needs more head...

ZAZ: business owner complaining that his employee

Their boss, which is a brewing company isn't apparently aware you should charge them based on the volume of beer sold, not the number of pint glasses filled.

I find it hard to believe this story is true as told...the Mirror isn't exactly a reputable news source. A brewery owner shows up at a pub at 8:30 on New Year's Eve and announces he's shutting it down? If that's true, this brewery owner appears to be mentally impaired, because that's a great way to get yourself killed, and even if that doesn't happen, it's a great way to get huge amounts of the kind of negative publicity that can seriously damage your business.

How does this not have the tag?

This guy should be rewarded for taking proper care of his customers...

ZAZ: What I got was a business owner complaining that his employees were selling 460 ml of product for the price of 430 ml.

No, what you got was a business owner making customers pay for 460ml and then firing their employees for actually serving them 460ml (instead of 30ml of "head").

One of the underlying issues that may not be obvious is that a few years back, the UK adopted EU regulations on beverage volumes, and many pubs (the majority of which, today, are fetid chain establishments -- the Starbucks of beer, so to speak -- owned by the breweries themselves) had to abandon their traditional English pint glasses for these slimmer metric jobbies.

At smaller independently-owned pubs, you sometimes get friendly publicans who will pour a "real pint" for their regulars. At one of these cookie-cutter chain pubs, doing that would be akin to a McDonald's employee adding meat to a burger order just 'cause he wanted to, and with the same (predictable) result to both employee's current job status and employer's bottom line.

WhyteRaven74: ZAZ: business owner complaining that his employee

Their boss, which is a brewing company isn't apparently aware you should charge them based on the volume of beer sold, not the number of pint glasses filled.

No kidding. Hell, if it's proper draft beer, it's sold in kegs in any event. Any brewery with half a brain would be thrilled that the bar is supplying more per pint, means they have to buy new kegs more often. That, combined with

Kibbler: I find it hard to believe this story is true as told...the Mirror isn't exactly a reputable news source. A brewery owner shows up at a pub at 8:30 on New Year's Eve and announces he's shutting it down? If that's true, this brewery owner appears to be mentally impaired, because that's a great way to get yourself killed, and even if that doesn't happen, it's a great way to get huge amounts of the kind of negative publicity that can seriously damage your business.

tells me that this is complete BS.

I'd rather have the beer on the left.

ZAZ: Pete, 48, and Debbie, 47, say they have been told they owe brewing firm Samuel Smith £10,733 in lost stock for topping up customers' pints.

I expected a tale of anti-drinking regulators gone mad. What I got was a business owner complaining that his employees were selling 460 ml of product for the price of 430 ml.

At the pub a few blocks away from my apartment, they sell "pints" from the beers on draft, but don't specify how much is a pint. So depending on who is serving, it could mean 95% of the cup is full, and sometimes I worry about picking up the cup because it could spill over like what they do in TFA.

ZAZ: I expected a tale of anti-drinking regulators gone mad. What I got was a business owner complaining that his employees were selling 460 ml of product for the price of 430 ml.

A pint is 568ml, you lightweight.

The people can fight back with one of these: Beer Gauge (new window)

Last Man on Earth: WhyteRaven74: ZAZ: business owner complaining that his employee

Their boss, which is a brewing company isn't apparently aware you should charge them based on the volume of beer sold, not the number of pint glasses filled.

No kidding. Hell, if it's proper draft beer, it's sold in kegs in any event. Any brewery with half a brain would be thrilled that the bar is supplying more per pint, means they have to buy new kegs more often. That, combined with

Kibbler: I find it hard to believe this story is true as told...the Mirror isn't exactly a reputable news source. A brewery owner shows up at a pub at 8:30 on New Year's Eve and announces he's shutting it down? If that's true, this brewery owner appears to be mentally impaired, because that's a great way to get yourself killed, and even if that doesn't happen, it's a great way to get huge amounts of the kind of negative publicity that can seriously damage your business.

tells me that this is complete BS.

The brewery owns the pub. In American the story is "bar owner fires employees for giving away beer".

WhyteRaven74: ZAZ: business owner complaining that his employee

Their boss, which is a brewing company isn't apparently aware you should charge them based on the volume of beer sold, not the number of pint glasses filled.

He probably provides the beer for a percentage of the profit. This way he'd be supplying more beer at lower prices, messing with his bottom line. It is a weird way to do business but then again, the altercation supposedly happened on half past eight on New Year's Eve.

Rufus Lee King: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x287]

Oh Andy Capp! You lovable, wife-beating drunk!

rebelyell2006: At the pub a few blocks away from my apartment, they sell "pints" from the beers on draft, but don't specify how much is a pint. So depending on who is serving, it could mean 95% of the cup is full, and sometimes I worry about picking up the cup because it could spill over like what they do in TFA.

All beer glasses in Britain are clearly marked with a big white line which says "one pint". It's the law.

There's room above the line for a head. That area shouldn't have any beer in it.

To complicate things: There's another sort of pint glass for things with no head, eg. cider. They have no white line painted on them and are supposed to be filled to overflowing.

/Worked in a UK pub when I was a student.

YouSirAreAMaroon:

The brewery owns the pub. In American the story is "bar owner fires employees for giving away beer".

That makes much more sense.

I was trying to figure out why a supplier was complaining about the volume of beer sold by a vendor.

Millionaire brewery owner Humphrey Smith turned up at the pub at 8.30pm on New Year's Eve and told the Gibsons in front of astonished customers that he was shutting it.

Millionaire brewery owner Humphrey Smith is a giant farking dick.

suid: No, what you got was a business owner making customers pay for 460ml and then firing their employees for actually serving them 460ml (instead of 30ml of "head").

Nope.

English "beer glasses" are designed with enough space for the head. You don't fill them to the top.

Sir Roderick Glossop: Rufus Lee King: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x287]

Oh Andy Capp! You lovable, wife-beating drunk!

She started enough of the rows and fought back hard enough that they were a bit more equal in that regards.

Though I'm not convinced of her sammich-making skills.

Copper Spork: ZAZ: I expected a tale of anti-drinking regulators gone mad. What I got was a business owner complaining that his employees were selling 460 ml of product for the price of 430 ml.

A pint is 568ml, you lightweight.

That's 20 fl oz in a pint, not 16.

Remember, you yanks can't get your fluid ounces right either.

:-D

Joce678: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 461x614]

Huh. So why are there laws regarding the size of a pint?

YouSirAreAMaroon: The brewery owns the pub. In American the story is "bar owner fires employees for giving away beer not cheating the customers".

FTFY.

Are they guilty of not watering down the whiskey, too?

rebelyell2006: Joce678: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 461x614]

Huh. So why are there laws regarding the size of a pint?

Beer. Serious business.

Nothing worse than serving a high octane beer in a pint glass. (new window)

YouSirAreAMaroon: Last Man on Earth: WhyteRaven74: ZAZ: business owner complaining that his employee

Their boss, which is a brewing company isn't apparently aware you should charge them based on the volume of beer sold, not the number of pint glasses filled.

No kidding. Hell, if it's proper draft beer, it's sold in kegs in any event. Any brewery with half a brain would be thrilled that the bar is supplying more per pint, means they have to buy new kegs more often. That, combined with

Kibbler: I find it hard to believe this story is true as told...the Mirror isn't exactly a reputable news source. A brewery owner shows up at a pub at 8:30 on New Year's Eve and announces he's shutting it down? If that's true, this brewery owner appears to be mentally impaired, because that's a great way to get yourself killed, and even if that doesn't happen, it's a great way to get huge amounts of the kind of negative publicity that can seriously damage your business.

tells me that this is complete BS.

The brewery owns the pub. In American the story is "bar owner fires employees for giving away beer".

YouSirAreATwat.

Free pour isn't free.

opiumpoopy: Copper Spork: ZAZ: I expected a tale of anti-drinking regulators gone mad. What I got was a business owner complaining that his employees were selling 460 ml of product for the price of 430 ml.

A pint is 568ml, you lightweight.

That's 20 fl oz in a pint, not 16.

Remember, you yanks can't get your fluid ounces right either.

:-D


1 pint [US, liquid] = 16 ounce [US, liquid]
1 pint [UK] = 20 ounce [UK, liquid]
1 pint [US, liquid] = 16.653 483 693 ounce [UK, liquid]
1 pint [UK] = 19.215 198 808 ounce [US, liquid]
1 pint [US, dry] = 18.618 355 102 ounce [US, liquid]
1 pint [US, dry] = 19.378 779 567 ounce [UK, liquid]

I can't do all that math when I'm out drinking. Someone's just going to have to tell me when I'm drunk. They usually do.

opiumpoopy: Copper Spork: ZAZ: I expected a tale of anti-drinking regulators gone mad. What I got was a business owner complaining that his employees were selling 460 ml of product for the price of 430 ml.

A pint is 568ml, you lightweight.

That's 20 fl oz in a pint, not 16.

Remember, you yanks can't get your fluid ounces right either.

:-D

Our ounces are bigger than your ounces, so :-P

Reminds me of the time I had a pint with Queen Elizabeth. The glasses were full then, let me tell you. Then Ho Chi Minh showed up, and we switched to cheap rice wine and chased it with gin.

/I sent a cable to Bob and Mac
//let them know I was comin' back

petty bastards!

So, in the UK the pubs are owned by the breweries?

Are there no laws against vertical integration in the UK?

I guess the romantic image in US media of British pubs being cozy, quaint corner hangouts that are mom & pop joints is a little like the US diner that's a tiny local joint. . .they still exist but for every one there are a dozen chain eateries like O'Charlies and Applebees or fast food places like McDonalds and Wendys.

Joce678: rebelyell2006: At the pub a few blocks away from my apartment, they sell "pints" from the beers on draft, but don't specify how much is a pint. So depending on who is serving, it could mean 95% of the cup is full, and sometimes I worry about picking up the cup because it could spill over like what they do in TFA.

All beer glasses in Britain are clearly marked with a big white line which says "one pint". It's the law.

There's room above the line for a head. That area shouldn't have any beer in it.

To complicate things: There's another sort of pint glass for things with no head, eg. cider. They have no white line painted on them and are supposed to be filled to overflowing.

/Worked in a UK pub when I was a student.

Measured pours are pure evil.

rebelyell2006: Joce678: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 461x614]

Huh. So why are there laws regarding the size of a pint?

Huh? The law is what put that line on the glass.

Silverstaff: So, in the UK the pubs are owned by the breweries?

Pretty much.