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(CBS News)   You you own an Apple iProduct? Well, then you are a horrible person and you should feel bad   (cbsnews.com) divider line 452
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2012-01-29 04:57:32 PM
If you are stupid enough to pay 400% markup YOU SHOULD feel bad.
 
2012-01-29 04:58:48 PM
You are all using a Foxconn product right now.
 
2012-01-29 05:00:17 PM

Godscrack: No no I I don't.

 
2012-01-29 05:01:05 PM
What if i bought an Apple product (multiple) because i have always had a positive experience with them, and i cherish the thought of all the slave tears that are sealed inside it's shiny metal case. It's why you aren't supposed to take apple products apart yourself, you'd let all that suffering out! It's what makes a mac a mac!
 
2012-01-29 05:02:21 PM
Okay, so if I had a Samsung phone would it be made in a caring, loving environment full of humans improving themselves and acheiving higher potential?

No? Well, at least I have an iPhone then.
 
2012-01-29 05:02:30 PM

Flint Ironstag: Dinki: Steve Jobs " Sure we only employe 43,000 people in the US, while employing 700,000 people in China and other low wage countries. But that's because we couldn't afford to make or assemble the devices here in the US. We simply couldn't afford it."

The rest of us- "What about the $90 BILLION in cash you are sitting on?"

Jobs "...."

If he employed workers in the US he'd need twice as many (at least) since US workers won't work 12 hour days six days a week.

At $50k a year that would cost $70 billion. A year.

Apples $90 billion cash would be gone in under 18 months and Apple would be losing $40 billion a year and go bust, losing the jobs of the 42,000 people Apple does employ in the US now.

Happy?



That may well be the dumbest post ever written. Do yourself a favor, don't apply for a job as an economist.
 
2012-01-29 05:05:20 PM

NFA: Americans and people of the world need to wake up and demand that products be built without the modern equivalent of slavery. They need to protest by not buying those products.


So we'll not be seeing you posting anymore, I assume, since every computer sold in the US is made there. Let's talk real solutions, not a boycott. Time to bring the manufacturing home and reward the first company to do that.
 
2012-01-29 05:05:34 PM

NFA: They have 8 or more people living in a factory dormitory and are ordered not to speak to one another or even share names.


That's the part that I don't get. What possible advantage is there to this kind of policy?
 
2012-01-29 05:06:07 PM
NFA : Americans and people of the world need to wake up and demand that products be built without the modern equivalent of slavery. ... you're promoting human suffering for profit. It's just that simple. You care part of the problem.

And while you're at it, take those sweatshop clothes off.
 
2012-01-29 05:07:51 PM

Trance750: I know it's considered cool and trendy to hate people who are rich and successful, but Steve Jobs is hardly the only person who does this.


He's been working hard all year at being still dead.
 
2012-01-29 05:07:57 PM
Highly populated country = cheap wages compared to lower populated countries

Highly populated state = expensive wages compared to lower populated states

Go figure.
 
2012-01-29 05:08:11 PM
Blaming Apple: easy

Blaming the Chinese govt: hard
 
2012-01-29 05:08:44 PM
The mobile site for the article isn't coming up on my iPhone.
 
2012-01-29 05:10:08 PM

Weaver95: thomps: Weaver95: thomps: Darth_Lukecash: That being said: Apples treatment of the Chinese labor is horrible, and I will probabbly not get another iPhone.

what will you get instead to avoid supporting those types of labor practices?

why do you care?

because i'm also interested in avoiding supporting those types of labor practices when reasonably possible to do so. but i don't see the point in using that as a reason not to buy an iphone if buying a competitor supports similar practices.

i'm not trying to be a dick here, but it doesn't make any sense to avoid apple products in favor of other electronics providers if that question isn't answered.

I don't think you CAN avoid purchasing products manufactured by foxconn. if your product is manufactured in china then odds are that they made it, or they made the parts that went into it.


FTFA: In 2012 it's virtually impossible to stop buying and using electronics made in Chinese factories for Apple or anybody else.

So there's that.
 
2012-01-29 05:11:48 PM

thomps: so i can strap a fleshlight to the back of it


I'm not about to click that at work, but a roll over confirms the URL is hilarious.
 
2012-01-29 05:12:07 PM

Dinki: Steve Jobs " Sure we only employe 43,000 people in the US, while employing 700,000 people in China and other low wage countries. But that's because we couldn't afford to make or assemble the devices here in the US. We simply couldn't afford it."

The rest of us- "What about the $90 BILLION in cash you are sitting on?"

Jobs "...."


This came up on the Shark Tank the other day. Some guy from North Carolina had a product that was profitable, he wanted to scale up so he needed an investor. Every single shark asked him to produce it overseas, the guy (seriously near tears) said he wanted to use his product to help his community that was hurting from the down economy. He wanted it to be made in the U.S. knowing that meant less profits. Every single shark turned him down saying they'd want to make it overseas. They even brought up Apple as an example of how to do it. Nice to know American investors and businesses want to keep China's economy going.
 
2012-01-29 05:12:43 PM

Runs_With_Scissors_: I'm not sure why there's so much fake outrage about Apple.

Is anyone here old enough to remember when it was discovered that Nike shoes were being manufactured in Asia for a few pennies, and then being sold for $100? How about when GM moved its operations the Mexico, and Asia?

Do you like chocolate? Coffee? Congratulations, you're directly support child slavery.

I challenge anyone here to get dressed, eat breakfast or do just about any task without using something made by someone in slavery conditions. It can't be done.

Sadly, I have little confidence that will change the way Americans shop.

Don't even get me started on our domestic prison slavery manufacturing.



starcasm.net

Don't forget animation.

I think you focus to much on the downsides of sweatshop child slave labor. On the brightside you don't have to worry about the stuff made on a Friday being lower quality.
 
2012-01-29 05:13:14 PM

fusillade762: NFA: They have 8 or more people living in a factory dormitory and are ordered not to speak to one another or even share names.

That's the part that I don't get. What possible advantage is there to this kind of policy?


Many Chinese workers moved to the city from the country where they had been living off the land. They move to the city looking for improved conditions and end up selling their soul to the company store.
 
2012-01-29 05:14:25 PM

Dinki: Steve Jobs " Sure we only employe 43,000 people in the US, while employing 700,000 people in China and other low wage countries. But that's because we couldn't afford to make or assemble the devices here in the US. We simply couldn't afford it."

The rest of us- "What about the $90 BILLION in cash you are sitting on?"

Jobs "...."


Bears repeating.
 
2012-01-29 05:14:38 PM
Is this spin really going mainstream now? While the conditions are bad, these are not Apple employees - they're suppliers and factories with contracts from Apple and many other companies. Its really bizarre to me that the actual companies, like Foxconn, are getting none of the heat, but one of their customers is seen as responsible for their labor practices? It seems like a huge stretch so say that these are Apple employees, under the control of Apple management.

I'm not saying that its OK for them to turn a blind eye to it, but they also really aren't, in fact they make every other consumer electronics company seem like Nuremberg defendants by comparison.
 
2012-01-29 05:14:43 PM
cache.ohinternet.com
 
2012-01-29 05:15:31 PM
I assume that the Chinese workers would be better off with no jobs? The only competitive advantage that they have is their willingness to work long hours in poor conditions to make a cheaper product for us to consume.
 
2012-01-29 05:16:51 PM
Yes, it would be much better to not buy anything from Asians except the Japanese. Let the rest starve and go back to subsistence farming so we can move production to Africa and go back to feeling selfrighteous about oppressing black people again.
 
2012-01-29 05:16:52 PM
I have an iMac, and a few iPods ... but no iPhone ... and I feel just fine.
 
2012-01-29 05:16:55 PM

One Bad Apple: I think you focus to much on the downsides of sweatshop child slave labor. On the brightside you don't have to worry about the stuff made on a Friday being lower quality.


Thanks for the several years old joke, Dilbert.
 
2012-01-29 05:17:52 PM
Yeah, and those assholes who buy X-Box... also produced by Foxconn. Also, all the other companies who... Oh I forgot, only Apple is bad for using Foxconn. Everyone else is cool.
 
2012-01-29 05:17:56 PM

Dinki: Steve Jobs " Sure we only employe 43,000 people in the US, while employing 700,000 people in China and other low wage countries. But that's because we couldn't afford to make or assemble the devices here in the US. We simply couldn't afford it."

The rest of us- "What about the $90 BILLION in cash you are sitting on?"

Jobs "...."


That's not what he said when asked that question.

Link (new window)

Nice try though.
 
2012-01-29 05:18:12 PM
www.gizmodo.com
 
2012-01-29 05:18:25 PM

NFA: Americans and people of the world need to wake up and demand that products be built without the modern equivalent of slavery. They need to protest by not buying those products.


You better throw all of the electronics in your home away because all of them are made in similar conditions.
 
2012-01-29 05:18:30 PM
I'll get over it.
 
2012-01-29 05:19:12 PM
What if I'm a horrible person, but don't own anything made by apple?

Guess I have to go out and buy apple stuff now. Or try to be a less horrible person.
 
2012-01-29 05:20:59 PM

NFA: Americans and people of the world need to wake up and demand that products be built without the modern equivalent of slavery. They need to protest by not buying those products.


This will never happen as long as people value low prices over quality and conscience. As long as people are willing to drive across town to save a few pennies, this will never happen. (A good example of this mentality is the obsession with saving a few cents a gallon on gas.) As long as there's Walmart and people who shop at Walmart, this will never, ever happen.

As for the more specific topic of this thread, Apple gets heat for this because it's such a very high-profile company, but to single out Apple for an industry-wide (hell, a culture-wide) practice is completely farking ridiculous.

That said, Apple could get a lot of good PR milage from spending some its recently publicized surplus to demand and pay for better working conditions specifically for their workers at Foxconn, et al. Doing so would turn the spotlight on the rest of the industry to do the same.

Of course, that could backfire too: No matter what they do, someone will find a way to say it's not enough.
 
2012-01-29 05:21:22 PM

9beers:
You better throw all of the electronics in your home away because all of them are made in similar conditions.


hey, at least our guns are made in america right?
 
2012-01-29 05:21:34 PM

Weaver95: the iCult is what drives a lot of Apple's stock prices these days.


so... there are 37 million people in the so-called iCult? That's just the number of people who bought iPhones from Oct 1 to Dec 31 2011.

When you are you idiots going to finally realize that people might actually buy Apple products because they enjoy using them? But go ahead and chalk it up to irrational cultish behavior if that makes you feel better.
 
2012-01-29 05:22:00 PM
I spent $200+plan for my iPhone because I anticipated receiving a benefit/cost ratio superior to the other products I considered. It's really quite astonishing how that worked out.

/posted from my Macbook
 
2012-01-29 05:22:18 PM

austin_millbarge: When you are you idiots going to finally realize that people might actually buy Apple products because they enjoy using them? But go ahead and chalk it up to irrational cultish behavior if that makes you feel better.


the iCult told you to say that, didn't they?
 
2012-01-29 05:22:58 PM
I am a horrible person and I do feel bad.

/But not because I own an iPhone and may buy my buddy's wife's MacBook Pro tomorrow (may not).
 
2012-01-29 05:23:04 PM

Trance750: LordZorch: And you paid way to much money for your inferior product.

But....but...but... it's so hip and trendy. Look at all the A-List celebrities who use it. If I buy one and use it, I'll be just as cool as they are


Or, I could BASH Apple because that's what the really cool people do. If I do it too, I'll be cool like them.
 
2012-01-29 05:23:46 PM

lordargent: NFA : Americans and people of the world need to wake up and demand that products be built without the modern equivalent of slavery. ... you're promoting human suffering for profit. It's just that simple. You care part of the problem.

And while you're at it, take those sweatshop clothes off.


And stop eating produce picked by underpaid, exploited migrant workers.

And stop eating chocolate gathered by child slaves.

And stop drinking coffee - although that industry is getting better in terms of child & slave labor, it's still an ongoing concern.

The first world is serviced by the third world. This isn't new - it's been this way for at least a century. I'm both amused at the sudden "outrage" experienced by hipster iPhone users who "discovered" that their precious toys are made by near-slaves, and appalled that the same folks becoming "outraged" at this constantly deny, dodge, or ignore the fact that our lovely, relatively cushy lives are fueled by slaves and indentured workers all over the globe.

Despite all the press to the contrary, "conscientious capitalism" is just another way of saying "kindler, gentler slavemaster" while this sort of thing continues.
 
2012-01-29 05:24:24 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: fusillade762: NFA: They have 8 or more people living in a factory dormitory and are ordered not to speak to one another or even share names.

That's the part that I don't get. What possible advantage is there to this kind of policy?

Many Chinese workers moved to the city from the country where they had been living off the land. They move to the city looking for improved conditions and end up selling their soul to the company store.


www.asianweek.com

You'd think they would have caught on to that scam by now
 
2012-01-29 05:24:27 PM
This shall be a well reasoned polite thread.
 
2012-01-29 05:24:29 PM

austin_millbarge: Trance750: LordZorch: And you paid way to much money for your inferior product.

But....but...but... it's so hip and trendy. Look at all the A-List celebrities who use it. If I buy one and use it, I'll be just as cool as they are

Or, I could BASH Apple because that's what the really cool people do. If I do it too, I'll be cool like them.


you could bash Apple...but I'd prefer ksh instead.

heheheheheh.....

ok, i'll stop now.
 
2012-01-29 05:24:35 PM

Weaver95: hey, at least our guns are made in america right?


What?
 
2012-01-29 05:25:56 PM

9beers: Weaver95: hey, at least our guns are made in america right?

What?


which one of those words did you not understand...? I typed them real slow just for you.
 
2012-01-29 05:26:33 PM

Surool: Yeah, and those assholes who buy X-Box... also produced by Foxconn. Also, all the other companies who... Oh I forgot, only Apple is bad for using Foxconn. Everyone else is cool.


i44.tinypic.com

The undeserved hype cuts both ways, fanboy. There's plenty of shiat that many companies do that people think only Apple does. Funny how you only start complaining about that when the thing in question is negative.

Apple is the metonymic face of the consumer electronics industry. They live by it, so they should be prepared to "die" by it as well.
 
2012-01-29 05:26:46 PM

Darth_Lukecash: That being said: Apples treatment of the Chinese labor is horrible, and I will probabbly not get another iPhone.


I suppose you'll just buy another manufacturer's smartphone because they are made by leprechauns who live under rainbows and smell unicorn farts all day.

Just the mere fact that you typed your post and submitted it here makes you a hypocrite unless you've somehow managed to start your own computer company that only hires US workers and uses 100% American made parts.
 
2012-01-29 05:28:11 PM

Tingle007: If you are stupid enough to pay 400% markup YOU SHOULD feel bad.


The 90's called, it wants its comment back.
 
2012-01-29 05:28:12 PM
A few years ago, they said Japan would wind up burying us.

That did not come to pass, but China is now the bugbear du jour.

India is growing at 8% per year, they have 1.05 billion people and they are even poorer than China.

China is headed towards a massive economic collapse, and when it happens it will make today's mess with Greece, Spain, Italy, etc., look tiny in comparison.

In the mean time, I see no way to avoid Chinese products. Even if something could be made in America,we are not doing so.
 
2012-01-29 05:29:11 PM
About $45 billion of the $90b Apple is sitting on is stashed overseas and Apple is not bringing it home due to impending tax rape.

Sent from my iPhone
 
2012-01-29 05:29:28 PM

Weaver95: which one of those words did you not understand...? I typed them real slow just for you.


As usual, you're a moron.
 
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