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2012-01-30 03:31:59 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: One thing you can't say is that GRRM doesn't provide an understandable picture of his world


Social interactions, anyway. That's about all he's known for developing, really.
 
2012-01-30 03:32:16 PM  

MorePeasPlease: Ok, so Martin's gone on a killing spree in his books, we all agree, and the series has stayed true so far (spoiler-free for those who have watched Season 1):

Game of Thrones: Eddard Stark, Khal Dhrogo, (**?**).
Clash of Kings: (**?**), (**?**), (**?**), (**?**), (**?**).
Storm of Swords: (killing breather)
Feast for Crows: (**?**), (**?**), (**?**), (**?**), (**?**), (**?**), (**?**), (**?**), (**?**).
Dance with Dragons: (**?**), (**?**), (**?**), (**?**), (**?**).

Will HBO have the continued balls to kill off all these popular actors, and does Martin even have any main characters left at this point for the next book (ones turned to Others don't count, even though that's half the initial characters)?

/No, fully transformed dragonbloods don't count either, unless you think that Dragon-Dany is still somehow sentient after Tyrion's draught after her change in CoK.


This post will have spoilers. Do not read it if you don't want them.


This is a pretty tired complaint about Martin. Who is "safe" and who isn't is pretty clear (i.e. Stark kids, Dany, Tyrion[until the end at least] safe, everyone else, not safe), and the one death that falls outside of his method, Robb's, was telegraphed pretty heavily. His main characters are rather obvious, he's really only killed off two of them, and the rest have all started their individual "hero journeys" to becoming super-powered bad-asses. It's also safe to assume at this point that most secondary characters who are immediately likeable and not imminently tragic -Samwell, Brienne, Jaime, Podrick, a few others- will at least survive to the last book. If a character's personal story doesn't seem like it's over yet, you can generally assume it isn't. If it doesn't seem like there's anywhere Martin can go with the character from where he's gotten them, then that character is probably going to die.

What confuses folks about the Song of Ice and Fire series, I think, is that people seem to think if you get a few POV chapters, then you're a main character. That isn't the case. He starts each book with the POV chapter of someone who dies to make this point. The main characters are the people who got spirit-animals, plus Eddard, but he's only for the first book. Everyone else is secondary to the action and to the plot; the only one's who aren't -like the Spider- do everything they do "off-camera" to emphasize that they aren't main characters even though they're driving the story.

Frankly, I enjoy his willingness to off secondary characters, put main characters in dangerous situations and, in the case of Robb, follow the logic of his decisions to its inevitable conclusion. The only complaint I have about the series plot-wise is Jon's alienation of Ghost in the most recent book. What is great about this series is that the action seems to flow naturally from the characters he has built and the situations they've found themselves in, but Jon's treatment of Ghost in that book just felt out of character and forced to push along the story. However, it really should be clear to anyone that's read book one and two who the protagonists are and where this story is going.
 
2012-01-30 03:39:42 PM  

sprawl15: Jake Havechek: I'm just saying, it's a plot hole

What is? You've said the world is at war, and knights make more money plundering than hanging out at home. You've also not managed to come up with a reason why hanging out at court (or wherever) would somehow bring in less money than hanging out at home.


"Hangers on" are usually at court to curry favor and kiss the monarch's ass. Monarchs are more likely to reward those for valor in battle by granting more land to them, or titling them if they have not been already. Cash(or hard currency) is always short, even in GRRM's world, and monarchs are loath to give even a tiny bit of money away, unless it goes directly into buying more war materials.
 
2012-01-30 03:41:25 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: Sansa is the worst though. How can anyone really believe she will live up to the role, especially given that in Book 4 GRRM has been hinting that she is going to become much more proactive and mature?


By the time they get around to filming book 4 the actress is going to be like 25.
 
2012-01-30 03:43:23 PM  

Jake Havechek: sprawl15: Jake Havechek: I'm just saying, it's a plot hole

What is? You've said the world is at war, and knights make more money plundering than hanging out at home. You've also not managed to come up with a reason why hanging out at court (or wherever) would somehow bring in less money than hanging out at home.

"Hangers on" are usually at court to curry favor and kiss the monarch's ass. Monarchs are more likely to reward those for valor in battle by granting more land to them, or titling them if they have not been already. Cash(or hard currency) is always short, even in GRRM's world, and monarchs are loath to give even a tiny bit of money away, unless it goes directly into buying more war materials.


What the fark are you babbling about?
 
2012-01-30 03:44:35 PM  

Heron: This post will have spoilers. Do not read it if you don't want them.


Dude, isn't the main criticism AND biggest warning of SoIaF ALSO the biggest spoiler? Everyone except Tyrion, Daenerys and Jon Snow are expendable. That's pretty much what anyone warns anyone before suggesting they read the series.
 
2012-01-30 03:49:25 PM  

sprawl15: Jake Havechek: sprawl15: Jake Havechek: I'm just saying, it's a plot hole

What is? You've said the world is at war, and knights make more money plundering than hanging out at home. You've also not managed to come up with a reason why hanging out at court (or wherever) would somehow bring in less money than hanging out at home.

"Hangers on" are usually at court to curry favor and kiss the monarch's ass. Monarchs are more likely to reward those for valor in battle by granting more land to them, or titling them if they have not been already. Cash(or hard currency) is always short, even in GRRM's world, and monarchs are loath to give even a tiny bit of money away, unless it goes directly into buying more war materials.

What the fark are you babbling about?


Never mind. Go tongue fark a pelican, bud.
 
2012-01-30 03:49:46 PM  

ilikestuff: Read all the books. The show is so much better.

The further into the story I got, the less I was interested in learning about new characters. I basically browsed through any Victarion chapters until a familiar reference caught my eye. And did Brienne really just get a 1 paragraph mention in the 5th book or did I imagine that? GRRM obviously writes with the goal of driving his readers to anger/frustration. "Hah...this will just drive them NUTS....."

/will read book 6


This.

It is so much better as a tv series. Someone actually has to edit down the mess.

The writing isn't very good, but the stories are unlike a lot of other fantasy schlock.

/I have read all five books now. I will read the next one.
 
2012-01-30 03:51:48 PM  

Jake Havechek: sprawl15: Jake Havechek: sprawl15: Jake Havechek: I'm just saying, it's a plot hole

What is? You've said the world is at war, and knights make more money plundering than hanging out at home. You've also not managed to come up with a reason why hanging out at court (or wherever) would somehow bring in less money than hanging out at home.

"Hangers on" are usually at court to curry favor and kiss the monarch's ass. Monarchs are more likely to reward those for valor in battle by granting more land to them, or titling them if they have not been already. Cash(or hard currency) is always short, even in GRRM's world, and monarchs are loath to give even a tiny bit of money away, unless it goes directly into buying more war materials.

What the fark are you babbling about?

Never mind. Go tongue fark a pelican, bud.


So you have no idea either, eh?
 
2012-01-30 03:53:52 PM  
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2012-01-30 03:55:04 PM  

Heron: This is a pretty tired complaint about Martin...


Dude, did you even read my goofy-ass post?
 
2012-01-30 03:56:18 PM  

Madbassist1: Come up with your own shiat. No one likes people who ride coattails, loser.


Welcome to my favorites list, jackass.
 
2012-01-30 03:57:32 PM  
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2012-01-30 03:58:06 PM  

Handsome B. Wonderful: Seth'n'Spectrum: Sansa is the worst though. How can anyone really believe she will live up to the role, especially given that in Book 4 GRRM has been hinting that she is going to become much more proactive and mature?

By the time they get around to filming book 4 the actress is going to be like 25.


Actually, I meant mature as in level-headed and aware of what's going on.
 
2012-01-30 04:13:06 PM  

Jake Havechek: I'm just saying, it's a plot hole, and maybe Ren Faire folk will let it slide but as a different (or parallel world) that is at the Medieval level of development, some of it doesn't make logical sense.


You seem to be letting a lack of perfect realism destroy your enjoyment of a work of fiction. Does the way the hedge knights operate make sense within the world the author has constructed? Because those are the only rules that apply in a fantasy story.
 
2012-01-30 04:16:08 PM  
Looks great. But I don't know how anyone who hasn't read the books has any idea what is going on. My roommate tried to watch with me and she just flat out thought it was boring.
 
2012-01-30 04:19:54 PM  

orclover: 9beers: Having never read the books, I'm guessing that half of the people we see in the teaser will be dead by the end of the season.

Hopefully Joffrey is one of them, that little prick needs to die so badly.
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DONT get attached to ANYBODY............ANYBODY!!!

"oh but that kid is so great or that guy who is so heroic an"ANYBODY!!!

/for those who have red the books, RED WEDDING. Oh god.


I add or ANYTHING to this. Objects. Pets. Places.
 
2012-01-30 04:23:53 PM  

brigid_fitch: homarjr: I hate these threads.

I'd love to talk about GoT, but people who have read the books feel the desire to play spoiler way too much.

I don't understand that. Game of Thrones is a 15-yo book. Just how long do people expect the "No Spoilers" rule to remain in effect? I only started reading the series last winter and kept tripping across spoilers. Didn't ruin it for me.


art.penny-arcade.com
 
2012-01-30 04:33:06 PM  

quilan: brigid_fitch: homarjr: I hate these threads.

I'd love to talk about GoT, but people who have read the books feel the desire to play spoiler way too much.

I don't understand that. Game of Thrones is a 15-yo book. Just how long do people expect the "No Spoilers" rule to remain in effect? I only started reading the series last winter and kept tripping across spoilers. Didn't ruin it for me.

[art.penny-arcade.com image 640x325]


art.penny-arcade.com

/oblig
 
2012-01-30 04:41:13 PM  

dragonchild: Heron: This post will have spoilers. Do not read it if you don't want them.

Dude, isn't the main criticism AND biggest warning of SoIaF ALSO the biggest spoiler? Everyone except Tyrion, Daenerys and Jon Snow are expendable. That's pretty much what anyone warns anyone before suggesting they read the series.


Well, we're still waiting to find out about one of those three.

I've read fantasy series where they've killed off a ton of main characters before, so I don't care so much about that. What gets me is the sheer amount of death that happens in general. Between war, famine, war, widespread pillaging/poverty, war, disease, and more war it seems like the population of Westeros should be a third of what it was to start out with. I mean the Others don't need to do shiat at this rate, except wait.
 
2012-01-30 04:51:25 PM  

bassmonkeee: ilikestuff: mekkab: ilikestuff: And did Brienne really just get a 1 paragraph mention in the 5th book or did I imagine that?

... Isn't so sure you really READ book 4, then.

Spoilers:

Apparently, you missed a chapter in Book 4...


yep. He sure did.
 
2012-01-30 04:54:47 PM  

Robert1966: [27.media.tumblr.com image 500x281]


it's like two great tastes that taste great together!



/Is now in the mood for some dornish fire wine and hot ham water...
 
2012-01-30 04:54:49 PM  

MorePeasPlease: Madbassist1: Come up with your own shiat. No one likes people who ride coattails, loser.

Welcome to my favorites list, jackass.


Likewise ;)
 
2012-01-30 05:02:55 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: I've read fantasy series where they've killed off a ton of main characters before, so I don't care so much about that. What gets me is the sheer amount of death that happens in general. Between war, famine, war, widespread pillaging/poverty, war, disease, and more war it seems like the population of Westeros should be a third of what it was to start out with. I mean the Others don't need to do shiat at this rate, except wait.


I'm glad Im not alone in feeling this. Just starting the fifth book but right now if feels like they are all farked. Not just the individual people but the whole of Westeros. They've burned or destroyed every ounce of food and a recorded setting winter is falling on them. Hell the poor fools dont even know what is crawling over the Wall right now!

I'm so glad this thread is happening today. I need to share how funny this was and I'm way ahead of my wife in the books.....

Today I was reading while eating lunch (normal for me) and I couldn't wait to find out what happened to Tyrion! First line "He drank his way across the narrow sea". I actually giggled. How perfect an opener is that?!?
 
2012-01-30 05:11:03 PM  
hi, if you can't get more than 30 pages into SoIaF you should not be reading books *disappears into a cloud of gay smoke*
 
2012-01-30 05:18:33 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: Between war, famine, war, widespread pillaging/poverty, war, disease, and more war it seems like the population of Westeros should be a third of what it was to start out with.


Unlike European history, which never had periods of intense war, famine, disease, pillaging, and poverty
 
2012-01-30 05:18:59 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Just starting the fifth book


*high five* I'm maybe 60 pages ahead of you.

/I hope to finish by June.
//I read mostly at night and usually it's just a few lines before I head off to the land of nod
 
2012-01-30 05:21:51 PM  

mekkab: //I read mostly at night and usually it's just a few lines before I head off to the land of nod


Get a Kindle. I always have it on me and you would not believe how many times a day I get to break it out. That's how I am about to read the books faster than my wife.
 
2012-01-30 05:25:09 PM  
I thought about posting a 'joke' spoiler but then I realized I could just post a real one and nobody would believe it.

So I'll just leave this here. Tyrion & the dog and piggy show. Cannot wait to see how Dinklage handles that scene.
 
2012-01-30 05:34:11 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: What gets me is the sheer amount of death that happens in general. Between war, famine, war, widespread pillaging/poverty, war, disease, and more war it seems like the population of Westeros should be a third of what it was to start out with. I mean the Others don't need to do shiat at this rate, except wait.


Yeah, it's basically "The Romance of the Three Kingdoms" on steriods. And, you're right. TRotTK was based on the Three Kingdoms era of Chinese history. And when that era ended, the census reported a massive drop in population -- as much as two-thirds of the population had either died or emigrated. Too much focus on the former, BTW. There's something to be said for weaving a tangled web, but after a while, sane people go "fark it" and either leave or hunker down to form an autonomous region.
 
2012-01-30 05:37:28 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They've burned or destroyed every ounce of food and a recorded setting winter is falling on them. Hell the poor fools dont even know what is crawling over the Wall right now!


The epic has set itself up for the most disappointing deus ex machina ending since the Battlestar Galactica reboot TV series, as GRRM has basically farked up Westeros to the point where it's too depleted and dysfunctional to make any successful resistance to the Others allow suspension of disbelief.
 
2012-01-30 05:48:17 PM  

lilplatinum: Lumbar Puncture: Between war, famine, war, widespread pillaging/poverty, war, disease, and more war it seems like the population of Westeros should be a third of what it was to start out with.

Unlike European history, which never had periods of intense war, famine, disease, pillaging, and poverty


Well they certainly didn't have Others, Dragons, people who could do magic, and Winters that last so long they need capital letters. Unless there's a really biatchin period of history they forgot to teach.

I mean, maybe I wasn't all that clear, but it doesn't seem strange in the context of the books, and the world that the books lie in and not within the context of Europeon history? I get he's drawing inspiration from that time period, but at the rate he's going, with Winter finally here, Westeros is going to have 20 people left by the 7th book. Well, except for Dorne. By the time Dany gets over there the Others will have already turned it into Necro Fun World.
 
2012-01-30 05:48:19 PM  

dragonchild: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They've burned or destroyed every ounce of food and a recorded setting winter is falling on them. Hell the poor fools dont even know what is crawling over the Wall right now!

The epic has set itself up for the most disappointing deus ex machina ending since the Battlestar Galactica reboot TV series, as GRRM has basically farked up Westeros to the point where it's too depleted and dysfunctional to make any successful resistance to the Others allow suspension of disbelief.


I know, there's no way Westeros could battle the ice monsters without some kind of fire-shooting weapon... and I don't remember reading about anything like that.
 
2012-01-30 05:50:38 PM  
Okay, someone posted in another SoIaF thread earlier a link to a website that keeps up with each character's progression in the story, plot by book, and all that good stuff. Does anyone know what site that is?

It's been a while since I've read any of them and need a refresher.
 
2012-01-30 05:50:54 PM  

Hoboclown: some kind of fire-shooting weapon...


a dragon? Green-flame catapult?

/there are ways, dude. Believe me, you don't want to know!
 
2012-01-30 05:52:18 PM  

Jake Havechek: Hedge knights: no equivalent in feudal systems, you can't be ennobled and yet owe nobody allegience


If you mentally translate "hedge knight" to "ronin", it may help a little...
 
2012-01-30 05:58:29 PM  

homarjr: I hate these threads.

I'd love to talk about GoT, but people who have read the books feel the desire to play spoiler way too much.


God you aren't kidding. I was at work with Book #3 on my desk and some guy walked by and noticed it. He was like OMG did you hear about the end of Book #5? I had to almost physically shut him up. WTF people. Why do you need to tell everyone the end of everything? Do you think you win a prize?

/still bitter about that guy in 7th grade who blurted out "Darth Vader dies" the day after Return of the Jedi came out
 
2012-01-30 06:03:18 PM  

mekkab: a dragon? Green-flame catapult?

/there are ways, dude. Believe me, you don't want to know!




Clever.
 
2012-01-30 06:07:41 PM  

Confabulat: God you aren't kidding. I was at work with Book #3 on my desk and some guy walked by and noticed it. He was like OMG did you hear about the end of Book #5?


He spoiled Tyrion slaying Dany's dragons?!!!!

Where did you dispose of the body?
 
2012-01-30 06:22:11 PM  

Detinwolf: Hoboclown: homarjr: I hate these threads.

I'd love to talk about GoT, but people who have read the books feel the desire to play spoiler way too much.

So... read the books?

Well, read the first three and then stop.

The strategy of reading the first three and stopping has worked for me. I've heard nothing but poor reviews of books 4 and 5.


4 was just...okay. Not as good as the first 3 but okay. 5...ugh. Dragged myself through that one. Except for the Onion Knight and Bran's chapters, it was just awful. At this point, I'd be happy if Tyrion dies. Seriously, it's that bad.
 
2012-01-30 06:23:14 PM  

Hoboclown: I know, there's no way Westeros could battle the ice monsters without some kind of fire-shooting weapon... and I don't remember reading about anything like that.


mekkab: /there are ways, dude. Believe me, you don't want to know!


If you introduce that sort of X-factor at this point it would still feel like a letdown, because the books at this point have dedicated the vast majority of words establishing that a unified, organized resistance is all but impossible.

Since pretty much every epic that followed it is compared to LotR, which by itself get shiat on for being slow and plodding, let me do so here. It was established in LotR that Middle-Earth had declined from a peak of stability and nauseating elven-y goodness in its distant past, and the current Middle-Earth wasn't exactly functional. Gondor was impotent, Rohan was corrupted, Ents were asleep, dwarves hated everyone, elves hated everyone too but it's OK because they're elves. The outlying nations were oblivious (the Shire), cursed or even on Mordor's side. But as the plot progressed, a lot of these issues were resolved, turning the bickering, weakened states into some functional, if patchwork, de facto alliance. It wasn't pretty or all that coordinated, but Lothlorien, Rivendell, Rohan, the Ents and Gondor all mobilized against Mordor and its allies. That's some substantial military power, and even then it was just to buy time for Gandalf's gamble and almost wasn't enough. For all the glaring flaws in JRRT's writing, THAT is how you build up an epic, and it's been the gold standard since. Mordor's power was established in that it could corrupt a great wizard and cause the proudest kingdoms of Middle-Earth to buckle with despair merely by imposing its will. If Gondor had a "Red Wedding" I get the feeling Sauron wouldn't even need the effin' Ring; against such a joke of bickering nations, the rate at which his armies overwhelmed Middle-Earth would only be limited by how fast they could travel.

At this point in SoIaF, who's the Gandalf? Who's been busy successfully rallying these bickering nations against the Others? Who's been purging kingdoms of corruption and impotence just in time to face the real threat? Even if they had green-flame catapults, does anyone expect any nation to save its ammo for the Others when they're just itching to use them on each other?

Therein lies a conundrum. At this point, any weapon that could save Westeros from the Others is also a means of mutual assured destruction with little established sense of political restraint. I suppose Daenerys could eventually sweep in and single-handedly defeat the Others, but that would basically make about 90% of the epic a completely pointless exercise.
 
2012-01-30 06:25:16 PM  

nopokerface: I get annoyed by much and more of his writing devices.


I read the first four books last year and that wore me down by the time I reached book 4. It made getting through that book, which wasn't that great, that much harder.

/still haven't read book 5
//waiting for it on paperback
///cheap bastard.
 
2012-01-30 07:09:52 PM  

slimkibbles: nopokerface: I get annoyed by much and more of his writing devices.

I read the first four books last year and that wore me down by the time I reached book 4. It made getting through that book, which wasn't that great, that much harder.

/still haven't read book 5
//waiting for it on paperback
///cheap bastard.


Why not try a used book store, or Amazon used books, or a library?

I get loads of books at my local used book place.
 
2012-01-30 07:19:15 PM  

alwaysjaded: Considering Tyrion's new role in this part of the story and how much Dinklage knocked it out of the park in the first season, should they go ahead and award the best supporting actor?


FTFY.

As was said previously, it would be a crime if they didn't put him forward for best actor. This book (as well as good portions of the subsequent ones), really showcase Tyrion.
 
2012-01-30 07:24:14 PM  

Jake Havechek: My problems with the books:

"He was 4 and 20 years old" Just say 24 for fark's sake

Hedge knights: no equivalent in feudal systems, you can't be ennobled and yet owe nobody allegience

regular knights: where are these knights getting their income from? If they are lords of some villages, they never seem to go there, and there is a complete absence of an earl or baron class, everybody seems to answer to the king.

Enameled armor: errrr........no.


Both wrong and irrelevant.
In the case of irrelevant, his ideas take place in his own world and do not have any need whatsoever to conform to our real-world examples.
In the case of wrong, there are actual real-world equivalents especially in China and Japan.
Japan in particular has guys like Yamamoto Kansuke (who started off unaffilated and wound up in Kai) and Miyamoto Musashi and later even more outrageous characters like Sakamoto Ryoma (who decided that being a Kashi for Tosa was boring and decided to create his own navy) and we're not even starting to talk about ronin or the Shinsengumi or Saito Musashibo Benkei.

Just because his hedge knights do not fit within your narrow concepts of european chivalry does not mean that the concepts themselves are invalid, just your idea that a fantasy world needs to conform to them.
 
2012-01-30 07:27:34 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: lilplatinum: Lumbar Puncture: Between war, famine, war, widespread pillaging/poverty, war, disease, and more war it seems like the population of Westeros should be a third of what it was to start out with.

Unlike European history, which never had periods of intense war, famine, disease, pillaging, and poverty

Well they certainly didn't have Others, Dragons, people who could do magic, and Winters that last so long they need capital letters. Unless there's a really biatchin period of history they forgot to teach.

I mean, maybe I wasn't all that clear, but it doesn't seem strange in the context of the books, and the world that the books lie in and not within the context of Europeon history? I get he's drawing inspiration from that time period, but at the rate he's going, with Winter finally here, Westeros is going to have 20 people left by the 7th book. Well, except for Dorne. By the time Dany gets over there the Others will have already turned it into Necro Fun World.


The only thing that is hard to suspend disbelief in is the winters, the others have been a non factor in the death toll so at the moment its just typical butchery that happened all over the world during periods of large wars.

Winters that last years might be harder, even with a summer that lasts a decade it might be hard to store food everywhere, but also I assume a lot is supplemented with trade from across the seas and such since theres no indication that winter happens everywhere (but who knows).

I think its worse in Wheel of Time, it went from sweltering drought to horrible winter and food is spoiling left and right, how are people not eating each other yet..
 
2012-01-30 07:28:55 PM  

9beers: GameSprocket: The free HBO that we were getting to make up for poor service has just expired. I will be sad in April when I don't get to watch.

Sidereel.com is an awesome site and has links up to new episodes of any show withing minutes of them airing. There are also places that will live stream the episode but those links are harder to find.


Biratepay.org

/I don't have HBO
 
2012-01-30 07:30:44 PM  

dragonchild: At this point in SoIaF, who's the Gandalf? Who's been busy successfully rallying these bickering nations against the Others? Who's been purging kingdoms of corruption and impotence just in time to face the real threat? Even if they had green-flame catapults, does anyone expect any nation to save its ammo for the Others when they're just itching to use them on each other?


The point is that you don't need the stark black and white good wizard vs bad wizard to make a story work.

For all of GRRM's flaws as an author (and they are numerous), it is infinitely better than the overly simplistic (from a narrative point of view, JRRT had plenty of useless arcane detail on his mythos) tedious *i'm about to break into an annoying song* "epic" about walking somewhere.
 
2012-01-30 07:40:25 PM  
The books are so much better simply because you can get into the heads of characters a bit more. The show also left out some interesting stuff.
 
2012-01-30 07:48:28 PM  

lilplatinum: Lumbar Puncture: lilplatinum: Lumbar Puncture: Between war, famine, war, widespread pillaging/poverty, war, disease, and more war it seems like the population of Westeros should be a third of what it was to start out with.

Unlike European history, which never had periods of intense war, famine, disease, pillaging, and poverty

Well they certainly didn't have Others, Dragons, people who could do magic, and Winters that last so long they need capital letters. Unless there's a really biatchin period of history they forgot to teach.

I mean, maybe I wasn't all that clear, but it doesn't seem strange in the context of the books, and the world that the books lie in and not within the context of Europeon history? I get he's drawing inspiration from that time period, but at the rate he's going, with Winter finally here, Westeros is going to have 20 people left by the 7th book. Well, except for Dorne. By the time Dany gets over there the Others will have already turned it into Necro Fun World.

The only thing that is hard to suspend disbelief in is the winters, the others have been a non factor in the death toll so at the moment its just typical butchery that happened all over the world during periods of large wars.

Winters that last years might be harder, even with a summer that lasts a decade it might be hard to store food everywhere, but also I assume a lot is supplemented with trade from across the seas and such since theres no indication that winter happens everywhere (but who knows).

I think its worse in Wheel of Time, it went from sweltering drought to horrible winter and food is spoiling left and right, how are people not eating each other yet..


The Wheel didn't will it. The siege of Leningrad lasted almost three years, but most of the people in the city still lived.
 
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