He sees you when you're sleeping.
He knows when you're awake.
He knows if you've been bad or good,
Cause he stalks you to your wake.

gopher321: I'm not sure what this guy is after - he wants to be "de-baptised"? The Church has to make up a new ritual for him or something?

The idea is you want to stop being counted in the rolls, and not have your name associated with it anymore. The Catholic Church will list you as a member if you were ever baptised.

Granted, it's somewhat childish (I say this having requested the same thing as a teenager), but he has every right to be asked to be removed if he really, really wants to.

If he doesn't believe, wouldn't he believe nothing happened except he got dunked in water?

gopher321: I'm not sure what this guy is after - he wants to be "de-baptised"? The Church has to make up a new ritual for him or something?

He wants to be removed from church documents for a variety of philosophical and bureaucratic reasons. The movement of de-baptism is strong in Germany as well, because Germany has various church taxes that are deducted from paychecks and sent to churches based upon what baptism documents state.

If I were French, I'd want to rewrite history too.

Wait til you find your involuntary postmortem baptism as a Mormon forces you to live around LDS people for eternity. Welcome to Hell!

My parents left the catholic church when I was four, they still receive those tithe envelopes. I have a few of them saved for posterity. They're pretty amusing.

This is the same with all religions, if you want to leave the Jewish faith they won't de-circumcise you.

rebelyell2006: gopher321: I'm not sure what this guy is after - he wants to be "de-baptised"? The Church has to make up a new ritual for him or something?

He wants to be removed from church documents for a variety of philosophical and bureaucratic reasons. The movement of de-baptism is strong in Germany as well, because Germany has various church taxes that are deducted from paychecks and sent to churches based upon what baptism documents state.

Wow. I never knew that. Good to know.

Catholic frogs say that you can't be debaptized???

Fark covered that topic just 11 days ago. Don't they know that we the farkers have already ruled against them?

rebelyell2006: gopher321: I'm not sure what this guy is after - he wants to be "de-baptised"? The Church has to make up a new ritual for him or something?

He wants to be removed from church documents for a variety of philosophical and bureaucratic reasons. The movement of de-baptism is strong in Germany as well, because Germany has various church taxes that are deducted from paychecks and sent to churches based upon what baptism documents state.

In Germany I'd be forced to lose part of my paycheck to the Catholic Church is I was once baptized as a Catholic. And there is no way to stop this if? I am skeptical.

If baptizing someone involves pouring water on their faces, what would a debaptism look like? Patting someone dry?

or, he could just, you know...WAKE UP!

I'm having the same problem with DirecTV. They won't stop sending me those "Please come back!" letters.

RickN99: rebelyell2006: gopher321: I'm not sure what this guy is after - he wants to be "de-baptised"? The Church has to make up a new ritual for him or something?

He wants to be removed from church documents for a variety of philosophical and bureaucratic reasons. The movement of de-baptism is strong in Germany as well, because Germany has various church taxes that are deducted from paychecks and sent to churches based upon what baptism documents state.

In Germany I'd be forced to lose part of my paycheck to the Catholic Church is I was once baptized as a Catholic. And there is no way to stop this if? I am skeptical.

Church Taxes. They are common in European countries. Pretty farked up, actually.

FitzShivering: The idea is you want to stop being counted in the rolls, and not have your name associated with it anymore. The Catholic Church will list you as a member if you were ever baptised.

All you have to do is call the parish you were associated with, and tell them you are no longer a member. People do it when they move all the time.

You are wanting an establishment to which you no longer ascribe authority to officiate over your split from it? You are doing a number of things wrong.

FitzShivering: The idea is you want to stop being counted in the rolls, and not have your name associated with it anymore. The Catholic Church will list you as a member if you were ever baptised.

FitzShivering, you have just become a member of The Chuch of The Holy Jingkstess. Sorry, you can never unbecome a member.

FitzShivering: Wow. I never knew that. Good to know.

I'm still listed as a "member" of the Catholic church I grew up and I've only been back twice in the last 20 years. They still send the occasional mailing to me the house I grew up in (now my brothers). I never thought to request to be removed from the books.

When I was last there a couple of years ago for my nephews first communion (I'm his 'godfather') - the priest came up to me and asked me when he expects to see me back - I offered that I would be willing to come back if he officiated at the wedding between me and my boyfriend. The priest did a very Minnesotan thing - he changed the subject to the weather.

rebelyell2006: RickN99: rebelyell2006: gopher321: I'm not sure what this guy is after - he wants to be "de-baptised"? The Church has to make up a new ritual for him or something?

He wants to be removed from church documents for a variety of philosophical and bureaucratic reasons. The movement of de-baptism is strong in Germany as well, because Germany has various church taxes that are deducted from paychecks and sent to churches based upon what baptism documents state.

In Germany I'd be forced to lose part of my paycheck to the Catholic Church is I was once baptized as a Catholic. And there is no way to stop this if? I am skeptical.

Church Taxes. They are common in European countries. Pretty farked up, actually.

from link:
"Members of a religious community which is a corporate body under public law may formally declare to state authorities that they wish to leave the community (this is commonly referred to as "leaving the church"). With such declaration, the obligation to pay church taxes ends."

Apparently equated with excommincation. Though joining the Stonecutters Freemasons would also accomplish that task.

rebelyell2006: gopher321: I'm not sure what this guy is after - he wants to be "de-baptised"? The Church has to make up a new ritual for him or something?

He wants to be removed from church documents for a variety of philosophical and bureaucratic reasons. The movement of de-baptism is strong in Germany as well, because Germany has various church taxes that are deducted from paychecks and sent to churches based upon what baptism documents state.

They don't necessarily do that in other countries, but even when they don't, a church's political power comes largely from the number of members they have in the book. I know a massive number of lapsed/recovering/former Catholics who the church still counts as backing them. Same reason the Mormons convert people postmortem.

About the only way I know of to truly leave is to be excommunicated for apostasy. In essence, you send a letter to the Vatican declaring that you're an apostate (interestingly, being a heretic won't cut it, even though it's more accurate), laying out your intention to continue that way, and declaring your lack of repentance. If you do that, they MIGHT excommunicate you and strike you from the rolls.

RickN99: rebelyell2006: gopher321: I'm not sure what this guy is after - he wants to be "de-baptised"? The Church has to make up a new ritual for him or something?

He wants to be removed from church documents for a variety of philosophical and bureaucratic reasons. The movement of de-baptism is strong in Germany as well, because Germany has various church taxes that are deducted from paychecks and sent to churches based upon what baptism documents state.

In Germany I'd be forced to lose part of my paycheck to the Catholic Church is I was once baptized as a Catholic. And there is no way to stop this if? I am skeptical.

Sounds like the issue is German's socialism.

RIP Marc-Andre Fleury

/hot
//RTFA for a clue...

Sybarite: In France, an elderly man is fighting to make a formal break with the Catholic Church.

Oh, that's easy. You just walk up to the Pope and say "I break with thee. I break with thee. I break with thee." and then you throw dog poop on his shoes.

Then, when I am at the crazy swinging singles bar, I look for the girls with dog poop on their shoes

ATTENTION EVERYONE WE FOUND ANTI CHRIST.

ANYONE SUPPORTING THE USE OF CONDOMS IS JUST ASKING FOR IT. SERIOUSLY

I"D KICK HIM IN THE NARDS RIGHT NOW.

You can check out, but you can never leave.

OK did any farkers actually know any pedophile priests?

I knew some lesbian ex-nuns.

gopher321: I'm not sure what this guy is after - he wants to be "de-baptised"? The Church has to make up a new ritual for him or something?

It's not just him. It's a new "movement" (a bowel movement apparently) in some whacked atheists are attempting to become the world's douchiest AWs.

Wise_Guy: If he doesn't believe, wouldn't he believe nothing happened except he got dunked in water?

This was my initial thought, but I guess the answer is that it's not enough for him unless he make noise about it.

Super Chronic: Wise_Guy: If he doesn't believe, wouldn't he believe nothing happened except he got dunked in water?

This was my initial thought, but I guess the answer is that it's not enough for him unless he make noise about it.

makes

If you're asking to be unbaptized, aren't you admitting, to some degree, that something has been done in the first place? I was baptized, raised Catholic, and then made the decision that I didn't believe in god. With that went all the beliefs that baptism means anything at all. If some dude walks down the street and yells "I place a curse on you" I don't actually believe I am cursed. Should I track him down and force him to undo it?

Anyhow, as a private organization, they must have some rights to keep records that you were, at one time, a member. So I am not sure what this guy's reasoning is except that he wants to be an attention whore. He doesn't believe, but they do. Their understanding and belief is that once you are baptized, god has accepted you forever. They can't establish new beliefs just because this guy doesn't like it.

Super Chronic: Wise_Guy: If he doesn't believe, wouldn't he believe nothing happened except he got dunked in water?

This was my initial thought, but I guess the answer is that it's not enough for him unless he make noise about it.

So if you joined some cult as a kid and they told you flat out that you could never resign from it- wouldn't you get pissed off?

Even the KKK would let someone resign, why can't this cult be at least as obliging/understanding as the KKK?

WinoRhino: If you're asking to be unbaptized, aren't you admitting, to some degree, that something has been done in the first place? I was baptized, raised Catholic, and then made the decision that I didn't believe in god. With that went all the beliefs that baptism means anything at all. If some dude walks down the street and yells "I place a curse on you" I don't actually believe I am cursed. Should I track him down and force him to undo it?

Anyhow, as a private organization, they must have some rights to keep records that you were, at one time, a member. So I am not sure what this guy's reasoning is except that he wants to be an attention whore. He doesn't believe, but they do. Their understanding and belief is that once you are baptized, god has accepted you forever. They can't establish new beliefs just because this guy doesn't like it.

Ah, but as so very many people have pointed out, in Germany if the church says that you are one of them, the government automatically deducts up to 9% of your paycheck (every paycheck) and sends that money to the cult that claims ownership of you. This guy doesn't want the catholics to pretend they own him any more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany

meat0918: Of all the dumb things. So you don't believe in god. Why would you believe getting splashed with some water when you were a child would have any effect?

//Debaptizers are hypocrites.

Exactly. If you request something be "undone" then you logically are admitting it had been done in the first place. And if you think it was just an act of water being poured, then you can't undo that any easier than you can unscramble an egg. So this guy is simply making noise.

"Hey, if you read history, you realize that God is one of the leading causes of death. Has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians all taking turns killing each other 'cause God told them it was a good idea. The sword of God, the blood of the land, vengeance is mine. Millions of dead motherfarkers. Millions of dead motherfarkers all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question. 'You believe in God?' 'No.' Boom. Dead. 'You believe in God?' 'Yes.' 'You believe in my God? 'No.' Boom. Dead. 'My God has a bigger dick than your God!'"

Leeds: Super Chronic: Wise_Guy: If he doesn't believe, wouldn't he believe nothing happened except he got dunked in water?

This was my initial thought, but I guess the answer is that it's not enough for him unless he make noise about it.

So if you joined some cult as a kid and they told you flat out that you could never resign from it- wouldn't you get pissed off?

No, not really. Unless every Sunday they're forcibly dragging him to church or something, what does it matter?

Leeds: Ah, but as so very many people have pointed out, in Germany if the church says that you are one of them, the government automatically deducts up to 9% of your paycheck (every paycheck) and sends that money to the cult that claims ownership of you. This guy doesn't want the catholics to pretend they own him any more.

Shenanigans. It says they can collect fees, but I would absolutely guarantee that this isn't done automatically based on the church's records. Because they could simply put anyone's name on their records and collect. Let's apply some common sense, here. I'm going to look up the exact process and I am sure I will find that this is easily avoided by simply saying "No, I'm not paying that."

Oh, they were quite open about it: "That's all we want... your immortal soul."

And every time they mentioned 'soul,' they were saying, 'Save it!' 'Save your soooooul! Save your soooooooul!

And the Catholics were after mine.

I said, 'No good, man-I'm savin' my soul! Yeah! Shine it up, use it on the weekends!

RedPhoenix122: WeenerGord: "Hey, if you read history, you realize that God is one of the leading causes of death. Has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians all taking turns killing each other 'cause God told them it was a good idea. The sword of God, the blood of the land, vengeance is mine. Millions of dead motherfarkers. Millions of dead motherfarkers all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question. 'You believe in God?' 'No.' Boom. Dead. 'You believe in God?' 'Yes.' 'You believe in my God? 'No.' Boom. Dead. 'My God has a bigger dick than your God!'"

If you're gonna steal lines from Carlin, at least attribute them to him.



Listen dipshiat, are you new around here? Quoting Carlin is a tribute to the great man. All the true leet recognize the words of wisdom instantly, and recognize the tribute.

It's only insecure tiny penised cockmonglers like yourself who whine about "attribute".

Attribute my ass.

Leeds: Ah, but as so very many people have pointed out, in Germany if the church says that you are one of them, the government automatically deducts up to 9% of your paycheck (every paycheck) and sends that money to the cult that claims ownership of you. This guy doesn't want the catholics to pretend they own him any more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Germany


That was quick. Here it is: http://ncronline.org/news/global/german-court-upholds-church-tax-chall enge

Catholics can simply say "Nope. Not paying" and remain members of the church.