mr_a: I am not a big Obama fan, but I give the man credit for ordering that mission. And no, he wasn't in physical danger like the Seals, but political suicide if it screws up. Ask Jimmy Carter.

Or Somalia. Nobody blames Major General William Garrison, the Task Force Ranger commander, for that turning to shiat. They blame Bill Clinton..

hubiestubert: It's this sort of toxic passivity that threatens the entire structure of the government with its ignorance of protocol. By rampaging out of control, with no adherence to civil authority, the Obama Administration's gracile quiescence and submission to Islamic extremists--brought on by his Jihadist education and the fiery rhetoric of Reverend Wright--this President's lack of control, foresight, and compliance to terrorism is a danger to us all, and our military. His use of force puts them into danger, and his lack of support by bringing units to full strength before deploying shows his inability to respond with vigor to threats. Truly, he is America's greatest monster, and should be tried for his war crimes.

Sarah Palin, of course, should assume control of the government, as by the popular decree of the last election, stolen with math and votes last election, and in order to avoid such tragedy in the future, a No Take-Backsie Rule should be implemented immediately. Milk and cookies to be served after, in perpetuity.

You are truly an artist.

Sgt Otter: Or Somalia. Nobody blames Major General William Garrison, the Task Force Ranger commander, for that turning to shiat. They blame Bill Clinton..

They blame (D), you mean.

Dwight Eisenhower (R) ordered the execution of Operation Ajax, overthrowing the legitimate and democratic government of Iran based upon deliberately-fraudulent evidence from the United Kingdom and Central Intelligence Agency, operating on behalf of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. That coup re-installed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as ruler of Iran, instigating an oppressive authoritarian regime that culminated in the 1979 revolution. Jimmy Carter (D) was blamed for the whole thing.

Allen Dulles (R), the architect of Operation Ajax, held significant financial interest in AIOC (known nowadays as BP). Dulles later went on to engineer the 1954 Guatemalan coup on behalf of United Fruit Company (in which he held significant stock and was a board of trustees member), which led to a 12-year-long civil war and multiple crimes against humanity. Blame for this was pinned on John F. Kennedy (D) and Lyndon B. Johnson (D), and later Jimmy Carter (D) when his attempts to reverse covert US military aid and redevelop the country fell short of expectation.

Allen Dulles (R) was also the architect of the Bay of Pigs. Eisenhower, to his credit, refused to allow the Bay of Pigs coup attempt, although John F. Kennedy did. Kennedy (D) was solely blamed for the failure of the Bay of Pigs.

As a sidenote, Allen Dulles (R) along with his brother and other members of the US banking industry, allegedly organized and engineered the sale of American oil (from people like Fred Koch (R) and Prescott Bush (R)) to Nazi Germany, and while serving in the Office of Strategic Services allegedly oversaw covert extraction of wealth and resources from the country to the West.

Just as a bonus niblet, the Afghan trap was originally devised by the Carter administration (D) to lure the Soviet Union into an unwinnable war to put an unsustainable drain on its economy. The Reagan administration (R) took credit, while simultaneously providing aid, relief and training to the Mujahideen. A subset of those guys later formed al-Qaeda and did some shiat you might have heard of. Bill Clinton (D) got blamed for not killing al-Qaeda's leadership despite making the effort and being obstructed by Congress (R), claiming the president was attempting to distract the nation from the Lewinsky scandal.

The guy leading that resistance (R) was having an affair with his wife who had been diagnosed with a medical condition that precedes multiple sclerosis at the time, later divorced her and married the women with whom he was having the affair. He's currently the front runner in the Republican presidential race.

Blairr: He is utter garbage and anyone with a brain should see him as but a calculating weasel.

jjorsett: Either a) Obama is surrounded by a bunch of trembling wimps afraid of taking risks or b) Joe Biden is a befuddled, clueless dope who no more knows what went on than he knows Enron from Ener1. Both seem equally likely.

You forgot c) Obama is a terrifying Sith Lord who imposes his will with his mind.

trotsky: LOL, I love the shill logic. We need to kill bin Laden except when the black guy does it.

Welcome to the modern Republican Party, where black is white, up is down, and derp is herp.

You'd think that after the commentary of "Obama = Osama" and "He'd be the bestest of friends with Osama" that they would faceplant with incredible force when Obama kills the guy. But they managed to spin almost 10 years of treating Osama as the greatest threat to the world into an absolute nobody that didn't matter anymore.

Come on, guys! Keep your story straight!

Until now, the spin was that the sekrit muslin ignored the advice of his military advisors to go after OBL, tried to stop the raid, and was finally shut out of the chain of command, in what amounted to a coup by the patriotic military to bypass the treasonous appeaser-in-chief Zerobama.

Significant push to take him out months ago. Senior WH staff resisted. This was cause of much strain between HC [Hillary Clinton] and Obama/Jarrett. HC and LP [Leon Panetta] were in constant communication over matter - both attempted to convince administration to act. Administration feared failure and resulting negative impact on president. Intel disgusted over politics over national security. Staff resigned/left. Check timeline to corroborate.

Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act - sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the President indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta's failed policy. Again Obama hesitated - this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta.

IMPORTANT SPECIFIC: When 48 hour go order issued, CoC was told, not requested. Administration scrambled to abort. That order was overruled.

...Independent military contacts have confirmed. Stories corroborate one another. This is legit.

I was told - in these exact terms, "we overruled him." (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president's "persistent hesitation to act."

Source (new window)

Parthenogenetic: Source (new window)

Holy balls, that writer is stupid AND manic.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: EnviroDude: teto85: The President has 99 problems and Bin Laden ain't one of them.

Osama Bin Dead.

When the key to the success of your foreign policy is killing a guy overseas and an American, you don't have much to hang your record on.

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/thanks, Glenford

My ignore message for EnviroDude is just a link to http://oi43.tinypic.com/11alhdx.jpg

ExperianScaresCthulhu: EnviroDude: teto85: The President has 99 problems and Bin Laden ain't one of them.

Osama Bin Dead.

When the key to the success of your foreign policy is killing a guy overseas and an American, you don't have much to hang your record on.

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/thanks, Glenford

But, but, but....who's the other alt?

RandomExcess: What is the point of advisors if you are just going to ignore them?

A real leader would discredit them, blow their cover, and ruin their careers.

watson.t.hamster: cameroncrazy1984: watson.t.hamster: Equating any criticism of the president with "because a black guy did it" is intellectually lazy.

Yeah, cause there are totally valid reasons to criticize the president for having Osama bin Laden killed....

I was speaking in general terms as this canard gets brought up on just about every politics thread.

Surely you realize that Obama supporters haven't made this claim solely on this issue, right?

The claims of racism stem from an absolute unwillingness to believe that Republicans are honestly that retarded. When someone says it's racism, it's probably because they've exhausted all other possibilities other than "pants on head retarded."

Suddenly this thread smells of grundelpatch.