Casualties, per Wikipedia:

77 US soldiers & 450-800 settlers vs. 70-100 Sioux

Do the Dakota want some kind of Victory Column?

Lord Jubjub: I grew up in Kansas in the 70s and was taught that the U.S. was pretty much evil in regards to letting the natives live in peace.

Before colonization, the Native population of the United States area was between 10 and 20 million. Today there are less than 3 million. At one point the population was less than 1 million.

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Crazy Cat say, "It has been many moons.....come down of your totem pole, take the wood, build a bridge and get over it".

Because the U.S. holocaust should be buried and forgotten.

Yes, because that's exactly what I inferred.

No, that's what he inferred. It's what you may or may not have implied.

so, the farkin cheese eaters hung a bunch of redskins? who cares?

/next rounds on me, and pussy is half price for the next hour!

FTFA : " A 150-year-old loop of rope, knotted into a hangman's noose, sits in a climate-controlled case in the underground archives of the Minnesota History Center in St. Paul. Some say it should be burned, buried or returned to the hands of the Dakota people."


Wait, wait, wait. Would you have me believe that a noose is capable of killing anyone other than black people ?

/That's moon landing levels of hoaxery right there.
//Teach the controversy

Inkpaduta wants his vengeance in BLOOD

How many papoose fit on Army bayonet?

People say it can't happen here.

It already has, we just refuse to learn from history.

Where do you think concentration camps were invented? (new window)

Hint: it was decades before the 1940's

/Land of the free. My ass.

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Crazy Cat say, "It has been many moons.....come down of your totem pole, take the wood, build a bridge and get over it".

I think the issue at this point is not so much about blaming anyone for what happened but, rather, how the history is portrayed. That's still very much a current debate, clearly.

I know as late as 1907 the natives were kicked off some of the best last in manitoba for not being white christians in what became known as the town of selkirk.

See, people think Canadians are the nicest people ever, mainly because they don't hear them talk about the indians. Reserves are basically the ghettos isolated hundreds of miles from police, firefighters and hospitals in the bush. You also don't hear alot of the suicide epidemic among native youth. Or the thousands that still live in 3rd world conditions with no running water hundreds of miles from anything. This is also a country that had a budget surplus for a decade.

Link

Natives could move on if it were possible. How do you make something of yourself when you have no water, housing, economy, and only an airplane ride to leave? Note this:

But while most Canadians have provincial and municipal codes that guarantee minimum standards in areas such as water quality, First Nations are at the whim of policy, with no legislative framework to fall back on.

What the fark is this?

toddalmighty: Wow. I lived in Mankato, Minnesota for years and I have never heard of this.

I guess it wasn't such a proud event. Now that you've heard the tale, what is your take on it?

Bringing this up - They're just Fanning the flames.

Meh, my knowledge of the history behind this stems from the fact that the visitor center in Saint Peter had a big "WERE STILL OPEN" banner on it during the government shut down in July.

tomWright: People say it can't happen here.

It already has, we just refuse to learn from history.

Where do you think concentration camps were invented? (new window)

Hint: it was decades before the 1940's

/Land of the free. My ass.

who do you think pulled the real strings of influence that made the hitler marionette machine run? it started in usa (which is really UK lite / we'll look the other way and pretend) went overseas germany and back again.
the cost was high but the reward was great. hitler & company was used, labeled as the great madmen while the truly sick bastards got to run experiments with no one to question morality. and look who took the benefit in the long run from that, competing against russia in a space program and so much more.
we (usa) now live under a new reich from the 9-11 version of poland invasion. land o' the free. it's all a lie, a big one.

KrispyKritter: who do you think pulled the real strings of influence that made the hitler marionette machine run? it started in usa (which is really UK lite / we'll look the other way and pretend) went overseas germany and back again.
the cost was high but the reward was great. hitler & company was used, labeled as the great madmen while the truly sick bastards got to run experiments with no one to question morality. and look who took the benefit in the long run from that, competing against russia in a space program and so much more.
we (usa) now live under a new reich from the 9-11 version of poland invasion. land o' the free. it's all a lie, a big one.


hahaha wut

The historical markers along the MInnesota River Valley road say things like 'on this site 5 peacefull patriot settlers were slaughtered by savages on . . .'
Find the river road in Montivideo and stick to the North side of the river all the way down to Mankato. Its a beautiful and sobering ride.

KrispyKritter: tomWright: People say it can't happen here.

It already has, we just refuse to learn from history.

Where do you think concentration camps were invented? (new window)

Hint: it was decades before the 1940's

/Land of the free. My ass.

who do you think pulled the real strings of influence that made the hitler marionette machine run? it started in usa (which is really UK lite / we'll look the other way and pretend) went overseas germany and back again.
the cost was high but the reward was great. hitler & company was used, labeled as the great madmen while the truly sick bastards got to run experiments with no one to question morality. and look who took the benefit in the long run from that, competing against russia in a space program and so much more.
we (usa) now live under a new reich from the 9-11 version of poland invasion. land o' the free. it's all a lie, a big one.

Even if they're out to get you, you're still a paranoid schizophrenic.

Lee Bruns: The historical markers along the MInnesota River Valley road say things like 'on this site 5 peacefull patriot settlers were slaughtered by savages on . . .'
Find the river road in Montivideo and stick to the North side of the river all the way down to Mankato. Its a beautiful and sobering ride.

The victors have written the history throughout civilization.

blackheart666: Even if they're out to get you, you're still a paranoid schizophrenic.

"I'm not here because I'm stupid, i'm here because I'm crazy."

So, this is the second thread in two days using pictures of non-natives dressed like 19th or 20th century natives.

When are we gonna have a thread with pictures of cheese-eating surrender monkeys?

maybe have non-French people dressed like their idea of what French people dress like?

/french
//love cheese
///and monkeys.

natmar_76: Lord Jubjub: I grew up in Kansas in the 70s and was taught that the U.S. was pretty much evil in regards to letting the natives live in peace.

Before colonization, the Native population of the United States area was between 10 and 20 million. Today there are less than 3 million. At one point the population was less than 1 million.

So you're saying controlled hunting is working ok?

natmar_76: Before colonization, the Native population of the United States area was between 10 and 20 million. Today there are less than 3 million. At one point the population was less than 1 million.

So *they're* the one percent.

Occupy First Nation!

The sad thing is that Israel supporters use the US treatment of Natives to justify their policies, saying things like "We'll stop persecuting Arabs, stealing their land, and putting them in concentration camps once the US gives the country back to the Natives".

It's not like we can go back and undo any of it, so maybe we should just move on. All this remembrance crap does is keep the bad feelings going.

Lee Bruns: The historical markers along the MInnesota River Valley road say things like 'on this site 5 peacefull patriot settlers were slaughtered by savages on . . .'
Find the river road in Montivideo and stick to the North side of the river all the way down to Mankato. Its a beautiful and sobering ride.

Haha, let's fix that. "On this site, 5 illegal immigrant liars and land thieves were brought to justice. Unfortunately the good guys lost in the end."

Mind you, those dirty 'savages' got what they deserved for being so foolish to welcome the White Man to their lands with open arms calling them 'Brother' and offering to share their bountiful land with them.

casual disregard: Are you merely racist or are you also anti-business? I guess I just don't "get" your schtick.

As someone who occasionally delves into the cesspit of the Politics tab, I can tell you that he and many others aren't doing a shtick. Their opinions are just a ransom note for reason, clipped from various unrelated memories of racism and LittleGreenFootballs links. You should spend some time talking to old folks at a retirement home to get the true "old people yelling at clouds" effect.

hogans: natmar_76: Before colonization, the Native population of the United States area was between 10 and 20 million. Today there are less than 3 million. At one point the population was less than 1 million.

So *they're* the one percent.

Occupy First Nation!

That's 10% there, Archimedes.

HairBolus: once the US gives the country back to the Natives".

The U.S. purchased much of that land from France and much was actually sold by the tribes to the U.S.

Not to say all's rosy, but there's a lot of weepy b.s. out their where Indians/Early Americans are concerned.

Brainz: All this remembrance crap does is keep the bad feelings going.

That's the objective.

UltimaCS: hogans: natmar_76: Before colonization, the Native population of the United States area was between 10 and 20 million. Today there are less than 3 million. At one point the population was less than 1 million.

So *they're* the one percent.

Occupy First Nation!

That's 10% there, Archimedes.

Looks like someone has had fancy rich kid education...

Occupy UltimaCS!

links136: But while most Canadians have provincial and municipal codes that guarantee minimum standards in areas such as water quality, First Nations are at the whim of policy, with no legislative framework to fall back on.

What the fark is this?

Fine. Have all natives become full and equal citizens instead of wards of the state. We'll give each $50,000 and the land they live on. It's better than any of my ancestors got.

TomD9938: The U.S. purchased much of that land from France and much was actually sold by the tribes to the U.S.

It was, and often it was without the tribes really having a choice, or through agents who did not have the authority to do so. While the idea of who had authority to sell land is often in debate, ultimately the results were highly exploitative and damaging to the welfare of Native Americans.

Consider that at one time, after war, disease, and relocation, Native Americans numbered less than 500k.

This is significant history. It is as far from B.S. as you can get. People need to study things like this just as much as they need to study World War II.

I'm contributing!