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(Seattle Weekly)   Irish distillery unveils 65% ABV version of poitin, hopes to export it to USA. "We want to bring Poitín out from the shadows and let Irish people have a national white spirit they can be proud of"   (blogs.seattleweekly.com ) divider line
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2012-01-29 08:42:44 AM  
That's racist
 
2012-01-29 08:45:27 AM  
65% ABV? How the hell do you taste anything else then?
 
2012-01-29 08:50:27 AM  
"We want to bring Poitín out from the shadows and let Irish people have a national white spirit they can be proud of"

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Great white spirit? Don't we already have St. Patrick?
 
2012-01-29 08:50:55 AM  
Irish fly.
 
2012-01-29 09:21:09 AM  
Nice. I had real poitin when in Ireland. Good lord, that stuff was potent.
 
2012-01-29 09:30:12 AM  
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2012-01-29 09:30:44 AM  
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/ DNRTFA
 
2012-01-29 09:45:46 AM  

tomWright: That's racist



tiny fist, it shakes....
 
2012-01-29 09:48:09 AM  
"We want to bring Poitín out from the shadows and let Irish people have a national white spirit they can be proud of"

2.bp.blogspot.com

They all ready do fella
 
2012-01-29 09:48:12 AM  
For a quick Mick to English translation: Poitin is usually spelled Poteen and pronounced Poe-cheen and translated to American English as "moonshine"
 
2012-01-29 09:52:05 AM  
So it's produced by the Irish and made by a company named Cooley's. Railroad builder trifecta in play if this catches on in the ghetto?
 
2012-01-29 09:52:31 AM  
I've had the stuff. Ireland should stick to whiskey and Guinness.
 
2012-01-29 09:59:43 AM  
I already have a bottle of potcheen, tastes something ugly. It's been sitting in the back of my freezer for some time.
 
2012-01-29 10:01:22 AM  
Sounds like something the Dropkick Murphy's would write a song about.
 
2012-01-29 10:09:53 AM  

Another Government Employee: Sounds like something the Dropkick Murphy's would write a song about.


Please don't give them any ideas.
 
2012-01-29 10:10:09 AM  
Meh... 130 proof?
Everclear is 190 proof (95% ABV)
/lightweights
 
2012-01-29 10:40:13 AM  

Another Government Employee: Sounds like something the Dropkick Murphy's would write a song about.


They've been beaten to the punch by about 125 years, or so.

Let grasses grow and waters flow
In a free and easy way
But give me enough of the rare old stuff
That's made near Galway Bay
Come gougers all from Donegal,
Sligo and Leitrim too
We'll give them the slip and we'll take a sip
Of the real old mountain dew.

There's a neat little still at the foot of the hill
Where the smoke curls up to the sky
By a whiff of the smell you can plainly tell
That there's poteen boys close by.
For it fills the air with a perfume rare
And betwixt both me and you
As home we roll, we can drink a bowl
Or a bucketful of mountain dew.

Now learned men as use the pen
Have writ' the praises high
Of the sweet poteen from Ireland green
That's made from wheat and rye
Away with your pills, it'll cure all ills
Be ye pagan, Christian, or Jew
So take off your coat and grease your throat
With a bucket of the mountain dew.


Link (new window)

/hi dee diddley idle dum, hi dee doodle dydle dum, hi dee doo dye diddly aye day
 
2012-01-29 10:52:05 AM  

tomWright: That's racist


I am going to sound like an ignorant sow for asking this, but why is it not OK for a white person to take pride in being white? No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer.
 
2012-01-29 10:56:34 AM  

Sarah Palin's Conscience: tomWright: That's racist

I am going to sound like an ignorant sow for asking this, but why is it not OK for a white person to take pride in being white? No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer.


I've always assumed, that like so many other things throughout history, a few asshats ruined that for the everyone else.
 
2012-01-29 11:39:59 AM  

Sarah Palin's Conscience: tomWright: That's racist

I am going to sound like an ignorant sow for asking this, but why is it not OK for a white person to take pride in being white? No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer.


It's the equivalent of being a "bad sport". Taking "pride" in being white is equivalent to saying "In your face!" to minorities.

It's just not nice. Isn't that obvious?

Of course, taking "pride" in your race is a stupid, backward, racist idea in general, but that's a different discussion.
 
2012-01-29 11:41:49 AM  

Sarah Palin's Conscience: why is it not OK for a white person to take pride in being white?


Ethnic pride among white people and surrounds you. But conservatives love to play the victim and lash out at anything NOT celebrating the dominant group.

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2012-01-29 11:52:41 AM  

realmolo: Sarah Palin's Conscience: tomWright: That's racist

I am going to sound like an ignorant sow for asking this, but why is it not OK for a white person to take pride in being white? No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer.

It's the equivalent of being a "bad sport". Taking "pride" in being white is equivalent to saying "In your face!" to minorities.

It's just not nice. Isn't that obvious?

Of course, taking "pride" in your race is a stupid, backward, racist idea in general, but that's a different discussion.


Close. Nobody who's taken seriously, objects to various white ethnics celebrating their achievements in the US. Because these are celebrations of actual achievement.

What the "White Pride" movement is more of a temper tantrum about how more minorities are having an influence on mainstream culture. They hate the fact that they have to press 1 for English. They hate the fact that McDonald's will have packets of Salsa.

When they should "Take our country back" they are talking about taking it back for the Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Asians etc.. and giving it to back to the White Christian Southern Males.
 
2012-01-29 12:14:10 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: "We want to bring Poitín out from the shadows and let Irish people have a national white spirit they can be proud of"

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They all ready do fella


And that is why you're favorited.

/Too soon for an ARMBAR?
//Nah, never too soon
///ARMBAR!
 
2012-01-29 12:25:53 PM  
We have a bottle of Poitin in the cabinet. Haven't touched it in years. It is absolutely the most evil liquor in the world. I would rather drink Absinth straight than ever have to taste it again.
 
2012-01-29 12:45:36 PM  

Komplex: When they should "Take our country back" they are talking about taking it back for the Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Asians etc.. and giving it to back to the White Christian Southern Males.


All white Christian southern males are terrible people who should just go ahead and kill themselves because they're so terrible.
 
2012-01-29 12:47:04 PM  

Komplex: When they should "Take our country back" they are talking about taking it back for the Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Asians etc.. and giving it to back to the White Christian Southern Males.


32oz High Life: All white Christian southern males are terrible people who should just go ahead and kill themselves because they're so terrible.


jaytkay: conservatives love to play the victim and lash out

 
2012-01-29 01:15:03 PM  

jaytkay: Komplex: When they should "Take our country back" they are talking about taking it back for the Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Asians etc.. and giving it to back to the White Christian Southern Males.

32oz High Life: All white Christian southern males are terrible people who should just go ahead and kill themselves because they're so terrible.

jaytkay: conservatives love to play the victim and lash out


As a white Christian southern male I'm really getting a kick out of some of these replies.

/well, at least white and male

CSB time (and please ignore if you're here to talk about liquor and not race relations): I majored in English Literature as an undergrad in the late 90s/early 00s, which wasn't exactly the most welcoming time to be a white heterosexual man studying literature. Male authors, white ones in particular, were pretty much demonized in every single one of my classes. In some ways I kind of feel that some of the resentment that my classmates (who were mostly white females) had against male authors was sort of displaced onto me during class discussions, despite the fact that I had no real choice in the matter of which race and gender I was born into. I mostly just let it slide off though because I realized that white/gay/Eskimo/whatever we all have something in common, and that commonality is that we're all suspicious of the motives of people who are not members of the same race/gender/sexual orientation/income bracket. I'm still a liberal, so that worked out just fine in the end. However, I'm not an English major anymore, as I saw the error of my ways and went back to school for a Ph.D. in Engineering which has paid off quite well (especially as a white male, so thank you white privilege, I guess).
 
2012-01-29 01:24:58 PM  

jaytkay: Komplex: When they should "Take our country back" they are talking about taking it back for the Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Asians etc.. and giving it to back to the White Christian Southern Males.

32oz High Life: All white Christian southern males are terrible people who should just go ahead and kill themselves because they're so terrible.

jaytkay: conservatives love to play the victim and lash out


It really does write itself, doesn't it?


realmolo: Of course, taking "pride" in your race is a stupid, backward, racist idea in general, but that's a different discussion.


+1

The accomplishments of one person, or even group of people in no way reflect upon yourself unless you were that person/group. Sharing a flesh tone or country of origin doesn't grant you any share of which to be proud. Not only that, you don't get your pick of ethnicity. You didn't do anything to be what you are. You have nothing to be proud of in regards to where you came from. Accidents of birth do not qualify as reasons to be prideful.

All of that being said, there is a very real reason to be happy when, as an oppressed class, someone from your same class manages to do something great. It provides evidence that being one thing does not preclude you from greatness. Oprah and Obama could never have existed just 100 years ago. Yet here they are as examples of what is possible for women and "blacks". (I really hate racial terms) This really is one of those times the Fark filter is appropriate: "Successful and Attractive African American." (hate racial qualifiers as well...) But here we are, with icons of possibility for young people who would historically be held down and refused participation. Oprah's success doesn't lend you any benefits, but it does set the precedent. You can be rich and powerful regardless as to whether you are a woman or of an historically oppressed ethnicity. Obama proves that, while there is going to be a great amount of friction, you can even be president (sorry girls, we're still not there yet*).

* Yes, that's a joke. Hillary could have been our first female president had she not a) been running against a personality cult and b) not been Hillary Clinton.

tl;dr - Shove your unearned pride up your ass. People who look like you or came from your social standing are trail blazers, not personal avatars.
 
2012-01-29 01:33:25 PM  

Kuroshin: tl;dr - Shove your unearned pride up your ass. People who look like you or came from your social standing are trail blazers, not personal avatars.


Interesting point and obviously well thought out. However, just as sharing a flesh tone or country of origin doesn't grant you any share of which to be proud, sharing a flesh tone or country of origin with someone who did bad things shouldn't give you a reason to be ashamed.
 
2012-01-29 02:11:05 PM  
Doesn't true Poitín have to be something like 190 proof?

Sort of like real Everclear is 190 proof and not that sissy 151 proof shiat?
 
2012-01-29 02:12:03 PM  
 
2012-01-29 02:14:02 PM  

Sarah Palin's Conscience: tomWright: That's racist

I am going to sound like an ignorant sow for asking this, but why is it not OK for a white person to take pride in being white? No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer.


Irish are not white - any late 19th/early20th century eugenicist could have told you that. White means Anglo-Saxon, maybe other Germanic, very maybe French. Irish are a sort of passing untermenschen - they look superficially like real people, but really just hopped-up vermin mimicking their betters (think viceroy and monarch butterflies). We could give them their own History Month, but really, what are you going to fill it with? "Patty O'Brien got really drunk, ate a potato, and worshiped the Pope"? Followed by "Seamus O'Rourke got really drunk, ate a potato, and worshiped the Pope"? "Mary Margaret Finnegan got really drunk, ate a potato, and worshiped the Pope"? Thirty days of that would bore anyone, even those with the underdeveloped brains of the Irish.

/I mean, God Himself gave them a way to be a boon to the world in the 1840s. Did they take it? Nope - kept on living and even spread their virus to America
 
2012-01-29 02:31:33 PM  
I tried some potcheen an uncle brought back from Ireland. It tasted like a punch in the face. I loved that stuff.
 
2012-01-29 04:34:56 PM  
Aren't the Irish the retards of the U.K.?
 
2012-01-29 04:39:16 PM  
Ireland is like the retarded brother who tried living independently but made a great big hash of it.
 
2012-01-29 05:13:44 PM  
Eh every time I go to Grand Cayman I bring back 2 liters of Tortuga 140 proof rum. Tastes great and can make for some awesome times when the receiving party gets it in their rum runners without them knowing.
 
2012-01-29 05:44:55 PM  
You know who else wanted people to have a national white spirit of which they could be proud?
 
2012-01-29 05:52:16 PM  

Sarah Palin's Conscience: tomWright: That's racist

I am going to sound like an ignorant sow for asking this, but why is it not OK for a white person to take pride in being white? No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer.


Because there is no such thing as "white". "White" as a racial identifier is a moving target that is basically defined by who it excludes rather than who it includes. The Irish, the Italians, the Germans, the Poles, and most especially the Jews were not, at one point considered "white" by those who called themselves that. So in essence "White" really means "not black/brown/other"\

So there really is no "White" heritage or culture to celebrate, so celebrating "white pride" is really celebrating membership in group that defines itself solely by who it excludes
 
2012-01-29 05:56:24 PM  

jaytkay: Sarah Palin's Conscience: why is it not OK for a white person to take pride in being white?

Ethnic pride among white people and surrounds you. But conservatives love to play the victim and lash out at anything NOT celebrating the dominant group.


I am an American Mutt with white skin. I could claim Native American, Hispanic, Hungarian, and Irish heritage. I just have no real ties to that culture.
 
2012-01-29 06:01:22 PM  

Sarah Palin's Conscience: I am an American Mutt with white skin. I could claim Native American, Hispanic, Hungarian, and Irish heritage. I just have no real ties to that culture.


You mean the tightly-knit Native American plus Hispanic plus Hungarian plus Irish culture?
 
2012-01-29 06:10:59 PM  
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Poitin?
 
2012-01-29 06:50:08 PM  

Sarah Palin's Conscience: tomWright: That's racist

I am going to sound like an ignorant sow for asking this, but why is it not OK for a white person to take pride in being white? No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer.


Because its about as dumb as having black pride. The one saving grace for black pride is that you're part of a race that has survived having its teeth kicked in for the past 400 years and has survived to tell the tale.

Being white is no big deal.

/ I'm a republican/ libertarian, too b
 
2012-01-29 08:46:41 PM  
A few college kids will die after drinking it and they'll pull it or change the ABV. Young people ruin everything.
 
2012-01-29 10:37:55 PM  

thalidomide new and improved: Because its about as dumb as having black pride. The one saving grace for black pride is that you're part of a race that has survived having its teeth kicked in for the past 400 years and has survived to tell the tale.


I agree that white pride is just as dumb as saying black pride but I think the black people in the 50s-60s would say the kids today were spoiled in comparison to what they went through, my respect for what black people went through ended in the early 90s when I got called into HR twice for the same girl saying I called her a racial slur. The second time I got called in(a new HR person) I simply asked "Dont you keep files on this kind of shiat? And cant you see shes a vindictive girl who is upset I am her supervisor?" The dumb biatch actually sued the store I worked for after they fired her saying she was only fired because of racism which was dumb because half our staff were black people in local colleges. It was nice to see her end up getting jail time for making false sexual assault charges against her next boss.

And would this Irish drink replace absinthe on the strong drink list? I drank absinthe in france and that shiat will creep up on you and fark you up.
 
2012-01-29 10:43:02 PM  

Im_Gumby: Meh... 130 proof?
Everclear is 190 proof (95% ABV)
/lightweights


I'll drink some Everclear to that!
 
2012-01-29 11:07:44 PM  
As opposed to Ron Paul, who is America's proud white spirit.
 
2012-01-30 12:04:31 AM  

steamingpile: my respect for what black people went through ended in the early 90s when I got called into HR twice for the same girl saying I called her a racial slur. The second time I got called in(a new HR person) I simply asked "Dont you keep files on this kind of shiat? And cant you see shes a vindictive girl who is upset I am her supervisor?" The dumb biatch actually sued the store I worked for after they fired her saying she was only fired because of racism which was dumb because half our staff were black people in local colleges. It was nice to see her end up getting jail time for making false sexual assault charges against her next boss.


This CSB sounds completely legit and I have no doubt it happened exactly as you describe it.
 
2012-01-30 12:32:28 AM  

El Pachuco: steamingpile: my respect for what black people went through ended in the early 90s when I got called into HR twice for the same girl saying I called her a racial slur. The second time I got called in(a new HR person) I simply asked "Dont you keep files on this kind of shiat? And cant you see shes a vindictive girl who is upset I am her supervisor?" The dumb biatch actually sued the store I worked for after they fired her saying she was only fired because of racism which was dumb because half our staff were black people in local colleges. It was nice to see her end up getting jail time for making false sexual assault charges against her next boss.

This CSB sounds completely legit and I have no doubt it happened exactly as you describe it.


I could post links to the AJC from their archives if I really gave a shiat you thought it was lie.
 
2012-01-30 01:43:30 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: 65% ABV? How the hell do you taste anything else then?


Uh, you pretty much don't taste much but the alcohol, because poitin is basically the Irish equivalent of what bourbon-makers refer to in the industry as "white dog" and everyone else refers to as moonshine. :D

(Pretty much, poitin is base neutral spirit that--after aging for a decade or three in barrels--becomes a proper Irish whisky; "white dog" is the base neutral spirit (containing 50% or more corn) that--after aging for anywhere from two years to two or three decades--becomes bourbon. :D In both cases, it's around 125 proof or so when it goes in the barrel.)

(Quite a number of small-batch niche distilleries in Appalachia, as well as at least one major manufacturer of bourbon (Buffalo Trace), sell "white dog" commercially (only Buffalo Trace actually labels it as "white dog", though--the rest sell it as "legal moonshine"); usually it's cut down to about 100 proof, but there is the example of Everclear and Gem Clear and Golden Grain which come in "low strength" (around 140 proof) and "full strength" (about as pure as can be distilled without denaturing agents--190 proof, or 95% alcohol) versions. To my knowledge, nobody's selling "white dog" at barrel proof (125 proof/62% alcohol) and about the only place where "white dog" can be sampled at barrel proof is at the Maker's Mark distillery on their tours; poitin does seem to be sold primarily at barrel proof (130 proof, if my math is right).)
 
2012-01-30 02:03:41 AM  
Haven't had the stuff, but I've had the, erm, American equivalent (both the licit and, erm, "underground distilled" versions); moonshine/"white dog' up to about 130 proof or so mostly tastes like a harsh vodka to me, and I find soaking fruit in it mellows it out considerably (I also find soaking it in charred oak barrels ALSO mellows it considerably, hehe). I'd honestly imagine the same thing in the case of poitin--like a rather rough vodka, probably best as a cordial base if anything.

That said--if possible, I do recommend trying a distillery's "white dog" as part of an aging-series tasting of other whiskys/bourbons from the same distillery; it does give, if nothing else, quite an education on how different periods of aging of the same recipe and different wood agings will influence the flavour. :D This would be my primary interest in poitin, as I imagine with Irish whisky the differences with aging and contrast would be even greater...

I have tried Everclear and Golden Grain at full legal strength (190 proof/95% alcohol) out of curiosity--at THAT strength, I find the stuff tastes (oddly) like alcoholic motor oil; I suspect it's because it's either leached oils out of the corn at that strength or is leaching oils out of the cells of my mouth :D.
 
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