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Apos: toddalmighty: what's to explain?

Exactly. Pretty straightforward ghost story.

This and that.

/excited to get into this thread

A third claims it's really Kubrick's veiled confession that he helped NASA fake the Apollo Moon landings.

Yes, That's exactly what it was.

aliens. ancient aliens

If only there were some book available that would explain some of this film's mysteries to us.

I guess we'll never know.

Using Stephen King as the source material "The Shining" is a continuation of a theme first used by him in"Salem's Lot" That being can an inanimate object like a house or hotel actually contain evil. The peak of this theory is reached in "Needful Things"


The house in "Salem's Lot" was a long time magnet for tragedy and suffering long before the vampire guy moved into it. The hotel in "The Shining" was also a kind of conduit to drive seemingly ordinary people nuts.

Kubrik put some trippy shiat in his movie just to be trippy.

Those twins still give me the heebejeebies

Wayne 985: Perhaps they need a good talking to, if you don't mind my saying so. Perhaps a bit more. My girls, submitter, they had some ludicrous "theories" about The Shining. One of them actually went on Fark, and tried to share her silly views there. But I... corrected them, sir. And when my wife tried to prevent me from doing my duty, I corrected her.

Did you try axing them nicely?


a weird guy in a bear suit doing something untoward with a top-hatted gentleman

I don't see a top hat? Anyone else see a top hat?

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Jack never intended to kill Danny, but instead give him to The Crimson King to use as a Breaker.

I'm sorry, I couldn't get past:

"That's as good a visual metonym for the horror of the 20th century that has ever been filmed," Mr. Cocks said in an interview.

lol, "Mr. Cocks". I'm sure little Jeff Cocks didn't get made fun of in grade school.

/Fark, where maturity is as great a sin as aligning oneself politically

Wayne 985:

You know, I still have never read that. I hear good things, but I never got around to it. I guess there's a movie too, but I haven't seen it either.

It's quite a bit scarier than the old 1970's made for TV movie and a far more reasonable ending for any vampire story.

The movie isn't that bad considering the budget and stuff like that.

One Bad Apple: Using Stephen King as the source material "The Shining" is a continuation of a theme first used by him in"Salem's Lot" That being can an inanimate object like a house or hotel actually contain evil. The peak of this theory is reached in "Needful Things"



What? Needful Things wasn't about a haunted house. Max Von Sydow played Satan. He engineered everything. I guess you're technically correct that the house contained evil in that Satan literally lived there.

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I never noticed the semi-concealed emergency exit sign until tonight.

WELL IF YOU DIDNT UNDERSTAND THE MOVIE THE BOOK WOULD PROBABLY CLEAR UP ANY LOOSE ENDS....SHEESH

READ A BOOK, READ A BOOK, READ A MOTHER FARKING BOOK

Public Call Box: ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKES JACK A DULL BOY

it's "play" you idiot

Public Call Box: ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKES JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PLAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY ALL WORK AND NO PAY MAKE JACK A DULL BOY

PLEASE CONTINUE.......

Good lord, the people mentioned in TFA have to be some of the most affected twats I've ever heard of. I've never had the misfortune, but I'd have to imagine trying to have a conversation with those types must be very similar to talking to 9/11 truthers, or other conspiracy types.

jj325: In 1980 I was a senior in high school. My friends and I were smoking lots of weed and taking lots of acid. We went to The Shining at least half a dozen times totally ripped and loved it. We assumed Kubrick must be a major druggie who made the movie specifically for people like us. Nothing I've learned since then has really changed my mind about that

except that Kubrick didn't do drugs nor could he care about YOU.

the thing abut "assumed" is that is makes an ASS out of U and your MED

you need more meds

LadyHawke: The only part I wish were better explained was how he was in the 1921 picture at the very end. Like, was he reincarnated?

/sorry if I'm totally missing the obvious
//love this movie

yes

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion:


What? Needful Things wasn't about a haunted house. Max Von Sydow played Satan. He engineered everything. I guess you're technically correct that the house contained evil in that Satan literally lived there.


The vampire's caretaker guy was the prototype for Leland Gaunt. The physical description given is identical down to the accent and his ring finger being longer than than all the others. "Needful Things" wasn't about the house being evil but the objects Leland sold were. The house or trinkets aren't "haunted" by some ghost they ARE evil in and of themselves.



In Kubrick's version the hotel was haunted by ghosts and Jack was possessed by one. That's the part about "..but you've always been the caretaker here Mr Torrance" and his face on a photograph from 1921. The scenario of isolated guy goes axe crazy and plays "Will It Blend" with his family has happened before and will continue to happen through the ghosts.


In King's version the hotel is a sentient spirit by itself and uses Jack to do things the hotel cannot do

Mugato: SelenaDori: WELL IF YOU DIDNT UNDERSTAND THE MOVIE THE BOOK WOULD PROBABLY CLEAR UP ANY LOOSE ENDS....SHEESH

READ A BOOK, READ A BOOK, READ A MOTHER FARKING BOOK

The book has very little to do with the movie and doesn't offer any answers. That's why King made his own shiatty yet faithful to the book miniseries.

I have to disagree, i read the book and watched the movie and the story really comes together if you experience both.
Though i do believe both artists had there own spin on things.
Then again my mind interprets things obscurely, and besides the topiary garden there were many similarities...... Just not enough to give the watcher the full vision...

JasonOfOrillia: A third claims it's really Kubrick's veiled confession that he helped NASA fake the Apollo Moon landings.

Yes, That's exactly what it was.

Proof:



What more evidence do you need?

whyaduck: My biggest problem with the movie was the casting of Nicholson.

Yes, it was an amazing performance and he OWNED the second-half of the movie. But for the first half you're supposed to believe that Jack (the character) is Joe Everyman - a guy who just wants to write and ends up getting possessed by the evil in the house.

But Nicholson walks in looking like he's already beginning his descent into Crazytown. It's delicious acting but takes away from the galloping sense of dread.

Don't remember if this stuff is in the movie, but I think the book starts off with kind of painting Jack already a bit crazy as well. He was an alcoholic, got fired from his job as a teacher because he did something violent to a student ( I think), and I think broke his kid's arm?? And the wife doesn't know if she should leave him or not?? All this before they get to the hotel.

I wouldn't have gone up there with him... .

There's a thin line drawn between being a genius or insane. I read the breakdown by Ager (refrenced in the article) a couple years ago. The Shining was always one of my favorites, but I never saw in the light this guy saw it in. I think he might just be insane.

Warning! If you go down this rabbit hole you won't come out for a couple hours.

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I think the only thing that needs to be explained is who the fark thought Shelley Duval would be good for the part of the mom.

Kitten_Pryde: whyaduck: My biggest problem with the movie was the casting of Nicholson.

Yes, it was an amazing performance and he OWNED the second-half of the movie. But for the first half you're supposed to believe that Jack (the character) is Joe Everyman - a guy who just wants to write and ends up getting possessed by the evil in the house.

But Nicholson walks in looking like he's already beginning his descent into Crazytown. It's delicious acting but takes away from the galloping sense of dread.

Don't remember if this stuff is in the movie, but I think the book starts off with kind of painting Jack already a bit crazy as well. He was an alcoholic, got fired from his job as a teacher because he did something violent to a student ( I think), and I think broke his kid's arm?? And the wife doesn't know if she should leave him or not?? All this before they get to the hotel.

I wouldn't have gone up there with him... .

He was on the wagon though, and there was going to be no chance to fall off, because there wasn't any alcohol at the hotel. He had hurt a college student who had been on his debate team, because he caught him slashing his tires (because he felt he had been treated unfairly because of a stutter which came out when he was stressed by debating) . The character was basically a good guy with some anger issues, who loved his wife and child, and was trying hard not to become an alcoholic asshole.

It's been 20-something years since I read the book but, my impression was that the Overlook was one of the main characters. The hotel collected powerful and/or evil people and experiences, and it was after Danny from the start, using Jack's weakness to get to Danny.

One main thing missing from the movie was the hotel's weakness: an old boiler that needed to have it's pressure bled off at regular intervals to prevent an explosion. That and all the articles on the hotel that Jack runs across as he slowly falls under its spell, telling the readers that the hotel is a force to be reckoned with, is something Kubrick left out or downplayed in the movie, probably because he had ideas that would play better on film.

People like to see things that aren't actually there.