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(Fox News)   In yet another example of President Obama's pusillanimous "do-nothing" behavior, details emerge that Obama went ahead with the Bin Laden raid despite the advice of most of his advisers to back away from the mission   (foxnews.com) divider line 255
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2012-01-28 01:38:33 PM

Usama bin Laden's
Usama bin Laden's
Usama bin Laden's



Also the comments section is so full of derp you really need to wear some kinda derp protective eye wear before looking directly at it. Welders mask might work.
 
2012-01-28 01:39:50 PM
Serious Black: A Dark Evil Omen: Fartbongo is a Dumbocrat, so anything he does is automatically wrong and bad. Success? Breach of international law and risking our relationship with a staunch ally, and also it was Bush's plan anyway. Failure? Big dummy did a stupid thing, that big dummy, and he got American soldiers killed. Bush never would have done something so stupid.

At this point, there is literally nothing in this world that can be done by a Democratic president, or a Democrat in general, that the right-wing will not declare is the WORST. POSSIBLE. THING.

You have no idea how right you are. Example: I know a guy who is a deeply Evangelical Christian and believes in the Prosperity Gospel to a T. I challenged him to name five things that Obama has done or supported that he liked, and to show that I meant business, I named five things that George W. Bush did or supported that I liked. I don't remember the entire list since I can't find it on my Facebook, but I believe two of the things I specifically named were his support of comprehensive immigration reform and his refusal to paint all Muslims as radical terrorists. He refused to name even one thing and insisted that every single action Obama has taken as President was either designed to destroy the country or was done solely to manipulate people into voting for him in 2012 so that he could have two terms to further ensure the country's downfall.


Its the reason why we have such shiatty politicians in government. People complain and want the crazies thrown out and start over and believe that THEN things will be perfect, except they won't. The crazies in government got there because the crazy voters voted them in. If you throw out the current batch of crazy, those same voters will just put in a new batch of crazy. T

he only way to increase the chances of having good politicians in government is to have an informed voting public, and like your guy example, that is an impossibility for some people.
 
2012-01-28 01:44:28 PM
Blairr: I honestly thought OBL was already dead.

You know why he isn't dead? Because I haven't killed him yet.*

content.internetvideoarchive.com

* - OBL's condition recently upgraded to "Dead"
 
2012-01-28 01:45:25 PM
tenpoundsofcheese: apoptotic: FTA: "Biden recalled the scene to illustrate his point that Obama showed leadership and, in his words, has a "backbone like a ramrod."


We all listen to the comments of Biden as if they were the truth. Did he say those comments with an Indian accent?


These are my favorite kind of troll comments.

The article says something good about president Obama, related to taking out the world's #1 terrorist; and the people suffering from "Obama Derangement Syndrome" can do is insult the guy who gave the compliment because he made a silly mistake the week before.

More than anything, THIS is what tells me Obama is going to win a second term.
 
2012-01-28 01:49:26 PM
redmid17: I know you're trolling, but a 401K doesn't have stock shares in it. It only goes up when you put money in it. It's a tax deductible savings account.

No, you're trolling right? You have to be trolling.
 
2012-01-28 01:49:38 PM
PsiChi: Who actually still believes that Obama killed Osama?

The worst thing about this post is that you vote.
 
2012-01-28 01:50:02 PM
mr_a: I am not a big Obama fan, but I give the man credit for ordering that mission. And no, he wasn't in physical danger like the Seals, but political suicide if it screws up. Ask Jimmy Carter.

Or Somalia. Nobody blames Major General William Garrison, the Task Force Ranger commander, for that turning to shiat. They blame Bill Clinton..
 
2012-01-28 01:53:37 PM
EnviroDude: teto85: The President has 99 problems and Bin Laden ain't one of them.

Osama Bin Dead.

When the key to the success of your foreign policy is killing a guy overseas and an American, you don't have much to hang your record on.


i.imgur.com

/thanks, Glenford
 
2012-01-28 01:56:56 PM
hubiestubert: It's this sort of toxic passivity that threatens the entire structure of the government with its ignorance of protocol. By rampaging out of control, with no adherence to civil authority, the Obama Administration's gracile quiescence and submission to Islamic extremists--brought on by his Jihadist education and the fiery rhetoric of Reverend Wright--this President's lack of control, foresight, and compliance to terrorism is a danger to us all, and our military. His use of force puts them into danger, and his lack of support by bringing units to full strength before deploying shows his inability to respond with vigor to threats. Truly, he is America's greatest monster, and should be tried for his war crimes.

Sarah Palin, of course, should assume control of the government, as by the popular decree of the last election, stolen with math and votes last election, and in order to avoid such tragedy in the future, a No Take-Backsie Rule should be implemented immediately. Milk and cookies to be served after, in perpetuity.


You are truly an artist.
 
2012-01-28 02:21:06 PM
Sgt Otter: Or Somalia. Nobody blames Major General William Garrison, the Task Force Ranger commander, for that turning to shiat. They blame Bill Clinton..

They blame (D), you mean.

Dwight Eisenhower (R) ordered the execution of Operation Ajax, overthrowing the legitimate and democratic government of Iran based upon deliberately-fraudulent evidence from the United Kingdom and Central Intelligence Agency, operating on behalf of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. That coup re-installed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as ruler of Iran, instigating an oppressive authoritarian regime that culminated in the 1979 revolution. Jimmy Carter (D) was blamed for the whole thing.

Allen Dulles (R), the architect of Operation Ajax, held significant financial interest in AIOC (known nowadays as BP). Dulles later went on to engineer the 1954 Guatemalan coup on behalf of United Fruit Company (in which he held significant stock and was a board of trustees member), which led to a 12-year-long civil war and multiple crimes against humanity. Blame for this was pinned on John F. Kennedy (D) and Lyndon B. Johnson (D), and later Jimmy Carter (D) when his attempts to reverse covert US military aid and redevelop the country fell short of expectation.

Allen Dulles (R) was also the architect of the Bay of Pigs. Eisenhower, to his credit, refused to allow the Bay of Pigs coup attempt, although John F. Kennedy did. Kennedy (D) was solely blamed for the failure of the Bay of Pigs.

As a sidenote, Allen Dulles (R) along with his brother and other members of the US banking industry, allegedly organized and engineered the sale of American oil (from people like Fred Koch (R) and Prescott Bush (R)) to Nazi Germany, and while serving in the Office of Strategic Services allegedly oversaw covert extraction of wealth and resources from the country to the West.

Just as a bonus niblet, the Afghan trap was originally devised by the Carter administration (D) to lure the Soviet Union into an unwinnable war to put an unsustainable drain on its economy. The Reagan administration (R) took credit, while simultaneously providing aid, relief and training to the Mujahideen. A subset of those guys later formed al-Qaeda and did some shiat you might have heard of. Bill Clinton (D) got blamed for not killing al-Qaeda's leadership despite making the effort and being obstructed by Congress (R), claiming the president was attempting to distract the nation from the Lewinsky scandal.

The guy leading that resistance (R) was having an affair with his wife who had been diagnosed with a medical condition that precedes multiple sclerosis at the time, later divorced her and married the women with whom he was having the affair. He's currently the front runner in the Republican presidential race.
 
2012-01-28 02:37:19 PM
ExperianScaresCthulhu: EnviroDude: teto85: The President has 99 problems and Bin Laden ain't one of them.

Osama Bin Dead.

When the key to the success of your foreign policy is killing a guy overseas and an American, you don't have much to hang your record on.

[i.imgur.com image 640x196]

/thanks, Glenford


Oh, snap!
 
2012-01-28 02:37:46 PM
Blairr: He is utter garbage and anyone with a brain should see him as but a calculating weasel.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-01-28 02:39:26 PM
Vice President Biden claimed Friday that Leon Panetta was the only member of the inner circle who definitively urged President Obama to green-light the raid on Usama bin Laden's compound, as Biden discussed new details about the behind-the-scenes deliberations.

Either a) Obama is surrounded by a bunch of trembling wimps afraid of taking risks or b) Joe Biden is a befuddled, clueless dope who no more knows what went on than he knows Enron from Ener1. Both seem equally likely.
 
2012-01-28 02:40:36 PM
jjorsett: Vice President Biden claimed Friday that Leon Panetta was the only member of the inner circle who definitively urged President Obama to green-light the raid on Usama bin Laden's compound, as Biden discussed new details about the behind-the-scenes deliberations.

Either a) Obama is surrounded by a bunch of trembling wimps afraid of taking risks or b) Joe Biden is a befuddled, clueless dope who no more knows what went on than he knows Enron from Ener1. Both seem equally likely.


Come on jjorsett. Tenpoundsofderp already tried out those talking points. They didn't work.
 
2012-01-28 02:45:18 PM
LOL, I love the shill logic. We need to kill bin Laden except when the black guy does it.

Welcome to the modern Republican Party, where black is white, up is down, and derp is herp.
 
2012-01-28 02:45:52 PM
jjorsett: Either a) Obama is surrounded by a bunch of trembling wimps afraid of taking risks or b) Joe Biden is a befuddled, clueless dope who no more knows what went on than he knows Enron from Ener1. Both seem equally likely.

You forgot c) Obama is a terrifying Sith Lord who imposes his will with his mind.
 
2012-01-28 02:46:38 PM
AirForceVet: Wait, Fox News actually ran a story complimenting President Obama?

/When did Fark freeze over?


You did not read the article the way it was intended to be read.

TFA: Vice President Biden claimed

Definition of claim:

3
a : to assert in the face of possible contradiction : maintain (claimed that he'd been cheated)


Try reading it that way instead.
 
2012-01-28 02:47:38 PM
trotsky: LOL, I love the shill logic. We need to kill bin Laden except when the black guy does it.

Welcome to the modern Republican Party, where black is white, up is down, and derp is herp.


You'd think that after the commentary of "Obama = Osama" and "He'd be the bestest of friends with Osama" that they would faceplant with incredible force when Obama kills the guy. But they managed to spin almost 10 years of treating Osama as the greatest threat to the world into an absolute nobody that didn't matter anymore.
 
2012-01-28 02:49:38 PM
Come on, guys! Keep your story straight!

Until now, the spin was that the sekrit muslin ignored the advice of his military advisors to go after OBL, tried to stop the raid, and was finally shut out of the chain of command, in what amounted to a coup by the patriotic military to bypass the treasonous appeaser-in-chief Zerobama.

Significant push to take him out months ago. Senior WH staff resisted. This was cause of much strain between HC [Hillary Clinton] and Obama/Jarrett. HC and LP [Leon Panetta] were in constant communication over matter - both attempted to convince administration to act. Administration feared failure and resulting negative impact on president. Intel disgusted over politics over national security. Staff resigned/left. Check timeline to corroborate.

Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act - sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the President indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta's failed policy. Again Obama hesitated - this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta.

IMPORTANT SPECIFIC: When 48 hour go order issued, CoC was told, not requested. Administration scrambled to abort. That order was overruled.

...Independent military contacts have confirmed. Stories corroborate one another. This is legit.

I was told - in these exact terms, "we overruled him." (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president's "persistent hesitation to act."


Source (new window)
 
2012-01-28 02:56:30 PM
Parthenogenetic: Source (new window)

Holy balls, that writer is stupid AND manic.
 
2012-01-28 03:00:06 PM
Its the reason why we have such shiatty politicians in government. People complain and want the crazies thrown out and start over and believe that THEN things will be perfect, except they won't. The crazies in government got there because the crazy voters voted them in. If you throw out the current batch of crazy, those same voters will just put in a new batch of crazy. T

he only way to increase the chances of having good politicians in government is to have an informed voting public, and like your guy example, that is an impossibility for some people.


I would like then to see more support on the idea that we need to end this free for all let every farking moron vote, and restrict voting to those citizens that are either intelligent enough to understand issues, or willing to educate themselves. It is true that you get the government you deserve, and by letting stupid people vote we get very stupid politicians and policies. Why don't we let a 12 year old vote? Because we determine they lack the capacity to make an informed decision. Why is it not the same then for someone that ignores not just facts, but reality? People so stupid as to think the most idiotic ideas that even most 12 year olds can understand is rather childish.

If the number one issue of this election becomes Israel, Iran, and the Palestinians, why a then should we let someone make a decision that can not even tell us where Iran is on the map? We have people that can not even tell you not just what the branches of government are, but how many of them. We do not have this massive debt because of idiotic policies per se, but because a good portion of the electorate continues to belief uncritically an economic notion that was proven to be a failure over 25 years ago. Yet they chose the person they would most like to have a beer with, because we all hang around drinking beer with our Presidents right?

Almost every one of us had to take a test to get a driver's license. Would it be so difficult to maybe test the maturity, intelligence, knowledge, and critical thinking skills of people who are deciding our fate? Maybe then political parties won't get away with trying to recruit utter dipshiats like Michelle Bachman, or craven hypocrites that rant about SOCIALISM, then attack the other party for suggesting cuts to socialist programs.

And absolutely if this means I no longer can vote because I can not pass the exam, then I will still be more pleased knowing that the people that are voting are more intelligent. Because right now what the hell is the point anyways when your vote gets negated by the next 3-4 idiots in line who think the President is a Muslim/Radical Christian/Fascist/Marxist/War Tyrant/Appeaser...etc..And we all know there are people that honestly, and in their childlike minds critically think this way (well as much critical thinking as their retarded brains can muster).
 
2012-01-28 03:25:08 PM
ExperianScaresCthulhu: EnviroDude: teto85: The President has 99 problems and Bin Laden ain't one of them.

Osama Bin Dead.

When the key to the success of your foreign policy is killing a guy overseas and an American, you don't have much to hang your record on.

[i.imgur.com image 640x196]

/thanks, Glenford


My ignore message for EnviroDude is just a link to http://oi43.tinypic.com/11alhdx.jpg
 
2012-01-28 03:27:31 PM
hubiestubert: It's this sort of toxic passivity that threatens the entire structure of the government with its ignorance of protocol. By rampaging out of control, with no adherence to civil authority, the Obama Administration's gracile quiescence and submission to Islamic extremists--brought on by his Jihadist education and the fiery rhetoric of Reverend Wright--this President's lack of control, foresight, and compliance to terrorism is a danger to us all, and our military. His use of force puts them into danger, and his lack of support by bringing units to full strength before deploying shows his inability to respond with vigor to threats. Truly, he is America's greatest monster, and should be tried for his war crimes.

Sarah Palin, of course, should assume control of the government, as by the popular decree of the last election, stolen with math and votes last election, and in order to avoid such tragedy in the future, a No Take-Backsie Rule should be implemented immediately. Milk and cookies to be served after, in perpetuity.


that's the best thing you've written. Kudos.~
 
2012-01-28 03:28:33 PM
ExperianScaresCthulhu: EnviroDude: teto85: The President has 99 problems and Bin Laden ain't one of them.

Osama Bin Dead.

When the key to the success of your foreign policy is killing a guy overseas and an American, you don't have much to hang your record on.

[i.imgur.com image 640x196]

/thanks, Glenford


Feel free to use at will. Envirodouche seems to disappear pretty quick.
 
2012-01-28 03:35:30 PM
hubiestubert: It's this sort of toxic passivity that threatens the entire structure of the government with its ignorance of protocol. By rampaging out of control, with no adherence to civil authority, the Obama Administration's gracile quiescence and submission to Islamic extremists--brought on by his Jihadist education and the fiery rhetoric of Reverend Wright--this President's lack of control, foresight, and compliance to terrorism is a danger to us all, and our military. His use of force puts them into danger, and his lack of support by bringing units to full strength before deploying shows his inability to respond with vigor to threats. Truly, he is America's greatest monster, and should be tried for his war crimes.

Sarah Palin, of course, should assume control of the government, as by the popular decree of the last election, stolen with math and votes last election, and in order to avoid such tragedy in the future, a No Take-Backsie Rule should be implemented immediately. Milk Soda and cookies to be served after, in perpetuity.


Milk would be too healthy; it sounds like the kinda thing Michelle Obama would insist on. Otherwise, brilliant!
 
2012-01-28 03:36:53 PM
trotsky: LOL, I love the shill logic. We need to kill bin Laden except when the black guy does it.

Welcome to the modern Republican Party, where black is white, up is down, and derp is herp.


Equating any criticism of the president with "because a black guy did it" is intellectually lazy.

/better hope the next democratic president is some kind of minority. It's going to be hard to maintain the "republicans only pick on democrats because they're black" when we get a white democrat in office.
 
2012-01-28 03:39:59 PM
chimp_ninja: mr_a: I am not a big Obama fan, but I give the man credit for ordering that mission. And no, he wasn't in physical danger like the Seals, but political suicide if it screws up. Ask Jimmy Carter.

Exactly. And he's made this kind of call several times-- Somali pirate hostage situation at sea, Osama raid, and last week's hostage rescue. He's also been very aggressive in calling in drone strikes to kill al-Qaeda operatives. The Obama Doctrine stresses pinpoint assassinations over large-scale military operations. It's inexpensive, rapid, and limits collateral damage.

If anything, the legitimate criticism comes from the left for violating other nations' sovereignty, which he's done with impunity, and it does hamper our diplomatic stance on other issues.

Give Bush the same intel about Osama and he's probably asking his team to come up with excuses to justify invading Pakistan.


I really, really, REALLY hate our country using violence without WWIII breaking out, but if we must, Obama's got the right way to do it. No muss, no fuss, and we end up the badasses who scare the shiat out of the bad guys.
 
2012-01-28 03:51:52 PM
watson.t.hamster: Equating any criticism of the president with "because a black guy did it" is intellectually lazy.

Yeah, cause there are totally valid reasons to criticize the president for having Osama bin Laden killed....
 
2012-01-28 03:54:28 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: TheOther: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Afghanistan was a textbook example of the US fighting "the last war".

Iraq? Bosnia? Somalia? Libya??

These multiple overlapping engagements are confusing the timeline.

Sorry, maybe you've never heard the saying. "Last" == "Previous", not "Last" == "Final". It's a statement that conveys the notion that the military's tactics are always tuned to fight the kind of war they fought before, rather than the one they are currently fighting.


Why, yes, I've heard it. Too many wars make identifiying which 'Previous' war referred to problematic.
 
2012-01-28 04:00:16 PM
Blairr: TheOther: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Afghanistan was a textbook example of the US fighting "the last war".

Iraq? Bosnia? Somalia? Libya??

These multiple overlapping engagements are confusing the timeline.

Quit thinking in British drawn states and start thinking about religious demographics.

It's been the war on Islam terror


We live in 'British-drawn states', or those designed on their model, Getting rid of that 17th Century nonsense would help.
 
2012-01-28 04:05:18 PM
What is the point of advisors if you are just going to ignore them?
 
2012-01-28 04:06:55 PM
RandomExcess: What is the point of advisors if you are just going to ignore them?

What's the point of having a President who can't decide to ignore his advisors when necessary?
 
2012-01-28 04:17:09 PM
AmorousRedDragon: "He knew what was at stake. Not just the lives of those brave warriors, but literally the presidency, and he pulled the trigger," Biden said. "This guy doesn't lead from behind -- he just leads."

But was he in the room, personally holding the rifle that shot Bin Laden? No? Then the credit goes to Bush.


Besides, the article is wrong. We all know the Pentagon went ahead and authorized this mission above the Usurper-In-Chief's head

/you went over my helmet?
//gamesnet.vo.llnwd.net
 
2012-01-28 04:31:13 PM
Conservatives sure are pissed that Obama actually has the backbone that W always pretended to have. Then again, they generally prefer fantasy to reality, so this isn't surprising.

I encourage them to run with "Obama is a loose cannon" regarding the OBL assassination operation. I'm sure it will really work out for them.
 
2012-01-28 04:50:04 PM
TheOther: Blairr: TheOther: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Afghanistan was a textbook example of the US fighting "the last war".

Iraq? Bosnia? Somalia? Libya??

These multiple overlapping engagements are confusing the timeline.

Quit thinking in British drawn states and start thinking about religious demographics.

It's been the war on Islam terror

We live in 'British-drawn states', or those designed on their model, Getting rid of that 17th Century nonsense would help.


States are a European idea.

The Middle-East powers were more about which belief you belonged too.

In the same way we identify our "group" with national flags, they identified with similar imagery. Be it a cross or a crescent.

State and religion are just two models for how to draw together many tribes into a supratribe.

I've always wanted to argue with someone state vs religion. Defining state and religion as both a central fixation to unify masses.

Statehood is more about sovereignty of territory, less about ideology. Religion is more about grouping like minds.

Defining religion and state as such, which is inherently more violent?

States create a tangible "us and them" mentality (borders)

Religion creates an intangible "us and them" mentality (ideology)

Iraq is interesting instance of statehood and religion, with the states constitution obviously pitting them against Iran but the powers within being shiate.


/It makes alot of sense defining state and religion as such, much in the same way ultranationalists want death for traitors, fundamentalists want death for apostates. Traitors and apostates are both individuals committing slights against what unifies the people.
//There are parallels!
///Prove God exists, prove Canada exists. Both depend upon having adherents with conviction to have any meaning once-so-ever.
 
2012-01-28 04:54:41 PM
ExperianScaresCthulhu: EnviroDude: teto85: The President has 99 problems and Bin Laden ain't one of them.

Osama Bin Dead.

When the key to the success of your foreign policy is killing a guy overseas and an American, you don't have much to hang your record on.

[i.imgur.com image 640x196]

/thanks, Glenford


But, but, but....who's the other alt?
 
2012-01-28 04:55:38 PM
TheOther: We live in 'British-drawn states', or those designed on their model, Getting rid of that 17th Century nonsense would help

Mmmm. As a conservative I strongly believe in having a clearly defined alternative prior to ditching the current model.

Descending back to genetic tribalism, would be a bad thing.

Need to unify the earth. So I can finally become a space-cowboy.

Or space-pirate, have yet to decide.

/But seriously, if we ever colonize Mars. I'm going to be the first to erect a giant cross - not because I particularly care - just because I want to see the entire world facepalm in unison.
 
2012-01-28 04:56:57 PM
RandomExcess: What is the point of advisors if you are just going to ignore them?

A real leader would discredit them, blow their cover, and ruin their careers.
 
2012-01-28 05:08:35 PM
cameroncrazy1984: watson.t.hamster: Equating any criticism of the president with "because a black guy did it" is intellectually lazy.

Yeah, cause there are totally valid reasons to criticize the president for having Osama bin Laden killed....


I was speaking in general terms as this canard gets brought up on just about every politics thread.

Surely you realize that Obama supporters haven't made this claim solely on this issue, right?
 
2012-01-28 05:09:20 PM
Blairr: teto85: The President has 99 problems and Bin Laden ain't one of them.

Osama Bin Dead.

I don't think many people realise what a stupid coont Obama is for doing this.

OBL was legendary because the world's only superpower wanted him dead.

It's why Bush came out and said "I truly am not that concerned about him," there was an ongoing campaign to tarnish the legendary image of OBL.

Bin Laden's will says his children must not join al-Qaida

Now do you honestly think Bush didn't care? Or that OBL regretted joining the jihad?

Al'Qaeda gained such traction because the USA declared it to be such a threat. People were attracted to it because it seemed to be powerful.

I honestly thought OBL was already dead. But I guess Obammy needed a "win" to get him reelected in 2012 so he went against his advisors and tore that media campaign to farking shreds by interrupting live TV and screaming to the world "We got HIM"

Obama is pure and utter trash. Always has been. Politics first, nation second.


I see your whole post has been picked apart and destroyed by now but I just wanted to give you my condolences about your hero being killed.
 
2012-01-28 05:15:17 PM
watson.t.hamster: cameroncrazy1984: watson.t.hamster: Equating any criticism of the president with "because a black guy did it" is intellectually lazy.

Yeah, cause there are totally valid reasons to criticize the president for having Osama bin Laden killed....

I was speaking in general terms as this canard gets brought up on just about every politics thread.

Surely you realize that Obama supporters haven't made this claim solely on this issue, right?


The claims of racism stem from an absolute unwillingness to believe that Republicans are honestly that retarded. When someone says it's racism, it's probably because they've exhausted all other possibilities other than "pants on head retarded."
 
2012-01-28 05:16:07 PM
Sabyen91: I see your whole post has been picked apart and destroyed by now but I just wanted to give you my condolences about your hero being killed.

Of all the things, I thought at least the Right could admit that killing OBL was a good idea . . . even if the "other team" did it.

Then again, those who agree it was a good idea, usually go on to credit Dubya.
 
2012-01-28 05:19:13 PM
Sabyen91: I just wanted to give you my condolences about your hero being killed.

Exactly my point. The democrats are brandishing this sentiment to keep their opponents inline.

Being a bully doesnt make one right and anyone with an iota of sense should see Obama for the scumbag he is.
 
2012-01-28 05:20:41 PM
EnviroDude: teto85: The President has 99 problems and Bin Laden ain't one of them.

Osama Bin Dead.

When the key to the success of your foreign policy is killing a guy overseas and an American, you don't have much to hang your record on.


So you're saying 3,000 deaths in New York is a better key to the success of a President's foreign policy?
 
2012-01-28 05:20:46 PM
heinekenftw: the Right

"Blairr, the Right"
 
2012-01-28 05:23:10 PM
Blairr: Sabyen91: I just wanted to give you my condolences about your hero being killed.

Exactly my point. The democrats are brandishing this sentiment to keep their opponents inline.

Being a bully doesnt make one right and anyone with an iota of sense should see Obama for the scumbag he is.


Uh huh. When you are against everything Obama does, no matter the outcome, you really can't whine when someone calls you out on your seething Obama-hate. It is pathetic.
 
2012-01-28 05:23:19 PM
Suddenly this thread smells of grundelpatch.
 
2012-01-28 05:31:14 PM
Blairr: Now do you honestly think Bush didn't care? Or that OBL regretted joining the jihad?

You do realize that there is now a large segment of the Republican Party dedicated to spreading the pretty blatant lie that there were no terrorist attacks on President Bush's watch, do you?

...or are you one of those that bought that canard hook, line, and sinker?
 
2012-01-28 05:47:17 PM
Blairr: We live in 'British-drawn states', or those designed on their model, Getting rid of that 17th Century nonsense would help.

States are a European idea


The original states are the direct results of British monarchs paying for support by drawing lines on a relatively blank map and saying, 'Here,all this is yours. Call it...'Virginia!'... and everybody laughing. It is feudalism brought to the New World and a terrible basis for defining political power in a purportedly free people.
 
2012-01-28 05:51:23 PM
It's been said before, but it bears repeating. All the people who claim Obama deserves no credit for the Osama raid because he didn't physically give the man a lead facial are the same people who, if it failed, would have moved to have Obama impeached for it. The cognitive dissonance is stunning. If he would get all the blame upon its failure, he should rightly get all the credit upon its success. That's how this works. He made the order. It's on his head, not the military.
 
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