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2012-01-29 06:56:20 PM
Horrible pictures. Best wishes to all families involved.
 
2012-01-29 07:05:46 PM
giant robot alien attack. The government is just keeping it under wraps.
 
2012-01-29 07:15:36 PM
The screenplay will be making the rounds in Hollywood by 10 AM tomorrow.
 
2012-01-29 07:49:12 PM
I blame Michael Bay.
 
2012-01-29 07:50:02 PM
great, now we can look forward to ANOTHER Final Destination sequel...

/not that I actually mind.. I love those movies...
 
2012-01-29 07:50:04 PM
Sorry, I ate fidels today. My bad, I didn't think it would affect Florida though
 
2012-01-29 07:53:48 PM
Geez... Good thoughts going out to all involved.

/Final Destination came to mind for me, too.
//Not proud.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-01-29 07:54:42 PM
That's more of a California style accident than a Florida accident. Every few years there's fog in the central valley and visibility goes from perfect to where's-my-hood? in moments as drivers enter a fogbank. Drivers entering fog at speed get some blame here.

Rarely we have big chain reaction wrecks in New England. Unlike California's fog and Florida's smoke, ours are caused by sudden snow squalls that you can't anticipate.

Fog banks over New England roads almost always have at least 200 feet visibility.
 
2012-01-29 07:54:54 PM
"Man this smoke and fog is heavy"
"Honey, maybe we should slow down"
"Don't worry, I've got it under control"
 
2012-01-29 07:56:51 PM
"We just hit it, and you couldn't see anything," said Henry

That's the way they roll in Florida.
 
2012-01-29 07:58:07 PM

Lone Stranger: "We just hit it, and you couldn't see anything," said Henry

That's the way they roll in Florida.


you mean, Floriduh?
 
2012-01-29 08:03:50 PM
LA Times must have flown somebody cross-country to cover this.
 
2012-01-29 08:05:25 PM
Flordia, worst drivers period.

And thats coming from a Masshole.

It rains and you'll go by 15 cars in the ditch because they were still going 90mph thinking everything would work out swell.
 
2012-01-29 08:05:45 PM
I don't mean to contradict Subby, but to me it looks like something out of a good disaster movie.
 
2012-01-29 08:07:29 PM
Pics 2 and 3 are of a UPS double trailer. I wonder if the UPS tracker has 'package destroyed in freeway inferno' as a status.
 
2012-01-29 08:07:49 PM
A few years ago we had 230some pile up in southern California. Don't think anyone was hurt seriously.

Its kind of weird, I remember seeing the fog roll in like something out of a horror story, one minute it's clear, the next miuet you can't see for shiat: if you can't see for shiat- slow down or pull off the road.
 
2012-01-29 08:07:54 PM
Ad placement fail...

i41.tinypic.com
 
2012-01-29 08:09:29 PM
Why am I not surprised the media blames the fog and smoke, but not the motorists driving too fast and following too closely for the conditions?
 
2012-01-29 08:10:50 PM

fregniacciaro: Ad placement fail...


win
 
2012-01-29 08:12:32 PM
This happened a few weeks ago also in the New Orleans area on I-10 near the Michoud exit. A stubborn marsh fire that could not be extinguished underground created a bank of smoke that crossed I-10 westbound. I believe it was foggy that morning also. The witnesses said that as soon as they entered the smoke, it was too late. I think about 40 vehicles were involved.

Link (accident video)

cache.comcorpusa.com
 
2012-01-29 08:14:05 PM

Darth_Lukecash: A few years ago we had 230some pile up in southern California. Don't think anyone was hurt seriously.

Its kind of weird, I remember seeing the fog roll in like something out of a horror story, one minute it's clear, the next miuet you can't see for shiat: if you can't see for shiat- slow down or pull off the road.


Tule fog (new window) is a biatch. Driving along and every is clear, and then wham, zero visibility.
 
2012-01-29 08:18:19 PM

TyrantII: Flordia, worst drivers period.

And thats coming from a Masshole.

It rains and you'll go by 15 cars in the ditch because they were still going 90mph thinking everything would work out swell.


No, no, no.
When it rains in Florida every idiot slows down to 25 miles an hour on I-95 and puts their hazard lights on.
You know hazard lights, the double blinker thingy that is only supposed to be used when a vehicle is STOPPED.
 
2012-01-29 08:19:02 PM
Whoa. I live within a few miles of this accident, and I'm just hearing about this on Fark?
 
2012-01-29 08:20:26 PM
I guess I don't understand... if you are going so fast that you can't see a wall of smoke ahead in time to slow down for it, you're going too fast, right? If you can't see at all, even after you slow down, you should pull as far off the road as you can get and wait it out, right? Am I right, or am I missing an obvious driving strategy here?
 
2012-01-29 08:21:09 PM
10 dead...thats awful. Driving in dense fog is no joke..I was driving between Amherst and South Hadley one night and (stupidly) entered a dense fog in the mountains...I couldn't see the road at all...could barely see the end of the hood. I couldn't tell if I was on the right side of the road or whether I was even facing the right way. My lights made the fog glow around me and I couldn't even tell if anyone was coming. I didn't want to drive off the cliff on the other side of the road so I crept along at 2 mph until I got out of it. Bizarre experience, creeping along in fog, occasionally getting glimpse of the road and mountain when the wind would make the fog shift. Thank god no one else was on the road.
 
2012-01-29 08:21:18 PM
www.horrorsociety.com

I don't know what happened to Gainesville tonight. Something came out of the fog and tried to destroy us. In one moment, it vanished. But if this has been anything but a nightmare, and if we don't wake up to find ourselves safe in our beds, it could come again. To the cars on the highway who can hear my voice, look across the road, into the darkness. Look for the fog.
 
2012-01-29 08:21:27 PM
Why didn't the TSA prevent this terrible tragedy?
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-01-29 08:21:39 PM

Roook: giant robot alien attack. The government is just keeping it under wraps.


I read on FreeRepublican.com that the giant robots protect Obama's Kenyan birth certificate.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-01-29 08:21:50 PM
A Gentile in Boca

In the Northeast driving slowly on a fast highway is considered a good time to use flashers. I have seen signs saying "use flashers below 40 mph". The Pennsylvania driver's manual specifically says you should do this.
 
2012-01-29 08:22:31 PM

TwowheelinTim: Why am I not surprised the media blames the fog and smoke, but not the motorists driving too fast and following too closely for the conditions?


There is some to blame on the drivers. From the look of things, it seems that semi drivers who should know better, rolled over a few cars.
 
2012-01-29 08:22:48 PM

See My Az Go: Whoa. I live within a few miles of this accident, and I'm just hearing about this on Fark?


Me too. I was outside last night, and I noticed the smoke. I was wondering where the wildfires were.
 
2012-01-29 08:23:39 PM

ultraholland: I blame Michael Bay.


KABOOM! FLORDASPLOSIONS!!!
 
2012-01-29 08:23:51 PM
I was in a pile-up that was caused by a sudden snow burst. Visibility was bad and the road quickly became covered in slush. I was going slow already but when I came over a slight hill I saw that there were cars stopped on the highway. Even though I had about a quarter mile to stop I was still going at a good clip and about to smash into them. Fortunately I was able to steer the car up the side of a grassy embankment without hitting anyone.

After that it was a nightmare as cars that were going 60 or even 70 came up that same hill and started smashing into the wall of cars I had just missed myself. It was just a cacophony of crashes and honking and screaming. I was halfway sure a truck was going to come barreling out of the fog and come right at us. Fortunately, that didn't happen, but there many other cars flying up the same embankment all around me and my wife.

I saw one woman run from her vehicle across 4 lanes of traffic. She was so close to getting hit at one point. I'm pretty sure it would have been fatal considering the speed of the car and the fact she would have been run over by other cars. Luckily she got out of there OK.

I'm not sure what the best strategy is in a pile-up, but I told my wife to stay in the car and as the traffic was coming from behind us, I told her to keep her head against the back of her seat in case we got rear-ended. That was definitely the longest few minutes of my life, just waiting to for that truck to come roaring out of the fog.
Amazingly in the end we didn't even get a scratch on our car but we were stuck there for over an hour as the emergency crews tended to the injured and started clearing out the cars that were totaled. When we got home we watched the news about the pile ups. Apparently there were 3 others around the city that day and ours was actually one of the less severe ones.

For anyone who's curious, I would say that when weather is bad or there is limited visibility the best thing is to slow down. Put on your four-ways and don't hesitate to pull over if you think its getting dangerous. Speeding in bad weather/visibility situations is amazingly stupid as you are endangering your life and those around you. If you do get in a pile-up, stay calm and try not to make rash decisions. Sometimes staying put is a good idea as cars are designed to protect people. Of course, sometimes fleeing is better but don't just go running or you might end up like the lady who nearly got clipped. Wait and watch, have your path planned out.

TL;DR - snow, pile-up, super lucky, no damage, drive slow in snow, thank you
 
2012-01-29 08:23:58 PM

TyrantII: Flordia, worst drivers period.

And thats coming from a Masshole.

It rains and you'll go by 15 cars in the ditch because they were still going 90mph thinking everything would work out swell.


Yup. Former Florida resident here, and I can attest to that. Not only does FL have a huge supply of ready-made bad drivers, they attract a huge number of bad drivers from other states, driving rental cars they aren't familiar with. And yes, people do continue merrily zooming along when they hit pea-soup fog, muckfire smoke or monsoon-like rainstorms that are literally blinding in effect. I think one issue may be that everything in Florida is so far separated from everything else that people don't want to get stuck on a stretch of interstate or state road that's hours away from any kind of civilization, so they just plod on. Many's the time I've pulled over to the side to wait out blinding fog, rain and/or smoke. Bad conditions + bad drivers = bad news.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-01-29 08:26:38 PM
ecor1

What road between Amherst and South Hadley has a cliff on one side? My memory says Route 116 has guard rail where needed.

I have never seen fog like you describe.

The foggiest season I can remember was January, 1995 when warm air over cold ground resulted in a week of fog. Visibility was consistent, low enough to slow you a little but I never ran into a denser fog bank that I had to crawl through.
 
2012-01-29 08:26:48 PM

puffy999: Horrible pictures. Best wishes to all families involved.


The one with the pickup resting on top of the sedan, both of them burned-out shells ... *shudders*
 
2012-01-29 08:32:10 PM

TwowheelinTim: Why am I not surprised the media blames the fog and smoke, but not the motorists driving too fast and following too closely for the conditions?


Why am I not surprised that some ignoramus is blaming "the media" for comments attributed to Florida state troopers?
 
2012-01-29 08:33:57 PM

Man On Pink Corner: I guess I don't understand... if you are going so fast that you can't see a wall of smoke ahead in time to slow down for it, you're going too fast, right? If you can't see at all, even after you slow down, you should pull as far off the road as you can get and wait it out, right? Am I right, or am I missing an obvious driving strategy here?


The problem is that fog/smoke density is variable on flat lands. I've been in fog where viability is 50 yards, suddenly go down to 50 feet for about ten seconds then clear up instantly.

And if you don't want to risk parking for fear someone may hit you from behind(as it looks like happened to the pick up truck )
 
2012-01-29 08:34:53 PM
Hm, maybe it wasn't Amherst I was coming from, it may have been Northhampton. I can't remember. I don't think I was on 116.

I didn't see those low freezing fogs very often, but they showed up in the winter in the mountains and always late at night. I think the incident I was describing above was at 2-3 am.

I was there in 1995 but I can't remember exactly when the fog thing happened.
 
2012-01-29 08:37:56 PM

Man On Pink Corner: I guess I don't understand... if you are going so fast that you can't see a wall of smoke ahead in time to slow down for it, you're going too fast, right? If you can't see at all, even after you slow down, you should pull as far off the road as you can get and wait it out, right? Am I right, or am I missing an obvious driving strategy here?


A large part of the problem is differential slowing of the vehicles involved.

Looks a little hazy ahead, better ease up on the accelerator a bit, whoa, WTF? I can't see a damned thing! (Slow way down.)

Guy behind you slows, too, but not as much. BOOM.

Or, guy in front of you panics and slams on the brakes, rather than just easing up a bit. You can't see him; you ease up a bit. BANG!

It's really easy for a given number of cars on a given stretch of road to turn into a total clusterf*ck when they're suddenly stopping/slowing at different rates. Especially when any of them is a tractor-trailer rig.
 
2012-01-29 08:39:11 PM

medius: LA Times must have flown somebody cross-country to cover this.


Look at the byline. It's an AP story.

(that's the joke?)
 
2012-01-29 08:42:09 PM
Michael Bay taking notes.
 
2012-01-29 08:44:40 PM

ecor1: Hm, maybe it wasn't Amherst I was coming from, it may have been Northhampton. I can't remember. I don't think I was on 116.

I didn't see those low freezing fogs very often, but they showed up in the winter in the mountains and always late at night. I think the incident I was describing above was at 2-3 am.

I was there in 1995 but I can't remember exactly when the fog thing happened.


It can get a little treacherous between Amherst and Mt Holyoke...

You think that's bad, don't roll up towards Burlington in the wee hours
 
2012-01-29 08:44:42 PM
There are three or four places along that stretch of I75 that happens. You'll be rocking along and then just hit a 1/2 mile long fog bank. If you are warned ahead of time, you just take the next exit and wait it out.
 
2012-01-29 08:48:04 PM
The main problem is if there are 5 drivers on the road they will use 5 different strategies Training for harsh conditions is bleak at best. Does not work!
 
2012-01-29 08:49:05 PM
That stretch of road can get really foggy without much warning (it's in a shallow bowl, so the fog really hangs there). I've driven it early in the morning many times, and it doesn't look so bad from a distance, but once you're in it it gets thick fast. This happened in darkness, at least the first part of it did, so you wouldn't have been able to see the fog and smoke ahead. Then, if people start putting their hazard lights on and suddenly slowing down it can get really disorienting. And of course, people are going 75 or 80 mph when they hit that stuff, and they're following about 2 or 3 car lengths, if you're lucky, from the car ahead of them.
I drive on I-75 a lot, and it scares me sometimes.
One of the worst times was when a sudden very heavy downpour developed, and just about everyone put on their hazard lights, but they never pull over, so you don't know if the guy with hazards on are stopped or moving. I hate that. There were so many people around me with hazards flashing that I literally lost my bearings and my head felt like it was spinning.
I just went out to get some dinner and drove under the freeway,the southbound lanes are still moving at a crawl.
 
2012-01-29 08:51:31 PM

JasonOfOrillia: "Man this smoke and fog is heavy"
"Honey, maybe we should slow down"
"Don't worry, I've got it under control"


That's been proven. People tend to actually speed up in fog.
 
2012-01-29 08:52:56 PM

bowtiesheep: ecor1: Hm, maybe it wasn't Amherst I was coming from, it may have been Northhampton. I can't remember. I don't think I was on 116.

I didn't see those low freezing fogs very often, but they showed up in the winter in the mountains and always late at night. I think the incident I was describing above was at 2-3 am.

I was there in 1995 but I can't remember exactly when the fog thing happened.

It can get a little treacherous between Amherst and Mt Holyoke...

You think that's bad, don't roll up towards Burlington in the wee hours


Burlington? VT? Why?

The notch was friggen scary late at night. After a few times driving over it at night I would either go befor it got too late or find someplace to crash and go in the AM. What scared me the most were the locals in their pickups going 90 on the 2 lane mountain roads because they had been doing it since they were 12 or something. If I had space I would usually pull over but sometimes there was no shoulder.
 
2012-01-29 08:54:33 PM

chookbillion: That stretch of road can get really foggy without much warning (it's in a shallow bowl, so the fog really hangs there). I've driven it early in the morning many times, and it doesn't look so bad from a distance, but once you're in it it gets thick fast. This happened in darkness, at least the first part of it did, so you wouldn't have been able to see the fog and smoke ahead. Then, if people start putting their hazard lights on and suddenly slowing down it can get really disorienting. And of course, people are going 75 or 80 mph when they hit that stuff, and they're following about 2 or 3 car lengths, if you're lucky, from the car ahead of them.
I drive on I-75 a lot, and it scares me sometimes.
One of the worst times was when a sudden very heavy downpour developed, and just about everyone put on their hazard lights, but they never pull over, so you don't know if the guy with hazards on are stopped or moving. I hate that. There were so many people around me with hazards flashing that I literally lost my bearings and my head felt like it was spinning.
I just went out to get some dinner and drove under the freeway,the southbound lanes are still moving at a crawl.


Middle or right lane (depends on situation), keep safe distance, keep speed with car in front of you, but don't follow it off the road.
/duh :-)
 
2012-01-29 08:57:16 PM
I've been down thru the section of road, scary situation for sure. Been lucky.
 
2012-01-29 09:00:10 PM

clear_prop: Darth_Lukecash: A few years ago we had 230some pile up in southern California. Don't think anyone was hurt seriously.

Its kind of weird, I remember seeing the fog roll in like something out of a horror story, one minute it's clear, the next miuet you can't see for shiat: if you can't see for shiat- slow down or pull off the road.

Tule fog (new window) is a biatch. Driving along and every is clear, and then wham, zero visibility.


In northern Kentucky I got to experience that while walking to school. I stretched my hand out to see it and nothing! just a shade of a blob of a hand.
I could hear cars going by, though, as I foot-felt my way along the sidewalk.
 
2012-01-29 09:08:07 PM

ecor1: bowtiesheep: ecor1: Hm, maybe it wasn't Amherst I was coming from, it may have been Northhampton. I can't remember. I don't think I was on 116.

I didn't see those low freezing fogs very often, but they showed up in the winter in the mountains and always late at night. I think the incident I was describing above was at 2-3 am.

I was there in 1995 but I can't remember exactly when the fog thing happened.

It can get a little treacherous between Amherst and Mt Holyoke...

You think that's bad, don't roll up towards Burlington in the wee hours

Burlington? VT? Why?

The notch was friggen scary late at night. After a few times driving over it at night I would either go befor it got too late or find someplace to crash and go in the AM. What scared me the most were the locals in their pickups going 90 on the 2 lane mountain roads because they had been doing it since they were 12 or something. If I had space I would usually pull over but sometimes there was no shoulder.


If you stay on 91 up into Vermont you will gets some pretty cool rolling hills, especially closer to Montpelier, but it can make for some nasty surprises in the fog.

Which scooby doo character are you?
 
2012-01-29 09:08:13 PM
i291.photobucket.com

Seriously, condolences to the familes.....
 
2012-01-29 09:09:55 PM

ZAZ: That's more of a California style accident than a Florida accident. Every few years there's fog in the central valley and visibility goes from perfect to where's-my-hood? in moments as drivers enter a fogbank. Drivers entering fog at speed get some blame here.


The worst thing about the Central Valley apart from the heat in the summer. I literally drove from Hanford to Fresno going maybe 30-35 mph. I cannot wait to move!
 
2012-01-29 09:11:02 PM

usernameguy: See My Az Go: Whoa. I live within a few miles of this accident, and I'm just hearing about this on Fark?

Me too. I was outside last night, and I noticed the smoke. I was wondering where the wildfires were.


And me as well. Found out about it online this afternoon.
 
2012-01-29 09:12:10 PM

clear_prop: Pics 2 and 3 are of a UPS double trailer. I wonder if the UPS tracker has 'package destroyed in freeway inferno' as a status.


I just checked on something I ordered from Amazon, it had been saying "departed Gainesville, Fl" now it says "We're sorry. We are unable to retrieve tracking information for this shipment at this time." coincidence I wonder?
 
2012-01-29 09:18:43 PM
cdn100.iofferphoto.com
 
2012-01-29 09:24:44 PM

ZAZ: A Gentile in Boca

In the Northeast driving slowly on a fast highway is considered a good time to use flashers. I have seen signs saying "use flashers below 40 mph". The Pennsylvania driver's manual specifically says you should do this.


The Florida DMV clearly states that it is ILLEGAL to use your hazard lights unless your car is stopped.

I know everything 'up north' is clearly superior but whaddya going to do.
 
2012-01-29 09:24:58 PM

Pribar: clear_prop: Pics 2 and 3 are of a UPS double trailer. I wonder if the UPS tracker has 'package destroyed in freeway inferno' as a status.

I just checked on something I ordered from Amazon, it had been saying "departed Gainesville, Fl" now it says "We're sorry. We are unable to retrieve tracking information for this shipment at this time." coincidence I wonder?


Oh wow, that's creepy.
 
2012-01-29 09:27:03 PM
Which scooby doo character are you?

Velma!

How about you?
 
2012-01-29 09:29:51 PM

A Gentile in Boca: ZAZ: A Gentile in Boca

In the Northeast driving slowly on a fast highway is considered a good time to use flashers. I have seen signs saying "use flashers below 40 mph". The Pennsylvania driver's manual specifically says you should do this.

The Florida DMV clearly states that it is ILLEGAL to use your hazard lights unless your car is stopped.

I know everything 'up north' is clearly superior but whaddya going to do.


People using flashers when they are moving in poor visibility really tick me off. As I said earlier, it can be really hard to tell if they are moving or not. I wish there were PSA's about this, I think it's really dangerous. Until I moved to Florida I never encountered people under way with their hazards flashing, so it is ingrained in me that hazards equals stopped, so I have to go against common sense to keep moving.
 
2012-01-29 09:35:27 PM

chookbillion: Pribar: clear_prop: Pics 2 and 3 are of a UPS double trailer. I wonder if the UPS tracker has 'package destroyed in freeway inferno' as a status.

I just checked on something I ordered from Amazon, it had been saying "departed Gainesville, Fl" now it says "We're sorry. We are unable to retrieve tracking information for this shipment at this time." coincidence I wonder?

Oh wow, that's creepy.


Nevar Forget.

There's really nothing a driver can do in these situations. The visibility changes so suddenly and unexpectedly - you let up on the gas so you dont go careening into the guy in front of you, but if you slam on the brakes, the guy behind you is going to get you. I've heard stories of people trying to ride it out in the ditch and getting nailed. The scariest part is the sound - you hear it happening all around you while waiting for your turn.
 
2012-01-29 09:40:30 PM
"Truck load of art. Burning side the highway." I am thinking Jerry Jeff Walker. Could be mistaken.
 
2012-01-29 09:40:42 PM
Wow Im not really a fark regular but am I gonna be the first to say it? really?

who the fark cares its florida. next article.
 
2012-01-29 09:42:09 PM

ecor1: Which scooby doo character are you?

Velma!

How about you?


Fred. 05. I often wonder about my fellow cartoon characters, and if any of them are fellow farkers. How swell to find one. Thanks for the clue, Velma.
 
2012-01-29 09:43:23 PM
I feel bad. I assumed that everyone in the destruction was from Florida. My condolences to the families of people who were fleeing Florida. I can only assume their souls are lost forever to that abyss.
 
2012-01-29 09:48:06 PM

Charlie Freak: chookbillion: Pribar: clear_prop: Pics 2 and 3 are of a UPS double trailer. I wonder if the UPS tracker has 'package destroyed in freeway inferno' as a status.

I just checked on something I ordered from Amazon, it had been saying "departed Gainesville, Fl" now it says "We're sorry. We are unable to retrieve tracking information for this shipment at this time." coincidence I wonder?

Oh wow, that's creepy.

Nevar Forget.

There's really nothing a driver can do in these situations. The visibility changes so suddenly and unexpectedly - you let up on the gas so you dont go careening into the guy in front of you, but if you slam on the brakes, the guy behind you is going to get you. I've heard stories of people trying to ride it out in the ditch and getting nailed. The scariest part is the sound - you hear it happening all around you while waiting for your turn.


Yeah man, that is the worst. Will never forget that incessant crunching/smashing noise.
 
2012-01-29 09:48:38 PM
ecor1:

Ever go to Paul & Elizabeth's?
 
2012-01-29 09:51:51 PM

Charlie Freak: chookbillion: Pribar: clear_prop: Pics 2 and 3 are of a UPS double trailer. I wonder if the UPS tracker has 'package destroyed in freeway inferno' as a status.

I just checked on something I ordered from Amazon, it had been saying "departed Gainesville, Fl" now it says "We're sorry. We are unable to retrieve tracking information for this shipment at this time." coincidence I wonder?

Oh wow, that's creepy.

Nevar Forget.

There's really nothing a driver can do in these situations. The visibility changes so suddenly and unexpectedly - you let up on the gas so you dont go careening into the guy in front of you, but if you slam on the brakes, the guy behind you is going to get you. I've heard stories of people trying to ride it out in the ditch and getting nailed. The scariest part is the sound - you hear it happening all around you while waiting for your turn.


I think you've hit the nail on the head.
 
2012-01-29 09:54:33 PM

bowtiesheep:

Fred. 05. I often wonder about my fellow cartoon characters, and if any of them are fellow farkers. How swell to find one. Thanks for the clue, Velma.


I feel old...class of 1997.

Considering the student population of the pioneer valley there must be at least some farkers.
 
2012-01-29 09:55:53 PM
Go Go Godzilla!
 
2012-01-29 09:57:40 PM

bowtiesheep: ecor1:

Ever go to Paul & Elizabeth's?


Hm, I see its in Thorne's which I spent plenty of time in, but I don't think I ever ate there. When the rents came we usually went to the yankee pedlar, or to the brewery in Noho.
 
2012-01-29 10:06:32 PM

SoCalSurfer: Sorry, I ate fidels today. My bad, I didn't think it would affect Florida though


Yes, but which Fidel's?

Only Carlsbad can cause a blowup like that.

/Solana snob, even if it isn't on the water like CB.
 
2012-01-29 10:10:08 PM

ecor1: bowtiesheep: ecor1:

Ever go to Paul & Elizabeth's?

Hm, I see its in Thorne's which I spent plenty of time in, but I don't think I ever ate there. When the rents came we usually went to the yankee pedlar, or to the brewery in Noho.


It's a friend's parents' place. If you go back for any reason, go. You won't be disappointed.

I love that slice of the country. Family has farmed over in Sunderland since the mid-1700s.

What do you do out in SD?
 
2012-01-29 10:11:08 PM
"at the scene of the pileup, which involved cars, big rigs and possibly a motor home. "

Possibly?

That is going on my list of "you know it's bad if" quotes.
 
2012-01-29 10:25:25 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: This happened a few weeks ago also in the New Orleans area on I-10 near the Michoud exit. A stubborn marsh fire that could not be extinguished underground created a bank of smoke that crossed I-10 westbound. I believe it was foggy that morning also. The witnesses said that as soon as they entered the smoke, it was too late. I think about 40 vehicles were involved.

Link (accident video)


Happened here a few years ago. fog and smoke blanketed I-4 during the morning drive. It was so thick, responding crews had to be guided in by guys on foot feeling their way through the wreckage.
 
2012-01-29 10:28:09 PM
I guess I should update my profile..I was in SD getting a MS in microbiology..now in NOrCal doing a phd in the same thing.
 
2012-01-29 10:31:09 PM

TyrantII: Flordia, worst drivers period.

And thats coming from a Masshole.

It rains and you'll go by 15 cars in the ditch because they were still going 90mph thinking everything would work out swell.


Masshole here as well. Looks like they have people trying to race the rain home like we have people try to race the snow home.
 
2012-01-29 10:34:25 PM
Callous: TyrantII: Flordia, worst drivers period.

And thats coming from a Masshole.

It rains and you'll go by 15 cars in the ditch because they were still going 90mph thinking everything would work out swell.

Masshole here as well. Looks like they have people trying to race the rain home like we have people try to race the snow home.


Yeah, but it's only bad first week. Massholes forget how to drive until that first snowfall, then after it's pretty good. Not so with Florida drivers and any weather. They just act like it's not there, and run right into the moving roadblocks of old people across 3-4 lanes.
 
2012-01-29 10:40:27 PM
A Gentile in Boca: TyrantII: Flordia, worst drivers period.

And thats coming from a Masshole.

It rains and you'll go by 15 cars in the ditch because they were still going 90mph thinking everything would work out swell.

No, no, no.
When it rains in Florida every idiot slows down to 25 miles an hour on I-95 and puts their hazard lights on.
You know hazard lights, the double blinker thingy that is only supposed to be used when a vehicle is STOPPED.


Like i said, worst drivers ever.

The guys in the pickups and SUV tanks doing 90 end up in the ditch after trying to avoid the grannies doing 35 across all lanes with the hazards on.

I've driven all over the country, including Boston and NYC and FL is by far the worse.

CA on 80 through Sacramento seemed bad too. On a trip from Reno late night saw 20 or so accidents one a three car that went over a 30 foot embankment on the right side near an offramp (no guardrails?) and burnt out, chopped in half rig on the other side. Interesting introduction to CA on a xcountry road trip.
 
2012-01-29 10:45:00 PM

ecor1: I guess I should update my profile..I was in SD getting a MS in microbiology..now in NOrCal doing a phd in the same thing.


Way to keep up the Velma act. Where? Sister is in menlo park, phd physics
 
2012-01-29 10:52:36 PM
Stanford? Good for her. I'm at UC Davis (of pepperspraying cop fame).
 
2012-01-29 10:59:54 PM
According to the article the road WAS CLOSED due to the Fog mix.. Then someone opened it and THEN they had the crash...

=TOTAL FAIL!
 
2012-01-29 11:00:37 PM

bowtiesheep: ecor1: bowtiesheep: ecor1:

Ever go to Paul & Elizabeth's?

Hm, I see its in Thorne's which I spent plenty of time in, but I don't think I ever ate there. When the rents came we usually went to the yankee pedlar, or to the brewery in Noho.

It's a friend's parents' place. If you go back for any reason, go. You won't be disappointed.

I love that slice of the country. Family has farmed over in Sunderland since the mid-1700s.

What do you do out in SD?


Wow. Go be twats somewhere else. Yes, both of you. Go Fark off.
 
2012-01-29 11:04:16 PM
I think the real question on everybody's mind is: has there ever been a good disaster movie? I mean, can you name even one? I guess one or two of the Romero's zombie movies were alright but I don't think those should count; they're like a genre unto themselves. If we look at the some more recent films of the "genre" "Day after Tomorrow" and "2012" the most moving thing about those films is that it kinda made me wish they were real so that the movies themselves and the deranged minds that created them would be destroyed forever.
 
2012-01-29 11:05:35 PM

Voiceofreason01: I think the real question on everybody's mind is: has there ever been a good disaster movie? I mean, can you name even one?


Airplane.
 
2012-01-29 11:09:58 PM

Coronach:

Wow. Go be twats somewhere else. Yes, both of you. Go Fark off.


Your cornflakes, dear sir
Apparently: peed upon.
Ever so sorry.
 
2012-01-29 11:11:40 PM

TyrantII: Flordia, worst drivers period.

And thats coming from a Masshole.

It rains and you'll go by 15 cars in the ditch because they were still going 90mph thinking everything would work out swell.



Um, that'd be all the Massholes from "up North" as Floridians are quite well acquainted with driving in the rain.

Only accident I was ever in was coming out of Disney World and watched the delightful folks from NY slam on the brakes when the clouds opened up on them. Normal event for those who live there, armageddon for those who don't. They went from 45 to 0 (freakin' zero) on a 3 lane road. I stopped, the folks from Michigan behind me didn't.
 
2012-01-29 11:12:16 PM

buckler: Yup. Former Florida resident here, and I can attest to that. Not only does FL have a huge supply of ready-made bad drivers, they attract a huge number of bad drivers from other states, driving rental cars they aren't familiar with.


Florida has nothing on South Carolina. I have memories of watching cars going off the road, left and right, during coastal rain showers. The people driving off the road were all from SC.
 
2012-01-29 11:20:05 PM

theMightyRegeya: Florida has nothing on South Carolina. I have memories of watching cars going off the road, left and right, during coastal rain showers. The people driving off the road were all from SC


What I don't understand, even though I once lived in the state for a few years, is where all the abandoned cars in NC come from. My final theory was that people in NC are being raptured in waves. An orange sticker on the window from the highway patrol means "another rapture abandoned vehicle".

You know you've crossed into the state when you see the first one, just sitting there, miles from anywhere.

Personally, all my car wrecks happened in Florida. May have hopped a few curbs in NC too, though. And I swear that stationary dumpster came out of nowhere. (Stupidity may have been a factor.)
 
2012-01-29 11:29:29 PM
I remember driving across the country once and getting hit by a dust storm in New Mexico. I am a Florida boy and this was completely out of my experience. It happened so fast and scared the shiat out of me. Happily there aren't a lot of cars in New Mexico.

I've driven this part of I-75 for decades now and I know how the fog gets. With smoke you really would be blind and it probably happened just as fast.
 
2012-01-29 11:53:06 PM
I came up on a freeway collision on the los angeles i5 before emergency vehicles arrived. I drve past at a slow rate since their were virtually no other vehicles on the road at that early morning hour. What has been seen cannot be unseen. I wish it weren't true.
 
2012-01-29 11:54:34 PM

A Gentile in Boca: TyrantII: Flordia, worst drivers period.

And thats coming from a Masshole.

It rains and you'll go by 15 cars in the ditch because they were still going 90mph thinking everything would work out swell.

No, no, no.
When it rains in Florida every idiot slows down to 25 miles an hour on I-95 and puts their hazard lights on.
You know hazard lights, the double blinker thingy that is only supposed to be used when a vehicle is STOPPED.


Incorrect. Hazard lights are to be used when a vehicle can't maintain speed. For example a big rig going up a mountain below legal interstate speed (usually 40 or 45) should have its hazards on. Any vehicle not maintaining legal speed should do likewise. Those lights say "hazard here." Not
"stopped vehicle."

/just finishing up my training as a trucker
 
2012-01-29 11:58:37 PM

buckler: TyrantII: Flordia, worst drivers period.

And thats coming from a Masshole.

It rains and you'll go by 15 cars in the ditch because they were still going 90mph thinking everything would work out swell.

Yup. Former Florida resident here, and I can attest to that. Not only does FL have a huge supply of ready-made bad drivers, they attract a huge number of bad drivers from other states, driving rental cars they aren't familiar with. And yes, people do continue merrily zooming along when they hit pea-soup fog, muckfire smoke or monsoon-like rainstorms that are literally blinding in effect. I think one issue may be that everything in Florida is so far separated from everything else that people don't want to get stuck on a stretch of interstate or state road that's hours away from any kind of civilization, so they just plod on. Many's the time I've pulled over to the side to wait out blinding fog, rain and/or smoke. Bad conditions + bad drivers = bad news.


thought about that on vacation in FLA. senior citizens with impaired reflexes, bloody tourists first time on those roads, youth gone wild on spring break, business people in rented cars, uninsured illegals, flaming morans without helmets on donor scooters & 4WD rednecks. the cemeteries must be massive land holdings.
 
2012-01-30 12:01:23 AM

ZAZ: A Gentile in Boca

In the Northeast driving slowly on a fast highway is considered a good time to use flashers. I have seen signs saying "use flashers below 40 mph". The Pennsylvania driver's manual specifically says you should do this.


In Ohio, the hazard lights are used as an excuse to go really fast. I'm not sure it's legal but I see it happen at least once or twice a week.
 
2012-01-30 12:13:47 AM

BolloxReader: A Gentile in Boca: TyrantII: Flordia, worst drivers period.

And thats coming from a Masshole.

It rains and you'll go by 15 cars in the ditch because they were still going 90mph thinking everything would work out swell.

No, no, no.
When it rains in Florida every idiot slows down to 25 miles an hour on I-95 and puts their hazard lights on.
You know hazard lights, the double blinker thingy that is only supposed to be used when a vehicle is STOPPED.

Incorrect. Hazard lights are to be used when a vehicle can't maintain speed. For example a big rig going up a mountain below legal interstate speed (usually 40 or 45) should have its hazards on. Any vehicle not maintaining legal speed should do likewise. Those lights say "hazard here." Not
"stopped vehicle."

/just finishing up my training as a trucker


Keep studying big guy.

Start with FL Statute 316.2397 (7).
 
2012-01-30 12:14:17 AM

clear_prop: Darth_Lukecash: A few years ago we had 230some pile up in southern California. Don't think anyone was hurt seriously.

Its kind of weird, I remember seeing the fog roll in like something out of a horror story, one minute it's clear, the next miuet you can't see for shiat: if you can't see for shiat- slow down or pull off the road.

Tule fog (new window) is a biatch. Driving along and every is clear, and then wham, zero visibility.


That's the ghost of the Tule lake reforming every winter to haunt the descendants of its drainers.

FOOGGG FOR THE LAKE GOD
 
2012-01-30 12:17:02 AM
www.latimes.com

Looks like that car with the rims was going a bit fast for zero visibility conditions.
 
2012-01-30 12:18:22 AM
cdn.hometheaterforum.com

Seen fleeing the scene.
 
2012-01-30 12:19:47 AM
i44.tinypic.com
 
2012-01-30 12:22:18 AM

PsyPBJBacon: ZAZ: A Gentile in Boca

In the Northeast driving slowly on a fast highway is considered a good time to use flashers. I have seen signs saying "use flashers below 40 mph". The Pennsylvania driver's manual specifically says you should do this.

In Ohio, the hazard lights are used as an excuse to go really fast. I'm not sure it's legal but I see it happen at least once or twice a week.


Federal DOT mandates truck drivers to use hazards on highways under 45mph. In Pennysylvania, supposed to be at 50mph. It's not the hazards that cause these crashes. It is driving too fast for conditions.

I drive this road at least 4 days a week. As a matter of fact, we came through there last night about 3 hrs prior to this accident.

In fog/smoke/crappy visibility SLOW down. If you can't see the zipper and the fog line, get off the road, stay in your vehicle and turn your lights OFF.
 
2012-01-30 12:26:18 AM

A Gentile in Boca: BolloxReader: A Gentile in Boca:
Keep studying big guy.

Start with FL Statute 316.2397 (7).


Federal DOT trumps state laws for commercial truck drivers. In his case, (in a truck) he's right.

/truck driver with 1.8 million miles under my belt.
 
2012-01-30 12:27:15 AM
I blame Project Arrowhead.
 
2012-01-30 12:44:34 AM

KarmaSpork: A Gentile in Boca: BolloxReader: A Gentile in Boca:
Keep studying big guy.

Start with FL Statute 316.2397 (7).

Federal DOT trumps state laws for commercial truck drivers. In his case, (in a truck) he's right.

/truck driver with 1.8 million miles under my belt.


DOT 392.14 & 392.22(a).
Can't seem to find where it says hazard lights make driving in terrible conditions oke-doke. Seems to say if the shiat hits the fan get off the road.

As stated earlier state laws regarding hazard usage differs.

Safe travels.
 
2012-01-30 12:57:20 AM

A Gentile in Boca: KarmaSpork: A Gentile in Boca: BolloxReader: A Gentile in Boca:
Keep studying big guy.

Start with FL Statute 316.2397 (7).

Federal DOT trumps state laws for commercial truck drivers. In his case, (in a truck) he's right.

/truck driver with 1.8 million miles under my belt.

DOT 392.14 & 392.22(a).
Can't seem to find where it says hazard lights make driving in terrible conditions oke-doke. Seems to say if the shiat hits the fan get off the road.

As stated earlier state laws regarding hazard usage differs.

Safe travels.


Karma is right on this one, one of our drivers got a ticket in Tallahassee for using his flashers going up a steep grade, our lawyer got the ticket dismissed under a Fed DoT reg he found somewhere, I don't care enough about the subject to log into work and search the personnel files for the case to find out what statute it was.
 
2012-01-30 12:57:56 AM
Weird. The photos don't seem to correlate with 10 dead. On the other hand, the video in this article doesn't seem to fit with one victim: German autobahn pileup (pops)

It's a pity that road deaths don't get more focus (in terms of action for prevention) because they all happen ones and twos rather than hundreds at a time, although over the year the numbers are high.
 
2012-01-30 12:58:28 AM
Since nobody else will do it:
www.imcdb.org
 
2012-01-30 01:02:51 AM

ecossais: Weird. The photos don't seem to correlate with 10 dead.

.
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The article makes no attempt to be clear - but it sorta hinted at more than one crash. Bad writing, or they were purposefully being sneaky?
 
2012-01-30 01:04:51 AM

Leskay: ecossais: Weird. The photos don't seem to correlate with 10 dead.
.
.
The article makes no attempt to be clear - but it sorta hinted at more than one crash. Bad writing, or they were purposefully being sneaky?


There were two multi-car pileups on both sides of the interstate.
 
2012-01-30 02:15:48 AM

zxcasd: SoCalSurfer: Sorry, I ate fidels today. My bad, I didn't think it would affect Florida though

Yes, but which Fidel's?

Only Carlsbad can cause a blowup like that.

/Solana snob, even if it isn't on the water like CB.


Funny, the Fidels in Carlsbad is also what popped up in my mind when I read that
 
2012-01-30 02:39:33 AM
FTFA

All lanes of the interstate -- there are three lanes running each direction -- remained closed as investigators began trying to figure out exactly what caused the wrecks

Also

Hazy fog and heavy smoke from a brush fire clouded a north Florida interstate highway overnight, leaving drivers blinded

/maybe it was the fog and smoke?
 
2012-01-30 02:42:41 AM

Zoomaster: FTFA

All lanes of the interstate -- there are three lanes running each direction -- remained closed as investigators began trying to figure out exactly what caused the wrecks

Also

Hazy fog and heavy smoke from a brush fire clouded a north Florida interstate highway overnight, leaving drivers blinded

/maybe it was the fog and smoke?


Usually insurance companies would appreciate a little more detail.
 
2012-01-30 02:44:23 AM
Oh and lawyers. Lawyers like detail too.
 
2012-01-30 03:35:57 AM
The key thing to realize is that the cause of the fire has been reported as potentially arson. If it was arson, then the individual who set the fire is probably liable for felony murder charges as the smoke from the fire was a contribuing cause (in all likelihood) to the wreck. Given the multiple fatalities, if it was arson, this could lead to the death penalty.
 
2012-01-30 05:37:27 AM

rooftop235: JasonOfOrillia: "Man this smoke and fog is heavy"
"Honey, maybe we should slow down"
"Don't worry, I've got it under control"

That's been proven. People tend to actually speed up in fog.


Did you mean "SUV drivers"?
 
2012-01-30 05:42:01 AM

Confabulat: Leskay: ecossais: Weird. The photos don't seem to correlate with 10 dead.
.
.
The article makes no attempt to be clear - but it sorta hinted at more than one crash. Bad writing, or they were purposefully being sneaky?

There were two multi-car pileups on both sides of the interstate.


Rubberneckers on the other side going, "Gee, look kids, a pileup!!"
 
2012-01-30 06:34:51 AM
Always when I read something like this, I wonder why massive pile ups over here with our speed limit free zones aren't as deadly.
 
2012-01-30 06:40:21 AM
Any locals know the status of 75 this morning? Should I plan an alternate route ?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-01-30 08:00:58 AM
craig328: watched the delightful folks from NY slam on the brakes when the clouds opened up on them

I was driving on the Mass Pike through Newton when hail started falling. Some folks decided to park under the overpass. In a travel lane.

If I hit everybody who deserved to be hit I wouldn't have a car. I managed to avoid them, but I was hoping to see a fireball in my rear view mirror.
 
2012-01-30 08:08:04 AM
You know what I've always wondered? Why does fog maintain such density on the high-traffic roads? A car going past you whips up a decent draft, let alone a semi. This should create a "tunnel" of moving air, which should keep the fog from getting so dense you would think.

Well I've found my research project for the day
 
2012-01-30 09:37:28 AM

Darth_Lukecash: if you can't see for shiat- slow down or pull off the road.


that's the problem. some people slow down, some people keep going the same speed. i don't know if the guy in front of me is slowing down or not, but if the guy behind me isn't slowing down and I slow down, i know i am going to be in an accident very soon.
 
2012-01-30 09:43:25 AM
Daedalus27: The key thing to realize is that the cause of the fire has been reported as potentially arson. If it was arson, then the individual who set the fire is probably liable for felony murder charges as the smoke from the fire was a contribuing cause (in all likelihood) to the wreck. Given the multiple fatalities, if it was arson, this could lead to the death penalty.

Nonsense. You can't premeditate death by arson smokescreen.

Manslaughter at the most, time served since yokel can't make bail.
 
2012-01-30 09:44:49 AM
Naesen: You know what I've always wondered? Why does fog maintain such density on the high-traffic roads? A car going past you whips up a decent draft, let alone a semi. This should create a "tunnel" of moving air, which should keep the fog from getting so dense you would think.

Well I've found my research project for the day


Easy.

Because the amount of energy nature is working with dwarfs anything we do as humans.
 
2012-01-30 09:52:03 AM

craig328: TyrantII: Flordia, worst drivers period.

And thats coming from a Masshole.

It rains and you'll go by 15 cars in the ditch because they were still going 90mph thinking everything would work out swell.


Um, that'd be all the Massholes from "up North" as Floridians are quite well acquainted with driving in the rain.

Only accident I was ever in was coming out of Disney World and watched the delightful folks from NY slam on the brakes when the clouds opened up on them. Normal event for those who live there, armageddon for those who don't. They went from 45 to 0 (freakin' zero) on a 3 lane road. I stopped, the folks from Michigan behind me didn't.


THIS. I avoid the Disney zone like the plague. The tourists here are even stupider than the locals. And that's saying quite a bit.
 
2012-01-30 10:07:11 AM

Naesen: You know what I've always wondered? Why does fog maintain such density on the high-traffic roads? A car going past you whips up a decent draft, let alone a semi. This should create a "tunnel" of moving air, which should keep the fog from getting so dense you would think.

Well I've found my research project for the day


Um...think that through a little further. The semi truck makes a "tunnel" of moving air (somewhat true) but, while the truck is displacing the air, a vacuum (or low pressure area) is being formed behind the truck. Air moves from high pressure to low pressure but the air that rushes in to fill the void (the "tunnel") is filled with what?

Hint: the truck is driving through a mass of air containing fog/smoke.
 
2012-01-30 10:10:02 AM

gojirast: THIS. I avoid the Disney zone like the plague. The tourists here are even stupider than the locals. And that's saying quite a bit.


To be fair, the locals (people who've lived in Florida for more than a few years) drive in rain just fine. They kind of have to as during rainy season, it rains pretty much every afternoon. You adjust and get used to it. Even for the tourists, it's not an issue of smart/stupid but more of one of experience.

It'd be like complaining about how a Floridian would drive on ice. Actually, that's kind of a trick question because anytime there's ice on the roads in the South, people just stay home.

/after they clean out the grocery stores of milk and bread
 
2012-01-30 10:35:10 AM

medius: theMightyRegeya: Florida has nothing on South Carolina. I have memories of watching cars going off the road, left and right, during coastal rain showers. The people driving off the road were all from SC

What I don't understand, even though I once lived in the state for a few years, is where all the abandoned cars in NC come from. My final theory was that people in NC are being raptured in waves. An orange sticker on the window from the highway patrol means "another rapture abandoned vehicle".

You know you've crossed into the state when you see the first one, just sitting there, miles from anywhere.

Personally, all my car wrecks happened in Florida. May have hopped a few curbs in NC too, though. And I swear that stationary dumpster came out of nowhere. (Stupidity may have been a factor.)


Stationed at camp lejeune, nc right now. My husband and I have wondered about this for a while. It's even bad on base!


I'm not saying its aliens, but.... It's aliens.
 
2012-01-30 11:24:03 AM

See My Az Go: Any locals know the status of 75 this morning? Should I plan an alternate route ?


I-75 and 441 were both closed this morning. Looks like they just reopened both of them.

/Glad I wasn't headed down to Ocala this weekend.
 
2012-01-30 11:39:21 AM

ZAZ: That's more of a California style accident than a Florida accident. Every few years there's fog in the central valley and visibility goes from perfect to where's-my-hood? in moments as drivers enter a fogbank. Drivers entering fog at speed get some blame here.

Rarely we have big chain reaction wrecks in New England. Unlike California's fog and Florida's smoke, ours are caused by sudden snow squalls that you can't anticipate.

Fog banks over New England roads almost always have at least 200 feet visibility.


The above sentence is one of the biggest reasons that the rest of the country hates Californians... They think they invented everything, even multi-car pileups with multiple deaths...
 
2012-01-30 11:48:19 AM

chookbillion: Pribar: clear_prop: Pics 2 and 3 are of a UPS double trailer. I wonder if the UPS tracker has 'package destroyed in freeway inferno' as a status.

I just checked on something I ordered from Amazon, it had been saying "departed Gainesville, Fl" now it says "We're sorry. We are unable to retrieve tracking information for this shipment at this time." coincidence I wonder?

Oh wow, that's creepy.


I once had my UPS tracker come up with "Package delayed due to train derailment", but it arrived in good condition a few days later...
 
2012-01-30 12:09:58 PM
I'll never understand why people don't slow down in bad weather.
 
2012-01-30 02:08:29 PM

ZAZ: That's more of a California style accident than a Florida accident. Every few years there's fog in the central valley and visibility goes from perfect to where's-my-hood? in moments as drivers enter a fogbank. Drivers entering fog at speed get some blame here.

Rarely we have big chain reaction wrecks in New England. Unlike California's fog and Florida's smoke, ours are caused by sudden snow squalls that you can't anticipate.

Fog banks over New England roads almost always have at least 200 feet visibility.


Drivers slowing down are to blame.
 
2012-01-30 02:09:36 PM

Man On Pink Corner: I guess I don't understand... if you are going so fast that you can't see a wall of smoke ahead in time to slow down for it, you're going too fast, right? If you can't see at all, even after you slow down, you should pull as far off the road as you can get and wait it out, right? Am I right, or am I missing an obvious driving strategy here?


No, if everybody keeps moving, nobody dies. It's when people enter the fog, slam on their brakes and get rearended that the shiat hits the fan.
 
2012-01-30 04:02:22 PM

TyrantII: Daedalus27: The key thing to realize is that the cause of the fire has been reported as potentially arson. If it was arson, then the individual who set the fire is probably liable for felony murder charges as the smoke from the fire was a contribuing cause (in all likelihood) to the wreck. Given the multiple fatalities, if it was arson, this could lead to the death penalty.

Nonsense. You can't premeditate death by arson smokescreen.

Manslaughter at the most, time served since yokel can't make bail.


You don't need premeditation for felony murder. You do an inherently dangerous criminal act (like arson) you can anticipate people may die because of it. This includes setting fires where death results whether by burning, smoke inhalation, accidents in evacuation, heart attack/breathing issues from smoke, etc. It is reasonable to expect when you intentionally set a fire, bad things can happen and you will be held responsible.
 
2012-01-30 06:39:49 PM

dk47: Man On Pink Corner: I guess I don't understand... if you are going so fast that you can't see a wall of smoke ahead in time to slow down for it, you're going too fast, right? If you can't see at all, even after you slow down, you should pull as far off the road as you can get and wait it out, right? Am I right, or am I missing an obvious driving strategy here?

No, if everybody keeps moving, nobody dies. It's when people enter the fog, slam on their brakes and get rearended that the shiat hits the fan.


How do you see a wall of smoke at 3:45 am anyway?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-01-30 07:34:32 PM
Arson of a dwelling is a routine example of felony murder. Arson of a swamp would fall under a different statute. I don't know whether it would be considered inherently dangerous to human life.
 
2012-01-30 08:32:39 PM

Confabulat: Zoomaster: FTFA

All lanes of the interstate -- there are three lanes running each direction -- remained closed as investigators began trying to figure out exactly what caused the wrecks

Also

Hazy fog and heavy smoke from a brush fire clouded a north Florida interstate highway overnight, leaving drivers blinded

/maybe it was the fog and smoke?

Usually insurance companies would appreciate a little more detail.


======

Yes, they all want to pass the buck and make someone else pay. Warren Buffet didn't become a billionair by paying out claims.
 
2012-01-30 09:01:11 PM

Barfmaker: I don't mean to contradict Subby, but to me it looks like something out of a good disaster movie.


Looks like something out of a terrible buddy comedy.
 
2012-01-31 12:18:46 AM

Confabulat: How do you see a wall of smoke at 3:45 am anyway?


You maintain appropriate speed for the conditions, so that you can slow down safely if you run into the #$*(#* smoke monster from LOST.

Basically, here's the deal, folks: as a driver, you are responsible only for what's in front of you. There is nothing you can do about whatever is behind you, so you should always do what's appropriate based on what you see in your own headlights. If that means slowing down quickly and/or pulling off the road, then that's what you do.
 
2012-01-31 01:46:54 AM

ZAZ: Arson of a dwelling is a routine example of felony murder. Arson of a swamp would fall under a different statute. I don't know whether it would be considered inherently dangerous to human life.


Arson is an inherently dangerous activity regardless of whether it is a dwelling or forest land at least in California. There is a death penalty case about to start dealing with the "Old Fire" (new window) in 2003 that started in brush, and ended up burning 900+ homes and killing 5 people. Any time you intentionally light a fire, you are responsible for the outcome whether that is merely paying the costs of extinguishing it or the legal consequences of the damage and death that result. Of course the florida statute might be different and they may have their own criteria for felony murder.
 
2012-01-31 11:53:05 PM
The cops opened the road after having it closed for too much smoke, and 15 minutes later this happened.
 
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