FloydA: pisceandreamer: basemetal: But, but, but that's haaarrrd.

I don't understand why it has to be hard. It's not like you have to be a complete bastard to be a parent who teaches their kids that they have a role in the world, and that role is not "center of the universe".

It's hard because it requires the parent to make the great intuitive leap that s/he is also not the center of the universe. Far too many parents are unable to make that leap.

Many people just shouldn't have kids.
I agree with the above post about foisting the responsibility for raising your kids off on others and then complaining when they're a mess.
This reminds me of the woman living in a motel room with 11 kids and going to the media whining that someone has to pay for this. Umm, howza bout you and all the baby daddies?

None of those kids look like me, and they don't have my last name, so I'm not going to raise them.

FloydA: pisceandreamer: basemetal: But, but, but that's haaarrrd.

I don't understand why it has to be hard. It's not like you have to be a complete bastard to be a parent who teaches their kids that they have a role in the world, and that role is not "center of the universe".

It's hard because it requires the parent to make the great intuitive leap that s/he is also not the center of the universe. Far too many parents are unable and unwilling to make that leap.

**shiver** I am the opposite of this. Teach my child. If there is a problem, call me. If you need me to help with something, let me know. I'll step up if I can. If there is a discipline issue, tell me. Unless you are being completely unreasonable, I'll back you up.

Other than that, as long as my children are not being obviously abused or neglected, (they're not) stay the fark out of our personal lives. Not your business. Not yours.

Then again, my children are not little shiats, in school or out.

FloydA: Babwa Wawa: You know the world is just going to hell in a handbasket. There's no sense of responsibility, like when I was growing up. These kids are little shiatheads, and I don't remember any shiatheads when I was growing up. Seems like all parents (present company excepted) are morons, and I don't recall any adults being morons when I was growing up.

When I was young, every young person was a shiathead and all adults were morons.

Well, no that's not entirely true. I knew of three adults who weren't morons, but all of the rest of them were. I also remember two people my age who weren't shiatheads. One of them was a nitwit and the other was an asshole.

People don't change. Job conditions do.

Teachers have always had parental responsibilities dumped on them, but they are no longer allowed to physically beat kids into submission.

Beating kids into submission should have always been the parents' job anyway.

It's the kids' job to grow up angry, mooch off their parents and shove them into a nursing facility at the first sign of infirmity, robbing them of all assets.

The Circle of Life.

namegoeshere: **shiver** I am the opposite of this. Teach my child. If there is a problem, call me. If you need me to help with something, let me know. I'll step up if I can. If there is a discipline issue, tell me. Unless you are being completely unreasonable, I'll back you up.

Other than that, as long as my children are not being obviously abused or neglected, (they're not) stay the fark out of our personal lives. Not your business. Not yours.

Then again, my children are not little shiats, in school or out.

*snert*

...so... what is it you would say teachers "do", exactly? I mean they're not teaching and now they're not even going to be the glorified babysitters that they truly are? I'd like it if for once teachers just came out and said "we would like to be paid for doing nothing." At least that would be honest -and if they dropped their sanctimonious "oh, we're so special, no one respects all the hard work we do. All 5 hours of teaching, and five days a week. and they expect us to do that for 8 months. We should be paid more for this!" that would be super.

//would like to see teachers survive a real job.

"We've got to a situation where often kids are asked (by parents), 'What do you think, darling?' But kids sometimes don't know best - it's important that parents make those decisions; important for the kids and their development."

That's a weird way to phrase this complaint. My parents would ask me for my thoughts all the time when I was a kid, and they were fairly strict. Allowing someone input and granting them authority are different things, the problem with this variant of shiat parent is the latter, not the former.

Parents to Teachers:

We've had enough of paying your bloated union salaries. Get a job in the private sector.

CitizensUnited: ...so... what is it you would say teachers "do", exactly? I mean they're not teaching and now they're not even going to be the glorified babysitters that they truly are? I'd like it if for once teachers just came out and said "we would like to be paid for doing nothing." At least that would be honest -and if they dropped their sanctimonious "oh, we're so special, no one respects all the hard work we do. All 5 hours of teaching, and five days a week. and they expect us to do that for 8 months. We should be paid more for this!" that would be super.

//would like to see teachers survive a real job.

Meh, 2/10

I guess I don't understand all the parents not disciplining their kids. Your children are a reflection of you. If your children are little assholes, you look really bad. So why the fark are all these parents driving these shiny new SUVs and living in these McMansions they can't afford and in debt up to their eyeballs to have the latest i-whatever all for the sake of appearance, and then allowing their children to act like the Spawn of Satan?

/knows so many families like this
//doesn't get it at all
///refuses to have wretched offspring
////never had to beat them, either

CitizensUnited, I'm really excited to see how many bites you get.

TheOther: It's the kids' job to grow up angry, mooch off their parents and shove them into a nursing facility at the first sign of infirmity, robbing them of all assets.

The Circle of Life.

You should write for Hallmark.

beta_plus: Parents to Teachers:

We've had enough of paying your bloated union salaries. Get a job in the private sector.

That's what they're doing - that's why what you call "bloated union salaries" are there, to retain what little talent they can, what with the stupid administrators, moronic parents, and nasty little crotchfruit.

Oh, and idiot taxpayers who think that a teacher is somehow receiving a "bloated union salary."

namegoeshere: I guess I don't understand all the parents not disciplining their kids. Your children are a reflection of you. If your children are little assholes, you look really bad. So why the fark are all these parents driving these shiny new SUVs and living in these McMansions they can't afford and in debt up to their eyeballs to have the latest i-whatever all for the sake of appearance, and then allowing their children to act like the Spawn of Satan?

/knows so many families like this

Funny, I don't know any.

FTA:
Another teacher said: "On more than five occasions this year, parents have brought in excess of 200 pages of Facebook transcripts and (said), 'We'll leave it to you to sort out'."

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/raise-your-own-kids-teachers/story-e6f rfkvr-1226256761906#ixzz1ktEihuz8


Are they kidding? Do parents actually do this? WTF. I have a vision of someday perhaps getting a masters in education, and teaching at a high-school. (as a career after I retire from my current ideal job at 50ish) it may be a pipe dream, and I have no idea how practical it is, but goddamn, there is no way in hell I am going to want to get involved in whatever facebook drama is the rage 20 years from now.

jso2897: CitizensUnited: ...so... what is it you would say teachers "do", exactly? I mean they're not teaching and now they're not even going to be the glorified babysitters that they truly are? I'd like it if for once teachers just came out and said "we would like to be paid for doing nothing." At least that would be honest -and if they dropped their sanctimonious "oh, we're so special, no one respects all the hard work we do. All 5 hours of teaching, and five days a week. and they expect us to do that for 8 months. We should be paid more for this!" that would be super.

//would like to see teachers survive a real job.

Without their precious "unions", as they call them, to protect their sorry, lazy asses? They'd never go for it in a million years.

Couple of morons in an echo chamber, talking to each other & patting themselves on their backs over their obvious bon mot.

As someone who works with people who gave up teaching for "real jobs", like being developers, technical writers, and project managers, because the private sector pays more and offers less stress, neither of you know what the hell you're talking about - and the only thing sadder than that is the obvious pride in which you display your ignorance.

Jim_Callahan: "We've got to a situation where often kids are asked (by parents), 'What do you think, darling?' But kids sometimes don't know best - it's important that parents make those decisions; important for the kids and their development."

That's a weird way to phrase this complaint. My parents would ask me for my thoughts all the time when I was a kid, and they were fairly strict. Allowing someone input and granting them authority are different things, the problem with this variant of shiat parent is the latter, not the former.

I think it's just the weird phrasing, and they mean that they allow the kids to make their own choices way past the point that it's reasonable or age-appropriate. Asking a kid what they think is a good idea. Giving a kid controlled choices is a good thing. Assuming the kid is able to make reasonable choices for themselves should not be a given. "Do you want an apple or a banana in your lunch?" as opposed to "What do you want me to pack for your lunch?" is a good example. With the latter, be prepared for the kid to ask for pizza and cookies, and plenty of parents would give it to them.

CitizensUnited: ...so... what is it you would say teachers "do", exactly? I mean they're not teaching and now they're not even going to be the glorified babysitters that they truly are? I'd like it if for once teachers just came out and said "we would like to be paid for doing nothing." At least that would be honest -and if they dropped their sanctimonious "oh, we're so special, no one respects all the hard work we do. All 5 hours of teaching, and five days a week. and they expect us to do that for 8 months. We should be paid more for this!" that would be super.

1/10. You're not even trying anymore.

And yet many people argue (even here) that we should treat children as equals.

Babwa Wawa: You know the world is just going to hell in a handbasket. There's no sense of responsibility, like when I was growing up. These kids are little shiatheads, and I don't remember any shiatheads when I was growing up. Seems like all parents (present company excepted) are morons, and I don't recall any adults being morons when I was growing up.

You realize this has been said by someone every 50 years for the past 10,000 or so, right?

GoldSpider: And yet many people argue (even here) that we should treat children as equals.

Equal to you? I think we should treat children better than that...

How about if the parents raise their kids and the teachers teach them? It seems like plenty of people on both sides are shirking their responsibilities.

CitizensUnited: ...so... what is it you would say teachers "do", exactly? I mean they're not teaching and now they're not even going to be the glorified babysitters that they truly are? I'd like it if for once teachers just came out and said "we would like to be paid for doing nothing." At least that would be honest -and if they dropped their sanctimonious "oh, we're so special, no one respects all the hard work we do. All 5 hours of teaching, and five days a week. and they expect us to do that for 8 months. We should be paid more for this!" that would be super.

//would like to see teachers survive a real job.

Guy, you have no clue. YOU are the problem here. Its YOU, not the teachers or students.

Grow up and be a parent, or give them to adults who know how to raise children. Because, face it, man, you're farking up, out loud. Daily.

We need to shift the blame for not succeeding back from the school to the parents.

CitizensUnited: ...so... what is it you would say teachers "do", exactly? I mean they're not teaching and now they're not even going to be the glorified babysitters that they truly are? I'd like it if for once teachers just came out and said "we would like to be paid for doing nothing." At least that would be honest -and if they dropped their sanctimonious "oh, we're so special, no one respects all the hard work we do. All 5 hours of teaching, and five days a week. and they expect us to do that for 8 months. We should be paid more for this!" that would be super.

//would like to see teachers survive a real job.

0/10

Swap places with a teacher for 2 weeks... go ahead, I dare you...

jayhawk88: Babwa Wawa: You know the world is just going to hell in a handbasket. There's no sense of responsibility, like when I was growing up. These kids are little shiatheads, and I don't remember any shiatheads when I was growing up. Seems like all parents (present company excepted) are morons, and I don't recall any adults being morons when I was growing up.

You realize this has been said by someone every 50 years for the past 10,000 or so, right?

You realize your sarcasm detector is broken, right?

Colin O'Scopy: Guy, you have no clue. YOU are the problem here. Its YOU, not the teachers or students.

Grow up and be a parent, or give them to adults who know how to raise children. Because, face it, man, you're farking up, out loud. Daily.


QFT

TFA's perspective needs to be picked-up here in the states.

Just this week I got harassed by a parent ( her third time in to complain about me ) solely b/c I didn't call her to tell her of an upcoming big-point project her son had. I have the thirteen year old write down the lesson plan and homework every day, as I knew how ridiculous the woman is, and he is a slacker, but she couldn't be bothered to ask her son what is going on in school, or read the plan/homework.

She called at least two of my superiors prior to the meeting to complain. But, of course, she never called me to ask about what is going on in my class.

My administration didn't support me in the last two meetings, either, since they are scared to death of parents and any hint of a lawyer (boy has mild ADHD.)