The propaganda and political arms of any terrorist group are always inextricably intertwined.

Seems like we've had this story numerous times before.

I'm not so sure that dynamic holds as true now as it did in 2008 or 2010. Gingrich snubbed Chris Wallace and Fox News Sunday during his media blitz prior to South Carolina.

When Republican candidates draw paychecks from FOX, I don't think anyone was under the illusion of who works for whom

and their other boss, Rush Limbaugh

Since when has FOX been influenced by the Republican Party?

MFAWG: I'm not so sure that dynamic holds as true now as it did in 2008 or 2010. Gingrich snubbed Chris Wallace and Fox News Sunday during his media blitz prior to South Carolina.

Newt Gingrich is the best thing that's happened to Democrats in 4 years.

Lunchlady: MFAWG: I'm not so sure that dynamic holds as true now as it did in 2008 or 2010. Gingrich snubbed Chris Wallace and Fox News Sunday during his media blitz prior to South Carolina.

Newt Gingrich is the best thing that's happened to Democrats in 4 years.

Maybe he's serving karma for the Clinton fiasco.

I think for a long time the two had such intertwined ambitions that there wasn't much of a point of trying to determine who was the dog and who was the tail. There was even some ebb and flow for a bit. But now, the polarization that Fox sowed and the GOP embraced when it was just Dem v. Rep is manifesting as an internal divide within the party.

The far right is following the doctrines chartered previously while the establishment is seeing them as a little to anarchist to sell product and accomplish their choice of goals. Thus the Tea Party and various forms of "patriot" movements take hold and start to view even Fox and mainstream GOP as enemies. Indeed, the fact that the GOP nom's come from the network would strengthen that tie, they can't separate from each other.

Fox probably holds the upper hand right now, because they own the messaging platform, without them, the GOP has fewer avenues to put out the word, and I am sure Fox knows this. It is, after all, the model Murdoch pioneered in GB.

fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.

colon_pow: fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.

At night it does. But the daytime coverage is much more impartial than Fox News ever is and don't be stupid and believe otherwise.

Done in one.

colon_pow: fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.

The truth has a liberal bias.

\msnbc does lay it on pretty thick sometimes
\\still not as bad as faux news

MFAWG: I'm not so sure that dynamic holds as true now as it did in 2008 or 2010. Gingrich snubbed Chris Wallace and Fox News Sunday during his media blitz prior to South Carolina.

yeah but if not for Fox News' resident head shrink we might think Newt was simply a sociopathic pussyhound.


/thanks Stephen

World' smallest violin ...

something something something thunderous applause

d_lebowski: msnbc does lay it on pretty thick sometimes

You must have seen Maddow open last night's show in a space suit on a lunar (green-screen) background.

She even drank some Tang. Take that, Newt!

d_lebowski: colon_pow: fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.

The truth has a liberal bias.

\msnbc does lay it on pretty thick sometimes
\\still not as bad as faux news

so when rachel, ed and the reverend go on and on, it's not as bad as o'reilly, hannity and greta and the supposed hatred they spew? im thinking it's because you're on the opposite team and your little feelings are easily hurt.

that's what i think.

IoSaturnalia: d_lebowski: msnbc does lay it on pretty thick sometimes

You must have seen Maddow open last night's show in a space suit on a lunar (green-screen) background.

She even drank some Tang. Take that, Newt!

Personally, I like it when I can tell she's having fun. That was a rather enjoyable bit even if it was a little over the top.

colon_pow: d_lebowski: colon_pow: fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.

The truth has a liberal bias.

\msnbc does lay it on pretty thick sometimes
\\still not as bad as faux news

so when rachel, ed and the reverend go on and on, it's not as bad as o'reilly, hannity and greta and the supposed hatred they spew? im thinking it's because you're on the opposite team and your little feelings are easily hurt.

that's what i think.



Quit lying. Everybody knows you don't think before posting.

colon_pow: fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.


Even if this is true, MSNBC has nowhere near the reach into the party that Fox does. Even the hardest core freeper would have to admit that.

Que surpriso.

colon_pow: o'reilly, hannity and greta and the supposed hatred they spew?

You really don't see it?

Hobodeluxe: if not for Fox News' resident head shrink we might think Newt was simply a sociopathic pussyhound.



I don't know about that, his head still looks pretty massive to me..

colon_pow: d_lebowski: colon_pow: fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.

The truth has a liberal bias.

\msnbc does lay it on pretty thick sometimes
\\still not as bad as faux news

so when rachel, ed and the reverend go on and on, it's not as bad as o'reilly, hannity and greta and the supposed hatred they spew? im thinking it's because you're on the opposite team and your little feelings are easily hurt.

that's what i think.

2 key differences from my point of view, and maybe you can cite where I am mistaken:

1. With at least Rachel, and often Ed, there is a lot of data and verifiable facts that go into the opinions. These are not just gut feelings or actions projected onto people, but opinions based on what someone actually did versus what reality reflects. Exception, I will grant is Al, who I can't watch because of the made up words and total glossing over of contrary evidence.

2. The choice of causes. I don't just mean this in a liberal v. conservative sense, but in a humanitarian approach. Every cause I've seen a Fox pundit take up has been oppressive and generally mean-spirited: demeaning the president as being foreign/socialist/anti-christ like, declaring opposition to the Iraq war treasonous, agitating for a mosque being built in NYC, etc.

Th causes I have seen taken up by MSNBC pundits: asking PolitFact to stop using the word fact if they inject bias, getting children needing school desks the equipment they need for proper classrooms, supporting voting rights, supporting schools being taken over by an unelected emergency manager, etc.

Are there cases where each side has an outlier? Sure. But the overall tone I find different and one is much more constructive to society. But then again I am a fan of constructive approaches versus destructive...

Great article! Only thing missing is a mention of Clear Channel, which has been all in with Fox/GOP,and is owned by Mitt Romney, who owns something north of 30%
p.s. They also crushed all the old alterno musical talent entrepreneurial system that gave us everything from Elvis to Dylan, Niel Young, Stones to Tom Petty and Tom Waits to someone like Brandy Carlisle that , in hindsight was epic. fark!

Hobodeluxe: MFAWG: I'm not so sure that dynamic holds as true now as it did in 2008 or 2010. Gingrich snubbed Chris Wallace and Fox News Sunday during his media blitz prior to South Carolina.

yeah but if not for Fox News' resident head shrink we might think Newt was simply a sociopathic pussyhound.


/thanks Stephen

Um. What do we think he is then?

colon_pow: d_lebowski: colon_pow: fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.

The truth has a liberal bias.

\msnbc does lay it on pretty thick sometimes
\\still not as bad as faux news

so when rachel, ed and the reverend go on and on, it's not as bad as o'reilly, hannity and greta and the supposed hatred they spew? im thinking it's because you're on the opposite team and your little feelings are easily hurt.

that's what i think.

Yeah, but Rachel, Ed, and the rest of the gang aren't inciting violence and aren't bigoted. They only dislike you if you're an idiot, but they don't want you dead.

Also, the Dems aren't after my uterus or my bedroom. When the GOP knocks that crap off, then maybe I'll consider voting for them.

I can't tell where one ends and the other begins.

Peki: colon_pow: d_lebowski: colon_pow: fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.

The truth has a liberal bias.

\msnbc does lay it on pretty thick sometimes
\\still not as bad as faux news

so when rachel, ed and the reverend go on and on, it's not as bad as o'reilly, hannity and greta and the supposed hatred they spew? im thinking it's because you're on the opposite team and your little feelings are easily hurt.

that's what i think.

Yeah, but Rachel, Ed, and the rest of the gang aren't inciting violence and aren't bigoted. They only dislike you if you're an idiot, but they don't want you dead.

Also, the Dems aren't after my uterus or my bedroom. When the GOP knocks that crap off, then maybe I'll consider voting for them.

Yeah but the Dem-o-rats are after your lightbulbs.

Won't someone think of the lightbulbs?!?!?!

I, for one, welcome the GOP's new overlords.

nevirus: colon_pow: o'reilly, hannity and greta and the supposed hatred they spew?

You really don't see it?

really, i don't. i'll admit that hannity can be a bit over the top at times, but he's usually got a democrat on his great great american panel. and greta? she don't hate no one. o'reilly? he's just lookin out for us.

but rachel, ed and the rev, to me, it seems that it's much more than just politics. they're haters.
seems to me...

Wow, I totally never ever expected that to happen. 100% shocked. SHOCKED! I say.

Peki: colon_pow: d_lebowski: colon_pow: fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.

The truth has a liberal bias.

\msnbc does lay it on pretty thick sometimes
\\still not as bad as faux news

so when rachel, ed and the reverend go on and on, it's not as bad as o'reilly, hannity and greta and the supposed hatred they spew? im thinking it's because you're on the opposite team and your little feelings are easily hurt.

that's what i think.

Yeah, but Rachel, Ed, and the rest of the gang aren't inciting violence and aren't bigoted. They only dislike you if you're an idiot, but they don't want you dead.

Also, the Dems aren't after my uterus or my bedroom. When the GOP knocks that crap off, then maybe I'll consider voting for them.

sounds to me like you are conflating some things you might have heard about some right wing extremests, and imagining that's what's going on at fox all day every day.
do you even watch foxnews?

Peki: Yeah, but Rachel, Ed, and the rest of the gang aren't inciting violence and aren't bigoted. They only dislike you if you're an idiot, but they don't want you dead.

Also, the Dems aren't after my uterus or my bedroom. When the GOP knocks that crap off, then maybe I'll consider voting for them.

Yeah, that's a lot more succinct. And I would put other people's uteri in my case.

colon_pow: d_lebowski: colon_pow: fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.

The truth has a liberal bias.

\msnbc does lay it on pretty thick sometimes
\\still not as bad as faux news

so when rachel, ed and the reverend go on and on, it's not as bad as o'reilly, hannity and greta and the supposed hatred they spew? im thinking it's because you're on the opposite team and your little feelings are easily hurt.

that's what i think.


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WTF, is the [Obvious] tag on vaca.....oh.

Never mind.

colon_pow: sounds to me like you are conflating some things you might have heard about some right wing extremests,

I don't think you're paying attention to what the Republicans are doing:

Miscarriage a capital crime? (new window)

colon_pow: Peki:

Also, the Dems aren't after my uterus or my bedroom. When the GOP knocks that crap off, then maybe I'll consider voting for them.

sounds to me like you are conflating some things you might have heard about some right wing extremests, and imagining that's what's going on at fox all day every day.
do you even watch foxnews?

Of course not, nobody on Fox News would never, ever comment on something personal like abortion or gay marriage or sex at all

colon_pow: nevirus: colon_pow: o'reilly, hannity and greta and the supposed hatred they spew?

You really don't see it?

really, i don't. i'll admit that hannity can be a bit over the top at times, but he's usually got a democrat on his great great american panel. and greta? she don't hate no one. o'reilly? he's just lookin out for us.

but rachel, ed and the rev, to me, it seems that it's much more than just politics. they're haters.
seems to me...

I can't speak for msnbc or greta, but I can tell you the stuff I've seen from Hannity and O'Reilly seemed very hateful. I've seen O'Reilly shout down his guests and call people "scum" and "pinheads." Both O'Reilly and Hannity seem perpetuate the nonsense that Obama and "liberals" are attempting to purposefully destroy the country. Is that not a hateful message?

/is greta the one who looks like she's grimacing even when she's smiling?

Did Fox get higher ratings when Obama took office? I'm guessing they did. It would probably make more sense for them to divide the Republicans and keep railing against the coming Muslimarxist Apocalypse during a second Obama term.

That gold ain't gonna sell itself ya know.

colon_pow: d_lebowski: colon_pow: fta
That's because Fox News isn't simply offering a rightward take on the day's events, or innocently providing Republican-friendly commentary, of course. It's leading an exhausting, day-in, day-out attack campaign against Obama, Democrats and all their liberal allies. (Real or imagined.) Its relentless, paranoid crusade falls well outside the mainstream of American politics, which is why the Republican primary season, so proudly sponsored by Fox News, is shaping up to be such an embarrassment.

author sounds like a typical farker. lots of wild charges.
oh well, this crap sells, to liberals.

oh, and msnbc doesn't attack republicans every day and every night.

The truth has a liberal bias.

\msnbc does lay it on pretty thick sometimes
\\still not as bad as faux news

so when rachel, ed and the reverend go on and on, it's not as bad as o'reilly, hannity and greta and the supposed hatred they spew? im thinking it's because you're on the opposite team and your little feelings are easily hurt.

that's what i think.

No. The thing is, they don't blatantly lie like the talent at Faux News. But feel free to continue making assumptions about me.

\predicting you will sink to name calling next

I still have to hand it to Fox News Channel for delivering the highest quality slow motion crash test stock footage I have ever seen.