I'm surprised there's no reward offered.

Can Fark solve the case?

Ooh, I know this one! Professor Plum in the conservatory with a candlestick.

Ambitwistor: Ooh, I know this one! Professor Plum in the conservatory with a candlestick.

I thought he and Colonel Mustard agreed to keep that part of their lives to themselves. It was just a time of experimentation.

A-ha-ha-ha. I couldn't possibly solve this mystery. Can YOU?

It was the butler, it's always the butler!

tjsands1118: It was the butler, it's always the butler!

no! this happened on a sunday and he was out getting the mail at the time

Police forensics, how does it work?

Ambitwistor: Ooh, I know this one! Professor Plum in the conservatory with a candlestick.

He stabbed her 20 times with a candlestick? Sounds kinky!

HAH! This kills me.

"But now, after not receiving a single useful tip from the public understanding how to do their job"

/donut monkeys

I can't speak for Sarasota County, but in my area of Charlotte County (just to the south), a lot of my high school classmates who couldn't make it into college went to the police academy. One of my brother's friends would just sit at home playing video games with the radio next to him, instead of staying out on patrol.
/CSB

Suicide. She stabbed herself 20 times after hiring a guy to steal her car.

Thats some fine police work there Barney

I'm sure the family of the victim is loving this.

SlothB77: they have fingerprints and video of the guy and they still can't solve this?

Bob16: Thats some fine police work there Barney

baronvonzipper: "But now, after not receiving a single useful tip from the public understanding how to do their job"

/donut monkeys

snochick: Police forensics, how does it work?

Ok, so tell us what they've done wrong.

They've got fingerprints and DNA, both of which have apparently been run through IAFIS and CODIS with no hits obtained.

They've got video, which isn't clear enough to make a visual ID.

They've got a shoeprint.

It looks to me like they've done a pretty good job so far. The victim lived a lifestyle that didn't predispose her to being a victim of violent crime. No known significant other, no history of problems so there's no obvious suspects.

It may come as a shock to those that learn about investigations from CSI, but in the real world most murders are caught because they're an obvious suspect and/or they fark up and do something stupid like use the victim's credit cards or brag to someone.

These killers didn't do so and don't appear to have a criminal history (hence no IAPIS or CODIS hit). It is literally a whodunnit and those are danged hard to solve.

Fire the cops.

There's gotta be a Chief Wiggum joke in there

So the police in other states never ask the public for help solving crimes, right Smitty?

They seem to need some sort of... consulting detective.

Colonel Mustard did it in the library with the rope . . .

Good work getting that transit bus video. Kinda scary. Glad they don't put this much effort into catching stoners.

wbb115psu: Can Fark solve the case?

It was probably everyone that has ever disagreed with me on Fark. Doesn't matter if I was right or wrong, they are guilty of murder.

Everyone's got a cell phone these days, and they have multiple sites and locked-down time frames. What ESN's interfaced with towers in range of both sites in both time periods?

If they are correct about the accomplice aspect, there's a more than fair possibility the second person wasn't involved from the start. Person #1 shows up, murders, freaks, calls person #2, who comes to assist, makes it look like a robbery, like they were looking for a safe, and hitting other spots in the neighborhood.

/you're welcome

Meanwhile, in Idaville...

JustGetItRight: SlothB77: they have fingerprints and video of the guy and they still can't solve this?

Bob16: Thats some fine police work there Barney

baronvonzipper: "But now, after not receiving a single useful tip from the public understanding how to do their job"

/donut monkeys

snochick: Police forensics, how does it work?

Ok, so tell us what they've done wrong.

They've got fingerprints and DNA, both of which have apparently been run through IAFIS and CODIS with no hits obtained.

They've got video, which isn't clear enough to make a visual ID.

They've got a shoeprint.

It looks to me like they've done a pretty good job so far. The victim lived a lifestyle that didn't predispose her to being a victim of violent crime. No known significant other, no history of problems so there's no obvious suspects.

It may come as a shock to those that learn about investigations from CSI, but in the real world most murders are caught because they're an obvious suspect and/or they fark up and do something stupid like use the victim's credit cards or brag to someone.

These killers didn't do so and don't appear to have a criminal history (hence no IAPIS or CODIS hit). It is literally a whodunnit and those are danged hard to solve.

Exactly correct. Their only hope of catching this guy now is pretty much to wait for a DNA match to come up, or to put out everything they have in hopes that whoever did it will be scared into making a mistake.

The timing of the thing doesn't make much sense to me, though. It doesn't make sense to me that you would set out to kill someone and then when you were done with that, you take the time to rob the place across the street on a whim. Planning that ahead of time makes even less sense. What would make all these details come together a lot neater is if they were robbing the place across the street, and the lady came out of her house to see what was going on so early in the morning and busted them. Then they chase her back in to her own house (no signs of forced entry, remember) and kill her. The stabbings would then not have been done in anger, but out of fear. Especially if she was defiant and non-cooperative. Then they robbed her house then because she had good stuff that was easy to dump, as well as a station wagon with keys to drive it all off in. The wallet was dumped somewhere or the numbers on the cards would have been used at some point. The only thing that doesn't jibe at that point is the neighbor's story about when they were home and when they weren't, and that is a lot less problematic than believing that two guys planned it to happen the way it went down. If the murder wasn't planned, then they would be too nervous to consider robbing the house across the street. If it was planned, they would not have likely planned it to happen before they robbed another house. It just doesn't make any sense to me for it to have happened the way they said it did. I'd give the neighbor another close look.

JustGetItRight: These killers didn't do so and don't appear to have a criminal history (hence no IAPIS or CODIS hit). It is literally a whodunnit and those are danged hard to solve.

A couple things that caught my eye:

1. The killer moved the body. This means that the killer likely knew the victim.
2. The killer drove about an hour away from the victim's house, to likely his own house, to wipe the car.

Wait, wait... they've got video. Couldn't they just pop on over to Miami and get them to zoom in and enhance? I mean, come on... why are they letting the stupid detectives do all the work. We all know it's the CSI geeks that really solve all these crimes....

/kinda like avid770's suggestion of using cell tower records
//warrant could be narrowly tailored to return the list of ESN's at both towers during the appropriate time frames.

Nightsweat: They seem to need some sort of... consulting detective.

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Came for the Sherlock reference and leaving satisfied...with 8 ideas.

Balchinian: The timing of the thing doesn't make much sense to me, though. It doesn't make sense to me that you would set out to kill someone and then when you were done with that, you take the time to rob the place across the street on a whim. Planning that ahead of time makes even less sense. What would make all these details come together a lot neater is if they were robbing the place across the street, and the lady came out of her house to see what was going on so early in the morning and busted them. Then they chase her back in to h ...

I really doubt this was a burglary-gone-wrong: 20 stabs, no forced entry, moving the body, putting a family photo face down.

nickerj1: JustGetItRight: These killers didn't do so and don't appear to have a criminal history (hence no IAPIS or CODIS hit). It is literally a whodunnit and those are danged hard to solve.

A couple things that caught my eye:

1. The killer moved the body. This means that the killer likely knew the victim.
2. The killer drove about an hour away from the victim's house, to likely his own house, to wipe the car.

I would be grilling the male relatives of her patients for the last 2 years or so to see if anyone has any alibi issues during the time period in question. My guess is that it's someone, who through casual conversation, or otherwise, determined that this woman would be an easy target, perhaps someone who was convinced that this home health care aid was either mal-treating someone they knew and loved, or that she may have been aware of any wrong-doing/stealing that any of the relatives were doing of the not-yet-dead patient's things. Something about that picture, if we could see it, may be of interest as well. Something represented, in that picture that's either missing or twisted in the murderer's own life.

Too bad the cops are too busy writing tickets to hapless motorists to care enough to continue to work on this case. If I was one of the victim's family, I'd be all over that Police Chief to resign.

Hey I dig this whole crowd sourcing murder solution. Have they tried putting this task up on Amazon Mechanical Turk?

hillary: JustGetItRight: They've got fingerprints and DNA, both of which have apparently been run through IAFIS and CODIS with no hits obtained.

The article doesn't exactly say that. It leaves it open as to whether or not the DNA has been run or if it is still in the queue along with the rest of the national backlog. It just says that there has been no match yet. It's kinda weird the way it is written:

From that blood, detectives have the DNA for one of the burglars they now know to be male. So far, that DNA and the fingerprints from the burglary have not been traced to anyone with a criminal history. Yet detectives remain hopeful, especially since federal authorities are still processing a backlog of DNA submissions from law enforcement agencies nationwide as they build a more comprehensive database.

Almost positive he's referring to the database being updated with the profiles of those recently arrested. He's hoping that he'll get an id later on as the number of profiles on file grows.

/Wonder if Florida is allow to/can do familial DNA searches?

What's her will say? Any recent changes to it?

jedzz: Meanwhile, in Idaville...

Came to pin the crime on Bugs Meany

Nightsweat: They seem to need some sort of... consulting detective.

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Detective Boy Conan, Encyclopedia Brown, Nancy Drew, the Hardy Boys, and the Three Investigators are on the case.

JustGetItRight: SlothB77: they have fingerprints and video of the guy and they still can't solve this?

Bob16: Thats some fine police work there Barney

baronvonzipper: "But now, after not receiving a single useful tip from the public understanding how to do their job"

/donut monkeys

snochick: Police forensics, how does it work?

Ok, so tell us what they've done wrong.

They've got fingerprints and DNA, both of which have apparently been run through IAFIS and CODIS with no hits obtained.

They've got video, which isn't clear enough to make a visual ID.

They've got a shoeprint.

It looks to me like they've done a pretty good job so far. The victim lived a lifestyle that didn't predispose her to being a victim of violent crime. No known significant other, no history of problems so there's no obvious suspects.

It may come as a shock to those that learn about investigations from CSI, but in the real world most murders are caught because they're an obvious suspect and/or they fark up and do something stupid like use the victim's credit cards or brag to someone.

These killers didn't do so and don't appear to have a criminal history (hence no IAPIS or CODIS hit). It is literally a whodunnit and those are danged hard to solve.

You forgot SCMODS. Was the potential offender in SCMODS?

/Sorry, first thing to mind.

I have a hunch they have somebody in mind. They just don't have the last couple of pieces of evidence to take it to a jury. So, they show part of their hand in hopes that someone (like an ex girlfirend) will flip and fill in the blanks.

I'm going to guess this will be a young male that has so far not managed to get arrested (hence, no fingerprint or DNA hit). He may have come close a couple of times.

Another thing they could have done, though it would have to of been done back closer to the date of the murder and might have been futile, was to pull security camera of local businesses near the victim's house and near the mall (or all bus transit footage) that day.

You might be able to determine the direction he approached the mall or left the house in her car.

Maybe you could chain security footage together to determine his wipe location and other information, in a UK-big-brother-eyes kinda way.

Also the mobility management records is a good idea. If he did kill her ~3-4am he probably made a call sometime before 6am. Not many people calling that early.

FTA:
"Somebody knows who that guy is," Detective Mark Micale said. "No question about it."

I'm pretty sure that Defective Mark Micale is right about this supposition. Somebody does know this guy, (mom 'n dad come to mind), but somebody doesn't know he's a cowardly killer of a 64-year-old woman.

Usually, the older the victim the younger the perp. Also, bloody knifey crime scenes are not necessarily anger/knows victim...could just be inexperience, hence not finding the DNA yet in the databases.

Wow, this happened about 5 minutes from me and this is the first I've heard of it. Kensington Park used to be a nice blue collar.neighborhood, bits now its a mix of leftover blue collar workers, elderly retirees, and drug dealers/wanna-be gangsters.

Sad.

wbb115psu: Can Fark solve the case?

4chan could solve it.

/won't