness

I dunno, I'm starting to think Newtles is going to pursue this to the bitter end even if he has no hope of winning, just to spite Romney.

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Yea, I don't see Newt dropping out until after Super Tuesday. Santorum might drop out after Florida and endorse Newt.
 
2012-01-30 04:19:01 PM
andrewagill: I don't think it would be a master plan, I just think it's a possibility if no one gets enough delegates, and the candidates that do have delegates all have high negative polling. Still not going to happen.

As long as some of the delegates some armed, this mess will fix itself.
 
2012-01-30 04:20:14 PM
All I care about is how this effects Stephen Colbert's chances.
 
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