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2012-01-29 12:19:26 PM  
i watched about 30 minutes of the Rep debate yesterday while at the gym (26 minutes). While i found all of them annoying, the one i wanted to punch the most was Romney.

Republicans want the US to be a third world country which they can rule from luxurious compounds (we'll call them castles). They will get to this via corporatism or libertarianism.
 
2012-01-29 12:21:46 PM  

GoldSpider: winterwhile: Lenny_da_Hog: winterwhile:

I don't mind the drool, but don't threadjack.

sorry, no drinking allowed... kinda sucks to be me right now

Truer words have never been posted to FARK.


I thought the last word he wrote was a bit unnecessary.
 
2012-01-29 12:22:21 PM  

Sabyen91: GoldSpider: winterwhile: Lenny_da_Hog: winterwhile:

I don't mind the drool, but don't threadjack.

sorry, no drinking allowed... kinda sucks to be me right now

Truer words have never been posted to FARK.

I thought the last word he wrote was a bit unnecessary.


Or last two, I should say.
 
2012-01-29 12:24:45 PM  
Obama killin my brain

300 brain cells out of work

best part.......drumroll.......its forever
 
2012-01-29 12:25:30 PM  

winterwhile: Obamacare killin my business

best part.... its forever unless we thow the bum out

get the USA back to work, throw a dem-o-rat under the bus


How exactly? Because now you get a tax break for giving your employees healthcare that you didn't get before?

If you didn't give you employees healthcare then it costs you more but F you because WE were paying for your employees healthcare.
 
2012-01-29 12:31:23 PM  
Another thread, another update from the CEO of "Winterwhile and Sons Fictitious Widget Corp." 0bongo has been running you out of business for the last three years. You must be a masterful businessperson to withstand the daily onslaught you suffer at his cold, merciless, dem-o-rat hands all while having the time to complain about it on this forum under this and other accounts.
 
2012-01-29 12:31:44 PM  

CapnBlues: BladBoy: What is it about healthcare that makes Republicans so mad? Don't they ever get sick?

I think it's mostly not wanting to contribute to the greater good of anyone they deem as somehow unworthy of inclusion in Their America. This includes minorities, but also poor white trash types. They want a sort of social darwinism to selectively favor the people they like. A selective breeding program, if you will.


No, it's because they know the government is going to fark it up worse.
 
2012-01-29 12:37:32 PM  

s2s2s2: CapnBlues: BladBoy: What is it about healthcare that makes Republicans so mad? Don't they ever get sick?

I think it's mostly not wanting to contribute to the greater good of anyone they deem as somehow unworthy of inclusion in Their America. This includes minorities, but also poor white trash types. They want a sort of social darwinism to selectively favor the people they like. A selective breeding program, if you will.

No, it's because they know the government is going to fark it up worse.


worse than the private sector has? I find that hard to believe.
 
2012-01-29 12:37:44 PM  

BladBoy: What is it about healthcare that makes Republicans so mad? Don't they ever get sick?


They want the market to ration care. That way spongers and parasites can't get something they don't deserve. Hardworking taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for lazy people who won't work.
 
2012-01-29 12:38:22 PM  
What I don't understand is the narrative of Romney being successful.

Being born rich and staying rich off your family connections shouldn't be upheld as something for ordinary Americans to aspire to, and I don't see how that talking point will hold up in a general election where his opponent is an actual self-made millionaire who was born into a middle class broken home, worked hard and got himself educated, and wrote a couple of best-selling books.
 
2012-01-29 12:40:15 PM  
s2s2s2: it's because they know the government is going to fark it up worse.

Only because they'll make sure of that. It's the problem with the GOP, they want elected office but think government can't do anything right. If you think it can't do anything right, and you want to be a part of it, you are saying you can't do anything right, and thus shouldn't be given the time of day.
 
2012-01-29 12:46:22 PM  
People are still using terms like "dem-o-rats", libtards and spelling "Obama" with a 0?

There are a lot of real reasons why you're laughed at besides the puerile name calling but the puerile name calling doesn't help.
 
2012-01-29 12:47:39 PM  

WhyteRaven74: s2s2s2: it's because they know the government is going to fark it up worse.

Only because they'll make sure of that. It's the problem with the GOP, they want elected office but think government can't do anything right. If you think it can't do anything right, and you want to be a part of it, you are saying you can't do anything right, and thus shouldn't be given the time of day.


you are so great. :)
 
2012-01-29 12:47:57 PM  

udhq: What I don't understand is the narrative of Romney being successful.

Being born rich and staying rich off your family connections shouldn't be upheld as something for ordinary Americans to aspire to, and I don't see how that talking point will hold up in a general election where his opponent is an actual self-made millionaire who was born into a middle class broken home, worked hard and got himself educated, and wrote a couple of best-selling books.


It was all affirmative action. Or something. And he's not even American, so why should Americans be inspired by

oh hell, its' too early to troll. But I have heard the first part of that before.
 
2012-01-29 12:50:53 PM  

udhq: What I don't understand is the narrative of Romney being successful.

Being born rich and staying rich off your family connections shouldn't be upheld as something for ordinary Americans to aspire to, and I don't see how that talking point will hold up in a general election where his opponent is an actual self-made millionaire who was born into a middle class broken home, worked hard and got himself educated, and wrote a couple of best-selling books.



Could you imagine if the situation was reversed and in some crazy alternate universe, Obama was the born with a silver spoon in his mouth child turned corporate raider and destroyer of jobs who became a billionaire and Romney was the middle class kid who actually went to school for something useful and became a modest millionaire? How many times would the word "elitist" be used to describe Obama?
 
2012-01-29 12:52:31 PM  

CapnBlues: s2s2s2: CapnBlues: BladBoy: What is it about healthcare that makes Republicans so mad? Don't they ever get sick?

I think it's mostly not wanting to contribute to the greater good of anyone they deem as somehow unworthy of inclusion in Their America. This includes minorities, but also poor white trash types. They want a sort of social darwinism to selectively favor the people they like. A selective breeding program, if you will.

No, it's because they know the government is going to fark it up worse.

worse than the private sector has? I find that hard to believe.


Not much of a fan of history, eh?
But, it is government doing to bidding of the private sector that causes the problems, so we are both right!
 
2012-01-29 12:54:37 PM  

Bucky Katt: BladBoy: What is it about healthcare that makes Republicans so mad? Don't they ever get sick?

They want the market to ration care. That way spongers and parasites can't get something they don't deserve. Hardworking taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for lazy people who won't work.


But they do already. In the most expensive way possible. And I don't see any of them advocating to deny treatment in ERs until insurance can be proved.
 
2012-01-29 12:54:38 PM  
$ Romoney $
 
2012-01-29 12:55:01 PM  

WhyteRaven74: s2s2s2: it's because they know the government is going to fark it up worse.

Only because they'll make sure of that. It's the problem with the GOP, they want elected office but think government can't do anything right. If you think it can't do anything right, and you want to be a part of it, you are saying you can't do anything right, and thus shouldn't be given the time of day.


If only we could have foreseen that the GOP would somehow regain political influence.;)
 
2012-01-29 12:57:18 PM  
s2s2s2: But, it is government doing to bidding of the private sector that causes the problems, so we are both right!

Well, who do you mean by private sector, the people at large or business entities?
 
2012-01-29 12:57:35 PM  

udhq: What I don't understand is the narrative of Romney being successful.

Being born rich and staying rich off your family connections shouldn't be upheld as something for ordinary Americans to aspire to, and I don't see how that talking point will hold up in a general election where his opponent is an actual self-made millionaire who was born into a middle class broken home, worked hard and got himself educated, and wrote a couple of best-selling books.


Which one of those is the white guy?
 
2012-01-29 12:58:54 PM  
another thread

ruined by

winterwhile's freeform troll poetry

best part......................................forever
 
2012-01-29 01:00:04 PM  

s2s2s2: Not much of a fan of history, eh?


Given that history shows us that public systems work better than private for health care in pretty much every case, uh... Not sure what you're saying here, broseph.
 
2012-01-29 01:04:37 PM  

WhyteRaven74: s2s2s2: But, it is government doing to bidding of the private sector that causes the problems, so we are both right!

Well, who do you mean by private sector, the people at large or business entities?


Big business.

A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: Not much of a fan of history, eh?

Given that history shows us that public systems work better than private for health care in pretty much every case, uh... Not sure what you're saying here, broseph.


I should have been specific: American history.
 
2012-01-29 01:06:36 PM  
s2s2s2: Big business.

Well then the issue is to do right by the people and not big business. Or alternately, take issue with big business for how they do things.
 
2012-01-29 01:06:52 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: another thread

ruined by

winterwhile's freeform troll poetry

best part......................................forever


It lives on ignore for me... All his alts do.
 
2012-01-29 01:06:58 PM  
Ah, here we go.

Putting the mandate on the member provinces (or states) is what we do here in Canada. Our provinces do get a chunk of change earmarked for healthcare by the Fed gov, and then they're expected to come up with the rest. Ironically, this Federal chunk of change is a matter of national discourse just at the moment, but it does work for the most part. Sure, there are exceptions and horror stories here and there, but it seems to be much more efficient than a national-level mandate (such as Britain, with its crumbling NHS).

Romneycare is actually a pretty sensible thing, and any social liberal / fiscal conservative should take a closer look at it. Though I'm a Canuck, I do suggest - given the wage, living cost, and wealth disparities across the States, like there are across Canada's provinces and territories, Romneycare actually makes more sense than Obamacare.

/ but y'know, I'm just an iceback, do watcha want
// Watching American politics is a sad/amusing soap opera for Canadians
 
2012-01-29 01:07:26 PM  

Mugato: People are still using terms like "dem-o-rats", libtards and spelling "Obama" with a 0?

There are a lot of real reasons why you're laughed at besides the puerile name calling but the puerile name calling doesn't help.


They're still using racial slurs from hundreds of years ago and think that the Republican Party of Eisenhower is the same of the one today. We're not dealing with people who should be left alone with open flame, here.
 
2012-01-29 01:09:46 PM  

s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: Not much of a fan of history, eh?

Given that history shows us that public systems work better than private for health care in pretty much every case, uh... Not sure what you're saying here, broseph.

I should have been specific: American history.


Medicare, VA... Still have public systems on the winning side. Sorry, we deal in facts here. You want an echo chamber for right wing lies, you know where WND and Free Republic are.
 
2012-01-29 01:10:29 PM  

WhyteRaven74: s2s2s2: Big business.

Well then the issue is to do right by the people and not big business. Or alternately, take issue with big business for how they do things.


When you limit what governments can do, like protecting big businesses, you limit big businesses' ability to screw the public sector with the government's weener.
 
2012-01-29 01:12:32 PM  

s2s2s2: WhyteRaven74: s2s2s2: Big business.

Well then the issue is to do right by the people and not big business. Or alternately, take issue with big business for how they do things.

When you limit what governments can do, like protecting big businesses, you limit big businesses' ability to screw the public sector with the government's weener.


Or you can regulate business directly and not vastly screw over the citizenry while failing to limit big business in any real way.
 
2012-01-29 01:13:18 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: Not much of a fan of history, eh?

Given that history shows us that public systems work better than private for health care in pretty much every case, uh... Not sure what you're saying here, broseph.

I should have been specific: American history.

Medicare, VA... Still have public systems on the winning side. Sorry, we deal in facts here. You want an echo chamber for right wing lies, you know where WND and Free Republic are.


Good thing we are all in the military. You are dealing in false equivelancies, and no, I don't.
 
2012-01-29 01:14:11 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: WhyteRaven74: s2s2s2: Big business.

Well then the issue is to do right by the people and not big business. Or alternately, take issue with big business for how they do things.

When you limit what governments can do, like protecting big businesses, you limit big businesses' ability to screw the public sector with the government's weener.

Or you can regulate business directly and not vastly screw over the citizenry while failing to limit big business in any real way.


Good luck with that, dreamer. You are not the only one.
 
2012-01-29 01:14:24 PM  

s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: Not much of a fan of history, eh?

Given that history shows us that public systems work better than private for health care in pretty much every case, uh... Not sure what you're saying here, broseph.

I should have been specific: American history.

Medicare, VA... Still have public systems on the winning side. Sorry, we deal in facts here. You want an echo chamber for right wing lies, you know where WND and Free Republic are.

Good thing we are all in the military. You are dealing in false equivelancies, and no, I don't.


You're saying it's "historical" that public health care in the US doesn't work. It absolutely has and does and I provided two examples. Bring those goalposts back.
 
2012-01-29 01:14:46 PM  

s2s2s2: CapnBlues: s2s2s2: CapnBlues: BladBoy: What is it about healthcare that makes Republicans so mad? Don't they ever get sick?

I think it's mostly not wanting to contribute to the greater good of anyone they deem as somehow unworthy of inclusion in Their America. This includes minorities, but also poor white trash types. They want a sort of social darwinism to selectively favor the people they like. A selective breeding program, if you will.

No, it's because they know the government is going to fark it up worse.

worse than the private sector has? I find that hard to believe.

Not much of a fan of history, eh?
But, it is government doing to bidding of the private sector that causes the problems, so we are both right!


Exxon Valdez
BP Gulf Spill
Problems with fracture drilling
Medicare fraud
The CDO / subprime crisis

These things were all brought to you by the private sector. As far as I know, they are part of history. I think the mortgage crisis in particular is worth thinking about -- it was rampant deregulation (done by both parties) that paved the way for the big banks to destroy the economy. The fundamental failing is the same as that which causes people to oppose universal healthcare: a disregard for our common responsibility to each other for each other with each other. From a pragmatic standpoint as well as from a moral/ethical standpoint, we are responsible for our collective welfare.
 
2012-01-29 01:15:00 PM  

s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: WhyteRaven74: s2s2s2: Big business.

Well then the issue is to do right by the people and not big business. Or alternately, take issue with big business for how they do things.

When you limit what governments can do, like protecting big businesses, you limit big businesses' ability to screw the public sector with the government's weener.

Or you can regulate business directly and not vastly screw over the citizenry while failing to limit big business in any real way.

Good luck with that, dreamer. You are not the only one.


Yeah, but I'm right and we're gradually winning.
 
2012-01-29 01:17:51 PM  

s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: Not much of a fan of history, eh?

Given that history shows us that public systems work better than private for health care in pretty much every case, uh... Not sure what you're saying here, broseph.

I should have been specific: American history.

Medicare, VA... Still have public systems on the winning side. Sorry, we deal in facts here. You want an echo chamber for right wing lies, you know where WND and Free Republic are.

Good thing we are all in the military. You are dealing in false equivelancies, and no, I don't.


Because only people in the military get medicare? Failing troll fails... Again
 
2012-01-29 01:19:42 PM  

CapnBlues: s2s2s2: CapnBlues: s2s2s2: CapnBlues: BladBoy: What is it about healthcare that makes Republicans so mad? Don't they ever get sick?

I think it's mostly not wanting to contribute to the greater good of anyone they deem as somehow unworthy of inclusion in Their America. This includes minorities, but also poor white trash types. They want a sort of social darwinism to selectively favor the people they like. A selective breeding program, if you will.

No, it's because they know the government is going to fark it up worse.

worse than the private sector has? I find that hard to believe.

Not much of a fan of history, eh?
But, it is government doing to bidding of the private sector that causes the problems, so we are both right!

Exxon Valdez: drunk captain.
BP Gulf Spill: government regulators failing to do their jobs.
Problems with fracture drilling: government allowing it to happen when they know it's bad.
Medicare fraud: failure to manage their system
The CDO / subprime crisis: government promising banks a covered ass to encourage bad lending practices.



Like I said, government(and alcoholism).
 
2012-01-29 01:20:29 PM  
One of government's jobs is to act as a regulator of the excesses of capitalism. One of my biggest concerns is that there are so many eager to reduce that regulatory role, and so many eager to convert our political system from "One man, one vote" to "One dollar, one vote" (and yes, I'm aware that there are many who think we're already at that point).

Capitalism seeks to maximize profit, not the well-being of people. Occasionally, the two coincide... and often, they contradict.

If government isn't going to act as the watchdog regulating business's excesses, then who is... especially when big business can use its $$$ to game the system?
 
2012-01-29 01:22:48 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: WhyteRaven74: s2s2s2: Big business.

Well then the issue is to do right by the people and not big business. Or alternately, take issue with big business for how they do things.

When you limit what governments can do, like protecting big businesses, you limit big businesses' ability to screw the public sector with the government's weener.

Or you can regulate business directly and not vastly screw over the citizenry while failing to limit big business in any real way.

Good luck with that, dreamer. You are not the only one.

Yeah, but I'm right and we're gradually winning.


You are right that I am right that big business influences government to fark things up. Congratulations.

Waxing_Chewbacca: s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: Not much of a fan of history, eh?

Given that history shows us that public systems work better than private for health care in pretty much every case, uh... Not sure what you're saying here, broseph.

I should have been specific: American history.

Medicare, VA... Still have public systems on the winning side. Sorry, we deal in facts here. You want an echo chamber for right wing lies, you know where WND and Free Republic are.

Good thing we are all in the military. You are dealing in false equivelancies, and no, I don't.

Because only people in the military get medicare? Failing troll fails... Again


Medicare is a bad example, so I didn't address it.
Truly you are victorious.
 
2012-01-29 01:22:57 PM  

s2s2s2: Like I said, government(and alcoholism).


That comment gave me whiplash.

Hold on a sec, let me get this straight: The Free Market would've solved the issues that CapnBlues pointed out if only the government hadn't made regulations that they didn't successfully enforce and so the Free Market got away with ignoring?

I am not nearly drunk enough for this logic.
 
2012-01-29 01:23:18 PM  

CapnBlues: BladBoy: What is it about healthcare that makes Republicans so mad? Don't they ever get sick?

I think it's mostly not wanting to contribute to the greater good of anyone they deem as somehow unworthy of inclusion in Their America. This includes minorities, but also poor white trash types. They want a sort of social darwinism to selectively favor the people they like. A selective breeding program, if you will.


Circle gets the square.
 
2012-01-29 01:24:21 PM  

winterwhile: Obamacare killin my business

best part.... its forever unless we thow the bum out

get the USA back to work, throw a dem-o-rat under the bus


Sounds like you have a shiatty business model if you can't adapt to change.

Social darwinism and all that.

BTW: You never did tell us what your small business consists of did you?
 
2012-01-29 01:25:13 PM  

A Terrible Human: if i post stupid shiat long enough

with this kind of format

will you all please give me the attention i crave???????


Your post needs more question marks.
 
2012-01-29 01:25:49 PM  

starsrift: s2s2s2: Like I said, government(and alcoholism).

That comment gave me whiplash.

Hold on a sec, let me get this straight: The Free Market would've solved the issues that CapnBlues pointed out if only the government hadn't made regulations that they didn't successfully enforce and so the Free Market got away with ignoring?

I am not nearly drunk enough for this logic.


Perhaps your hallucinating that I said anything about free markets is your problem. Alcoholism strikes again.
 
2012-01-29 01:27:50 PM  
All my chick-fil-a nuggets are gone.

worst part??????????????????????????????????

forever
 
2012-01-29 01:28:36 PM  

Mr. Mikey: One of government's jobs is to act as a regulator of the excesses of capitalism. One of my biggest concerns is that there are so many eager to reduce that regulatory role, and so many eager to convert our political system from "One man, one vote" to "One dollar, one vote" (and yes, I'm aware that there are many who think we're already at that point).

Capitalism seeks to maximize profit, not the well-being of people. Occasionally, the two coincide... and often, they contradict.

If government isn't going to act as the watchdog regulating business's excesses, then who is... especially when big business can use its $$$ to game the system?


Very well said
 
2012-01-29 01:30:00 PM  

Mrtraveler01: All my chick-fil-a nuggets are gone.

worst part??????????????????????????????????

forever


How did you get chick-fil-a on a Sunday? Leftovers?
 
2012-01-29 01:30:06 PM  

s2s2s2: Perhaps your hallucinating that I said anything about free markets is your problem. Alcoholism strikes again.


I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that there was a middle ground between a free market(defined as not being bound by government regulation) and a market adjudicated by government regulations. I thought it was either one or the other. Please, elucidate upon this third kind of market.
 
2012-01-29 01:30:11 PM  

s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: WhyteRaven74: s2s2s2: Big business.

Well then the issue is to do right by the people and not big business. Or alternately, take issue with big business for how they do things.

When you limit what governments can do, like protecting big businesses, you limit big businesses' ability to screw the public sector with the government's weener.

Or you can regulate business directly and not vastly screw over the citizenry while failing to limit big business in any real way.

Good luck with that, dreamer. You are not the only one.

Yeah, but I'm right and we're gradually winning.

You are right that I am right that big business influences government to fark things up. Congratulations.

Waxing_Chewbacca: s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: A Dark Evil Omen: s2s2s2: Not much of a fan of history, eh?

Given that history shows us that public systems work better than private for health care in pretty much every case, uh... Not sure what you're saying here, broseph.

I should have been specific: American history.

Medicare, VA... Still have public systems on the winning side. Sorry, we deal in facts here. You want an echo chamber for right wing lies, you know where WND and Free Republic are.

Good thing we are all in the military. You are dealing in false equivelancies, and no, I don't.

Because only people in the military get medicare? Failing troll fails... Again

Medicare is a bad example, so I didn't address it.
Truly you are victorious.


Yes. Yes I am.
Anyway...

Why was it bad example?
 
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