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(Daily Mail) Cool Ohh, Global warming not scary enough for you? It bores you? Well how about FREEZING TO DEATH IN A NEW ICE AGE? There, that ought to keep 'em in line. Now where's my research grant?   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 394
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2012-01-29 09:33:59 AM
We will have winters where temperatures above 100 degrees are common, and summers where it rarely gets above freezing!
 
2012-01-29 09:40:16 AM
I'm just going to worry about the beer supply and make sure we have an ample amount of coke and hookers.

You scientist-types take care of the rest. We're all counting on you.
 
2012-01-29 09:42:10 AM
So yesterday the UK was going to be the new south of France and today they'll be ice skating on the Thames .
/Brought to you by the ministry of pulling things out of my ass.
 
2012-01-29 09:43:52 AM
Snarfangel: We will have winters where temperatures above 100 degrees are common, and summers where it rarely gets above freezing!

The worst part of that is I'll have to throw out all my winter and summer clothes and get new ones.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-01-29 09:50:06 AM
I remember the these same cooling predictions which were made back in the 1970's.

However the Warmingists claim those predictions were never made. So in couple years expect them to claim this article never existed.
 
2012-01-29 09:57:27 AM
NFA: However the Warmingists claim those predictions were never made.

I don't recall anyone ever saying that. I recall people looking over the news articles of the time and finding that only about 10% of climate scientists predicted massive cooling and the majority even then were predicting the warming trend we are still on.
 
2012-01-29 09:57:28 AM
NFA: I remember the these same cooling predictions which were made back in the 1970's.

However the Warmingists claim those predictions were never made. So in couple years expect them to claim this article never existed.


I remember when folks actually at least pretended to understand the science.

Here's the funny thing: we shut down the thermohaline circulation cycle by dumping a crap ton of fresh water at the poles, we could very well kick off an Ice Age. That is my real fear with this: not "global warming" but very real and lasting climatic change.

We kill the thermohaline circulation, we're going to see systemic changes in climate across the globe. And lasting ones, because it will take a long while things to recombobulate.
 
2012-01-29 10:00:35 AM
hubiestubert: we shut down the thermohaline circulation cycle by dumping a crap ton of fresh water at the poles, we could very well kick off an Ice Age.

The good news is that the IPCC commissions have found that is likely not to happen. They believe that it is only likely to be reduced to about half strength. Which of course isn't to say it couldn't happen, but from the best data we have so far, there simply isn't a strong enough fresh water pulse to do it. The Younger Dryas cooling probably came from a glacial lake rapidly emptying down the St. Lawrence, and that amount of freshwater was enough to kill the circulation. There isn't a comparable event likely to happen.
 
2012-01-29 10:07:31 AM
GAT_00: hubiestubert: we shut down the thermohaline circulation cycle by dumping a crap ton of fresh water at the poles, we could very well kick off an Ice Age.

The good news is that the IPCC commissions have found that is likely not to happen. They believe that it is only likely to be reduced to about half strength. Which of course isn't to say it couldn't happen, but from the best data we have so far, there simply isn't a strong enough fresh water pulse to do it. The Younger Dryas cooling probably came from a glacial lake rapidly emptying down the St. Lawrence, and that amount of freshwater was enough to kill the circulation. There isn't a comparable event likely to happen.


Here's hoping. The problem is that we have folks who reflexively pop off that "climate change" is bunk, without trying to understand what is actually going on. Worse, they think that everything is instant. That fluctuations are always and forever...
 
2012-01-29 10:08:36 AM
The supposed 'consensus' on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

It's nice when an article does you the favor of showing it's all BS right from the start. Save so much time.

icons.wxug.com
 
2012-01-29 11:14:32 AM
We're still in the last ice age, last I heard.

/course, I'm old.
 
2012-01-29 11:18:45 AM
As usual, liars like to take advantage of the fact that the temperature increase graph is a sawtooth to cherry-pick the peak 10 or 15 years ago with the valley this year. In 10 years, you'll never hear about 1998 again. You'll hear all about how 2013 was way warmer than 2022, so obviously it's cooling.

The thing is, they know they're cherry-picking. But they are running out of scientists who are "skeptics" and just KNOW it can't be true, because it just CAN'T be.
 
2012-01-29 11:24:30 AM
This thread is way too civil. Mods aren't going to like that.
 
2012-01-29 11:41:25 AM
edmo: We're still in the last ice age, last I heard.

/course, I'm old.


We're in an interglacial, not an ice age. If you're being very technical, the existence of the Antarctic Ice Sheet means this is an ice age and has been one for more than 2 million years, but that isn't the same thing as the last height of glaciation 15,000 years ago. That's why the term 'interglacial' is correct, to indicate that we are in an ice age, but in a warm period of one.
 
2012-01-29 02:54:08 PM
what NASA GISS "adjustments" look like:
wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com

only way they can show a warming trend is to cool the past. farking science, how does it work?
 
2012-01-29 02:59:13 PM
DesertDemonWY: what NASA GISS "adjustments" look like:
[wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 640x1024]

only way they can show a warming trend is to cool the past. farking science, how does it work?


Hey look, someone showed you some graphs! That's nice. I guess data can never be corrected, ever.
 
2012-01-29 03:04:16 PM
GAT_00: DesertDemonWY: what NASA GISS "adjustments" look like:
[wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 640x1024]

only way they can show a warming trend is to cool the past. farking science, how does it work?

Hey look, someone showed you some graphs! That's nice. I guess data can never be corrected, ever be "corrected" to fit the narrative.


FTFY
 
2012-01-29 03:05:09 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

/Corrected for Ninjas.
 
2012-01-29 03:29:03 PM
Ahhh...David Rose!

Real name: Johann Hari. Degrees in social and political science. Plagiarist. And an avid Wikipedia entry alterer apparently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Hari

Why people believe pundits like this over the real scientists such as Dr. Jeff Masters, Dr. Cliff Mass, etc....I don't understand.
 
2012-01-29 03:30:17 PM
St_Francis_P: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 471x317]

/Corrected for Ninjas.


The Captain Morgan commercials should work that graph in.

Like maybe a business meeting with a guy pointing to that graph, saying something, then Captain Morgan crashes in swinging on a rope, sword out, and the business people scramble to escape, then they do their closing quote ("to love, life, and loot" iirc).
 
2012-01-29 03:33:08 PM
Quick, put this on the cover of TIME so we can laugh about it in 30 years!
 
2012-01-29 03:35:02 PM
FFS, not this shiat again.
 
2012-01-29 03:36:03 PM
DesertDemonWY: only way they can show a warming trend is to cool the past. farking science, how does it work?

LOL I bet the thermometers were next to the air conditioning exhaust vents amirite!
 
2012-01-29 03:36:44 PM
Johann Eduard Hari (born 21 January 1979) is a British journalist who was a columnist at The Independent and The Huffington Post, and contributed to several other publications. In 2011, Hari admitted to plagiarism, was suspended from The Independent and surrendered his 2008 Orwell Prize. He also admitted to making Wikipedia edits, under a pseudonym, to attack his critics, and has said that he plans to undergo training in journalism ethics. In 2012 his website announced he was not returning to The Independent because he was writing a book.


Holy farking Sagan. That's the farking author (David Rose is his pseudonym)?!?!? What the hell kind of two-bit news outfit would ever hire a guy like that? Aren't there other aspiring journalists in the world - at least one other person to hire? He can't be the last farking one, can he?
 
2012-01-29 03:37:45 PM
So global warming means we're all going to fry to death, except for when it means we're all going to freeze to death. How about the sky? Find any chunks of it on the ground lately?
 
2012-01-29 03:39:57 PM
St_Francis_P: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 471x317]

/Corrected for Ninjas.


That chart is obsolete. Come back with corrections for the Somali pirates and the pending ice age
 
2012-01-29 03:39:57 PM
Godamnlimey:
So yesterday the UK was going to be the new south of France and today they'll be ice skating on the Thames .
/Brought to you by the ministry of pulling things out of my ass.

The only people saying it is going to be hotter in the decade-range future are those still pushing the carbon dioxide hoax. Reality, and actual science, (you know, the one that DOESN'T involve the U.N. and rigged "votes" of scientists?) indicate that solar activity is the major short-term controller of temperature. And, the MAGNETIC activity of the Sun, which correlates very well with the electromagnetic energy output, modulates the amount of cosmic rays that reach the lower atmosphere to generate clouds. So, the magnetic activity of the Sun AMPLIFIES the effects of insolation.

Read the article. It's correct, and draws reasonable conclusions. If predictions about Solar Cycle 25 (the next one) are correct, and it is an incredibly weak one, we will see rather rapid cooling. Our current cycle, 24, it not very impressive, but the last few cycles have been INTENSE. THAT is why we have warmed, not because evil man is not living organically.

We've put up with the warmer alarmists spouting the most ridiculous ideas about science, and "losing" and destroying data, and manufacturing them, and simply lying about them, all to promote a panic that politicians want to use to tax and control. That wouldn't bother me very much, but they went on to continually insult those following what science actually IS, and made being scientifically skeptical equated to following the NAZIs. All this over a falsified hypothesis. WTF?

Well, that's about over. This hoax is rather thoroughly busted, and it's not a moment too soon. We are in an ice age, and every bit of warming we can get we should treasure. We should be putting huge mylar mirrors in space, to reflect more energy onto the surface of the Earth, in a (probably hopeless) attempt to stave off the next massive glaciation. Now THAT is ecological damage. Most of the first world would be bulldozed out of existence by a wall of ice two miles high. If the next one is like the last one, the glaciers would go as far south as Kentucky, just to say "Hi" to Drew, and make sure he has plenty of ice to keep his beer cold.
 
2012-01-29 03:40:35 PM
DesertDemonWY: GAT_00: DesertDemonWY: what NASA GISS "adjustments" look like:
[wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com image 640x1024]

only way they can show a warming trend is to cool the past. farking science, how does it work?

Hey look, someone showed you some graphs! That's nice. I guess data can never be corrected, ever be "corrected" to fit the narrative.

FTFY


Oh wow, you put quotes around it. How quaint. Now run along and tell the RNC you totally disproved climate change.
 
2012-01-29 03:43:42 PM
Smeggy Smurf: St_Francis_P: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 471x317]

/Corrected for Ninjas.

That chart is obsolete. Come back with corrections for the Somali pirates and the pending ice age


It's a little out-of-date, true; but it's one of the few charts that most Farkers can agree on.
 
2012-01-29 03:52:01 PM
Well, at least that will take care of the gorilla infestation.
 
2012-01-29 03:57:00 PM
General Jim, I want to subscribe to your newsletter.

/Great stuff
 
2012-01-29 03:57:08 PM
General GreenJeans:The only people saying it is going to be hotter in the decade-range future are those still pushing the carbon dioxide hoax.

You and your dumbass green comments are always an annoying part of any AGW thread. Yes, that "carbon dioxide hoax". You've got us there. The only ones who say anything about carbon dioxide are just about any climate scientist you ask. But, I forget, they're all in the pay of algore.

Go away and take your #66FF66 tag with you.
 
2012-01-29 04:02:08 PM
This is fast becoming my favorite link.

/choke on it
 
2012-01-29 04:03:20 PM
Oh, daily Fail.

That's not even close to what the study says. Directly from the Met Office press release:

Link (new window)

New research has found that solar output is likely to reduce over the next 90 years but that will not substantially delay expected increases in global temperatures caused by greenhouse gases.

So, like all Murdock news sources, they take what they need out of the source and then ignore the inconvenient remainder.
 
2012-01-29 04:03:27 PM
theorellior: General GreenJeans:The only people saying it is going to be hotter in the decade-range future are those still pushing the carbon dioxide hoax.

You and your dumbass green comments are always an annoying part of any AGW thread. Yes, that "carbon dioxide hoax". You've got us there. The only ones who say anything about carbon dioxide are just about any climate scientist you ask. But, I forget, they're all in the pay of algore.

Go away and take your #66FF66 tag with you.


/If someone really rips your goat, there's always the ignore, list oreo roller.
 
2012-01-29 04:07:50 PM
vygramul:
The thing is, they know they're cherry-picking. But they are running out of scientists who are "skeptics" and just KNOW it can't be true, because it just CAN'T be.

"The thing is," you have to cherry-pick your date range from either about 1850, or 1970-1980 to make it even look like it MIGHT be warming in time with carbon dioxide levels.

On the long term, carbon dioxide levels DO NOT CORRELATE with temperature. In the short term (2-3KY) carbon dioxide levels FOLLOW temperature. Warming drives a bit of carbon dioxide out of the oceans, and cooling allows the oceans to uptake more carbon dioxide. Since carbon dioxide FOLLOWS temperature, it CANNOT be a major controller of temperature.

And, science looks at what IS, not what "should be" or anything else. Just because YOU need an apocalyptic vision to validate your concept of the evil nature of man, don't fark up science with your inadequacies. There are all sorts of religions out there that will tell you how evil man is, and how we are SO going to get punished for it. Some of them even encourage you to flagellate yourself. So, take it OUT of science, and put it BACK in religion where it belongs.
 
2012-01-29 04:08:32 PM
J. Frank Parnell: This is fast becoming my favorite link.

/choke on it


Appears to show normal winter/summer climate cycles. derp.

How about this? (new window) Now the Scottish map-makers responsible for the disappearance of 115,830 square miles of polar ice have admitted publicly they were wrong.
 
2012-01-29 04:08:37 PM
HotIgneous Intruder: /If someone really rips your goat, there's always the ignore, list oreo roller.

The ignore list is for pussies. I just flag single-issue dumbasses like you and General James in peach so I know who I'm dealing with. Sometimes I can just let the retardedness roll off my back, other times I have to say something. Today is a day my patience ran out. It helps that His Jimness thinks his rantings are worthy of coloring. And he's never said anything worthy elsewhere, unlike other peach people. You're fine in other threads, it's just AGW bring out your derp side.

/I love Oreos.
 
2012-01-29 04:14:11 PM
St_Francis_P:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 471x317]

/Corrected for Ninjas.

Ha! Or, should I say "harrrrr?" Well, at least the pirates graph has the advantage of having the two quantities correlate -- carbon dioxide and temperature DON'T correlate. Also, with increasing Somali pirates, we should be seeing warming tapering off, or turning to cooling. Arrrrr, verily, so 'tis. Mayhaps there be somethin' to this here Pirate Graph...
 
2012-01-29 04:14:39 PM
I POSTED THAT BEFORE IN A SIMILAR THREAD AND IT WAS DROWNED OUT BY YOUR BICKERING THERE AS WELL. SO I HOPE YOU'LL EXCUSE THIS YELLING

THIS IS CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN TOLD ABOUT ARCTIC ICE MELTING AND GLOBAL WARMING IS COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLshiat:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c27_1327015448

PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO HOW THE MELT HAPPENS EVERY SUMMER THEN RECOVERS. THE SOUTH POLE GROWS WHILE THE NORTH MELTS AND VISE VERSA. AND HOW THERE HAS BEEN ZERO CHANGE IN THIS PROCESS.

/storms off
 
2012-01-29 04:15:06 PM
Oh cool this thread again. Yes, I agree with all of you and am very swayed. Scientists who have dedicated their lives to this subject have spent countless hours thinking and investigating the subject. But I'm sure the Fark Intellectual Elite in here totally know better.

And I know when I want to know things about science, I turn to the Daily Mail as a reputable source.
 
2012-01-29 04:15:47 PM
theorellior: I just flag single-issue dumbasses like you and General James in peach so I know who I'm dealing with.

I post all over fark, time permitting (some of us have lives beyond this). I'm far from a single-issue poster. But science is science and camp followers are camp followers. The CO2 toadies see their science and careers through lenses of a single color, that of peer acceptance and job security. Science sees what is, not what you think it will be, as defined by group delusion, which in this case is strangely similar to religion.
 
2012-01-29 04:16:42 PM
Aw jeez, I always feel inadequate in global warming threads since I never have a graph on hand to show how I'm right.
 
2012-01-29 04:17:14 PM
GeneralJim: St_Francis_P: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 471x317]

/Corrected for Ninjas.
Ha! Or, should I say "harrrrr?" Well, at least the pirates graph has the advantage of having the two quantities correlate -- carbon dioxide and temperature DON'T correlate. Also, with increasing Somali pirates, we should be seeing warming tapering off, or turning to cooling. Arrrrr, verily, so 'tis. Mayhaps there be somethin' to this here Pirate Graph...


Whoa, scary I agree with GeneralJim. Saying carbon dioxide and temperature correlate would be borderline dishonest as it implies a mere correlation. It's actually known to be a causal relationship.
 
2012-01-29 04:18:28 PM
no sign of any of the warmers on this thread???
 
2012-01-29 04:19:57 PM
/Step 1: Attack and discredit the authors or the paper or article.

/BTW, AGW threads are why I joined fark
 
2012-01-29 04:21:35 PM
HotIgneous Intruder: /Step 1: Attack and discredit the authors or the paper or article.

It is funny how the global warming deniers always do that, isn't it?

HotIgneous Intruder: /BTW, AGW threads are why I joined fark

We already know.
 
2012-01-29 04:22:43 PM
HotIgneous Intruder: The CO2 toadies see their science and careers through lenses of a single color, that of peer acceptance and job security. Science sees what is, not what you think it will be, as defined by group delusion, which in this case is strangely similar to religion.

You keep saying these things, but they're patently not true. There's no payout at the end of the rainbow for acklowledging that the carbon cycle is a critical key to temperature regulation in the atmosphere. This has been known since the days of Lord Kelvin, for crissake. And it has never been disputed until the rise in basal temperature made people say, maybe we should do something about this, which got the defenders of the status quo up in arms, because their business is unearthing sequestered carbon from fossil deposits.

I don't understand, frankly, you're a reasonably intelligent guy, but mention AGW and you go ballistic.
 
2012-01-29 04:24:04 PM
J. Frank Parnell: AND HOW THERE HAS BEEN ZERO CHANGE IN THIS PROCESS.

Are you watching the same video I am?
 
2012-01-29 04:25:23 PM
HotIgneous Intruder: /Step 1: Attack and discredit the authors or the paper or article.

/BTW, AGW threads are why I joined fark


I've heard about sock puppets like you. Good to see that your kind are coming to fark as well - normally I just see you sock puppets on sites like CNN.

I especially like how you claimed that seeking consensus on an issue is just like religion. Good troll!
 
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