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(Fox News)   In yet another example of President Obama's pusillanimous "do-nothing" behavior, details emerge that Obama went ahead with the Bin Laden raid despite the advice of most of his advisers to back away from the mission   (foxnews.com ) divider line
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2012-01-28 11:23:20 AM  
The last three paragraphs in TFA refer to comments made by an unnamed U.S. official. The opinions and speculations of an unnamed source are of little value or significance. Since this is a Fox News article there is a high probability that the unnamed source is a figment of the author's imagination.

Leon Panetta continues to be wicked smart.
 
2012-01-28 11:25:43 AM  
While killing the guy really didn't accomplish anything in the face of all of the lives lost running down meaningless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the sake of Bush's contractor buddies, I have been endlessly entertained by the candlelight-vigils the GOP has held on behalf of their fallen comrade. 9/11 is Republican Christmas, and they treat Osama like Republican Santa Clause; they really got depressed when he was killed.
 
2012-01-28 11:25:57 AM  
So Obama killed Osama. It's the Chicago way.
 
2012-01-28 11:27:01 AM  
Why would anyone advise AGAINST this? Seriously who the hell is that stupid?
 
2012-01-28 11:30:44 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: While killing the guy really didn't accomplish anything in the face of all of the lives lost running down meaningless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the sake of Bush's contractor buddies, I have been endlessly entertained by the candlelight-vigils the GOP has held on behalf of their fallen comrade. 9/11 is Republican Christmas, and they treat Osama like Republican Santa Clause; they really got depressed when he was killed.


Was Afghanistan really meaningless though? Al-Qaeda attacked us. The Taliban harbored them. We asked the Taliban to hand them over, they said "no" so we went in to eliminate what was clearly a threat.
 
2012-01-28 11:32:06 AM  

Tingle007: Why would anyone advise AGAINST this? Seriously who the hell is that stupid?


It was a two edged sword. If it goes right, everyone involved from the top down gets the hero treatment. If it farks up, everyone from the top down gets eviscerated in the eyes of the public. Some people err on the side of caution.
 
2012-01-28 11:33:43 AM  

Tingle007: Why would anyone advise AGAINST this? Seriously who the hell is that stupid?


Well, the intelligence said they were 50% sure it was him.
 
2012-01-28 11:36:11 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: While killing the guy really didn't accomplish anything in the face of all of the lives lost running down meaningless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the sake of Bush's contractor buddies, I have been endlessly entertained by the candlelight-vigils the GOP has held on behalf of their fallen comrade. 9/11 is Republican Christmas, and they treat Osama like Republican Santa Clause; they really got depressed when he was killed.


To be fair, Reagan called these guys the moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers. How dare we go against anything Reagan said...
 
2012-01-28 11:37:56 AM  

Zerochance: Was Afghanistan really meaningless though?


After 2003? Yes. When we shifted resources away for 5 years to play in another sandbox, we effectively gave up any hope of a suitable outcome in Afghanistan.
 
2012-01-28 11:38:08 AM  

The Decider

 
2012-01-28 11:38:35 AM  
Say what you will about FartBongo, he sure is one lucky MoFo. All his opponents self immolate and his gambles pay off. He only farks up when he is playing it safe. I saw we let him go to Vegas with the contents of Fort Knox.
 
2012-01-28 11:39:44 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: FTFA: "The official said many in the room were worried about losing their jobs should the mission go wrong. "


This is all you need to know how how strong those people are and how bad 0bama is in building a strong team. They are worried about losing their job instead of doing the right thing.

No wonder the administration is so lame.


Actually, he put together the perfect team. The people who didn't have critical information gave him an unsure answer: which they should have. The person who knew (Panetta) gave him a go. Obama rightly chose which to listen to, and pulled the trigger. Sounds like a wise person who surrounds himself with honest people and not sycophants who will tell him what he wants to hear, like a story about WMDs or some such baloney.
 
2012-01-28 11:39:50 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Are you a Democrat yet, or what?


Please, no! He's the only farker who consistently makes an intelligent and cogent case for conservatism. And there is such a case to be made.
 
2012-01-28 11:41:09 AM  

Zerochance: Was Afghanistan really meaningless though? Al-Qaeda attacked us. The Taliban harbored them. We asked the Taliban to hand them over, they said "no" so we went in to eliminate what was clearly a threat.


Afghanistan was a textbook example of the US fighting "the last war". Who, precisely, was the threat? A bunch of guys who got onto some planes with boxcutters and flew them into buildings. Can you eliminate that threat by sending ground troops into the last country you knew they had friends in? Hell no. You can piss away a trillion dollars and thousands of American lives erecting your gravestone in the Graveyard of Empires while the guy who orchestrated the entire attack lives it up in a mansion one country to the south.

The attack on the US was a covert operation carried out by a small organization of people, and the response should have been the same. Bin Laden should have been the first person assassinated by American agents, and the rest of them should have gone insane with insomnia waiting for their turn. Instead, we took some kids straight out of highschool, handed them assault rifles, and told them to stand still so these bastards could blow them up with IEDs. What a colossal waste of our time, money, and soldiers' lives.
 
2012-01-28 11:42:22 AM  
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Get over it, terrorist-lovers.
 
2012-01-28 11:44:45 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Afghanistan was a textbook example of the US fighting "the last war".


You sure you don't mean "the war that absolutely, positively, beyond repair tanked the Soviet economy, that the Carter administration baited the Soviets into, which was by no small coincidence bin Laden's own stated objectives", right?
 
2012-01-28 11:46:08 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Zerochance: Was Afghanistan really meaningless though? Al-Qaeda attacked us. The Taliban harbored them. We asked the Taliban to hand them over, they said "no" so we went in to eliminate what was clearly a threat.

Afghanistan was a textbook example of the US fighting "the last war". Who, precisely, was the threat? A bunch of guys who got onto some planes with boxcutters and flew them into buildings. Can you eliminate that threat by sending ground troops into the last country you knew they had friends in? Hell no. You can piss away a trillion dollars and thousands of American lives erecting your gravestone in the Graveyard of Empires while the guy who orchestrated the entire attack lives it up in a mansion one country to the south.

The attack on the US was a covert operation carried out by a small organization of people, and the response should have been the same. Bin Laden should have been the first person assassinated by American agents, and the rest of them should have gone insane with insomnia waiting for their turn. Instead, we took some kids straight out of highschool, handed them assault rifles, and told them to stand still so these bastards could blow them up with IEDs. What a colossal waste of our time, money, and soldiers' lives.


To be fair, we should have kept the fight against Al Qaida a law enforcement matter, with some crossover as an intelligence matter. Rousted folks in the middle of the night, seized assets, arrested folks, and dismantled the organization as opposed to tackling a nation...
 
2012-01-28 11:46:18 AM  
/Dons tin foil hat

FartBongo personally ordered the 2nd chopper at the last moment because he knew the fix was in and the 1st chopper was sabotaged so this mission would fail, just like Carter's.

FartBong: 1 Haters: 0
 
2012-01-28 11:49:08 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Afghanistan was a textbook example of the US fighting "the last war".


Iraq? Bosnia? Somalia? Libya??

These multiple overlapping engagements are confusing the timeline.
 
2012-01-28 11:49:36 AM  
What? New evidence suggests Obama, though stalled out in the White House for his entire incredibly unpopular presidency, is actually a firm and decisive man of action? And in an ELECTION YEAR? How can this be???
 
2012-01-28 11:55:35 AM  

TheOther: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Afghanistan was a textbook example of the US fighting "the last war".

Iraq? Bosnia? Somalia? Libya??

These multiple overlapping engagements are confusing the timeline.


Sorry, maybe you've never heard the saying. "Last" == "Previous", not "Last" == "Final". It's a statement that conveys the notion that the military's tactics are always tuned to fight the kind of war they fought before, rather than the one they are currently fighting.
 
2012-01-28 11:57:15 AM  
bootman

Say what you will about FartBongo, he sure is one lucky MoFo. All his opponents self immolate and his gambles pay off. He only farks up when he is playing it safe. I saw we let him go to Vegas with the contents of Fort Knox.


Well thats the problem right there. They emptied Fort Knox when we moved off the gold standard.

/RON PAUL!!!
 
2012-01-28 12:00:13 PM  

That Masked Man: What? New evidence suggests Obama, though stalled out in the White House for his entire incredibly unpopular presidency, is actually a firm and decisive man of action? And in an ELECTION YEAR? How can this be???


Obama was never not about decisive action. He was not, however, the unstoppable force that could explode the GOP's unmoveable objections. He's got a lot more traction now, and finally figured out that telling Congress "If you won't act, I will," will win him votes when Congressional approval is just above "Why the hell aren't we just revolting yet?" levels.
 
2012-01-28 12:03:29 PM  

TheOther: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Afghanistan was a textbook example of the US fighting "the last war".

Iraq? Bosnia? Somalia? Libya??

These multiple overlapping engagements are confusing the timeline.


Quit thinking in British drawn states and start thinking about religious demographics.

It's been the war on Islam terror
 
2012-01-28 12:07:09 PM  

AmorousRedDragon: "He knew what was at stake. Not just the lives of those brave warriors, but literally the presidency, and he pulled the trigger," Biden said. "This guy doesn't lead from behind -- he just leads."

But was he in the room, personally holding the rifle that shot Bin Laden? No? Then the credit goes to Bush.


Yep! And that is why those SEALs should be charged with murder! Was Bin Laden flying those planes? No he wasn't, so he is not responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Derp, derp, derp...
 
2012-01-28 12:12:26 PM  
Bin Laden wasn't killed in May of 2011. You are all being lied to.....over and over again....
 
2012-01-28 12:13:19 PM  

PsiChi: Who actually still believes that Obama killed Osama?


Technically, your correct. Obama did not shoot OBL, it was a member of SEAL Team 6. You took the short bus to school, didn't you?
 
2012-01-28 12:13:45 PM  
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2012-01-28 12:17:07 PM  
Discussing the Osama raid always helps Obama. The Republicans can criticize it twelve ways from Sunday, call it a bad decision, say Obama got lucky, is taking too much praise, that it was really a Bush victory, say we should have consulted Pakistan, whatever, it doesn't matter. Every time a Republican mentions Osama, even to criticize Obama on some minutia of the mission, it reminds the true independent 10% of Americans that Obama, for all his faults, got the man responsible for the deaths of over 3000 innocent Americans, a man who should have died on 10/11/01. Thanks, Republicans, keep it up.
 
2012-01-28 12:17:19 PM  

That Masked Man: incredibly unpopular presidency


At about this stage in his Presidency, Reagan has a 56% disapproval rate.
 
2012-01-28 12:17:47 PM  

Death to New Rome: Bin Laden wasn't killed in May of 2011. You are all being lied to.....over and over again....


Might want to lay off your conspiracy theory websites... they're doing you no good.
 
2012-01-28 12:17:59 PM  

Death to New Rome: Bin Laden wasn't killed in May of 2011. You are all being lied to.....over and over again....


Yep he's in the same bunker as JFK and Elvis are underneath the Denver Airport. A blog told me so.
 
2012-01-28 12:21:33 PM  
Damn, tenpoundsofhorsedick. That's weak even by YOUR subterranean posting standards.

What I'm saying is, go fark yourself, you subhuman filth.
 
2012-01-28 12:24:49 PM  

Blairr: He is utter garbage and anyone with a brain should see him as but a calculating weasel.


I agree, Trump is garbage.
 
2012-01-28 12:26:00 PM  

gtomako: [img684.imageshack.us image 640x512]


Nope. Fark wants to give this guy the nuclear football:

i39.tinypic.com

 
2012-01-28 12:27:14 PM  

JohnnyC: Death to New Rome: Bin Laden wasn't killed in May of 2011. You are all being lied to.....over and over again....

Might want to lay off your conspiracy theory websites... they're doing you no good.


So what if he wasn't? You have two choices:

Say Osama is still alive, in which case, he has decided to go so deep into hiding that al Qaeda has said he is dead, the rest of the world thinks he is dead, and he is, essentially dead. Now, if he is alive, all he had to do to embarrass the U.S. is release a videotape. Until that happens, he's is dead and the U.S. gets the credit for the kill.

Say Osama has been dead for a long time. Say he was killed at Tora Bora and al Qaeda has been releasing fake tapes and making the world think he was alive, giving al Qaeda a nice talking point about how feeble the U.S. is, and how powerful they are. Well, the Obama raid ended that little ruse, didn't it? Since the Obama raid, al Qaeda has admitted that Osama is dead, and caused the rest of the world to believe it, as well. So, the administration's "lie" about getting Osama has forced al Qaeda to abandon their lie that Osama was alive. Which is still a good effect of the raid.

So, either way, Obama wins.
 
2012-01-28 12:29:32 PM  
Situation: Highly influential leader of global terrorist network is tracked down to a wealthy suburb of a foriegn country. Network is actively engaged in creating large-scale attacks worldwide.

Location: Two-story walled compound in Abbotabad, Pakistan. City is private residence of senior military officials and home to officer training academy. Pakistan is a politically unstable ally with a history of popular extremist revolts and an intelligence agency that covertly assists target's terrorist network.

Target security: Approximately 4-6 armed males as well as extensive women and children. Location may have defenses undiscovered by satellite.

OPTION #1: Monitor and do nothing.
Risk: Minimal. Probability of future terrorist attack is low but still present.

Reward: Nothing.

OPTION #2: Aerial drone strike.
Risk: Moderate. Probability of killing target is equal to probability of killing civilians. Bombing major ally city will create political instability and threaten ally status. Target is extremely paranoid and has learned lessons from previous failed assassinations. Probability of losing location of target if he survives is extreme.

Reward: Dead terrorist network leader with no risk of U.S. casualties.

OPTION #3: Enlist Pakistani aid.
Risk: Probability of target escaping due to allied force incompetence/corruption is extreme.

Reward: Captured/killed terrorist network leader with all intelligence going to ally. Probability of intelligence shared with U.S. is low. No U.S. casualties.

OPTION #4: Covert special operations assault.
Risk: Extreme. Probability of killing target is only moderate. Force must covertly penetrate allied integrated air defense network, insert troops directly into compound, engage and neutralize security, kill target, gather intelligence and leave before allied forces respond on-site. Use of experimental helicopters risks not only malfunction but possibility of capture by ally. Even if the operation succeeds U.S. will be in de facto cold war with nuclear-armed ally.

Reward: Dead terrorist network leader, seizure of massive intelligence archive and major strategic American victory will almost immediately be attributed to George W. Bush.


...so you're the President of the United States. These four options are on the table. Which would YOU pick?
 
2012-01-28 12:32:26 PM  

Blairr: hugram: Let me be the first to apologize to you for that night

And don't think Obama didn't know it would be political suicide to call him on OBL.

What he did was wrong, but noone is going to rail against killing OBL. Not because they supported OBL, but that what Obama did potentially supported OBLs cause.


Not sure if trolling or really, really stupid.
 
2012-01-28 12:35:06 PM  

Wyalt Derp: This week he's Dictatorbama, overruling the experts and subverting Democracy & the American way.


He's the biggest warmonger that is soft on defense
 
2012-01-28 12:38:17 PM  

Fart_Machine: Not sure if trolling or really, really stupid.


Not mutually exclusive explanations.
 
2012-01-28 12:39:12 PM  

Darth Macho: ...so you're the President of the United States. These four options are on the table. Which would YOU pick?


I get what you're trying to do but you made a huge error. You left out the international ramifications of launching a covert raid in a sovereign nation. Had the operation failed, Obama would be on the hook for ordering a raid in a foreign country without that country's knowledge and nothing to show for it. He only was forgiven in the international community because he could now reply "I only did it because you were harboring Osama bin Laden. I have proof, we got him."
 
2012-01-28 12:46:03 PM  

Fart_Machine: Not sure if trolling or really, really stupid.


'Or?' He's already an idiot for just wanting to troll.
 
2012-01-28 12:46:05 PM  

Darth Macho: ...so you're the President of the United States. These four options are on the table. Which would YOU pick?


Shoot the hostage.
 
2012-01-28 12:46:40 PM  

Masso: It sickened me to think many people wouldn't give Obama credit for this. There is a high chance that this raid could have gone wrong and he would take the fall, but he gave it a go. Gave credit when it's due, he took the risk, he get the credit.


I bet not a single Republican here either has the intelligence to remember, or the honesty to admit what their "official" position on this was during the 2008 election. Hint, these idiots said it was Obama who was the naive one for suggesting that we go into Pakistan to get OBL. This of course at the same time they were calling him an appeaser.

FYI Repugnants, appeasement is when you curry favor with another nation that goes against your best wishes, you know kind of like saying that we should not go into Pakistan after OBL without their permission because they are such good friends (even though we know they are not). Sorry idiot class of America, OBL is dead because we elected Obama, and not the sorry ass naive appeaser McCain and $arah. That you idiots can not seem to understand that...well here is an explanation - Link (new window) - not our fault you are essentially the salt of our earth, you know morons.
 
2012-01-28 12:49:51 PM  

Fart_Machine: Blairr: hugram: Let me be the first to apologize to you for that night

And don't think Obama didn't know it would be political suicide to call him on OBL.

What he did was wrong, but noone is going to rail against killing OBL. Not because they supported OBL, but that what Obama did potentially supported OBLs cause.

Not sure if trolling or really, really stupid.


It's the Blairr way.
 
2012-01-28 12:52:13 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Darth Macho: ...so you're the President of the United States. These four options are on the table. Which would YOU pick?

Shoot the hostage.


The American people are held hostage by our supposed "representative" Congress. We've been getting shot for years.
 
2012-01-28 12:55:51 PM  
Fartbongo is a Dumbocrat, so anything he does is automatically wrong and bad. Success? Breach of international law and risking our relationship with a staunch ally, and also it was Bush's plan anyway. Failure? Big dummy did a stupid thing, that big dummy, and he got American soldiers killed. Bush never would have done something so stupid.

At this point, there is literally nothing in this world that can be done by a Democratic president, or a Democrat in general, that the right-wing will not declare is the WORST. POSSIBLE. THING.
 
2012-01-28 12:58:36 PM  

Zerochance: LouDobbsAwaaaay: While killing the guy really didn't accomplish anything in the face of all of the lives lost running down meaningless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the sake of Bush's contractor buddies, I have been endlessly entertained by the candlelight-vigils the GOP has held on behalf of their fallen comrade. 9/11 is Republican Christmas, and they treat Osama like Republican Santa Clause; they really got depressed when he was killed.

Was Afghanistan really meaningless though? Al-Qaeda attacked us. The Taliban harbored them. We asked the Taliban to hand them over, they said "no" so we went in to eliminate what was clearly a threat.


Going in to kick the ass of a foreign criminal organization(and I use that last word tentatively) was justified. Leaving a huge military footprint for over 10 years to prop up a western friendly government is folly. Especially in Afghanistan of all places. It's not like there isn't centuries of historical precedence against the idea. But after 9/11 some people in the US would have been fine turning sand to glass, so that was an opportunity that the Bush administration and their best buddies in the military industrial complex couldn't miss. Heck, they were even able to get yet another war out of it.

At the end of the day when all NATO troops are pulled out and inevitably it all falls apart, what we will have accomplished could have been done by the CIA, drones, and special ops. Except with a lot less lives and money lost.
 
2012-01-28 01:09:16 PM  
woah woah woah...

I had it on good authority that SEAL TEAM 6 overrode the sekrit muslin president's command to stand down and did the deed anyway and Obama was publicly shamed into not having them all court marshalled!

Just another attempt by the drive-by lamestream LSM media machine to hide the ursurpers true soshulist agenda...


/The internet told me so
 
2012-01-28 01:24:48 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Fartbongo is a Dumbocrat, so anything he does is automatically wrong and bad. Success? Breach of international law and risking our relationship with a staunch ally, and also it was Bush's plan anyway. Failure? Big dummy did a stupid thing, that big dummy, and he got American soldiers killed. Bush never would have done something so stupid.

At this point, there is literally nothing in this world that can be done by a Democratic president, or a Democrat in general, that the right-wing will not declare is the WORST. POSSIBLE. THING.


You have no idea how right you are. Example: I know a guy who is a deeply Evangelical Christian and believes in the Prosperity Gospel to a T. I challenged him to name five things that Obama has done or supported that he liked, and to show that I meant business, I named five things that George W. Bush did or supported that I liked. I don't remember the entire list since I can't find it on my Facebook, but I believe two of the things I specifically named were his support of comprehensive immigration reform and his refusal to paint all Muslims as radical terrorists. He refused to name even one thing and insisted that every single action Obama has taken as President was either designed to destroy the country or was done solely to manipulate people into voting for him in 2012 so that he could have two terms to further ensure the country's downfall.
 
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