I say " JoePa"
You say "Pedo"

GAT_00: vudukungfu: I say " JoePa"
You say "Pedo"

Yeah, I'm more than a little sick of people associating him with pedophilia, particularly since he WASN'T A PEDOPHILE, something that seems to have been completely forgotten in the rush to hate.

I'm torn on this issue. I agree with you on merit but I am a Pitt guy that was tired of Paterno worship in the 80's.

GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: accessory after the fact

Which he wasn't either or a Grand Jury would have found reason to indict him.

Hillbilly Jim: I agree with you on merit but I am a Pitt guy that was tired of Paterno worship in the 80's.

So you're willing to call a guy a pedophile because you don't like him?

No but I am willing to chuckle atGAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: accessory after the fact

Which he wasn't either or a Grand Jury would have found reason to indict him.

Hillbilly Jim: I agree with you on merit but I am a Pitt guy that was tired of Paterno worship in the 80's.

So you're willing to call a guy a pedophile because you don't like him?

No. However, I am willing to chuckle at in bad taste Paterno/PSU jokes.

GAT_00: FriarReb98: Oh gee, it's time for THAT thread again... yay!

I'm starting to think my job anymore is to hold unpopular opinions that everyone will hate me for because I force people to actually explain themselves.

Well lets do this and end it here.
IF Joe Pa didn't have any reason to believe abuse was ongoing, he was legally and morally in the right.
If Joe Pa did have reason to believe abuse was ongoing, he may have legally been in the right, but he had a moral obligation to stop those activities.
Deal?

GAT_00: Uchiha_Cycliste: but he had a moral obligation to stop those activities

Which conveniently ignores, like everyone else, that he did try to get it stopped. For the 300th time, it isn't JoePa's fault he wasn't the police, judge and jury.

So, you don't agree with the premise that if he was aware of abuse he had a moral obligation to stop it.

GAT_00: Uchiha_Cycliste: So, you don't agree with the premise that if he was aware of abuse he had a moral obligation to stop it.

That's not the premise I'm disagreeing with. I'm saying he did try to stop it and nobody gives him credit for that.

If he was still aware of it ongoing afterwards he still had an obligation to stop it.
As long as he thinks kids are getting raped, he has an obligation to stop it. That statement stands alone.
While I suppose he should get some credit for talking an action that did nothing, as long as it was happening and he was aware of it, he should have acted further.

We're getting off track here people. The B1G: Legends in Incompetence, Leaders in Pedophilia.

GAT_00: Uchiha_Cycliste: he has an obligation to stop it.

How exactly? I'm still waiting for someone to show me how JoePa was police, judge and jury. He was not an investigative body. He was told that this was happening. He turned that information over. He did not ever personally witness anything happening and at any point only had 2nd hand information. If someone told you that someone else was doing something illegal, you turned that information over, would your next action be to hold a press conference about it? What exactly was he supposed to do?

As long as he thought what's his name was raping kids, he should have either called the cops again or banned him from the premises. Your judge, jury, executioner analogy makes no sense, it's an allusion to a strictly legal idea which bypasses the matter at hand. Similarly, you have used it over and over to avoid acknowledging or disavowing that Paterno had a moral obligation to stop kids from getting raped if he knew about it. This is a simple premise, if he knew about it he should have tried to stop it.

Answer this question. If Joe Pa knew about the abuse, did he have a moral obligation to stop it?

Also, until you answer that question in the negative or affirmative we can not move this conversation forward.

GAT_00: Uchiha_Cycliste: Answer this question. If Joe Pa knew about the abuse, did he have a moral obligation to stop it?

Of course. What I don't understand is I think he did fulfill his moral obligation, and to the best of his abilities. It isn't like he knew, for absolute certainty, that this was happening. He did what he was supposed to do. To subscribe the failures of other people to him is simply dishonest.

I'll grant you that. I feel and others do as well that his actions are contingent on what he thought was happening. If he supposed the abuse ended after the cops came around, then he's being unfairly demonized. If he still suspected (note this is different than may have had reason to suspect) if he in the affirmative suspected it was still occurring he should have brought the police back around or banned the abuser from part of or the entire premises and or program. His level of guilt rests upon what he knew and when he knew it.

Uchiha_Cycliste: If he supposed the abuse ended after the cops came around, then he's being unfairly demonized.

Hey, you know that whole raping 10-year-old boys thing? Just don't let it happen again, alright?

Uchiha_Cycliste:

it isn't JoePa's fault he wasn't the police, judge and jury.



/ Ann Arbor's a Whore

veedeevadeevoodee: Uchiha_Cycliste:

it isn't JoePa's fault he wasn't the police, judge and jury.

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/ Ann Arbor's a Whore

Hey, don't pile on me, I was responding to GAT's talk of that phrase and expressing how it had no bearing on the moral argument at hand.

Oblig

Jerry Sandusky: I'll Never Forget All The Things Joe Paterno Did For Me (new window)

Can we get back to TactualFA plz?

Of course this guy was in pediatrics. How better to see nekkid children?

Also: . Upon examining one of the drives, they found two images of child porn, an affidavit says, that showed girls about 10 years of age. Photographs of Jenson were on the same thumb drive, records say.

I thought you had to be smrt to make it through medical school?

Uchiha_Cycliste: Hey, don't pile on me

Sorry ... no offense intended :)

It's far worse than "he didn't do enough to see that Sandusky was reported." After he was informed of Sandusky abusing a child in the Penn State shower, he continued to support The Second Mile. Paterno is listed on The Second Mile's website as a member of its honorary board of directors (new window) He gave the special JoePa stamp of approval to Sandusky's charity victim recruitment venue. He used his extreme fame to facilitate Sandusky acquiring new victims. He facilitated child sexual abuse.

Now why would he do that, I wonder... (new window)

GAT_00: vudukungfu: I say " JoePa"
You say "Pedo"

Yeah, I'm more than a little sick of people associating him with pedophilia, particularly since he WASN'T A PEDOPHILE, something that seems to have been completely forgotten in the rush to hate.

But it's so much fun and it pisses people off!!

GAT_00: serpent_sky: Anyone who disagrees has obviously never been, or even met, a rape victim of any age or gender.

Why do I even bother with stuff like this. It's obvious that no matter what JoePa did, or could have done, realistic or not, it wouldn't be enough. You've decided to blame him and that's that.

Why is "going to the police" or "making the accuser go to the police" not realistic? I'm pretty sure people would be enough for a lot of people.

antidisestablishmentarianism: This dude is 36?

Contrary to popular belief, drinking the blood of children won't make you any younger.

GAT_00: vudukungfu: I say " JoePa"
You say "Pedo"

Yeah, I'm more than a little sick of people associating him with pedophilia, particularly since he WASN'T A PEDOPHILE, something that seems to have been completely forgotten in the rush to hate.

You say JoePa
I say enables pedophilia

Every Joe Paterno thread surprises me.

People openly SUPPORT child rape? Really?

/ Yeah, i know, welcome to Fark
// But seriously, you are a fan of child rape?
/// WTF is wrong with you?

GAT_00: vudukungfu: I say " JoePa"
You say "Pedo"

Yeah, I'm more than a little sick of people associating him with pedophilia, particularly since he WASN'T A PEDOPHILE, something that seems to have been completely forgotten in the rush to hate.

No he just employed one for years. And even once it was clear what Sandusky was, Joe was at minimum willing to go along with burying it.

He's not as big a piece of crap as Sandusky, but let's not pretend he's anything but a good football coach and otherwise a fairly shiatty human being.

Odd that this has turned into another "Two Minutes of Penn Hate" thread.

Where are our friends from Ann Arbor who were falling over each other to self-righteously claim the moral high ground?

The onion really summed it up.....

SPORTS NEWS
Jerry Sandusky: I'll Never Forget All The Things Joe Paterno Did For Me


STATE COLLEGE, PA-As thousands of mourners gathered at Penn State's campus spiritual center Wednesday afternoon to say their farewells to Joe Paterno, former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky took the opportunity to express his "deep, everlasting gratitude" for everything his late mentor had done for him.

"When I think of how much of my life I owe to Joe Paterno, I don't even know where to begin," said Sandusky, who confessed to feeling "overcome" while attending the former football coach's funeral. "I think it's safe to say I wouldn't have been able to lead the life I've led, wouldn't have grown into the man I've become, if it hadn't been for his leadership. I can't even begin to imagine what would have become of me if not for Joe Paterno."

"Truly, he gave me a place where I could reach my full potential-not just as a coach, but as a man," continued Sandusky, his voice cracking. "So many of my accomplishments would not have been possible without him and the unique atmosphere he created at Penn State."

Paterno and Sandusky enjoyed a relationship stretching back almost 50 years, with each helping the other to pursue his passion. Sandusky said that while it was true the two men harbored different dreams, aspirations, and desires, Paterno was careful never to stand in his way. In fact, he affirmed, Paterno's wholehearted attention to the overall success and reputation of Penn State football allowed Sandusky to focus on building his own legacy at Happy Valley, where he was always able to go after what he wanted most.

"How many people honestly get to fulfill their very deepest desires in life?" Sandusky said. "Let alone fulfill those desires over and over again, year in and year out, day after day, for decades? That's the kind of life Joe allowed me to live."

Sandusky added, "I owe it all to the tradition he established at Penn State University."

Although Sandusky said he "cherished the freedom he was allowed" under Paterno, he admitted there was never any question as to who was ultimately in charge of and responsible for the football program.

"Make no mistake-Joe would give you free rein, but he always knew exactly what was going on in State College," said Sandusky, grinning slightly at the memory of his friend and colleague. "He had ways of letting us know that as long as we weren't interfering with Nittany Lion football, we could do our own thing and let him worry about the big picture."

"I could not have asked for a more perfect boss," Sandusky added tearfully.

Under the legendary head coach, 67-year-old Sandusky established a charitable organization called the Second Mile, which allowed him to bring thousands of underprivileged and at-risk youths to campus, introducing them to all aspects of the Penn State tradition. Paterno served Second Mile for years as one of the program's biggest fundraisers, thereby single-handedly helping Sandusky's involvement in the lives of as many children as possible.

"Life is about more than just football-it's also about being active in the community," Sandusky said before speaking at length about the particular vulnerabilities of children, and going into great detail about how badly young boys need strong, confident figures in their lives. "I remember how much Joe cared about the image of Penn State football, and how determined he was to protect that image within this community."

"I'll tell you this from the depths of my soul: Joe Paterno could do no wrong in my book," he added. "And I believe he wanted people to think the same of me."

After stepping away from the program in 1999, Sandusky was given an emeritus position with the Nittany Lions that included an office and unrestricted access to recreation rooms, showers, and other athletic facilities, a privilege Sandusky admitted he "wouldn't have known what to do without." 

"This was a man who looked out for his program, but at the end of the day, he was very much aware that a program is its people," Sandusky said of Paterno. "He knew that taking care of the program meant taking care of me. Sure, we had our tough times, but some things are bigger than football-like friendship, and the legacy you hope to leave behind."

With Paterno's passing now closing the final chapter in their relationship, Sandusky said he can't help but smile when he reflects back on their tenure together at Penn State.

"I had years of great times at Penn State," Sandusky said. "Years and years of great times. And I owe every minute to Joe Paterno."

BSABSVR: No he just employed one for years.

He didn't do that either. But feel free to keep being wrong.

GoldSpider: BSABSVR: No he just employed one for years.

He didn't do that either. But feel free to keep being wrong.

He didn't employ Sandusky? Explain.