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(Debka Files)   US to launch war with Iran in May, says Israeli media with absolutely no personal interest in creating a self fulfilling prophecy   (debka.com) divider line 134
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2012-01-30 12:12:52 PM  
Debka thread.
ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-01-30 12:14:23 PM  
If they do go to war, we have to back them up because if we abandon an ally then who can trust us in the future?
 
2012-01-30 12:30:02 PM  
In before Drew's phone rings and the link "disappears".
 
2012-01-30 12:35:38 PM  
At least there will be something on TV until football starts again.
 
2012-01-30 12:39:41 PM  

Norv Turner: If they do go to war, we have to back them up because if we abandon an ally then who can trust us in the future?


One good thing about Obama as CinC, he probably won't put troops in harm's way for Israel like McCain would.
 
2012-01-30 12:40:28 PM  
The important thing to remember is that this isn't Israel's war.

The whole world REALLY wants it.

Honest.
 
2012-01-30 01:00:30 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Norv Turner: If they do go to war, we have to back them up because if we abandon an ally then who can trust us in the future?

One good thing about Obama as CinC, he probably won't put troops in harm's way for Israel like McCain would.


are we both trolling or are we both serious?

Only time will tell
 
2012-01-30 01:02:48 PM  
Debka? Give me a farking break.

What next, Bat Child?
 
2012-01-30 01:16:01 PM  

Norv Turner: Only time will tell


Follow this development

Israel requests delay in US-Israel missile defense exercise
"The United States did not seek the delay-and American sources privately voiced concern that the Israeli request for a postponement of the exercise could be read as a potential warning sign that Israel is leaving its options open to conduct a preemptive strike on Iran's nuclear facilities in the spring. Thus, the concern went, it may not want 5,000 U.S. troops on the ground in Israel in April and May, as had been scheduled for the exercise."

or

Joint IDF-U.S. drill postponed for at least three months
". . . [by] putting off the joint exercises until the second half of the year actually fits into a scenario that has Israel attacking Iran in that time framework. Defense Minister Ehud Barak has said on a number of recent occasions, including in a November interview to CNN, that the window during which an effective strike against Iran's nuclear facilities is possible will close in about one year. A massive U.S. military presence in Israel, especially advanced antimissile air defenses, would be very useful in protecting Israel in the event of an Iranian counterattack."

Or, hell, go DEBKA.

It was perceived as a mark of Israel's disapproval for the administration's apparent hesitancy in going through with the only tough sanctions with any chance of working against Iran's nuclear weapon program: penalizing its central bank and blocking payments for its petroleum exports.

This was the first time Israel had ever postponed a joint military exercise; it generated a seismic moment in relations between the US and Israel at a time when Iran has never been so close to producing a nuclear weapon.

This week, Netanyahu further orchestrated a series of uncharacteristically critical statements by senior ministers: Deputy Prime Minister Moshe Yaalon called the Obama administration "hesitant" (Jan. 15), after which Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman urged the Americans to "move from words to deeds" (Jan 16).


Of course, this bit "when Iran has never been so close to producing a nuclear weapon" is.. erm..

Let me dust of this oldie
May 2008 Israeli intelligence now believes Iran will have nukes by next year, and Israel is seriously considering preemptive unilateral military action. This headline brought to you courtesy of the years 2005-2030 (170)

This headline brought to you courtesy of the years 2005-2030

2004
2003
lets skip some

1996
1995
(1995) Iran May Be Able to Build an Atomic Bomb in 5 Years, U.S. and Israeli Officials Fear
1994
1993
1992

More on this
 
2012-01-30 01:19:58 PM  

Tatsuma: Debka? Give me a farking break.

What next, Bat Child?


Just ran into one of your old posts
2007-09-06 10:59:37 AM
Who has the bomb again?
Iran, pretty soon, that's why we have to stop before they do get one, which is anywhere within 6 months - 1 year now that they have more than 3,000 centrifuges

...
2007-09-06 11:09:23 AM
With 3,000+ centrifuges, a mere few months away indeed.
 
2012-01-30 01:27:29 PM  
* Kosher-like typing detected *
 
2012-01-30 01:34:38 PM  

Party Boy: Let me dust of this oldie
May 2008 Israeli intelligence now believes Iran will have nukes by next year, and Israel is seriously considering preemptive unilateral military action. This headline brought to you courtesy of the years 2005-2030 (170)


This headline brought to you courtesy of the years 2005-2030

2004
2003
lets skip some

1996
1995
(1995) Iran May Be Able to Build an Atomic Bomb in 5 Years, U.S. and Israeli Officials Fear
1994
1993
1992

More on this



Well it's pretty clear that neither Israel nor anyone else (Panetta) really takes the Iran Nuke Threattm seriously, yet Israel has been pushing for decades to con the US into taking out Iran.

So what is their motive? What does Israel really want, and why?

And more importantly, why in the hell are we playing along?
 
2012-01-30 01:44:08 PM  

Amos Quito: Well it's pretty clear that neither Israel nor anyone else (Panetta) really takes the Iran Nuke Threat


Panetta doesnt. Theres a problem with the Israeli "brass" disregarding it and a culture of worst case scenarios that are politically safe to make - in comparison to the political leadership. You've seen that here.

Amos Quito: So what is their motive? What does Israel really want, and why?


This is a mix bag, depending. Theres also a mix bag depending on the variety of factions within the US. Its contextual.
 
2012-01-30 01:50:41 PM  

Amos Quito: In before Drew's phone rings and the link "disappears".


So you're saying that Fark is part of the Jewish conspiracy, in connection with the RAND corporation, and reverse vampires to keep fake news from being released?
 
2012-01-30 01:51:32 PM  
From the NYT magazine

Non-Debka article
 
2012-01-30 01:59:04 PM  

Another issue

Heres some relevant information

(Sept 11, 2008) Israel asks U.S. for arms, air corridor to attack Iran
The bombs, which weigh 2.2 tons each, can penetrate six meters of reinforced concrete.

What's the PSI of this concrete for these tests? 5,000 psi.

What's the geometric rate of decrease on bomb penetration on PSI of concrete?
Heres our Big, monster bomb, the MASSIVE ORDINANCE PENETRATOR


it was expected to penetrate as much as 60 meters [200 feet] through 5,000 psi reinforced concrete, and 8 meters [25 feet] into 10,000 psi reinforced concrete.

from 60 meters to 8. and thats just for 10,000 psi + and thats for the Massive MOP. The GBU 28 is much smaller.

How hard can we make Concrete? Really hard.
How about the Iranians?

The University of Tehran made several cubes between 50,000 to 60,000 psi, and possible stronger...

Besides problems with the geometric decrease in penetrating power on increasing PSI of reinforced concrete, there's other issues:
• Delivery
• Time
• PSI concrete penetration
• Location



According to study, conducted by the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) in Washington, Iran's uranium enrichment sites are too widely dispersed and too well protected and concealed to be destroyed in an aerial strike.

US experts say Iran would be able to quickly repair damage in wake of military strike on its nuclear facilities; moreover, attack by Israel, US would boost support for Iranian regime, strengthen its resolve to acquire nuclear weapons, study warns

Amid rising speculation about the possibility of an Israeli or U.S. bombing attack on Iranian nuclear facilities earlier this month, a major study produced for the U.S. Air Force by a top defence think tank concluded that U.S. military action against Iran was "likely to have negative effects for the United States".

US Army Report: Israel lacks the military capability to locate and destroy Iranian nuclear assets. The report said the Israel Air Force cannot operate at such long distances from its bases.

Pentagon chiefs fear that Israeli plans for an attack on Iran's nuclear programme will fail to destroy the facilities because neither the CIA nor Mossad knows where every base is located
 
2012-01-30 02:00:55 PM  

Outrageous Muff: Amos Quito: In before Drew's phone rings and the link "disappears".

So you're saying that Fark is part of the Jewish conspiracy, in connection with the RAND corporation, and reverse vampires to keep fake news from being released?



RAND corporation???


;-)
 
2012-01-30 02:01:34 PM  

mysticcat: From the NYT magazine

When I mentioned to Barak the opinion voiced by the former Mossad chief Meir Dagan and the former chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi - that the Iranian threat was not as imminent as he and Netanyahu have suggested and that a military strike would be catastrophic (and that they, Barak and Netanyahu, were cynically looking to score populist points at the expense of national security), Barak reacted with uncharacteristic anger. He and Netanyahu, he said, are responsible "in a very direct and concrete way for the existence of the State of Israel - indeed, for the future of the Jewish people." As for the top-ranking military personnel with whom I've spoken who argued that an attack on Iran was either unnecessary or would be ineffective at this stage, Barak said: "It's good to have diversity in thinking and for people to voice their opinions. But at the end of the day, when the military command looks up, it sees us - the minister of defense and the prime minister. When we look up, we see nothing but the sky above us."


They sound very much like Cheney in 2002. With thinking like that I can actually see them leading Israel into a full war with Iran.
 
2012-01-30 02:05:41 PM  

Outrageous Muff: mysticcat: From the NYT magazine

When I mentioned to Barak the opinion voiced by the former Mossad chief Meir Dagan and the former chief of staff Gabi Ashkenazi - that the Iranian threat was not as imminent as he and Netanyahu have suggested and that a military strike would be catastrophic (and that they, Barak and Netanyahu, were cynically looking to score populist points at the expense of national security), Barak reacted with uncharacteristic anger. He and Netanyahu, he said, are responsible "in a very direct and concrete way for the existence of the State of Israel - indeed, for the future of the Jewish people." As for the top-ranking military personnel with whom I've spoken who argued that an attack on Iran was either unnecessary or would be ineffective at this stage, Barak said: "It's good to have diversity in thinking and for people to voice their opinions. But at the end of the day, when the military command looks up, it sees us - the minister of defense and the prime minister. When we look up, we see nothing but the sky above us."

They sound very much like Cheney in 2002. With thinking like that I can actually see them leading Israel into a full war with Iran.


even worse:

At various points in our conversation, Barak underscored that if Israel or the rest of the world waits too long, the moment will arrive - sometime in the coming year, he says - beyond which it will no longer be possible to act.

My bold
 
2012-01-30 02:11:37 PM  

mysticcat: My bold


Guess the year...

Benjamin Netanyahu
"Within three to five years, we can assume that Iran will become autonomous in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear bomb, without having to import either the technology or the material," Netanyahu said. "[The nuclear threat] must be uprooted by an international front headed by the US. It necessitates economic sanctions on Iran."

Answer
 
2012-01-30 02:16:54 PM  
The fark even is this thread
 
2012-01-30 02:25:53 PM  

Party Boy: mysticcat: My bold

Guess the year...

Benjamin Netanyahu
"Within three to five years, we can assume that Iran will become autonomous in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear bomb, without having to import either the technology or the material," Netanyahu said. "[The nuclear threat] must be uprooted by an international front headed by the US. It necessitates economic sanctions on Iran."

Answer


Right. I think that this is mostly posturing by Israel in an attempt to manufacture more urgency from the U.S. and others regarding Iran's nuclear capability. However, numerous others have expressed concern that Iran will have enough fissile material for a bomb within a time frame of months to a few years. If this occurs there are but three outcomes: 1) Iran and the international community reach a settlement 2) the US and Israel allow for a nuclear Iran 3) Iran is attacked.
 
2012-01-30 02:30:50 PM  

mysticcat: However, numerous others have expressed concern that Iran will have enough fissile material for a bomb within a time frame of months to a few years.


Wouldn't gloss over this step.
 
2012-01-30 02:37:43 PM  

Party Boy: his step.


Big link. Look at the variety of opinions on fissile material.
 
2012-01-30 02:41:58 PM  
How about NO.
 
2012-01-30 02:43:43 PM  
Pretty bad when you are so busy that you have to schedule a war months in advance.
 
2012-01-30 02:47:53 PM  
I don't know what "Debka" is, but I'm assuming it's some sort of tabloid or a rag for fringe-lunatics.

Regardless, I don't think anyone can dispute that the current government of Israel has some pigs that are doing everything they can to get us to fight a war for them, and there is a substantial group of US politicians who seem willing to do so lest they risk alienating certain Jewish and Christian Zionist organizations.

Dear Bibi: F*ck you. Fight your own wars.
 
2012-01-30 02:48:17 PM  
Wishful thinking, the Israelis have a culture that seemingly never tires of squabbling in the middle east, Americans need a break. Catch us again in a decade when people forgot how shiatty it is to get involved.
 
2012-01-30 02:49:33 PM  

Amos Quito: In before Drew's phone rings and the link "disappears".


When has that ever happened?
 
2012-01-30 02:50:50 PM  
If only I had some PS skills...

Would anyone like to take up the challenge?

Take that old movie shot from Dr. Strangelove of the cowboy riding the bomb and change out the cowboy for a rabbi... Caption "May 2012: Tatsuma leads the charge!"
 
2012-01-30 02:51:37 PM  
Well it is an election year so you can never tell.

Actually what I'd like to see (well not really) is for Iran to shoot first, before the election, just to see all the GOP Hawks turn into doves and see all the FauxNews commentators and Rush now all of a sudden think it's a bad thing to go after Iran, and probably go as far as to blame Israel who up until now could do no wrong.
 
2012-01-30 02:51:48 PM  

indylaw: Regardless, I don't think anyone can dispute that the current government of Israel has some pigs that are doing everything they can to get us to fight a war for them, and there is a substantial group of US politicians who seem willing to do so lest they risk alienating certain Jewish and Christian Zionist organizations


And by "current government of Israel" you mean every one since its inception? They have been nothing but trouble and cost to us and are not worth it.
 
2012-01-30 02:54:17 PM  
...a self fulfilling prophecy

I thought Christianity was Judaism's self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
2012-01-30 02:54:43 PM  
What in the world is taking so long?
 
2012-01-30 02:54:44 PM  
Did anyone see Zbigniew Brzezinski on Charlie Rose last week?

(He was talking about the US/Iran dynamic)
 
2012-01-30 02:55:07 PM  

Amos Quito: In before Drew's phone rings and the link "disappears".


It's debka. It's kind of like quoting infowars.com as a source about "a vast conspiracy undermining our freedoms coming our way"
 
2012-01-30 02:55:28 PM  

Mugato: Amos Quito: In before Drew's phone rings and the link "disappears".

When has that ever happened?


The occasional user might "disappear".

\heard about it on some other website
 
2012-01-30 02:56:15 PM  
I sure hope not.
 
2012-01-30 02:57:46 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: ...a self fulfilling prophecy

I thought Christianity was Judaism's self-fulfilling prophecy.


Getting Rome to believe in the restoration of Jerusalem at the end times by SPaul is one of history history's greatest lulz.
 
2012-01-30 03:00:19 PM  

Party Boy: Tatsuma: Debka? Give me a farking break.

What next, Bat Child?

Just ran into one of your old posts2007-09-06 10:59:37 AM
Who has the bomb again?
Iran, pretty soon, that's why we have to stop before they do get one, which is anywhere within 6 months - 1 year now that they have more than 3,000 centrifuges

...
2007-09-06 11:09:23 AM
With 3,000+ centrifuges, a mere few months away indeed.


In my opinion, the fact that Iran doesn't possess nukes yet only proves that the foreign policy of the US and Israel works as advertised and has made the world a safer place.
 
2012-01-30 03:00:59 PM  
Iran made a really stupid move when they threatened the Strait of Hormuz as their counter. That pissed off a lot of people that they really need on their side (and don't give a shiat about Israel). If they ever really did close the straits, it would be a tossup as to who started bombing them first, us or China.
 
2012-01-30 03:01:09 PM  
If we go to war with Iran, I am siding with Iran.
 
2012-01-30 03:01:10 PM  
Is this before or after Obama grabs everyone's guns?
 
2012-01-30 03:04:04 PM  

iollow: If we go to war with Iran, I am siding with Iran.


Why?
 
2012-01-30 03:04:27 PM  

Hetfield: In my opinion, the fact that Iran doesn't possess nukes yet only proves that


it can prove a bunch of correlative measures, from anything to that they aren't making HEU because they have shiatty antique centrifuges, to they're not wanting to make them, to theres 500 30 megaton MIRV warheads on state of the art ICBMS that are super secret, to how, when i'm alone, I can fart rainbows.
 
2012-01-30 03:05:25 PM  

Raharu: iollow: If we go to war with Iran, I am siding with Iran.

Why?


Because douchebags of a feather flock together.
 
2012-01-30 03:06:13 PM  

Party Boy: I can fart rainbows.


TEACH ME. TEACH ME NOW.
 
2012-01-30 03:06:17 PM  
Yeeeeeeah we aren't going to go to war with those guys unless they actually launch missiles. So far they're just pulling an "Internet tough guy" on the world.
 
2012-01-30 03:07:51 PM  

iollow: If we go to war with Iran, I am siding with Iran.


Careful Citizen, bad-speak like that can get you a free trip to somewhere warm!
 
2012-01-30 03:08:47 PM  
The Israeli Media that Rick Sanchez was talking about or the one in Israel?
 
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